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Rivvon August 14th, 2016 9:17 AM

"This fall, it all comes together in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, except we're not gonna include the biggest addition to the series since the conception of the series itself!"
That is legit what I think of every time someone says Mega Evolutions won't be in SM at all.

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9367502)
Understandable, but the games follow their own "universe", so to speak, they don't follow the anime nor do they follow the manga; they're all completely separate entities which is why this kinda annoys me.

Not to mention the manga in question, RéBurst, is separate from the famous "Pokémon Special (Adventures)" manga (which is what most people think of when they hear "Pokémon manga"). And it's a gen 5-only manga, at that...

Migit78 August 14th, 2016 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9367502)
Understandable, but the games follow their own "universe", so to speak, they don't follow the anime nor do they follow the manga; they're all completely separate entities which is why this kinda annoys me.

Not to mention the manga in question, RéBurst, is separate from the famous "Pokémon Special (Adventures)" manga (which is what most people think of when they hear "Pokémon manga"). And it's a gen 5-only manga, at that...[/QUOTE]

Just wondering, theres been no actual confirmation of Ash-Greninja in Sun and Moon yet has there? Unless I missed it

Hikamaru August 14th, 2016 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Migit78 (Post 9368240)
Just wondering, theres been no actual confirmation of Ash-Greninja in Sun and Moon yet has there? Unless I missed it

Nothing confirmed officially regarding this as of this stage, but there has been a leak floating around that mentions a possibility of Ash Greninja being present in the game.

Tsutarja August 14th, 2016 9:02 PM

As long as the game mechanic of Mega Evolution is not removed, I would be fine without having no new Megas for the time being.

Adam Levine August 14th, 2016 9:12 PM

We need more Alola Forms, but with other Pokémon from other Generations.

For y'all who're complaining about no Mega Evolutions, do you seriously want to travel the entire region just to find a bunch of random stones just so you can temporarily power up your Pokémon in battle? That's why we don't need more Mega Evolutions. So we won't have to suffer the hassle of trying to find all the stones. Yeah, there's Pokémon Bank, but...

MegaKuriboh August 14th, 2016 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Everyday Ghost (Post 9368664)
We need more Alola Forms, but with other Pokémon from other Generations.

For y'all who're complaining about no Mega Evolutions, do you seriously want to travel the entire region just to find a bunch of random stones just so you can temporarily power up your Pokémon in battle? That's why we don't need more Mega Evolutions. So we won't have to suffer the hassle of trying to find all the stones. Yeah, there's Pokémon Bank, but...

Mega Evolutions make many Pokemon that were previously useless in competitive battles (Mawile, Kangaskan, Pinsir, Beedrill, heck even Charizard) very strong and great Pokemon. So yes, I want Megas. Maybe they can change it to be one stone, but still, I want it back in some shape or form (just nerf MRayquaza and MKangaskan)

PlanetNamek August 15th, 2016 8:03 AM

I think and hope there will be a few Mega Evolutions. Not too many though, I think If we got around 10, that would be perfect!

Rivvon August 15th, 2016 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Everyday Ghost (Post 9368664)
We need more Alola Forms, but with other Pokémon from other Generations.

For y'all who're complaining about no Mega Evolutions, do you seriously want to travel the entire region just to find a bunch of random stones just so you can temporarily power up your Pokémon in battle? That's why we don't need more Mega Evolutions. So we won't have to suffer the hassle of trying to find all the stones. Yeah, there's Pokémon Bank, but...

Do I seriously want to travel the entire region ...? Yes. That temporary power-up has made some of my favorite Pokémon go from complete competitive jokes to absolute powerhouses--Lopunny, Swampert, Mawile!! And they look awesome, too! And they have the added benefit of looking and feeling like they shouldn't have just been a new Pokémon instead.

So what if you have to find a stone? The Pokémon series naturally encourages exploration anyways with hidden goodies hiding around every corner--and with everyone so excited about Alola in general, why wouldn't you want to explore every inch of the region anyways? Finding the Mega Stones is just an added bonus!

And I'd rather have a stone involved so that they don't become an overpowered mess like Mega Rayquaza............

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Originally Posted by PlanetNamek (Post 9369000)
I think and hope there will be a few Mega Evolutions. Not too many though, I think If we got around 10, that would be perfect!

Depending on the number of Alola forms we get, I also think around 10 new Megas would be perfect!

Hikamaru August 15th, 2016 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9369180)
I think, if we're not getting an announcement of any Mega-Evolutions by the time Worlds is over, then it'll probably be safe to assume that we're only either getting a few Megas or none at all between then and when the games release.

I personally think the same, although I'm betting more on no new Megas since it's appearing the mechanic will be taking a backseat this generation. We'll wait and see what gets revealed over the weekend I guess.

blue August 16th, 2016 4:00 AM

Revealing more Mega evolutions would take the Alolan forms out of the spotlight which seem to be the main focus of S/M. It would be wise for them to reveal them just before the release or once all the Alolan forms have been revealed.

KorpiklaaniVodka August 16th, 2016 6:49 AM

I hope Mega Evolutions stay, BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, please don't add any more. Just go on with Alolan Formes.

We have enough mega evolutions. Concepts like Alolan Formes and the Z-Move are way cooler.

Ducolamia August 16th, 2016 9:40 AM

To be honest, I don't mind if Mega Evolutions stay, but unless they have severe handicaps or are post-game they suck out the fun of gameplay for me. Let me explain, sure, in competitive battling it helps a lot( since Hyper Training is introduced I can finally actually try competitive battling),but the main problem I had with them from the start was that they are SOOOOOO unbalanced. Taking out the fact that the AI in XY was a 12/225( People actually checked this) and that Junichi Masuda made the game easier on purpose for smartphone kids( I'm not joking when I state this. Just look up the interview) other than some important trainers like the champion or Korrina, NO ONE ELSE USES MEGAS IN-GAME. Like, when I use them, it's fun...for a while...but I just got bored with them afterwards as I just steamrolled through everything. Wouldn't it be cool if in late game you found a youngster with Mega Pidgeot? It would be amazing and actually set a challenge against your Mega! In ORAS/XY nothing stopped you from having a full team with Megastones. Yeah you could only use them once per battle, but if you know what you're doing it's pretty freaking easy to steamroll through everything. Plus you can switch and STILL BE IN the Mega form. It's insane.

I get it, it helps pokemon that were garbage/meh-ish to actual become better, but they need to balance it somehow. As much as I loved to use them, they need some more handicaps.( Like one Mega stone on ONE Pokemon for battle. That's it. Or if not, just make it post-game). I know some people might be turned off by my idea, but damn Megas are way too OP and unfair to some pokemon who are popular coughMewtwocough. I'm actually pretty glad Alola forms exist given that they actually give Pokemon that need it a PERMANENT change to their typing and stats than having it be temporary.

Rivvon August 16th, 2016 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9370034)
Revealing more Mega evolutions would take the Alolan forms out of the spotlight which seem to be the main focus of S/M. It would be wise for them to reveal them just before the release or once all the Alolan forms have been revealed.

While I wouldn't be against them not revealing any new Megas until closer to the games' release, or even leaving them completely unrevealed, I'd rather there be some Alola forms not shown prior to launch. Revealing certain numbers is understandable because it helps people decide if they want the game or not (and TPC can start producing products of them earlier) but I really enjoy finding some for myself in-game. I know I'm not the only one.

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Originally Posted by Ducolamia (Post 9370290)
To be honest, I don't mind if Mega Evolutions stay, but unless they have severe handicaps or are post-game they suck out the fun of gameplay for me. Let me explain, sure, in competitive battling it helps a lot( since Hyper Training is introduced I can finally actually try competitive battling),but the main problem I had with them from the start was that they are SOOOOOO unbalanced. Taking out the fact that the AI in XY was a 12/225( People actually checked this) and that Junichi Masuda made the game easier on purpose for smartphone kids( I'm not joking when I state this. Just look up the interview) other than some important trainers like the champion or Korrina, NO ONE ELSE USES MEGAS IN-GAME. Like, when I use them, it's fun...for a while...but I just got bored with them afterwards as I just steamrolled through everything. Wouldn't it be cool if in late game you found a youngster with Mega Pidgeot? It would be amazing and actually set a challenge against your Mega! In ORAS/XY nothing stopped you from having a full team with Megastones. Yeah you could only use them once per battle, but if you know what you're doing it's pretty freaking easy to steamroll through everything. Plus you can switch and STILL BE IN the Mega form. It's insane.

I get it, it helps pokemon that were garbage/meh-ish to actual become better, but they need to balance it somehow. As much as I loved to use them, they need some more handicaps.( Like one Mega stone on ONE Pokemon for battle. That's it. Or if not, just make it post-game). I know some people might be turned off by my idea, but damn Megas are way too OP and unfair to some pokemon who are popular coughMewtwocough. I'm actually pretty glad Alola forms exist given that they actually give Pokemon that need it a PERMANENT change to their typing and stats than having it be temporary.

This is way more a problem with the main story difficulty getting easier and easier rather than a problem with Megas themselves. There were a ton of missed opportunities with Megas in XY, such as the double battle against the two scientists who used Houndoom and Manectric--that's just asking for a Mega Evolution battle, I mean come on! And even ORAS missed some good opportunities for this too, like giving appropriate Megas to the Elite Four. But again, it's more a problem with the overall difficulty of the game; I didn't use any Mega whatsoever the first time I played through X and it was still absurdly easy.

That being said I do think keeping the mechanic confined to the post-game would not only help prevent powering through the main story as you said, but also give the player some incentive to give another pass through the region and act as at least some sort of post-game feature, even if it's minor compared to post-games of old.

Ducolamia August 16th, 2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9370410)
I think it's very interesting to note that in ORAS, the Elite Four did have megas....

... after you rematched them. .__.

That was such bullshit. They could've made the new Elite Four an actual challenge like Cynthia but they didn't CoughStupidsmartphonekidsCough Or they could have at least had some variety. If Mega Absol is a thing why not let Sydney switch it up with a Mega Houndoom or Sharpedo once in a while? I hope Sun and Moon has some enjoyment factor with it's Mega's or else I'm really gonna be pissed.

P.S. Mega Flygon please? Or at least an Alolan Flygon so it gets a boost? Please?

Hikamaru August 16th, 2016 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9370393)
This is way more a problem with the main story difficulty getting easier and easier rather than a problem with Megas themselves. There were a ton of missed opportunities with Megas in XY, such as the double battle against the two scientists who used Houndoom and Manectric--that's just asking for a Mega Evolution battle, I mean come on! And even ORAS missed some good opportunities for this too, like giving appropriate Megas to the Elite Four. But again, it's more a problem with the overall difficulty of the game; I didn't use any Mega whatsoever the first time I played through X and it was still absurdly easy.

That being said I do think keeping the mechanic confined to the post-game would not only help prevent powering through the main story as you said, but also give the player some incentive to give another pass through the region and act as at least some sort of post-game feature, even if it's minor compared to post-games of old.

OR/AS had the Elite Four use Mega Evolution but that was only in the rematch against them.

But like you said, it's mainly because the storyline is getting easier with every new game. Kids these days are more likely to pick up a smartphone than a 3DS (because you know, mobile gaming popularity) so they may not know how the main Pokemon games work, and that's why we have things like catching tutorials that are being forced at the start in every game, and with the new battle interface now having effectiveness indicators on your move selection screen it shows that Sun & Moon are being even more newcomer-friendly. It's due to keeping the main story easy for newcomers that we didn't see many NPCs use Mega Evolution in 6th Gen.

I don't mind if Mega Evolution is kept to the postgame since the mechanic is not getting focused anymore but at least give some incentive to want to complete the main story, like you said.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2016 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Your Everyday Ghost (Post 9368664)

For y'all who're complaining about no Mega Evolutions, do you seriously want to travel the entire region just to find a bunch of random stones just so you can temporarily power up your Pokémon in battle?

yes :p
Alola forms aren't a major stat boost, they just change the type AFAIK.

Hikamaru August 16th, 2016 4:11 PM

I think Alola Forms will get stat changes, since Alolan Sandshrew and Sandslash's bio mentioned they did get slower with their new form.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2016 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9370637)
I think Alola Forms will get stat changes, since Alolan Sandshrew and Sandslash's bio mentioned they did get slower with their new form.

I think they get stat changes, but their BST doesn't change.

Hikamaru August 16th, 2016 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CUTIEFLY!!! (Post 9370682)
I think they get stat changes, but their BST doesn't change.

That's likely what I expect - same BST but stats distributed differently.

LilyGardy August 17th, 2016 12:33 PM

I liked Mega Evolution last Gen but the ones who got them was odd although I like how it changed some neutral looking Shinies. (Although I may be biased as I have a Shiny Female Garchomp)

Whilst I like most of the Alohan forms I'd like to see Dragonnite get something this Gen after being overlooked last Gen. Either a Mega Evolution or an Alohan form (Maybe Dragon/Fairy) would be good.

The_Awesome_Pikachu August 26th, 2016 1:48 AM

I think Alolan forms will be in story line and megas will be Post game.

thedarkdragon11 August 27th, 2016 4:24 PM

I hope to see more MEs and form/es like Primal Reversion... Though I don't expect more than 20 overall...

shadowmoon522 August 27th, 2016 5:38 PM

i want mega rayquazas dragon accent to be altered into a z move if mega evolution do come back

Rivvon August 27th, 2016 5:59 PM

That... may actually make it less OP. Because Rayquaza would have to hold the Flying-Type Z-Gem thing in order to use it. Whereas before it was just a tutor move and Rayquaza could hold any Item it wants... That's really interesting. I definitely wouldn't be against that.

But then it would heavily imply some sort of connection between Z-Moves and Mega Evolution. Not that that's a bad thing, but there'd have to be some lore to go along with that.

shadowmoon522 August 27th, 2016 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9384740)
I can't tell if that would make it more or less broken than it is.

this:
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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9384765)
That... may actually make it less OP. Because Rayquaza would have to hold the Flying-Type Z-Gem thing in order to use it. Whereas before it was just a tutor move and Rayquaza could hold any Item it wants... That's really interesting. I definitely wouldn't be against that.

But then it would heavily imply some sort of connection between Z-Moves and Mega Evolution. Not that that's a bad thing, but there'd have to be some lore to go along with that.

and not only that but it also would be unable to use a z move while mega evolved. it could just be explained with the same thing that explains alola forms: difference in climate.
hmmm makes me wonder how thats gonna effect deoxys as it initially changed form depending upon region due to the differences in climate between hoenn, kanto & orre


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