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The whole humans are greedy plot was done better in the anime. Lysandre tells Ash and Alain how years ago Team Flare were good guys. They were a charity organization with all their current admins and scientists. They'd go around to towns deliver packages of good the town didn't have or needed.
This helped out people greatly, but overtime they began getting greedy asking for more and getting angry by not being given all they wanted. This upset Lysandre and he developed the idea that the world was done for if he didn't wipe out the people and cleanse the world of the humans who kept demanding so much from it. In a way, he has a semi noble goal, but it's done in a very psychotic way which is why he's "evil". The dealing with of real world issues was a interesting change for the series to take. It doesn't make the franchise start to crash and burn, but gives it a more realistic point of view, which when written the right way helps make the games be really well. Like the Black and White games started this trend with, and current they are viewed as the best games. It helps show this an be a step in the right direction if done correctly. |
I know how you feel, but you really have to consider that every new generation has introduced changes and each time there are always people who felt that said changes signaled "the death of Pokémon" (look at the number of people who still to this day say that the original 151 are the only "real" Pokémon). But those things have all become a part of what we know and love as Pokémon because people were willing to give it a chance and enjoy it for what it is. The same thing will happen here (and then by 8th gen people will be so used to having regional variants that not having them will be considered "not Pokémon enough" :P )
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The tagine for the entire franchise is "gotta catch 'em all", so it's not like the Gyms and E4 were the only true things that made Pokémon what it is. Like what everyone has said, the trial captains and kahunas are essentially the same thing with a fresh coat of paint. What I think is really cool about it is the little tasks and missions you'll have to complete in the trials.
Other than that, i think everything looks terrific so far, and this is the most hyped I've ever been forr a Pokemon game in a long time. I just don't see how somebody could hate these games when they aren't even out yet. |
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The tagline is now Train On! Proof that they want to make the games more fresh and that their goal is to switch up the franchise a bit now. |
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At least Team Plasma did the whole Pokemon abuse schtick right, and Team Galactic was.... wait what were they again? An energy company? I'm never understand how they maintained that front with their spikey buildings and bowl cuts and petty theft. Silly mode off, Pokemon only really started hammering real life issues in Gen V. Team Rocket always was the de facto mafia, Team Magma and Team Aqua were just a bunch of cooks doing crazy crap and summoning eldritch creatures they couldn't control, and Team Galactic were known more for having strange fashion sense than for endorsing any real life cause. Team Plasma was where it all started, and to their credit they brought up an issue that is genuinely a big concern: Pokemon Abuse. Team Flare though tried to mix being silly with deliberate world destruction and it simply doesn't work. They're their own antethesis: they're trying to blow the world up because people like them specifically are causing problems, and instead of being treated seriously as the psychopaths they actually were they were treated sympathetically instead. I still maintain AZ should have been the main villain instead. It would have worked so much better. Also, I never thought I'd see the day where the anime actually fleshes out the main villains of a Pokemon game better than the games do on that magnitude. Must be Gen I all over again. |
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Anyway to keep this on topic I will just say that I'm going to remain very neutral towards Sun and Moon until I actually get the chance to play them. I have gotten overhyped and then later disappointed in games far too many times to let myself do that anymore. The thing to keep in mind is that what we get through trailers and such is really just a mere fraction of the games. We don't know everything about anything that's been revealed so far. We don't know what else is in these games or how things can go, or how it all interacts together in the game, or even how it feels to directly play with these things. Things you may have liked/hated during pre-release may later turn into things you hate/like post-release. We just don't know, as much as people would like to claim that they know that these games will be good or bad. It is indeed silly to think the games will be horrible and kill the franchise based on what little we know, but for that very same reason it's equally silly to think that these games will be amazeballs and revitalize the franchise. I do hope that the games will turn out amazing, but hope don't change reality folks. Nevermind that I'm still afraid that Game Freak may treat Sun/Moon the same way they do with almost every pair of a new generation. |
There are two kinds of people when it comes to the world. People who can adapt to new ways. Or people who can't stand change. It is like this with every single thing in the world.
People wanted change, but when we get it, people cry about it. Complain about it. And can't stand the fact that it is changing. Before they even give the changes a chance. Pokemon isn't dying at all. It is still the top seller. It is still possibly the biggest franchise in the world when it comes to types of medias. Pokemon is a god to a lot of things. Sun and Moon will probably have some of the most sold copies ever. You either accept change or don't. Change will always win. So you have to adapt. I for one think these will be some of the best games ever. Because it is fresh. Because it is new things. Because it will probably focus more on story which the games desperately need after Unova Games. And I am going to guess the people who are really against this are people from the first generation who have not really liked anything since the originals because you can't be happy for how long pokemon has lasted as a whole and are stuck in the past because of useless, overactive nostalgia. |
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Do you NOT see the problem with that? |
Haven't logged in for months, and I came on just to reply to this.
You never gave these games a chance what-so-ever, and just because of that your whole argument is just irrelevant. Yes, these games could end up being a total flop, or these games could usher in a new golden age of Pokemon. I remember thinking that 5th Generation was going to be a total flop, as I felt it would be some what of a repeat of 4th Generation, but it ended up refreshing the whole Pokemon franchise. What I mean by that B/W brought back many old fans (From pre-Gen4), and introduced a bunch of new fans to the scene, with nostalgic feels that were reminiscent of the first games. Don't judge a book by it's cover. |
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I'm trying to keep my hopes low on a few things, but I feel like Game Freak won't let us down with these games. They had 3 or so years of development time, it's the 20th anniversary games, and also after a disappointing generation, they have no excuse to bring us lackluster and empty games. |
I do not see the recent and new games as the death of the series. The Pokemon Company is certainly changing things up, but that does not mean that Pokemon is dying. I think The Pokemon Company, as many others have pointed out, is simply adding some new things to the old formula. While some new ideas might be poorly implemented in one game, that means that The Pokemon Company can try to fix it in later games.
For example, let's look at the first gen games. Nostalgia aside, they were extremely broken games and are nothing compared to games like OR and AS. Just because something new is being introduced, it doesn't mean that the whole game series is going to die off immediately. Just give Sun and Moon a chance, and if you don't like the game, simply do not play it, and give the Pokemon Company some constructive feedback so they can improve whatever you thought was bad. |
I really don't like the "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality I'm seeing in many of these comments. Cerberus brought up many valid points that are worth considering, even if you disagree with him.
It seems that anytime the newest games are criticized for anything, people have this kneejerk reaction and write off any criticism as being "blinded by nostalgia." Being a Pokémon fan shouldn't mean having to blindly love everything about every game, and in fact, more people should be critiquing the games and acknowledging that GF doesn't always make the best or smartest decisions. That's what a healthy fandom does. Way too many of these comments read like they were written by GF/Nintendo representatives rather than ordinary fans. Those are my final words on this topic, take 'em or leave 'em. |
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To clarify, we're telling you you're blinded by nostalgia or some such because the only reason you seem mad is because it's different. You have this vague kind of "it's not Pokemon" argument and that's no good. Not to mention the demonstrably false comment of it alienating the core fanbase. And by the way, what mentality would you prefer in the future? If you don't like it, go to GameFreak and make them change it? If you don't like it, destroy every copy to make sure GameFreak do it differently next time? If you don't like it, write a strongly worded email to Nintendo? Because "if you don't like it, don't play it" seems like a perfectly sensible response to me. Quote:
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Even the ones who defend GF/Nintendo can disagree with them, but continue to defend them. I disagreed with a lot of things they did in 6th Gen, but I either accepted it or it grew on me. Arceus knows how much I disagreed with them on so much in 6th gen. I hated the change from Gyms to Trials, but I adapted and I think it is the best way to go for the entire franchise. Especially if it is going to focus a bit more on story. I disagree with a lot of things GF/Nintendo does, but I am going to continue to defend them and trust that they know what they are doing. |
On the contrary I am actually thrilled about the new games, which is something I haven't been able to say in a long time. Frankly a lot of people, myself included, have grown tired of seeing the same formula over and over again. This was coupled with the truly uninspired designs of Gen 4/5 that only began to show signs of life in Gen 6 that made a lot of people think that the franchise was begin to founder. But what we know about the new games shows some very cutting edge game design and I think it's about time we had a change of pace. And yes, while I agree "If you don't like it, don't play it" is a rather weak cop-out for the defense of gimmicky game developments, I do think most of the people rejecting the change in Sun & Moon are, in fact, blinded by nostalgia. I've had a lot of disdain for some of the games that have come out in the past 10 years and for a while I thought it was because what made them different from the original games. But no, the lack of creativity, staleness of the same storyline repeated in another, more arduous and painfully elongated region, was what I disliked about them. The new games really offer a breath of fresh air for people who thought the franchise was on its way out.
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Heh, I suppose someone had to.
I find it a bit funny that I'm seeing this despite S&M being the most excited I've dared to be about a Pokemon game since DP, which was also the release that ended with me being pretty jaded towards the series and its later releases (and even some of its earlier ones retroactively). Largely because the formula- well, first, as I've said before, isn't what makes Pokemon "Pokemon", there's a lot more to it than that. But even if it was...it's not gone. It's still here, as clear as day, just given a different coat to make it feel like a fresher experience which, if I'm going to be honest, is probably the best and most brilliant way they could please those that want more of the same and those that have left the series or have grown tired of the same old thing. But the gym battles are still there, the rival's still there, the team's still there, and so on, they've just been given some functional restructuring for the sake of the title. Is it really so wrong to get creative with a long-running concept? I mean, I could understand being upset if they basically built the game from the ground up and it wasn't to your liking, but this is basically the answer to changing from doing too little without doing too much, and honestly I think that's the firm grasp and flourishing of Pokemon's potential that it's needed for generations. That they could find a happy medium is a good thing and I'm glad it's being so well-received, because it shows GF that they can play with ideas without being yelled at for it, and depending on the praise for the game, it will become the expectation and Pokemon, as a franchise, will inevitably really grow into its own. That's the way I see it anyway. Pokemon isn't dying. It's not being reborn or anything. It's just moving forward, and thank goodness for that. |
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