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Mr. Meme October 19th, 2016 2:36 PM

Whatever the case, I can't wait to fight the champion's final Pokemon with Beltigre while shouting "I AM BECOME LASAGA" at the top of my lungs.

Hell, I've already created a really dumb story in my head where Silvally and Beltigre are the reincarnations of Odiey and Garfielf, and how they're on a mission to find the reincarnated versions of all the major characters that died during Fist of the B0rf Star. Also, I think that Gladion is the reincarnated form of Calbin.

Nobody gets what I'm saying, do they?

Centipede Chan October 19th, 2016 2:50 PM

I heard about El Tigre being Fire/Dark, which I kinda hope it would be since it would basically be the cat version of the Houndour family. Still going with Robinhoot though. As for Popplio, no. I don't hate it AS much when Popplio first came into sight, but I just was never interested in any water Starters that weren't Totodile or Oshawott.

Caaethil October 19th, 2016 3:03 PM

I'll never understand why people care so much about the typing. Sure, let's say it's Fire/Dark. So what? It's still a fighter. GameFreak have still gone down the horribly overdone design route as in three other generations. The actual typing itself is irrelevant, right?

Does making it Fire/Fighting really ruin it? Well, I suppose a more appropriate question is: does making it Fire/Dark really salvage it?

It looks like a fighter, it fights like a fighter, it'll have a gazillion fighting type moves no matter what. In principle, it's another Fire/Fighting starter, if you get what I mean.

Does this even make sense? I can't tell.

Florges October 19th, 2016 3:05 PM

I don't mind Pokemon being bipedal as long as they are unique. Delphox is my favorite starter because of how unique it is compared to the other fire starters. Litten could have easily been a bulky sabertooth tiger on four legs, but the fact that they made it looks like another Emboar makes it not unique. And this is coming from someone who LOVES Emboar.

When Litten's Japanese name was first leaked, I was so excited about my fire starter being a cat this time around. Then Litten was shown and I was not impressed. I mean, it looked okay, but they could have done something a lot cuter or something. Now it just reminds me of the children I teach, quiet, don't show emotion, and then suddenly like to play dirty. It's not cool.

PageEmp October 19th, 2016 10:29 PM

I don't think he's gonna end up being Fire/Fighting, and I do hope not. Despite being all muscly and having cool arms, he doean't strike me hard enough with a 'fighting' vibe and all in all I think he shouldn't end up being a fighter, especially since we already have 3 of them. He should be Fire/Dark instead.

Unrelated but I think the water starter's final form looks awesome and it's not just my fav final form amongst the gen7 starters but my fav of all the individual species of the gen7 starters.

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Originally Posted by Hands (Post 9455929)
I really like both fire and grass lines this time round, not keen on water though.

Take that back. Now.

TheKojo October 19th, 2016 11:11 PM

I am 100% fine with it as long as it's Fire/Dark.

I like Rowlet's evolution too. I don't care for Popplio's that much.

Green Pidgeot October 19th, 2016 11:32 PM

I guess when you say 'cat Pokémon' this kind of final form isn't what they were hoping fr?

PkmnTrainerElio October 20th, 2016 1:21 AM

All three of the starters final evos seem to be the worst out of all the final starter evolutions. Litten3 and Popplio3 are both ugly and just too masculine and feminine... I don't like them, I don't want a wrestler and a mermaid, I was 1ooking forward to a quadrupedal tiger (which strangely we haven't got yet...) and a circus performer/clown/jester (which would have been more fitting for Popplio). Rowlet3 is just as ugly... Their final evos don't even resemble their second evos (and most starters final evos usually their second evos), their second evos looked so promising, except Brionne... Seeing all the fan-art of a bulky tiger, circus performer and a snobbish owl hurts me now. Seeing an archer, wrestler and mermaid put me off, maybe I'll get a few Everstones...

Hikamaru October 20th, 2016 1:36 AM

I personally don't think the design is that bad, but I can understand why Litten's final evolution is copping the heavy disliking. To people who look at Pokemon from a design aspect, the idea used is not original for a starter, since Emboar was also themed around wrestling in a way.

However, there is that leak that mentions Fire/Dark as its possible typing (along with Water/Fairy for Popplio's) and with a bit of research it's a heel wrestler, which are known to use dirty tricks, a trait associated with the Dark-type.

I can get why Rowlet and Popplio's final evolutions are getting the good reception, because an archer and a siren/mermaid concept are new and original, even if the latter has been copping slack for being too "female" for a Pokemon with an 87.5% male ratio. It's still a fresh concept and I love it. Besides, there's always the option to dump the starter in the PC if you don't like it.

For me, Litten's heel wrestler theme doesn't bother me much but I can understand why it's going to make Litten the least chosen Alola starter. The final evolution is to them, what makes Litten a Tepig 2.0.

PkmnTrainerElio October 20th, 2016 2:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9456971)
For me, Litten's heel wrestler theme doesn't bother me much but I can understand why it's going to make Litten the least chosen Alola starter. The final evolution is to them, what makes Litten a Tepig 2.0.

Now that you say this, your 5th Gen connection theory gains even more credibility. I might warm up to Litten3 tho... Popplio3 should have a gender difference though. Male Popplio evolves into a Merman, while female Popplio evolves into a Mermaid...

classiccartoonsftw October 20th, 2016 2:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Voldemario (Post 9456984)
Now that you say this, your 5th Gen connection theory gains even more credibility. I might warm up to Litten3 tho... Popplio3 should have a gender difference though. Male Popplio evolves into a Merman, while female Popplio evolves into a Mermaid...

Shouldn't male Popplio3 get a slightly different design from female Popplio3 then?

Green Pidgeot October 20th, 2016 5:02 AM

A heel wrestler would have to be Fire/Fighting. It's stll a wrestler.

Hikamaru October 20th, 2016 6:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Voldemario (Post 9456984)
Now that you say this, your 5th Gen connection theory gains even more credibility. I might warm up to Litten3 tho... Popplio3 should have a gender difference though. Male Popplio evolves into a Merman, while female Popplio evolves into a Mermaid...

Yeah, Unova connection theory for the win. I actually predicted Grass would be the most chosen starter for this generation, Fire the least chosen and Water being in the middle, just like the Unova starters when their final evolutions were revealed, and coincidentally both the Unova and Alola starters' final evolutions were leaked before even being revealed officially.

I first brought up the theory when I saw the first starter popularity polls, with Rowlet often leading, Litten in the middle and Popplio in last, which was also the case for Snivy, Tepig and Oshawott respectively when they were first revealed. Litten has pretty much ended up like Tepig in that they both have wrestler-themed final evolutions and the concern of being Fire/Fighting (which ended up being true for Tepig's evolutions) while Popplio turned out to have an awesome final evolution and win the crowd back, like what happened to Oshawott.

I do believe Litten's final evolution won't be Fire/Fighting since the three Fire/Fighting starters all gained the Fighting-type in the middle stage, which didn't happen in Torracat's case. Dark seems more fitting for Litten line's colour scheme and the heel wrestler basis.

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Originally Posted by classiccartoonsftw (Post 9456988)
Shouldn't male Popplio3 get a slightly different design from female Popplio3 then?

I know the male is the "default" gender difference of some Pokemon, but since we haven't had a starter with gender differences outside of Venusaur, Meganium and the Torchic line, I am doubting it. The Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos and now likely Alola starters all had no gender differences.

Esper October 20th, 2016 8:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Pidgeot (Post 9457114)
A heel wrestler would have to be Fire/Fighting. It's stll a wrestler.

Stunfisk is a fish, but it's not a Water-type. Flygon is (partially) a dragonfly, but it is neither Bug- nor Flying-type. Pokemon don't have to take the most common or first associations that one might think they should.

Green Pidgeot October 20th, 2016 8:44 AM

A wrestler isn't a species. Though that would really change taxonomy. Maybe for the better?

MarinoKadame October 20th, 2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Esper (Post 9457308)
Stunfisk is a fish, but it's not a Water-type. Flygon is (partially) a dragonfly, but it is neither Bug- nor Flying-type. Pokemon don't have to take the most common or first associations that one might think they should.

Flygon is an Antlion tho.

http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/antlio1b.jpg

CidHazard October 22nd, 2016 4:47 AM

Based on Toracats entry i'm almost 100% sure that this is going to be a fire/dark type (Hopefully)

My reasoning: As the flavor text says "Torracat has a great love for battle and will attack so relentlessly that its opponents lose the will to fight. and he cat punch that this Pokémon can dish out with its strong forelegs is extremely powerful. It can bend iron bars and knock out large men with a single blow!"

Basing on the pokemon's design and the last part of the discription... The final evo is a Pro wrestler. but it's a Heel wrestler (In wrestling: The bad guy basically) looking at the "Lose the will to fight line". Pro-wrestling is a never ending battle of good and evil (Storyline) and there are two types of pro wrestler psychologies.

Face (The hero) - The one the fan cheers, always fighting honorably, not giving up, and fighting until the very end. Think John Cena or Hulkamania Hulk Hogan. In pokemon this is the fighting type is Machoke and Howlucha. Both Pokemon based on a wrestler the latter being a Luchadore.

Heel (The Villain) - The one the fan's boo. Fighting dirty, using foreign objects, poking enemies in the eye, cheating, low blows, using outside interference. There are many types of heels there are ruthless bad asses Think Brock Lesnar or Cowardly heels who always turns tail and runs think Rick Flair.

Litten's final evo is a play on the Ruthless bad ass heel. Dark type is the Evil type in japanese right? the fire/dark typing would fit a Heel Wrestler Pokemon Pokemon perfectly.

Look at the lower right hand side... The final evo is smashing a pokemon with a foreign object. An Announcers table most likely.

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/starter-evolutions-litten.jpg

Princess Sapphire October 22nd, 2016 5:59 AM

Rowlet and Popplio's final forms now make more sense, but Litten's just doesn't. Not to mention it is ugly as hell. It should be on all fours and much more tiger-like, like Torracat is












Personally, I feel like them leaving the Pokémon images in the demo was intentional. I also feel that the reason why that is, is because some of the Pokémon showed, might actually be fake. A few just do not look right. So with that in in mind, that means the whole Pokédex is still not complete, and on top of that, we still do not what "secret" the starters have. That's why I feel Litten's final form might still be fake

clbgolden October 22nd, 2016 7:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Sapphire (Post 9459587)
Personally, I feel like them leaving the Pokémon images in the demo was intentional. I also feel that the reason why that is, is because some of the Pokémon showed, might actually be fake. A few just do not look right. So with that in in mind, that means the whole Pokédex is still not complete, and on top of that, we still do not what "secret" the starters have. That's why I feel Litten's final form might still be fake

No offense dude, but this is really straw grasping. Maybe there's a slim chance that they took out some of the new Pokémon to mess with us so we'd think that there are only a few new 'Mons, but any Pokémon in the data are probably 100% real. I highly doubt GameFreak would have their designers make a bunch of fake 3D models.

CidHazard October 22nd, 2016 7:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Green Pidgeot (Post 9457114)
A heel wrestler would have to be Fire/Fighting. It's stll a wrestler.

Not necessarily... Dark type is Evil type after all... Also Heels don't tend to fight fair, using foreign objects or having others kick the crap out of face's or using illegal moves: Poking the eyes of the opponent, biting.

Moves like:

Beat up, Fake tears, Faint attack, Foul play,Fling, Payback, Nasty plot, Knock off, Punishment, Sucker punch. Not only sound good for a heel wrestler, but thematically consistent to the psychology of heel wrestling. Just read the descriptions these moves and watch heel wrestlers fight.

Here's a full match with a heel Prince devitt (The guy with the face paint) and his lackeys:


Princess Sapphire October 22nd, 2016 10:21 AM

@ clbgolden


No offense taken, but,


1, I'm a girl, and 2, think about it. Why else would they leave all the images to be found, but not have the names and type data? They still want to throw us off and keep us guessing. I feel they actually learned from last time


True, I didn't play the ORAS demo, and I am not planning on this one either, but that much I can be sure of. They're giving us the images, a glimpse of the other Pokémon, but it's still not everything

clbgolden October 22nd, 2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Sapphire (Post 9459812)
@ clbgolden


No offense taken, but,


1, I'm a girl, and 2, think about it. Why else would they leave all the images to be found, but not have the names and type data? They still want to throw us off and keep us guessing. I feel they actually learned from last time


True, I didn't play the ORAS demo, and I am not planning on this one either, but that much I can be sure of. They're giving us the images, a glimpse of the other Pokémon, but it's still not everything

Yes, maybe it's not everything, but I still highly doubt any of the datamine images are fakes made by GameFreak.

Green Pidgeot October 22nd, 2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Princess Sapphire (Post 9459587)
Rowlet and Popplio's final forms now make more sense, but Litten's just doesn't. Not to mention it is ugly as hell. It should be on all fours and much more tiger-like, like Torracat

Even if not on all fours, you're right, it's a diffaerent direction than Torracat's design. It's slightly sudden and most probably would accept Torracat but if they like Litten were probbly not hoping for this kind of thing. It's really extravagant a change, but for little reasin.

Princess Sapphire October 22nd, 2016 12:55 PM

Yeah, too different. And the same thing goes for Pikipek's evolutions. You can't go from a woodpecker to a toucan. They're totally different birds


Basically put, as neat as a lot of the Pokémon images from the datamine are, until I see Sugimori art, I will not believe them to be real. And that's how all the datamine info should be seen as

MKC October 22nd, 2016 3:05 PM

I don't see how Torracat is too different to the final evo by any means, pretty much everything on it's description matches it's final evolution, it loves to fight and purposely discourages the opponent to win the fight, if that doesn't point a heel wrestler I don't know what does.
Also it's main attack consists on punching, which to do so stands on 2 legs as depicted by concept art, so I don't see how him evolving to mainly stay on 2 legs doesn't make sense, it makes perfect sense for it to stand up to properly punch it's opponents.

The evolution is not 100% confirmed by any means, but seeing as nothing has disproved the leaks, the fact that they are in the game and that all of the starter evolutions make perfect sense it's highly unlikely for them to not be true, which is perfectly fine by me, I love Litten's final evo to death and whenever he gets confirmed (and hopefully he does!) I'm gonna be beyond happy!


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