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Z25 October 9th, 2016 8:15 PM

The whole humans are greedy plot was done better in the anime. Lysandre tells Ash and Alain how years ago Team Flare were good guys. They were a charity organization with all their current admins and scientists. They'd go around to towns deliver packages of good the town didn't have or needed.

This helped out people greatly, but overtime they began getting greedy asking for more and getting angry by not being given all they wanted. This upset Lysandre and he developed the idea that the world was done for if he didn't wipe out the people and cleanse the world of the humans who kept demanding so much from it.

In a way, he has a semi noble goal, but it's done in a very psychotic way which is why he's "evil".


The dealing with of real world issues was a interesting change for the series to take. It doesn't make the franchise start to crash and burn, but gives it a more realistic point of view, which when written the right way helps make the games be really well. Like the Black and White games started this trend with, and current they are viewed as the best games.

It helps show this an be a step in the right direction if done correctly.

Sopheria October 9th, 2016 8:17 PM

I know how you feel, but you really have to consider that every new generation has introduced changes and each time there are always people who felt that said changes signaled "the death of Pokémon" (look at the number of people who still to this day say that the original 151 are the only "real" Pokémon). But those things have all become a part of what we know and love as Pokémon because people were willing to give it a chance and enjoy it for what it is. The same thing will happen here (and then by 8th gen people will be so used to having regional variants that not having them will be considered "not Pokémon enough" :P )

WingsofBliss October 9th, 2016 8:18 PM

The tagine for the entire franchise is "gotta catch 'em all", so it's not like the Gyms and E4 were the only true things that made Pokémon what it is. Like what everyone has said, the trial captains and kahunas are essentially the same thing with a fresh coat of paint. What I think is really cool about it is the little tasks and missions you'll have to complete in the trials.

Other than that, i think everything looks terrific so far, and this is the most hyped I've ever been forr a Pokemon game in a long time. I just don't see how somebody could hate these games when they aren't even out yet.

Z25 October 9th, 2016 8:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9443153)
The tagine for the entire franchise is "gotta catch 'em all", so it's not like the Gyms and E4 were the only true things that made Pokémon what it is. Like what everyone has said, the trial captains and kahunas are essentially the same thing with a fresh coat of paint. What I think is really cool about it is the little tasks and missions you'll have to complete in the trials.

Other than that, i think everything looks terrific so far, and this is the most hyped I've ever been forr a Pokemon game in a long time. I just don't see how somebody could hate these games when they aren't even out yet.

Actually a good point to mention.

The tagline is now Train On! Proof that they want to make the games more fresh and that their goal is to switch up the franchise a bit now.

mew_nani October 9th, 2016 8:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9443052)
And yet it's this reason why Lysandre is secretly the hero that the world of Pokémon needs, and the existence of Team Skull, and possibly the Aether Foundation, were the result of you, the player, stopping Lysandre's plan to saving the world. Pokémon has been tackling issues irl since Ruby and Sapphire, which is how you can make the series "mature" without the need of appealing to juvenile delinquents.

Saving the world... by destroying the world. I can't say I'm that surprised given Team Aqua was also planning to expand the habitat of aquatic Pokemon by introducing an eternal flood that would completely shut down the underwater currents currently sustaining most oceanic life on Earth, dooming them all to a slow and drawn out demise, and Team Magma's little idea to cause an eternal drought to expand the landmasses of the world for terrestrial mons would also wreck the climate of the world in a similar fashion as well horribly alter global weather patterns. Don't you just love ecoterrorists?

At least Team Plasma did the whole Pokemon abuse schtick right, and Team Galactic was.... wait what were they again? An energy company? I'm never understand how they maintained that front with their spikey buildings and bowl cuts and petty theft.

Silly mode off, Pokemon only really started hammering real life issues in Gen V. Team Rocket always was the de facto mafia, Team Magma and Team Aqua were just a bunch of cooks doing crazy crap and summoning eldritch creatures they couldn't control, and Team Galactic were known more for having strange fashion sense than for endorsing any real life cause. Team Plasma was where it all started, and to their credit they brought up an issue that is genuinely a big concern: Pokemon Abuse. Team Flare though tried to mix being silly with deliberate world destruction and it simply doesn't work. They're their own antethesis: they're trying to blow the world up because people like them specifically are causing problems, and instead of being treated seriously as the psychopaths they actually were they were treated sympathetically instead. I still maintain AZ should have been the main villain instead. It would have worked so much better.

Also, I never thought I'd see the day where the anime actually fleshes out the main villains of a Pokemon game better than the games do on that magnitude. Must be Gen I all over again.

WingsofBliss October 10th, 2016 4:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Z25 (Post 9443169)
Actually a good point to mention.

The tagline is now Train On! Proof that they want to make the games more fresh and that their goal is to switch up the franchise a bit now.

I thought that was the tagline for the 20th Anniversary specifically, not the actual franchise itself.

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Originally Posted by mew_nani (Post 9443170)
Saving the world... by destroying the world. I can't say I'm that surprised given Team Aqua was also planning to expand the habitat of aquatic Pokemon by introducing an eternal flood that would completely shut down the underwater currents currently sustaining most oceanic life on Earth, dooming them all to a slow and drawn out demise, and Team Magma's little idea to cause an eternal drought to expand the landmasses of the world for terrestrial mons would also wreck the climate of the world in a similar fashion as well horribly alter global weather patterns. Don't you just love ecoterrorists?

At least Team Plasma did the whole Pokemon abuse schtick right, and Team Galactic was.... wait what were they again? An energy company? I'm never understand how they maintained that front with their spikey buildings and bowl cuts and petty theft.

Silly mode off, Pokemon only really started hammering real life issues in Gen V. Team Rocket always was the de facto mafia, Team Magma and Team Aqua were just a bunch of cooks doing crazy crap and summoning eldritch creatures they couldn't control, and Team Galactic were known more for having strange fashion sense than for endorsing any real life cause. Team Plasma was where it all started, and to their credit they brought up an issue that is genuinely a big concern: Pokemon Abuse. Team Flare though tried to mix being silly with deliberate world destruction and it simply doesn't work. They're their own antethesis: they're trying to blow the world up because people like them specifically are causing problems, and instead of being treated seriously as the psychopaths they actually were they were treated sympathetically instead. I still maintain AZ should have been the main villain instead. It would have worked so much better.

Also, I never thought I'd see the day where the anime actually fleshes out the main villains of a Pokemon game better than the games do on that magnitude. Must be Gen I all over again.

While the deeper storylines in these games started with Gen 5, I think the characterization of NPC's started with Gen 4. Cyrus was given a motive and a little bit of backstory for his actions; his parents didn't really care about him and were not pleased with him no matter how hard he worked in his studies growing up. There's also the Celebi event we got in HGSS, that showed us a bit of backstory of Silver and Giovanni, and also explained why Silver was the way he is.

Nah October 10th, 2016 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Z25 (Post 9443149)
The whole humans are greedy plot was done better in the anime. Lysandre tells Ash and Alain how years ago Team Flare were good guys. They were a charity organization with all their current admins and scientists. They'd go around to towns deliver packages of good the town didn't have or needed.

This helped out people greatly, but overtime they began getting greedy asking for more and getting angry by not being given all they wanted. This upset Lysandre and he developed the idea that the world was done for if he didn't wipe out the people and cleanse the world of the humans who kept demanding so much from it.

fuckin' shit the one time the anime does something better than the games.....-_-


Anyway to keep this on topic I will just say that I'm going to remain very neutral towards Sun and Moon until I actually get the chance to play them. I have gotten overhyped and then later disappointed in games far too many times to let myself do that anymore. The thing to keep in mind is that what we get through trailers and such is really just a mere fraction of the games. We don't know everything about anything that's been revealed so far. We don't know what else is in these games or how things can go, or how it all interacts together in the game, or even how it feels to directly play with these things. Things you may have liked/hated during pre-release may later turn into things you hate/like post-release. We just don't know, as much as people would like to claim that they know that these games will be good or bad. It is indeed silly to think the games will be horrible and kill the franchise based on what little we know, but for that very same reason it's equally silly to think that these games will be amazeballs and revitalize the franchise.


I do hope that the games will turn out amazing, but hope don't change reality folks. Nevermind that I'm still afraid that Game Freak may treat Sun/Moon the same way they do with almost every pair of a new generation.

Iceshadow3317 October 10th, 2016 7:31 AM

There are two kinds of people when it comes to the world. People who can adapt to new ways. Or people who can't stand change. It is like this with every single thing in the world.

People wanted change, but when we get it, people cry about it. Complain about it. And can't stand the fact that it is changing. Before they even give the changes a chance.

Pokemon isn't dying at all. It is still the top seller. It is still possibly the biggest franchise in the world when it comes to types of medias. Pokemon is a god to a lot of things. Sun and Moon will probably have some of the most sold copies ever.

You either accept change or don't. Change will always win. So you have to adapt. I for one think these will be some of the best games ever. Because it is fresh. Because it is new things. Because it will probably focus more on story which the games desperately need after Unova Games.

And I am going to guess the people who are really against this are people from the first generation who have not really liked anything since the originals because you can't be happy for how long pokemon has lasted as a whole and are stuck in the past because of useless, overactive nostalgia.

Caaethil October 10th, 2016 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9443052)
And yet it's this reason why Lysandre is secretly the hero that the world of Pokémon needs, and the existence of Team Skull, and possibly the Aether Foundation, were the result of you, the player, stopping Lysandre's plan to saving the world. Pokémon has been tackling issues irl since Ruby and Sapphire, which is how you can make the series "mature" without the need of appealing to juvenile delinquents.

Wait, are you endorsing saving the world through mass genocide? Because that's a bit messed up. Please tell me I'm missing some context here. >.<

Z25 October 10th, 2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9443468)
I thought that was the tagline for the 20th Anniversary specifically, not the actual franchise itself.



While the deeper storylines in these games started with Gen 5, I think the characterization of NPC's started with Gen 4. Cyrus was given a motive and a little bit of backstory for his actions; his parents didn't really care about him and were not pleased with him no matter how hard he worked in his studies growing up. There's also the Celebi event we got in HGSS, that showed us a bit of backstory of Silver and Giovanni, and also explained why Silver was the way he is.

I think it's suppose to be for the series over all now. I could be wrong, but I think it was created already the anniversary. They may not have been clear on it.
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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9443532)
****in' **** the one time the anime does something better than the games.....-_-


Anyway to keep this on topic I will just say that I'm going to remain very neutral towards Sun and Moon until I actually get the chance to play them. I have gotten overhyped and then later disappointed in games far too many times to let myself do that anymore. The thing to keep in mind is that what we get through trailers and such is really just a mere fraction of the games. We don't know everything about anything that's been revealed so far. We don't know what else is in these games or how things can go, or how it all interacts together in the game, or even how it feels to directly play with these things. Things you may have liked/hated during pre-release may later turn into things you hate/like post-release. We just don't know, as much as people would like to claim that they know that these games will be good or bad. It is indeed silly to think the games will be horrible and kill the franchise based on what little we know, but for that very same reason it's equally silly to think that these games will be amazeballs and revitalize the franchise.


I do hope that the games will turn out amazing, but hope don't change reality folks. Nevermind that I'm still afraid that Game Freak may treat Sun/Moon the same way they do with almost every pair of a new generation.

X and Y's anime portrayed the characters really well. Which was nice with how under developed the games had them.

Pinkie-Dawn October 10th, 2016 3:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9443802)
Wait, are you endorsing saving the world through mass genocide? Because that's a bit messed up. Please tell me I'm missing some context here. >.<

Yes, and it's also why MCU Ultron has a point about humanity and why it should be taken into consideration.

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And I am going to guess the people who are really against this are people from the first generation who have not really liked anything since the originals because you can't be happy for how long pokemon has lasted as a whole and are stuck in the past because of useless, overactive nostalgia.
Or they've only played the first generation and not the later games because they felt they're all the same game (yes, they'll even think SM is still the same game regardless of changes made to the structure).

clbgolden October 10th, 2016 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9444169)
Yes, and it's also why MCU Ultron has a point about humanity and why it should be taken into consideration.

Waitttt, you seriously think killing masses of people is something that should be taken into consideration?

Do you NOT see the problem with that?

MarioManH October 10th, 2016 6:20 PM

Haven't logged in for months, and I came on just to reply to this.

You never gave these games a chance what-so-ever, and just because of that your whole argument is just irrelevant. Yes, these games could end up being a total flop, or these games could usher in a new golden age of Pokemon.

I remember thinking that 5th Generation was going to be a total flop, as I felt it would be some what of a repeat of 4th Generation, but it ended up refreshing the whole Pokemon franchise. What I mean by that B/W brought back many old fans (From pre-Gen4), and introduced a bunch of new fans to the scene, with nostalgic feels that were reminiscent of the first games.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Nah October 10th, 2016 7:20 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9443628)
Probably worth noting that Game Freak does have more experience under their belt with 3DS games after X/Y and ORAS. If S/M were the very first main game 3DS games, I'd be slightly worried, but seeing as this is the third pair of 3DS games? I'd say they're pretty adept to things by now.

Nah I mean that when you look at the first released pair of each generation since 3 (so R/S, D/P, B/W, and X/Y), you'll notice a pattern with them, and it's not exactly a positive one. What's stopping them from continuing it with Sun/Moon?

MegaKuriboh October 10th, 2016 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9444522)
That's precisely what I'm saying, though! R/S were the first GBA games, and then Game Freak improved with Emerald mid-generation with fixes, etc. D/P were the first DS games, they were really slow, and then Platinum came about and there were improvements. B/W is debatable; some may argue it's fluid because of the story, and just had a ****ty post-game, which was improved upon in B2W2. X/Y were the first 3DS games, so it's expected that it turned out rushed. Don't forget ORAS; which is arguably more fluid in gameplay than X/Y.

So basically, what I was saying is the issue of things being botched up, rushed, and messy is usually only seen by the first games of each console rather than each generation, although the former coincides with the latter.

tl;dr of what I'm trying to say is that this is Game Freak's third pair of 3DS games. If these were the first pair of games to come out on the 3DS ever, then I can see your concern about sloppiness and rushed areas, but they've had X/Y for that, and ORAS is arguably more polished than X/Y, so there's probably a safe bet that S/M would turn out to be more polished than ORAS.

I agree, I feel like R/S, D/P and X/Y are all sort of empty and not super polished, but I thought BW was pretty solid (even though it didn't have a Battle Frontier), but as whole games they're pretty solid meanwhile I never want to touch my Diamond/Pearl games again. In fact, I'm glad they didn't decide to give us Gray, and gave us a whole new adventure in that region instead (Although XY could have done with a Z).

I'm trying to keep my hopes low on a few things, but I feel like Game Freak won't let us down with these games. They had 3 or so years of development time, it's the 20th anniversary games, and also after a disappointing generation, they have no excuse to bring us lackluster and empty games.

Dman10062 October 11th, 2016 8:08 AM

I do not see the recent and new games as the death of the series. The Pokemon Company is certainly changing things up, but that does not mean that Pokemon is dying. I think The Pokemon Company, as many others have pointed out, is simply adding some new things to the old formula. While some new ideas might be poorly implemented in one game, that means that The Pokemon Company can try to fix it in later games.

For example, let's look at the first gen games. Nostalgia aside, they were extremely broken games and are nothing compared to games like OR and AS. Just because something new is being introduced, it doesn't mean that the whole game series is going to die off immediately. Just give Sun and Moon a chance, and if you don't like the game, simply do not play it, and give the Pokemon Company some constructive feedback so they can improve whatever you thought was bad.

BettyNewbie October 11th, 2016 10:45 AM

I really don't like the "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality I'm seeing in many of these comments. Cerberus brought up many valid points that are worth considering, even if you disagree with him.

It seems that anytime the newest games are criticized for anything, people have this kneejerk reaction and write off any criticism as being "blinded by nostalgia." Being a Pokémon fan shouldn't mean having to blindly love everything about every game, and in fact, more people should be critiquing the games and acknowledging that GF doesn't always make the best or smartest decisions. That's what a healthy fandom does. Way too many of these comments read like they were written by GF/Nintendo representatives rather than ordinary fans.

Those are my final words on this topic, take 'em or leave 'em.

Caaethil October 11th, 2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 9445218)
I really don't like the "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality I'm seeing in many of these comments. Cerberus brought up many valid points that are worth considering, even if you disagree with him.

It seems that anytime the newest games are criticized for anything, people have this kneejerk reaction and write off any criticism as being "blinded by nostalgia." Being a Pokémon fan shouldn't mean having to blindly love everything about every game, and in fact, more people should be critiquing the games and acknowledging that GF doesn't always make the best or smartest decisions. That's what a healthy fandom does. Way too many of these comments read like they were written by GF/Nintendo representatives rather than ordinary fans.

Those are my final words on this topic, take 'em or leave 'em.

I'm not surprised you chose to reply to only the lowest common denominator of responses you got.

To clarify, we're telling you you're blinded by nostalgia or some such because the only reason you seem mad is because it's different. You have this vague kind of "it's not Pokemon" argument and that's no good. Not to mention the demonstrably false comment of it alienating the core fanbase.

And by the way, what mentality would you prefer in the future? If you don't like it, go to GameFreak and make them change it? If you don't like it, destroy every copy to make sure GameFreak do it differently next time? If you don't like it, write a strongly worded email to Nintendo? Because "if you don't like it, don't play it" seems like a perfectly sensible response to me.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9444169)
Yes, and it's also why MCU Ultron has a point about humanity and why it should be taken into consideration.

Well, um... That's interesting. I'd like to see a Round Table thread on this. This isn't the place. :)

MegaKuriboh October 11th, 2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 9445218)
I really don't like the "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality I'm seeing in many of these comments. Cerberus brought up many valid points that are worth considering, even if you disagree with him.

It seems that anytime the newest games are criticized for anything, people have this kneejerk reaction and write off any criticism as being "blinded by nostalgia." Being a Pokémon fan shouldn't mean having to blindly love everything about every game, and in fact, more people should be critiquing the games and acknowledging that GF doesn't always make the best or smartest decisions. That's what a healthy fandom does. Way too many of these comments read like they were written by GF/Nintendo representatives rather than ordinary fans.

Those are my final words on this topic, take 'em or leave 'em.

It's fine to criticize a game if you don't like it, but why before the game even comes out? We have no idea if these changes will be good or bad to the franchise, and we probably only know about 25% of the game at best anyways right now, so why write off the games that could potentially be fantastic when you don't know it?

clbgolden October 11th, 2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 9445218)
I really don't like the "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality I'm seeing in many of these comments. Cerberus brought up many valid points that are worth considering, even if you disagree with him.

It seems that anytime the newest games are criticized for anything, people have this kneejerk reaction and write off any criticism as being "blinded by nostalgia." Being a Pokémon fan shouldn't mean having to blindly love everything about every game, and in fact, more people should be critiquing the games and acknowledging that GF doesn't always make the best or smartest decisions. That's what a healthy fandom does. Way too many of these comments read like they were written by GF/Nintendo representatives rather than ordinary fans.

Those are my final words on this topic, take 'em or leave 'em.

There's a fine line between critiques and then saying these games are going to ruin the Pokémon franchise.

Iceshadow3317 October 11th, 2016 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyNewbie (Post 9445218)
I really don't like the "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality I'm seeing in many of these comments. Cerberus brought up many valid points that are worth considering, even if you disagree with him.

It seems that anytime the newest games are criticized for anything, people have this kneejerk reaction and write off any criticism as being "blinded by nostalgia." Being a Pokémon fan shouldn't mean having to blindly love everything about every game, and in fact, more people should be critiquing the games and acknowledging that GF doesn't always make the best or smartest decisions. That's what a healthy fandom does. Way too many of these comments read like they were written by GF/Nintendo representatives rather than ordinary fans.

Those are my final words on this topic, take 'em or leave 'em.

What's the difference between what you have said and what we say? So because we are fans of pokemon, we can't defend the games before they come out? Well guess what, we are tired of that type of mentality. And most of the time, it is blinded by nostalgia because they have hated on everything that isn't Gen 1. Or they just CAN'T ACCEPT change. And that is usually what it boils down to. It's new so people automatically hate it because it isn't what it used to be.

Even the ones who defend GF/Nintendo can disagree with them, but continue to defend them.

I disagreed with a lot of things they did in 6th Gen, but I either accepted it or it grew on me. Arceus knows how much I disagreed with them on so much in 6th gen. I hated the change from Gyms to Trials, but I adapted and I think it is the best way to go for the entire franchise. Especially if it is going to focus a bit more on story. I disagree with a lot of things GF/Nintendo does, but I am going to continue to defend them and trust that they know what they are doing.

Mobile Tsk October 11th, 2016 4:19 PM

On the contrary I am actually thrilled about the new games, which is something I haven't been able to say in a long time. Frankly a lot of people, myself included, have grown tired of seeing the same formula over and over again. This was coupled with the truly uninspired designs of Gen 4/5 that only began to show signs of life in Gen 6 that made a lot of people think that the franchise was begin to founder. But what we know about the new games shows some very cutting edge game design and I think it's about time we had a change of pace. And yes, while I agree "If you don't like it, don't play it" is a rather weak cop-out for the defense of gimmicky game developments, I do think most of the people rejecting the change in Sun & Moon are, in fact, blinded by nostalgia. I've had a lot of disdain for some of the games that have come out in the past 10 years and for a while I thought it was because what made them different from the original games. But no, the lack of creativity, staleness of the same storyline repeated in another, more arduous and painfully elongated region, was what I disliked about them. The new games really offer a breath of fresh air for people who thought the franchise was on its way out.

machomuu October 11th, 2016 5:16 PM

Heh, I suppose someone had to.

I find it a bit funny that I'm seeing this despite S&M being the most excited I've dared to be about a Pokemon game since DP, which was also the release that ended with me being pretty jaded towards the series and its later releases (and even some of its earlier ones retroactively). Largely because the formula- well, first, as I've said before, isn't what makes Pokemon "Pokemon", there's a lot more to it than that. But even if it was...it's not gone. It's still here, as clear as day, just given a different coat to make it feel like a fresher experience which, if I'm going to be honest, is probably the best and most brilliant way they could please those that want more of the same and those that have left the series or have grown tired of the same old thing.

But the gym battles are still there, the rival's still there, the team's still there, and so on, they've just been given some functional restructuring for the sake of the title. Is it really so wrong to get creative with a long-running concept? I mean, I could understand being upset if they basically built the game from the ground up and it wasn't to your liking, but this is basically the answer to changing from doing too little without doing too much, and honestly I think that's the firm grasp and flourishing of Pokemon's potential that it's needed for generations. That they could find a happy medium is a good thing and I'm glad it's being so well-received, because it shows GF that they can play with ideas without being yelled at for it, and depending on the praise for the game, it will become the expectation and Pokemon, as a franchise, will inevitably really grow into its own.

That's the way I see it anyway. Pokemon isn't dying. It's not being reborn or anything. It's just moving forward, and thank goodness for that.

Pinkie-Dawn October 11th, 2016 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by machomuu (Post 9445610)
Heh, I suppose someone had to.

I find it a bit funny that I'm seeing this despite S&M being the most excited I've dared to be about a Pokemon game since DP, which was also the release that ended with me being pretty jaded towards the series and its later releases (and even some of its earlier ones retroactively). Largely because the formula- well, first, as I've said before, isn't what makes Pokemon "Pokemon", there's a lot more to it than that. But even if it was...it's not gone. It's still here, as clear as day, just given a different coat to make it feel like a fresher experience which, if I'm going to be honest, is probably the best and most brilliant way they could please those that want more of the same and those that have left the series or have grown tired of the same old thing.

But the gym battles are still there, the rival's still there, the team's still there, and so on, they've just been given some functional restructuring for the sake of the title. Is it really so wrong to get creative with a long-running concept? I mean, I could understand being upset if they basically built the game from the ground up and it wasn't to your liking, but this is basically the answer to changing from doing too little without doing too much, and honestly I think that's the firm grasp and flourishing of Pokemon's potential that it's needed for generations. That they could find a happy medium is a good thing and I'm glad it's being so well-received, because it shows GF that they can play with ideas without being yelled at for it, and depending on the praise for the game, it will become the expectation and Pokemon, as a franchise, will inevitably really grow into its own.

That's the way I see it anyway. Pokemon isn't dying. It's not being reborn or anything. It's just moving forward, and thank goodness for that.

This situation has also happened with the Paper Mario fanbase when Color Splash was announced. Whenever the developers tries a different spin to the series' structure, the older fans will be outraged and deem the franchise ruined forever.

MarinoKadame October 12th, 2016 3:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9445799)
This situation has also happened with the Paper Mario fanbase when Color Splash was announced. Whenever the developers tries a different spin to the series' structure, the older fans will be outraged and deem the franchise ruined forever.

Just like with Metroid with Other M and the latest one that came out. I wish Nintendo even said a word about Metroid anniversary but they said nothing and kept going on the Zelda bandwagon like always.


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