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w1f1pa55w0rd October 14th, 2016 4:42 AM

Type:Null's evolution and speculation
 
I think that type nulls evolution was just insane, though jangmo-o's final turned out to be a bit of a disappointment, i obviously liked it, but i just feel they could have done better. type null seems to be a pretty good pokemon, and according to the official thing, it evolves by trust and friendship, which i think is a huge hint at something. gladion uses it, and i think that the "evolution" is actually just a powerful forme change, because the action shown in the magazine looks a lot like showing the mega item-(example-bracelet)

MarinoKadame October 14th, 2016 10:48 AM

It's now official that Arceus is pronounced with a K looking at the RKS System ability.

Caaethil October 14th, 2016 1:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarinoKadame (Post 9449198)
It's now official that Arceus is pronounced with a K looking at the RKS System ability.

It was consistently pronounced that way in the movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life.

Silvally is possibly my favourite Gen 7 'mon.

MarinoKadame October 14th, 2016 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9449378)
It was consistently pronounced that way in the movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life.

Silvally is possibly my favourite Gen 7 'mon.

It's just most people that I heard saying it mostly Poketubers were not saying it with the K.

Rivvon October 14th, 2016 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by w1f1pa55w0rd (Post 9448792)
I think that type nulls evolution was just insane, though jangmo-o's final turned out to be a bit of a disappointment, i obviously liked it, but i just feel they could have done better. type null seems to be a pretty good pokemon, and according to the official thing, it evolves by trust and friendship, which i think is a huge hint at something. gladion uses it, and i think that the "evolution" is actually just a powerful forme change, because the action shown in the magazine looks a lot like showing the mega item-(example-bracelet)

I definitely think that, appearance-wise, Silvally looks way more like a form change than an evolution to Type:Null.

It's also interesting that you point out the "trust" requirement of its evolution, and that Gladion uses it. While Type:Null is a man-made Pokémon, it doesn't seem like one that would be commonly-made (like Porygon). So... how will the player obtain Type:Null? If Type:Null grows to trust Gladion to the point where it evolves, I'd feel awful taking it from him...

Mister Coffee October 14th, 2016 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9449378)
It was consistently pronounced that way in the movie Arceus and the Jewel of Life.

Silvally is possibly my favourite Gen 7 'mon.

Oh my goodness... I am kind of embarrassed...
All these years I have been pronouncing it as Ar-see-us.
I had to look it up and sure enough you are right. Guess I gotta start pronouncing it Ar-key-us from now on.

I'm still standing by what I said before, I think Type: Null is the cooler looking of the two. But altogether the two evolutions as a complete design are really cool and I'm looking forward to playing with it and finding out more about this pokemon family's lore.

I also suspect with the in your face relation to Arceus that this pokemon obviously has, I feel like Arceus must have some sort of important role within this game. I even suspect that Arceus maybe tied to the main plot considering we know that Gladion (a significant character to the plot) is going to be using Type: Null as his pokemon of choice.

I also have a suspicion that there might be some sort of story about Gladion becoming enraged and filled with resent in not being able to evolve his Type: Null (it may even border line on pokemon abuse) and during the story, Type: Null will choose to leave Gladion in favor of trusting the player, and that's how we will acquire Type: Null within the game.

Themicshan October 14th, 2016 8:33 PM

Silvally may be closely related to arceus. I guess we all know what this means then. Diamond and Pearl remake confirmed!

All jokes aside, I really like Silvally's design. He looks badass

Kameken October 14th, 2016 8:51 PM

My only problem with it is the ears. Combined with the huge fin wing on its head, they're a bit much.

That said, I still love it and definitely want one named Noumu to fight Arceus with.

Z25 October 14th, 2016 8:53 PM

Both are really cool, I came up with a theory based on the trailer today:

"So after today's trailer, I'm convinced Gladion is the true rival.

-He's rematched throughout the entire game, start to finish it seems.

-His Silvda in the Japanese trailer has a fire memory. It's possible he uses one to beat your starter. The scyther was just stand in for rowlett's final form.

-Seems important to the story.

-He gets a Silvda. No if we look at the description, we can see Silva is all about bonds. It says that you it won't evolve if it doesn't trust it's trainer.

So if Gladion starts with a Type Null then it clearly doesn't trust him.

Theory time: Gladion ends up becoming a better person or hero throughout events of the story. His Type Null ends up evolving because of this and he becomes an actual rival. Not evil, but respects your power and wants to get stronger. In the end, he does what Guzma didn't and is offered a trial captain spot on Aether's island. He aids you in stopping Aether and the Ultra Beasts as Silvida's power is one of the only things capable of stopping them. "

Thoughts?

Altairis October 14th, 2016 9:02 PM

Why wouldn't they spell it with a k if it was pronounced Arkeus anyway..?

Z25 October 14th, 2016 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Achromatic (Post 9449949)
Because it's Arc like Noah's Arc? Right?!

Yes, but here the K is meant to sound like the C without using the C. If that make sense...

MarinoKadame October 14th, 2016 10:03 PM

I'm wondering if multi-attack will be 100 in power like Judgment, it could also be Physical instead of Special.

Techno Blast is 120 power and Special but is limited to some types only.

SaniOKh October 15th, 2016 1:10 AM

I like the way Silvally looks, there are just two things I'm not too fond of:
  • Its ability using a whole new set of items instead of plates. They had the opportunity to make plates not completely useless for someone who didn't have a chance to get the event-exclusive Arceus, and didn't use it.
  • After its pre-evolution being named "Type: Null", I expected an equally strange name for this Pokémon.

Caaethil October 15th, 2016 4:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Coffee (Post 9449709)
I also have a suspicion that there might be some sort of story about Gladion becoming enraged and filled with resent in not being able to evolve his Type: Null (it may even border line on pokemon abuse) and during the story, Type: Null will choose to leave Gladion in favor of trusting the player, and that's how we will acquire Type: Null within the game.

This image was also in the trailer, though (this particular version is from pokemon.com). Gladion is presumably holding the memory items which change Silvally's type:
http://assets.pokemon.com/assets/cms2-en-uk/img/video-games/_tiles/pokemon-sun-moon/10142016/pokemon-sun-moon-169-en.jpg

EDIT: I've found something a bit more concrete in the Japanese trailer:
http://image.prntscr.com/image/e71888c762e4403c8b9e509b6594451a.png

Ewery1 October 15th, 2016 5:57 AM

Well it's clear that Silvally is closely related to Arceus, I wonder if he will be making his first official appearance in a Pokemon game ever?

Mister Coffee October 15th, 2016 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Caaethil (Post 9450314)
Spoiler:
This image was also in the trailer, though (this particular version is from pokemon.com). Gladion is presumably holding the memory items which change Silvally's type:
http://assets.pokemon.com/assets/cms2-en-uk/img/video-games/_tiles/pokemon-sun-moon/10142016/pokemon-sun-moon-169-en.jpg

EDIT: I've found something a bit more concrete in the Japanese trailer:
http://image.prntscr.com/image/e71888c762e4403c8b9e509b6594451a.png

I was so busy paying attention to the reveal of Silvally that I didn't even notice Gladion standing so obviously in all of the pictures.

Well then I guess the next big question worth asking is, since it seems obvious that Gladion manages to hold on to his Type: Null through its entire evolution cycle, then does that mean that we get our hands on our own Type: Null?
Also makes me wonder what category this pokemon will fall under, is it a Legend, Pseudo Legend, or just a really rare normal pokemon?

Assuming this Type: Null is not a regular old pokemon that can be caught uncommonly in weird area... If it's a unique Legendary, than you would think that if Gladion has it through its entire evolution cycle and then through a weird plot point hands it over to us, then that would mean we would never be able to acquire the pokedex entry for Type: Null, which doesn't really make much sense.

If we go with the idea that Type: Null is a Pseudo Legendary, than we have to ask completely different questions like, Where did this man made pokemon come from, who in their right mind made multiple of them in the first place, where can we acquire it, and how does having multiple of these Legend Killer pokemon affect you, Gladion, and even the other Legendary pokemon within the games, also will there eventually be an awkward moment where the player and Gladion face each others Silvallys against one another?

SaniOKh October 15th, 2016 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Coffee (Post 9450458)
Assuming this Type: Null is not a regular old pokemon that can be caught uncommonly in weird area... If it's a unique Legendary, than you would think that if Gladion has it through its entire evolution cycle and then through a weird plot point hands it over to us, then that would mean we would never be able to acquire the pokedex entry for Type: Null, which doesn't really make much sense.

Here's a horrible thought: what if Game Freak decided to make Type: Null specifically an event-exclusive, and not its evolution, which is unable to reproduce? It's not like they've never made a member of an evolutionary family event-exclusive before (Manaphy) .

Kameken October 15th, 2016 7:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SaniOKh (Post 9450478)
Here's a horrible thought: what if Game Freak decided to make Type: Null specifically an event-exclusive, and not its evolution, which is unable to reproduce? It's not like they've never made a member of an evolutionary family event-exclusive before (Manaphy) .

Eh, Manaphy and Phione aren't really an evolutionary family, they're more just... a family. Neither evolves at all.

Rivvon October 15th, 2016 7:41 AM

Just some fun facts for everyone saying that Arceus absolutely has to be pronounced "Ar-kay-us" now. I present to you, the Japanese name:
アルセウス
A ru se u su
Ar-see-us

The Japanese Ability even plays into it with the ARシステム (AR System, or, if you say it really fast, Arceus-tem?). Maybe the reason why Sillvady's Ability has RKS rather than RCS is because it's not close enough to the real thing to use the real pronunciation!

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Originally Posted by Themicshan (Post 9449907)
Silvally may be closely related to arceus. I guess we all know what this means then. Diamond and Pearl remake confirmed!

I wouldn't even consider it as a joke, to be honest. It's clear this thing is gonna tie in with Arceus, and Arceus could use a bit more lore, too. DP(P) remakes with a connection to SM and a post-game episode revolving around Giratina and Arceus could definitely be in the cards now (like how ORAS drew a lot of parallels with XY). I think it's of importance that despite all the gen 1 pandering in SM, they chose to make a Pokémon based off of Arceus and not, say, Mewtwo or Mew.

Mister Coffee October 15th, 2016 7:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9450526)
I wouldn't even consider it as a joke, to be honest. It's clear this thing is gonna tie in with Arceus, and Arceus could use a bit more lore, too. DP(P) remakes with a connection to SM and a post-game episode revolving around Giratina and Arceus could definitely be in the cards now (like how ORAS drew a lot of parallels with XY). I think it's of importance that despite all the gen 1 pandering in SM, they chose to make a Pokémon based off of Arceus and not, say, Mewtwo or Mew.

It's almost like, "It all comes together." doesn't it? :P

Rivvon October 15th, 2016 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Coffee (Post 9450533)
It's almost like, "It all comes together." doesn't it? :P

Alola = hot region
Sinnoh = cold region
Hot + Cold = Balance
Alola + Sinnoh = Gen 7 ?!

It was in front of our faces this whole time!!

Mister Coffee October 15th, 2016 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9450551)
Alola = hot region
Sinnoh = cold region
Hot + Cold = Balance
Alola + Sinnoh = Gen 7 ?!

It was in front of our faces this whole time!!

SINNOH CONFIRMED!!!!!! :P

Well, all joking aside, lets look at what we know so far.

We have all of our Alola forms from Kanto, which in turn is our Kanto influence for Alola.
We have our inclusion of Zygarde with its various cores and possibly significant plot points, which gives us our Kalos influence for Alola.
Now we have Type: Null and Silvally who has an obvious connection to Arceus, which gives us our Sinnoh influence for Alola.

So we just need plot points for Johto, Hoenn, and Unova, and then Alola will truly be bringing all of the games together within the plot in one way or another.
Just food for thought.

Caaethil October 15th, 2016 9:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 9450526)
Just some fun facts for everyone saying that Arceus absolutely has to be pronounced "Ar-kay-us" now. I present to you, the Japanese name:
アルセウス
A ru se u su
Ar-see-us

The Japanese Ability even plays into it with the ARシステム (AR System, or, if you say it really fast, Arceus-tem?). Maybe the reason why Sillvady's Ability has RKS rather than RCS is because it's not close enough to the real thing to use the real pronunciation!

Let's have a look at the history of this controversial little name:
  1. Pokemon Battle Revolution first pronounces it Ar-See-Us
  2. It was pronounced Ar-Kay-Us in a trailer for Arceus and the Jewel of Life.
  3. A pokemon.com mailbag formally confirmed that the name is pronounced Ar-Kee-Us, outright stating that older pronunciations were incorrect.
  4. In the film itself, it was pronounced Ar-Kee-Us.
  5. Pokedex 3D Pro pronounces it Ar-Kee-Us.

Ding ding ding - we have a winner! :D

Nah October 15th, 2016 10:11 AM

I doubt Arceus will make a full on appearance in the storyline or actually be important to it, but at the same time I suppose it's possible since Deoxys, formerly an event-only legendary, made it into ORAS's story via the Delta Episode.

As for the pronunciation of Arceus, I've always pronounced it Ark-ee-us, which I guess is essentially the same thing as Ar-kee-us, so I guess I've been doing it right if Caaethil's post is anything to go by lol

Really though the two Pokemon (Type Null/Silvally and Arceus) are fascinating and I hope they get a lot of lore expansion in Sun/Moon.

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Originally Posted by SaniOKh (Post 9450161)
Its ability using a whole new set of items instead of plates. They had the opportunity to make plates not completely useless for someone who didn't have a chance to get the event-exclusive Arceus, and didn't use it.

Plates still have the use of boosting the power of moves of the same type as the plate. They're on rare occasion used in certain sets for Pokemon.

Silvally needing these new items rather than the plates is probably because whether it was made to fight Arceus or to be an Arceus re-creation or whatever it's purpose is, it is not Arceus, and so can't make use of the plates in the same manner.

SaniOKh October 15th, 2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kameken (Post 9450508)
Eh, Manaphy and Phione aren't really an evolutionary family, they're more just... a family. Neither evolves at all.

Manaphy can lay eggs from which Phione hatch. IMHO, it's close enough ^^.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9450689)
Plates still have the use of boosting the power of moves of the same type as the plate. They're on rare occasion used in certain sets for Pokemon.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. My bad.


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