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Pinkie-Dawn October 12th, 2016 7:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9446016)
Just like with Metroid with Other M and the latest one that came out. I wish Nintendo even said a word about Metroid anniversary but they said nothing and kept going on the Zelda bandwagon like always.

They didn't make any big deal with Zelda's anniversary either because of Pokemon's 20th anniversary.

MarinoKadame October 12th, 2016 8:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9446212)
They didn't make any big deal with Zelda's anniversary either because of Pokemon's 20th anniversary.

They still dedicated an whole E3 with just Zelda outside of the Treehouse stuff.

Azire October 12th, 2016 10:59 PM

I don't understand the reason for discussion here. This is Gen VII, and it is the end...

Just like Gen VI was the end, I mean, what comes after X and Y? Z, and that can only mean the end. So many people were talking about it.

Oh yeah, Gen V was the end as well. Especially once B2W2 were announced instead of Grey. The Pokémon Company changing stuff up obviously means the end.

Wait let's not forget that Gen IV was also the end!! How do you follow up the GOD of all Pokémon!? I remember plenty of talk about that.

In all fairness, I didn't really play Gen III, and I don't remember forums from back when I was playing Gen I and Gen II. I do remember talk that Pokémon would die after Gen I & II, because Gen II included Gen I areas, and obviously they were out of ideas. I don't regret not playing Gen III, I still haven't been able to finish a Gen III game, even with the remakes. That story sucks so bad......

Long story short, EVERY Gen is the last Gen, Pokémon is always ending. The sky is falling!! Wolf!! WOLF!!

Rengoku October 14th, 2016 9:40 AM

When generation 5 came in, I gave the games a chance but I realized I don't like the generation to the slightest bit. I still went on to buy White 2 after getting Black and White, but I wasn't pleased with it, at all.

Generation 6 really sparked me again, but nothing beats the hype of this new generation! All the changes made, all the formulas changing, new Pokemon, and oh, new forms for the older Pokemon. I am in.

You cannot please everyone. Every generations, PC will see people whining about how GameFreak is ruining Pokemon and how this will so be the last generation and how the person complaining will never buy the games.

Mr. Meme October 14th, 2016 9:43 AM

For a moment, I thought this was gonna involve that utterly bone-headed Gnoggin theory.

This is still freaking stupid. You don't need story to enjoy a game. When I played Kingdom Hearts: DDS I skipped literally every single cutscene that was skippable, and I still had a blast.

Xerecies October 30th, 2016 2:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus87 (Post 9440178)
There was once a series with a well-structured formula and, most importantly, a consistent lore where you could connect all the dots and get a larger picture from it.

For better or worse, the rigid structure of gyms, evil team and Elite Four succeeded by a Champion was what made Pokémon, "Pokémon". Like many games of its kind, when you got a Pokémon game, you knew what you were getting into. Furthermore, every addition to the lore was an addition rather than a replacement. Many things were only loosely connected, but you could get something that mostly made sense and, as new additions were incorporated to the lore, they did not exclude what was old and already existed. Rather, these retcons weren't so drastic as to completely negate what came before, but gave new meaning to already existing elements.

Fast forward to ORAS.

In ORAS, the character of Zinnia was introduced and with her came the multiple timelines story. That was a game changer because, up until that moment, every addition to the Pokémon timeline was linear. We were supposed to assume that each pair of games took place later than the one before it. The Hoenn remakes broke that logic by establishing that a new timeline was introduced with X and Y and ORAS was a part of that new timeline. The reason for my sig is simple: ORAS' "jump the shark" moment is because the old timeline was made obsolete as it lacked Mega Evolutions and for all we knew the new path was going to feature more and more Megas. It felt like the old games were worthless.

Then Sun/Moon came and what happened was a complete makeover. They discarded the whole structure of a Pokémon game that was familiar to the fans, in favor of so-called "Trials" that are pretty standard practice in other RPGs. Another addition that was brought up in Sun/Moon was the Alolan Forms, which go against what has been set in stone in Pokémon lore, as changes based on adaptation to the environment was the characteristic of one single Pokémon (Eevee), and occasionally others like Wormadam, for whom the explanation was distinct and convincing. On top of that, the Alolan Forms seem to be designed with "superior" types/stats in relation to the metagame and their classic counterparts, which makes their goal obvious - to replace the now obsolete classic forms which barely anybody uses anymore. Finally, the introduction of uncatchable Ultra Beasts breaks the classic logic from Pokémon that each boss is only as good as the Pokémon they can form a team with, and every Pokémon you see in the game is obtainable one way or another.

And, to complete the trainwreck, the announcement that Megas will be banned from the next VGC means that the developers of the games are probably no longer interested in a mechanic that everyone made a huge deal of and which was pivotal to the generation immediately preceding this one. This created an extreme inconsistency and confusion as to whether Megas would be seen again and which will be their place now that they could be phased out and whether the new timeline will see its conclusion. It sounds to me that the Pokémon team does not know in which direction to take the games (the sales of which are in decline) and is creating mechanic after mechanic without any concern for balance and systematics. This could mean that in 8th gen the Z-Crystals are replaced with yet another object and yet another mechanic and disappear without any explanation as to why.

My disillusion with the Pokémon series, therefore, stems from this lack of consistency. We buy Pokémon games because we want to play Pokémon games. If I wanted to play dungeon crawlers with a completely messed up timeline I'd get Zelda instead. It's no secret that Pokémon has been stale for a while, but IMO transforming it and its monsters into something they're not, is not the path to take and does not do any good for the series especially in its 20th anniversary, when the old games should've been paid homage to instead of effectively neglected.

I see where you're coming from, but in my honest opinion Pokemon needed change -- especially nearing the 20th anniversary.


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