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Palamon August 19th, 2016 11:53 AM

Are you Still Interested?
 
After the "outrage" yesterday, are you guys still interested in the Pokemon anime? Why or why not?

Guest123_x1 August 19th, 2016 12:42 PM

I lost my interest in continuing with the Pokémon anime over a decade ago, and it wasn't because of Ash always losing every single League he entered. The show has become dated at this point with the same things happening all the time.
These days I care mostly about the Original Series (and of course, unlike some people, I know Misty is never going to return, as much as I liked her as a character).

Hikamaru August 19th, 2016 1:57 PM

I know I'm soured over Alain becoming Kalos League Champion (especially since the episode title trolled us) but I'm not giving up on the anime because I am still intrigued to see how Team Flare and the Alola region saga will go.

Blaster1 August 19th, 2016 2:04 PM

I'm still interested. I like to see Ash's journey and the Pokémon he catches.

Plus this saga will be different since GYMs will not exist.

Hikamaru August 19th, 2016 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster1 (Post 9374369)
I'm still interested. I like to see Ash's journey and the Pokémon he catches.

Plus this saga will be different since GYMs will not exist.

You are right, since Alola has been giving me tons of Orange Islands vibes and that makes me exited to see how they'll handle Ash's journey in the region since Alola has been established to have a very different culture than other regions as shown with the Island Challenges shown to be a likely substitute for Gyms.

Frozocrone August 20th, 2016 2:25 AM

Yeah, I'm still interested. What with 'Team Flare rigged the league' rumours and stuff. I'm looking forward to the Team Flare arc and the further developments the writers have planned for the anime.

I'm not going to stop watching a series because of one episode that I didn't like. Or else I would never finish a season of any TV series. Take the highs with the lows I say.

weedle_mchairybug August 20th, 2016 2:38 AM

The only thing even giving me any potential interest in the Anime right now is the prospect of Misty returning (which is solely due to a couple of hints at their doing so, namely the Misty and Ash special episode of Team Rocket radio, Mayumi Iizuka's tweet, the fact that they released Misty's GEM Series figure a year earlier than it was supposed to [ie, during the 20th anniversary of the games, not the 20th anniversary of the anime], and overall some elements of Alola that doesn't seem to fit well UNLESS you take into account Misty returning). Beyond that, it's pretty much been a stinker especially now after they wasted a potential Ash victory when they had the perfect opportunity to do so since there's no gyms. And I've lost much interest in returning after I learned Misty was removed, that they replaced her with a Hina stereotype, that they had Ash beat Gym Leaders the way he would Team Rocket in Hoenn, that Ash didn't even ADVANCE in his goal in Hoenn, and the closest he has to a real achievement, the Battle Frontier, was later treated as a joke and May's goal was filler material at best especially when Dawn reused May's goal. And don't get me started on the similar results for Sinnoh (even IF Ash did at least increase in rank), or the mess that was Best Wishes, or their cramming down Amourshipping down our throats despite Ash having zero romantic interest in Serena.

Blaster1 August 20th, 2016 4:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9374425)
You are right, since Alola has been giving me tons of Orange Islands vibes and that makes me exited to see how they'll handle Ash's journey in the region since Alola has been established to have a very different culture than other regions as shown with the Island Challenges shown to be a likely substitute for Gyms.

So true, I really believe that it will be a different experience than the other series something that hat series was needing.

weedle_mchairybug August 20th, 2016 4:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaster1 (Post 9375004)
So true, I really believe that it will be a different experience than the other series something that hat series was needing.

They're still going to need Ash to actually pursue his Greatest Pokémon Master goal, and quite honestly, they really should have had Ash win Kalos this time around (note that I didn't say become Champion, as he still needs to fight the Elite 4 and beat them as well as the reigning champion before he can truly do so), at least THAT would leave some degree of closure to tide us over until Generation VIII. And since it was heavily reinforced that he needs to fight in gym battles and participate in Leagues for him to even become a Pokémon Master (and that was before DP revealed he needs to beat the Elite 4 and Champion to come much closer to achieving it), the fact that they had him lose Kalos was just stupid. A shakeup on goals will mean nothing if he didn't even win a league beforehand.

Blaster1 August 20th, 2016 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 9375022)
They're still going to need Ash to actually pursue his Greatest Pokémon Master goal, and quite honestly, they really should have had Ash win Kalos this time around (note that I didn't say become Champion, as he still needs to fight the Elite 4 and beat them as well as the reigning champion before he can truly do so), at least THAT would leave some degree of closure to tide us over until Generation VIII. And since it was heavily reinforced that he needs to fight in gym battles and participate in Leagues for him to even become a Pokémon Master (and that was before DP revealed he needs to beat the Elite 4 and Champion to come much closer to achieving it), the fact that they had him lose Kalos was just stupid. A shakeup on goals will mean nothing if he didn't even win a league beforehand.

I agree with you that winning the League doesn't mean his journey ends. I really would like to see him battling the Elite Four in official battles. It would so much raise the ratings if he does unfortunately the Anime Staff don't like that idea for some reason.

AliceBlaze August 20th, 2016 8:43 AM

I'm still interested. The Team Flare arc look interesting and Gen 6 will be coming to an end when Sun/Moon comes out in a few months so I might as well stick around to see how this saga ends. Because of how much I enjoyed the whole XY series so far, I feel that the series finale will make me as emotional as the finales of the Original Series and DP did.

jjc927 August 21st, 2016 3:58 PM

I would definitely watch if Ash wins a league or if they do something special for the 20th anniversary (bringing back Brock and Misty, Ash reuniting with Gen 1 Pokemon he released or gave to someone else, etc).

クリスタル August 22nd, 2016 1:59 PM

I'm still interested, but in a salty sarcastic way as a meta observer.

What I'm interested about the Pokemon Anime right now, is how will the staff going to react to the outrage of its fandom, are they going to redeem the result by making any changes to the remaining episodes, how they will face the public and their fans after this failure. And for the next SM saga, are they going to again "fix their mistake" just like how it ran out during beginning of BW, what any major changes they will bring to the series, how they will try their best to reconstruct the positive image of Pokemon Anime as like it was in the past.

Or looking at it from schadenfreude POV, it is also interesting in seeing how the staff didn't do anything to redeem the damaged reputation of this show, so fans are getting further enraged, vow to boycott the show, and then the desperate staffs especially the director board then "trying their best" in attracting viewership by throwing in further fan-service tropes (just unfortunately not thinking of improving its basic foundational screen-writing quality and overall construction), turning Pokemon Anime into otaku anime like those to be aired in midnight hour, where such desperate emergency treatment is obviously backfired, ruining the Pokemon Anime where it had to be call for permanent halt, Pokemon Anime then finished its 20 years history on sour note. Congratulation and The End. (^w^)

TheLegendaryGuy August 22nd, 2016 9:41 PM

I am never gonna lose interest in pokemon anime. Although that goddamn loss did get me super salty, but still.. its Ash. The guy who inspires me to keep going on and on.. forever, no matter what. And, I am really excited about Alola, with new pokés, new adventures, new friends and companions and everything. So everybody, its a request to all of you if you care to read this post(i know most of you don't), be positive and think about the future and don't just keep whinning about that loss.

donavannj August 23rd, 2016 8:33 AM

I haven't even made it to the point that is being referenced in the OP, but I'm not really watching to watch Ash. I'm watching to see the Pokémon and the characters from the games get animated and have their personalities fleshed out. I'm not terribly concerned with how Ash does. I'll probably keep watching as long as it keeps airing.

weedle_mchairybug August 23rd, 2016 8:55 AM

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Originally Posted by donavannj (Post 9378921)
I haven't even made it to the point that is being referenced in the OP, but I'm not really watching to watch Ash. I'm watching to see the Pokémon and the characters from the games get animated and have their personalities fleshed out. I'm not terribly concerned with how Ash does. I'll probably keep watching as long as it keeps airing.

Maybe, but the fact is that Ash still has an unfulfilled goal, a goal that unlike the prior times didn't even NEED to be unfulfilled by the end of the current series (at least the prior series had the excuse of there being new gyms/new Pokémon Leagues for the next generation. This didn't). I could care less about Ash himself, but when they give character a goal, they are obliged to make SURE said character accomplishes said goal. Maybe if they actually had Ash actually WIN the league yet lose to an Elite 4 member, it would work, but having him be runner-up? I don't care if he DID improve over Sinnoh and especially redeemed himself regarding Unova, not having him win Kalos was a mistake ESPECIALLY when Alola doesn't even HAVE Gyms or a League for him to participate in.

And I suspect after this bit, Pokémon the anime's probably going to have a full year at best, barely long enough for it to last the 20th Anniversary.

And for the record, that's EXACTLY my issue with their removing Misty as well, even more than the fact that they replaced her with Hinas.

Sir Codin August 23rd, 2016 9:15 AM

I'm going to parrot what someone wrote on the TV Tropes Dethroning Moment of Suck page for the anime:

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What we just saw is the ignoble END of any reason to watch the anime.
Seriously, read it. It really goes into depth about why what the writers just did was a monumentally dumbfuck idea:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DethroningMoment/PokemonAnime

donavannj August 23rd, 2016 9:26 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 9378937)
Maybe, but the fact is that Ash still has an unfulfilled goal, a goal that unlike the prior times didn't even NEED to be unfulfilled by the end of the current series (at least the prior series had the excuse of there being new gyms/new Pokémon Leagues for the next generation. This didn't). I could care less about Ash himself, but when they give character a goal, they are obliged to make SURE said character accomplishes said goal. Maybe if they actually had Ash actually WIN the league yet lose to an Elite 4 member, it would work, but having him be runner-up? I don't care if he DID improve over Sinnoh and especially redeemed himself regarding Unova, not having him win Kalos was a mistake ESPECIALLY when Alola doesn't even HAVE Gyms or a League for him to participate in.

And I suspect after this bit, Pokémon the anime's probably going to have a full year at best, barely long enough for it to last the 20th Anniversary.

And for the record, that's EXACTLY my issue with their removing Misty as well, even more than the fact that they replaced her with Hinas.

Didn't I just say that I'm not really concerned about how Ash does, though, as he's not why I watch? Sure, better writing for Ash makes the show better overall since he's the main character, but, again, he's really not why I keep watching the anime.

weedle_mchairybug August 23rd, 2016 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by donavannj (Post 9378973)
Didn't I just say that I'm not really concerned about how Ash does, though, as he's not why I watch? Sure, better writing for Ash makes the show better overall since he's the main character, but, again, he's really not why I keep watching the anime.

Yeah, you did, but the fact of the matter is, Ash's goal still forms the crux of the various series whether you care or not, and it was an exceptionally stupid idea to have Ash lose in XY. And since CarCharOdin mentioned the Dethroning Moment of Suck entry, it also mentions the implications that thanks to the idiocy of how the Kalos League was handled, they can't even GIVE Ash a win now without it looking like a pity win.

Palamon August 23rd, 2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by donavannj (Post 9378921)
I haven't even made it to the point that is being referenced in the OP, but I'm not really watching to watch Ash. I'm watching to see the Pokémon and the characters from the games get animated and have their personalities fleshed out. I'm not terribly concerned with how Ash does. I'll probably keep watching as long as it keeps airing.

Spoiler:
Ash losing the Pokemon League.


I'm still interested. As long as the anime keeps running, I'm going to keep up with spoilers, as well as the English dub releases. I'm really excited to see how Sun/Moon will turn out for the anime, etc. I'm not stopping just because Ash lost a league, it happens every time, anyway.

Desert Stream~ August 23rd, 2016 12:56 PM

Never have been, probably never will be :p I watch episodes here and there, but it's about one a month.

weedle_mchairybug August 23rd, 2016 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Musique (Post 9379215)
Spoiler:
Ash losing the Pokemon League.


I'm still interested. As long as the anime keeps running, I'm going to keep up with spoilers, as well as the English dub releases. I'm really excited to see how Sun/Moon will turn out for the anime, etc. I'm not stopping just because Ash lost a league, it happens every time, anyway.

What exactly will you be watching with the Sun and Moon anime? The Sun and Moon games nixed the Pokémon Gym concept and the Pokémon Leagues as well, which essentially means Ash is going to be aimless in Alola. As bad as Unova was, at least he HAD a league to challenge during that time, and Gym Leaders to face, Alola doesn't. That just makes the sting that was the results of the Kalos league even worse. At least past regions had a new league to look forward to, this doesn't, reinforcing how Ash's loss in Kalos was just completely pointless.

And like I said, at this rate, probably the only thing right now that will even keep me looking forward to the new series is a potential return for Misty, especially given some hints being dropped such as the GEM series merchandising for Misty, the choice of setting for Generation VII, it being the 20th anniversary of the anime soon, and the like. If the writers screw even THAT up by not having Misty appear at all, I'll just be even more infuriated.

Perriechu August 23rd, 2016 2:12 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 9379272)
What exactly will you be watching with the Sun and Moon anime? The Sun and Moon games nixed the Pokémon Gym concept and the Pokémon Leagues as well, which essentially means Ash is going to be aimless in Alola. As bad as Unova was, at least he HAD a league to challenge during that time, and Gym Leaders to face, Alola doesn't. That just makes the sting that was the results of the Kalos league even worse. At least past regions had a new league to look forward to, this doesn't, reinforcing how Ash's loss in Kalos was just completely pointless.

And like I said, at this rate, probably the only thing right now that will even keep me looking forward to the new series is a potential return for Misty, especially given some hints being dropped such as the GEM series merchandising for Misty, the choice of setting for Generation VII, it being the 20th anniversary of the anime soon, and the like. If the writers screw even THAT up by not having Misty appear at all, I'll just be even more infuriated.

You are literally trashing the Sun/Moon anime before it's even been begun lol. You don't know what they're gonna do so stop bitching about it lmao.

You really need to let the Misty thing go as well. I would LOVE for Misty to return for Alola but she won't. Let's just be realistic about it. If she does then hey, I'll admit I was wrong. But you're really acting as if it's confirmed and that she's definitely coming.

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Anyway. I will always be interested in the anime. I grew up with this show and it's really hard to just "not" watch it. Sure some seasons bore me (Johto/Unova) but I still look in on them, I'm excited for the rest of Kalos and for what Sun/Moon will bring.

weedle_mchairybug August 23rd, 2016 2:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Perriechu (Post 9379360)
You are literally trashing the Sun/Moon anime before it's even been begun lol. You don't know what they're gonna do so stop *****ing about it lmao.

You really need to let the Misty thing go as well. I would LOVE for Misty to return for Alola but she won't. Let's just be realistic about it. If she does then hey, I'll admit I was wrong. But you're really acting as if it's confirmed and that she's definitely coming.

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Anyway. I will always be interested in the anime. I grew up with this show and it's really hard to just "not" watch it. Sure some seasons bore me (Johto/Unova) but I still look in on them, I'm excited for the rest of Kalos and for what Sun/Moon will bring.

When it's made clear that the games are no longer even going to have Gym Battles or Pokémon Leagues, at least for Generation VII, then yes, I have EVERY reason to trash the Sun and Moon anime ESPECIALLY after the disaster that was the Kalos League where Ash lost and doesn't even have the hope of regaining any chances in Alola to achieving his goal since I know that the anime will most likely mirror the games in this respect, based on how they dropped the Pokémon Contests element with narely even a word of their existence come BW and XY. If there are no Gyms, Gym Leaders, or Pokémon Leagues in Alola in the games, how the heck is Ash even supposed to pursue his goal, especially when it's been emphasized that he needs to challenge Gyms, participate in the leagues, and come DP also need to formally fight the Elite 4 and Champion before he can become a Pokémon Master. Heck, I don't even need to watch the upcoming anime to figure that out: Just look at what happened once Black and White dropped Pokémon Contests altogether: It got reflected in the anime by not giving Iris even a slightly similar goal to Pokémon Contests, and even with Serena, they didn't make her a coordinator at all.

As far as Misty, they released GEM series figures of her just a couple of months ago, way too early for the 20th Anniversary of the Anime (which those figurines were clearly geared towards), they specifically chose a region to be based on Hawaii rather than someplace like, say, China, or even the Midwest or Russian, or the African Savannah even, the fact that Alola's set to debut just shortly before the 20th Anniversary of the Anime is to begin, and there's the fact that in one of the Team Rocket Radio specials, they have Ash and Misty saying they will see each other again; and that's not even getting into Misty showcasing an envelope with Misty on it regarding a fan letter. I find it hard to believe with all of that that they AREN'T bringing her back, especially when the games seem to really love Misty's anime characterization (to the extent that with FRLG and HGSS, they actually included various nods to her anime characterization and even modeled her personality after that, something not even Brock got).

Sheep August 23rd, 2016 5:51 PM

weedle_mchairybug, we'd highly appreciate it if you respected other viewpoints. This thread is just about whether people are still interested in the anime; it's not a place for you to harp on others' opinions as if they're wrong or unjustified. Members come here to enjoy discussing the Pokémon anime and you're continuously making that very difficult.

Next offense will be result in a permanent ban from this section so please keep that in mind.


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