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dad October 2nd, 2016 11:28 AM

make PC great again
 
pc veterans, were there any aspects of pokécommunity that you miss such as users, features, the environment, ect.

i'm no veteran but i kinda miss the member encyclopedia. also, i believe there was a chat server that was separate from the battle server.. not sure if that's still around.

starseed galaxy auticorn October 2nd, 2016 11:32 AM

The Crush Thread. Anyone from 2004 would easily remember this thread hands down. 8D

Mobile Tsk October 2nd, 2016 11:46 AM

Shoddy Battle omf

People posting pictures of bloodied legs on Strategies & Movesets

Ps. Build a wall

Alex October 2nd, 2016 1:20 PM

not really. I think this place has only improved tbh. I miss Shiny Gold being in development.

Her October 2nd, 2016 1:23 PM

http://reputationmarketbuilder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/online-reputation.png

Blah October 2nd, 2016 1:35 PM

Honestly, I miss the bigger posting user base, at least in the ROM hacking section. There used to be something new and crazy posted every 10 minutes. I also miss my good friends and veteran users who've moved on from their PC days. I wonder how they are doing now, and wish them all well :)

Aquacorde October 2nd, 2016 1:38 PM

member fanclubs

Ho-Oh October 2nd, 2016 6:52 PM

Pokémon Online PC Server, #thepokecommunity, Other Voting Polls, April Fools 2011, April Fools 2006, Altaria and Typhlosion fanclub, Generation Five Drawoff, The GT of 2011, Unova Springs Back, VIP forum 2008, April Fools 2012, Unova release period 2010-2011, Survivor Get Together version, The Count to Infinity.

So basically PC from 2006-2011 lmao. Good years. I had so much fun. 2011 and 2010 especially was really cool. Unova was born, Get Together's were SO MUCH FUN and the people of the time on IRC etc like with Kip, Vaporeon, Vrai, Kaori, Yoshikkko, Drakow, bobandbill, Opposite Day, Hiroshi Sotomura etc. I can't even remember everyone off the top of my head but that was magical!

2010 Unova existed and everything was crazy and Kaori was amazing and everything was fun.

And 2006 was Simplicity and Sanctuary who I still talk to on FB. BUT I started then. Like the excitement of them... all of us finding our way on PC. People like ~Rene~ and Saba and Jae.

AND THEN.

2008 with Aizuke and just_another_user both of which I'm probably visiting soon. And then Unforgettable who wasn't unforgettable, Went and Kenji.

(Mobile Tsk if you see this post do you still talk to Kenji? :c)

And THE DARES THING with like Klippy and others and I think Pachisou Yutohru was then too who gave me supportership which was like huge to me at the time lmao. And who else... Hiidoran too at some point!

2009 sucked and was literally the worse year of my life thus far so that doesn't count.

So! 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011. All those years on PC were the best :')

I'm forgetting so many people BUT FUN TIMES WERE HAD.

Oh and PC server 2012 because that's where I found Ryan who is Frizy and without then I wouldn't be with him now and I would not be living in this house lol

Mobile Tsk October 2nd, 2016 7:19 PM

That was a shit show

Klippy October 2nd, 2016 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 9434038)
And THE DARES THING with like Klippy and others

What is this? Haha. It sounds familiar, but I have no clue.

Nah October 3rd, 2016 4:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9433786)
member fanclubs

ngl these always sounded like terrible ideas to me

moon October 3rd, 2016 7:41 AM

I liked member encyclopedia tbh. c: it was just never given room to become something better than what it started out as.

Her October 3rd, 2016 11:41 AM

oh boo hoo

Logan October 3rd, 2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by God (Post 9434905)
oh boo hoo

dont worry i miss it too, it was more fun when you were the abusers i guess

Her October 3rd, 2016 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 9434912)
dont worry i miss it too, it was more fun when you were the abusers i guess

i miss being 15

Mr Cat Dog October 3rd, 2016 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9433786)
member fanclubs

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9434456)
ngl these always sounded like terrible ideas to me

Yeah, pretty much. Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains.

Logan October 3rd, 2016 1:10 PM

bring back razor leaf

Sirfetch’d October 3rd, 2016 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 9434967)
bring back razor leaf

This is truly the only thing that would make PC greater

Aquacorde October 3rd, 2016 5:55 PM

to clarify

"member fanclubs /sarcasm"

moon October 3rd, 2016 8:56 PM

We should bring back Mr Cat Do-

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Originally Posted by Mr Cat Dog (Post 9434962)

/falls out of bed
Omfg Jon!!!! :D

Logan October 4th, 2016 4:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Achromatic (Post 9435529)
I agree. He is the fighter of the good fight.

fighter of the nightman

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Hikamaru October 4th, 2016 7:17 AM

I miss the clubs being in their own section. The change now caused them to get buried among everything else.

That's all I can think of for now...

Desinishon October 4th, 2016 7:26 AM

XD I'm no veteran but I love everything like they are in PC c:

( I just posted here because HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA XDDD oh man! hashtag where the hell these awesome signature come from xD )

Sun October 4th, 2016 10:45 AM

Something innovative, something that can gather members, yet nothing repetitive nor time-consuming. But not a one-off event like the annual Get Together OR alternatively, monthly big event hosted by each section.

I'm out of real ideas at the moment, haha.

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9435210)
to clarify

"member fanclubs /sarcasm"

Clubs were great in their era, during their prime time. Nowadays, most clubs just exist to mope around (: Clubs should just stay in their golden days; personally, I would like the trace of clubs to disappear completely.

Nick October 4th, 2016 11:18 AM

Not until Jolene comes back.

She will lead the way to greatness. Until then, we will always be mediocre.

Aquacorde October 4th, 2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sun (Post 9436207)
Clubs were great in their era, during their prime time. Nowadays, most clubs just exist to mope around (: Clubs should just stay in their golden days; personally, I would like the trace of clubs to disappear completely.

nah, nah. not clubs. member fanclubs. that was a whole different ball game

Melody October 5th, 2016 1:32 PM

Sure drama sprouted up occasionally in the old days from some of these and I don't miss the drama from any of these suggestions but they were nice usually when people were behaving and acting nicely so I'd like to see their return in some shape or form.
  • #thepokecommunity - IRC [Currently Served as PC Discord] - When it was lively, active and full of nice and fun people. Not before it started declining and became hostile and eventually empty and devoid of users. Fortunately PC's Discord Server is a nice place that fills this need fairly well.
  • Member Fanclubs - [Supplanted by VMs] - OMG, these were great and amazing hubs back in the days before VMs were a thing. If you were known well enough you had a thread and didn't have much problem keeping one up and going and it was a great way to really get to know people. Even if you're a lurker. Man those were good days. Fortunately the current implementation of VMs does pretty well and users are even able to moderate them and reply to them and use them how they see fit.
  • Reputation - [Currently supplanted by Post Likes] - I actually miss being able to negatively rep people who post poorly and impact the community poorly. Say what you will but I feel like the drama caused by this was grossly overreacted to and overblown.
    That being said; I also think that a reputation system, should it ever be re-implemented;
    • Be strictly points based, and your score should be visible to only you and staff if they're on your profile.
    • Reputation points should not be touted about
    • +/-1 only: Person(s) with lots of reputation should still only have the ability to add or subtract 1 point for any post. Conversely it doesn't matter if your reputation is down in the negatives, you still can affect your 1 point on any post. No scaling; this is strictly an up/down vote style thing.
    • The post comments should be separate from all points positive or negative; if it must be integrated then the comments should always be worth 0 points (neutral) reputation as they are simply feedback.
    • Reputation given to a single post should be visible to staff, and you should see reputation points the post awards on your own posts only.
    If used and implemented correctly, I believe that Reputation would not be a negative thing to have for the community.
  • Other Voting Polls - [Supplanted by Treehouse/Mall/Round Table trio] - God I miss OVP with a passion. It's unfortunate that now you're forced to use the trio mentioned to do poll-type threads.
    While it's nice that The Mall is somewhat serious about it's own topics, and Round Table is great for discussion, Treehouse isn't as serious. So if you want to poll about something that doesn't fit anywhere but Treehouse, you're stuck dealing with the 'shitposters' (no offense to you guys; I'm ok with shitposts when they're done appropriately within context) in there responding to your thread/poll in an un-serious manner. There's a 'Serious' Tag but...really I haven't seen the mods do any hard enforcing of that. I can understand why, but it can really be tough when you don't want sarcastic/satirical responses; but none of the other sections will accept the thread.
  • ThunderDome - [Fortunately Supplanted by Round Table] - For the most part I do enjoy the current implementation we know as the Round Table but it does have a few pain points. Some members, who I will not name, can be rather...Disruptive... to a good discussion topic. Sometimes even normal, regular members will become tilted and quite disruptive. Fortunately this particular aspect of PC's darker past has been well recreated in a more constructive manner that serves the community well. So this is less of a "I miss it!" mention and more of a pat on the back for staff and community for making it possible and doing it better than we did before. Aside from perhaps needing a few extra dedicated mods here I think the Round Table is a good faithful reimagining without the pain points of the past, failed experiment the ThunderDome was.
  • Member Encyclopedia - This was a really neat idea that briefly filled the vacuum left by Member Fanclubs. It made for a nice place where individual members could post and maintain a more detailed sort of biography thread where other members can post questions to them and get to know them a bit better. I would love to see this come back via the Forum Frontier at some point. I feel it didn't really get a fair spin the first time it was tried and that staff expected activity that quite honestly shouldn't have been expected of it. In fact it could easily integrate into Main Street and be a sub-forum of this where established members could run and maintain their own encyclopedia thread and such, and there it would be in a place where new eyeballs could be constantly viewing it and generating traffic that makes it more appealing to have around.

dad October 5th, 2016 2:59 PM

alright, new question.
how do you think these things (IRC, reputation, ect.) would do in PC's current environment if they were to come back?

Sefuree October 5th, 2016 3:00 PM

We need to build a wall

dad October 5th, 2016 3:03 PM

no.

Sefuree October 5th, 2016 3:04 PM

How else are we going to keep the shit posters out?

Aquacorde October 5th, 2016 8:45 PM

i don't see discord as a replacement for irc? just... irc on a dedicated platform? does it not have all the features and more of irc?

Aquacorde October 5th, 2016 9:13 PM

Oh, I suppose. I tend to see it as less... replacing and more like migrating. What the Discord server really is, is what everyone always wanted the IRC to be.

I guess I see a lot of old --> new stuff as less of a "killing off" and more of "shedding skin", you know? We found out what was working and wasn't and modified it to fit the current user preferences etc. Or, server preferences lol in the case of showgroups and that lmao. And what wend, went for a reason. Usually some pretty good ones.

Melody October 5th, 2016 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9437616)
IRC technically hasn't left, but it's just been dead forever so you don't really see it in any of PC's skins or anything like that since Discord/the battle server took over.

Reputation would be an absolute mess, let's be real. No one likes having red pip bars display in their postbit and there would always be a thread pretty often about "why do I have negative rep???". Keep in mind the culture of PC was very different back then so it'd probably be worse now.

Member Encyclopedia was basically Member Fanclubs 2.0. The popular and well-known/well-liked members got the biggest threads. If you aren't either: popular, well-known/liked, good luck with thread survival. If it came back, it'd be the same thing, really.

on the rep I have to disagree; but only if we brought it back the way it was back in the day. If we brought it back now and the worst you could have is 0 points and that point counter was buried in your usercp and no where else I doubt anyone would notice or care what their score was often enough to stir drama.

Nah October 6th, 2016 4:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Melody (Post 9437989)
on the rep I have to disagree; but only if we brought it back the way it was back in the day. If we brought it back now and the worst you could have is 0 points and that point counter was buried in your usercp and no where else I doubt anyone would notice or care what their score was often enough to stir drama.

I agree that a rep system with the changes you described would be better than the old one....but nobody would want it that way. I'd think that people who want a rep system back want it to be publicly visible and not only visible to themselves and staff. It'd be kinda pointless to have it like that really, nevermind that you can kinda tell who're the quality users and who are the crappy ones if you just stick around long enough and observe.

Logan October 6th, 2016 10:30 AM

can't wait for rep to return so i can take my rightful place as pc's king

Melody October 6th, 2016 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9438153)
I agree that a rep system with the changes you described would be better than the old one....but nobody would want it that way. I'd think that people who want a rep system back want it to be publicly visible and not only visible to themselves and staff. It'd be kinda pointless to have it like that really, nevermind that you can kinda tell who're the quality users and who are the crappy ones if you just stick around long enough and observe.

Well honestly the idea is that you get to see the feedback on your own posts. Right there in the postbit. Think of it as an enhancement. Rep doesn't need to be a public ego stroking thing. Doesn't matter if people want it to be it shouldn't have been and it should never be. It can and should be used as a polite feedback mechanism.

Cay October 6th, 2016 1:19 PM

cnc/feedback on posting seems so extra lol. "nice shitpost, really utilized the art of the obscure inside joke right there, and the cat emote was a very nice garnish. 7.6/10 id add a bit more memes but pretty good overall"

Aquacorde October 6th, 2016 7:24 PM

i don't see the point of feedback besides possibly anonymity and honestly if you feel you have to be anonymous about a comment you probably don't really need to make that comment. we have vms/pms for personal in-depth convos about something, we have the ability to reply in the thread (amazing! it's like we're a forum!), we have likes. we have enough ways to give feedback.

Altairis October 6th, 2016 9:39 PM

the trade section used to be a lot bigger, with way more active threads. this was like when i was 10 and maybe... didn't use this account 8) also was because this was dppt era before when rarity was "a shiny Pokemon" and not "a shiny Pokemon with good IVs and nature and egg moves" sooo it was more common to have things to trade

soo maybe I don't miss PC trading but the ease of trading before?

Her October 7th, 2016 1:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Melody;9437533[*
Other Voting Polls - [Supplanted by Treehouse/Mall/Round Table trio] - God I miss OVP with a passion. It's unfortunate that now you're forced to use the trio mentioned to do poll-type threads.
While it's nice that The Mall is somewhat serious about it's own topics, and Round Table is great for discussion, Treehouse isn't as serious. So if you want to poll about something that doesn't fit anywhere but Treehouse, you're stuck dealing with the 'shitposters' (no offense to you guys; I'm ok with shitposts when they're done appropriately within context) in there responding to your thread/poll in an un-serious manner. There's a 'Serious' Tag but...really I haven't seen the mods do any hard enforcing of that. I can understand why, but it can really be tough when you don't want sarcastic/satirical responses; but none of the other sections will accept the thread.

We are discussing ways to make Treehouse pleasurable to all while providing better avenues for all kinds of relevant discussion! marz (McCree? I don't know about that, Alex) and I are looking forward to how we can improve Treehouse in the future, so do not fret. Your concerns are definitely noted. But I find your tone a bit of an insensitive cop-out in regards to the memberbase who post here, regardless of intentions. It just contributes to a perception of the place that I do not find remotely pleasing.

In regards to the threads with the Serious tag, as of writing this there are only three on the front page and two of them are by me. So there's not much to police in the first place, let alone incidents in said topics to police. But if you want to post something of a serious nature, by all means, use the tag provided or come to me and I'll do my best to alleviate concerns - or help in a more direct manner.

Logan October 7th, 2016 1:40 AM

fire user god

Her October 7th, 2016 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 9439236)
fire user god

bite me harold

Logan October 7th, 2016 2:04 AM

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Originally Posted by God (Post 9439246)
bite me harold

that would make pc infinitely better tbh

Her October 7th, 2016 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry (Post 9439248)
that would make pc infinitely better tbh


Lucario October 9th, 2016 3:27 AM

Creative media.

rainbow October 9th, 2016 12:33 PM

It's a shot in the dark, and I doubt anyone remembers it, but I SOOO miss the Nightclub RP thread. That thing was my life and I made so many good friends in it. Was sad to see it die.

Aquacorde October 9th, 2016 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RainbowNebula (Post 9442583)
It's a shot in the dark, and I doubt anyone remembers it, but I SOOO miss the Nightclub RP thread. That thing was my life and I made so many good friends in it. Was sad to see it die.

AHHHH SOMEONE MISSES MY NIGHTCLUB?! ;w; i'm about to be making something relevant in multiverse soon. :D i gave over nightclub thread creation to desi though so go bother them ;)

rainbow October 9th, 2016 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9442602)
AHHHH SOMEONE MISSES MY NIGHTCLUB?!

Yeah! After the nightclub died I pretty much left PC lmao

moon October 10th, 2016 6:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RainbowNebula (Post 9442583)
It's a shot in the dark, and I doubt anyone remembers it, but I SOOO miss the Nightclub RP thread. That thing was my life and I made so many good friends in it. Was sad to see it die.

what was Nightclub? o:

Aquacorde October 10th, 2016 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by adventure (Post 9443608)
what was Nightclub? o:

It was a sort-of RP where you played yourself in a "Nightclub" which.... really progressed from being strictly a nightclub as time went on ahaha because someone would be like "can I add a waterpark?" and we'd be like "yeah sure whatever you're now our waterpark manager". We all had jobs and had like. Organically developed events like zombie sieges caused by our malfunctioning interdimensional portal... flooding due to our waterpark manager being absentee for a while... it was a really fun, really bizarre collaborative world. :)

Desinishon October 10th, 2016 5:44 PM

I'm working on stuff and new mechanics of nightclub. It's just I was little busy but don't worry it'll be up soon. ^ _ ^
Grab your favourite job as soon as it's up xD

moon October 10th, 2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lelouch (Post 9444321)
I'm working on stuff and new mechanics of nightclub. It's just I was little busy but don't worry it'll be up soon. ^ _ ^
Grab your favourite job as soon as it's up xD

If this wasn't in RPT, where was it? d:

Aquacorde October 10th, 2016 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by adventure (Post 9444668)
If this wasn't in RPT, where was it? d:

It was in Other Trivia. It was moved to RPT once, and immediately got closed for being to casual and chatty. It's not a real RP. It doesn't appeal to RPT regulars and sees much more of an audience in Playground.

moon October 10th, 2016 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9444708)
It was in Other Trivia. It was moved to RPT once, and immediately got closed for being to casual and chatty. It's not a real RP. It doesn't appeal to RPT regulars and sees much more of an audience in Playground.

Was it before spring 2015? Because back then, I guess there wasn't a spot for such a casual thing in the Roleplay Theatre - but we changed that! Now it sounds like it would fit well in the main Theatre forum, next to this thread lol http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=363154

If you'd rather keep it in Playground though, I can't stop you. I just want to tear down this image of RPT as something that has to be complicated and strict all the time (:

Desinishon October 10th, 2016 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by adventure (Post 9444719)
Was it before spring 2015? Because back then, I guess there wasn't a spot for such a casual thing in the Roleplay Theatre - but we changed that! Now it sounds like it would fit well in the main Theatre forum, next to this thread lol http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=363154

If you'd rather keep it in Playground though, I can't stop you. I just want to tear down this image of RPT as something that has to be complicated and strict all the time (:

Like Anna stated it was in other trivia. I was just lurking through the old days thread in playground when i found Nightclub . You can see yourself if it's suited for playground or RP theatre. Anna's nightclub was blast but next one didn't got attention of people. :c

moon October 10th, 2016 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lelouch (Post 9444730)
Like Anna stated it was in other trivia. I was just lurking through the old days thread in playground when i found Nightclub . You can see yourself if it's suited for playground or RP theatre. Anna's nightclub was blast but next one didn't got attention of people. :c

Playground = Other Trivia

oh my god 2010?? That was before I ever modded RPT for the first time haha. Talk about blast from the past.

Desinishon October 10th, 2016 11:52 PM

XD Pretty much. Every thread I saw got 50 average post.....the hell xD I'll post new one soon but if you think it's good in RP then it's ok from me c:

moon October 11th, 2016 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9444708)
It was in Other Trivia. It was moved to RPT once, and immediately got closed for being to casual and chatty. It's not a real RP. It doesn't appeal to RPT regulars and sees much more of an audience in Playground.

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Originally Posted by Lelouch (Post 9444738)
XD Pretty much. Every thread I saw got 50 average post.....the hell xD I'll post new one soon but if you think it's good in RP then it's ok from me c:

I read through some of Anna's Nightclub now and realize that it's pretty much exactly like our one-liner "DCC" haha. If you'd like (and if Anna feels like it's an okay continuation of her legacy) I'll talk to gimmepie about replacing the current random setting-less one-liner RP in RPT with this!

Unless you'd prefer it to sit somewhere else still ofc. It's certainly up to you (:

Logan October 11th, 2016 12:41 AM

bring back disaster zone

Desinishon October 11th, 2016 1:48 AM

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Originally Posted by adventure (Post 9444766)
I read through some of Anna's Nightclub now and realize that it's pretty much exactly like our one-liner "DCC" haha. If you'd like (and if Anna feels like it's an okay continuation of her legacy) I'll talk to gimmepie about replacing the current random setting-less one-liner RP in RPT with this!

Unless you'd prefer it to sit somewhere else still ofc. It's certainly up to you (:

It's okay from me if you want that in RPT c: I know Anna will be too xD but let's wait for them.

Aquacorde October 11th, 2016 1:55 AM

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Originally Posted by adventure (Post 9444766)
I read through some of Anna's Nightclub now and realize that it's pretty much exactly like our one-liner "DCC" haha. If you'd like (and if Anna feels like it's an okay continuation of her legacy) I'll talk to gimmepie about replacing the current random setting-less one-liner RP in RPT with this!

Unless you'd prefer it to sit somewhere else still ofc. It's certainly up to you (:

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Originally Posted by Lelouch (Post 9444804)
It's okay from me if you want that in RPT c: I know Anna will be too xD but let's wait for them.

The only thing I ever worry about in RPT is the lack of prospective audience? But if y'all wanna try it in there I'll be there. :)

Desinishon October 11th, 2016 2:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9444806)
The only thing I ever worry about in RPT is the lack of prospective audience? But if y'all wanna try it in there I'll be there. :)

Yeah that's the thing...new users visits a forum game section like playground more as compared to RPT but that doesn't mean they will try nightclub .Some will, some will not...c:

moon October 11th, 2016 2:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquacorde (Post 9444806)
The only thing I ever worry about in RPT is the lack of prospective audience? But if y'all wanna try it in there I'll be there. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lelouch (Post 9444811)
Yeah that's the thing...new users visits a forum game section like playground more as compared to RPT but that doesn't mean they will try nightclub .Some will, some will not...c:

True o: you probably reach a wider audience easily in PlayG.

How abouuuut we try it in RPT and if you feel like it doesn't live up to your expectations, we'll move it <3

Desinishon October 11th, 2016 4:44 AM

I'm all in xD

Desert Stream~ October 11th, 2016 6:44 PM

By removing all donald trump referances. We were better off before.

Meganium October 14th, 2016 1:06 PM

NOBODY SAID LERROUX?! How can someone forget our lord and savior who took over PC for 48 hours??????

Also, When clubs were a separate section called "social groups" then they became forum sections (which at one point in time I was a moderator of), and now they are scattered in each of the sections out there which quite honestly I think it's disorganized that way.

When PC Supporters had Tiers (1-5, 6) rather than colored tiers. NOT TO MENTION WE WERE [SUPPORTER]GREEN[/SUPPORTER] AT ONE POINT. I LOVED THAT COLOR SO MUCH.


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