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Flowerchild October 24th, 2016 10:11 PM

Strangely typed moves
 
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Bonemerang (Japanese: ホネブーメラン Bone Boomerang) is a damage-dealing Ground-type multi-strike move introduced in Generation I. It is one of Cubone and Marowak's signature moves.

Okay, it's a signature move, so typically it's the same type as the Pokémon it belongs to. Still, this particular example and a few others have always struck me as pretty nonsensical. You're throwing a bone. There's no reason for birds to being immune to being struck in midair by a flying bone.

Any other moves you can think of that have bizarre typing? What do you think could be the reason for it?

AliceBlaze October 25th, 2016 12:48 AM

I don't understand what makes Wide Guard a Rock type move. For those who don't know, it's a move that protects Pokemon from moves such as surf that hit multiple Pokemon in double and triple battles.

I'll never understand why Mega Punch and Mega Kick are still Normal types rather than Fighting.

Fritz October 25th, 2016 12:53 AM

I'm not sure why Splash is a Normal type move, even though it is clearly more related to water than anything else.

Adam Levine October 25th, 2016 12:59 AM

Signal Beam, Silver Wind, and U-Turn all being Bug-type. WHAT?!

And how are Peck, Pluck, and Drill Peck Flying? Those are just body parts... I get that Game Freak is trying to balance typings, but...

Oh, yeah. Also Sucker Punch being a Dark-type move, Play Rough being Fairy-type (though we need a physical Fairy-type move sooner or later), and Rest and Amnesia being Psychic.

Boynsy October 25th, 2016 1:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lysander (Post 9462540)
I'm not sure why Splash is a Normal type move, even though it is clearly more related to water than anything else.

I think if I remember correctly, the Japanese name of Splash is something like Hop - which is why Hoppip can learn it too.

blue October 25th, 2016 2:55 AM

Mega Punch and Mega Kick being Normal-type has always baffled me. It would suit them so much better if they were both Fighting-type.

Charlie Brown October 25th, 2016 4:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9462542)
Play Rough being Fairy-type (though we need a physical Fairy-type move sooner or later)

I guess because it looks like a friendly move (hearts and whatnot for its animation) but is actually not?? Like you can imagine fairies deceiving others and acting all friendly but then playing rough. The Japanese name is Frolic but that again doesn't give much context lol.

I just looked up U-turn as well and Bulbapedia says:

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U-turn may be Bug-type because its Japanese name contains とんぼ (tonbo), which means dragonfly.
Which I thought was quite interesting. I guess the concept of u-turning could apply to bugs - running in one direction to attack and then changing tact and fleeing - but it's a pretty weak connection imo.

Esper October 25th, 2016 11:10 AM

A lot are either odd translation choices or idioms in Japanese. U-turn (Japanese: とんぼがえり / tonbogaeri / "round-trip") is an idiom that means going back to where you started without stopping and (for whatever reason) uses the word for dragonfly, probably because of something dragonflies seem to do. Like how we say "piece of cake" and it has nothing to do with sweets and baked goods.

But, yeah Mega Kick and some of those are still a little weird. Why is Coil a Posion-type move when not all snakes and snake-like Pokemon are Posion-types?

Nah October 25th, 2016 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9462542)
And how are Peck, Pluck, and Drill Peck Flying? Those are just body parts... I get that Game Freak is trying to balance typings, but...

Oh, yeah. Also Sucker Punch being a Dark-type move

It's probably because Flying is also heavily associated with birds. It's mostly bird Pokemon that learn those moves, as birds are the most likely thing to peck you (like when has a fish ever pecked someone?).

Sucker Punch being Dark likely has to do with Dark type being "Evil type" in Japan. A sucker punch is basically an attack without the slightest bit of warning--something that might be seen as a dirty trick or dishonorable by some.

Lunar October 25th, 2016 12:41 PM

Mega Punch is definitely for a strange one for me, I mean it says Punch in the name so surely it should be a fighting move...

I feel like U-Turn should be normal type though, there isn't really anything that makes that seem like a bug type move.

PageEmp October 25th, 2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9462542)
Signal Beam, Silver Wind, and U-Turn all being Bug-type. WHAT?!
U-turn makes sense as a bug attack to me. I dunno, but I think it's easy to see bugs attacking and then returning back I guess. For the other 2 would you rather have almost zro special bug attacks?

And how are Peck, Pluck, and Drill Peck Flying? Those are just body parts... I get that Game Freak is trying to balance typings, but...
Correction, they are BIRD body parts. Of course, flyers are accosiated with birds, and so pecking attacks are considered flying attacks. Its basic sense :P

Oh, yeah. Also Sucker Punch being a Dark-type move, Play Rough being Fairy-type (though we need a physical Fairy-type move sooner or later), and Rest and Amnesia being Psychic.
Apparently, I heard(though not 100% sure) that Sucker punch's actual name is....ambush. I was confused like you at first too but when I heard that I understood. I guess that also explains why it (somehow) isn't considered an actual punching attack. Play rough makes sense as basically, it's the mon playfully attacking the opponent, so I guess it makes half sense. But for Rest I agree.


Lycanthropy October 27th, 2016 6:45 AM

Lick. It has always struck me as odd that Lick is a Ghost type move. I get the Gastly line are Ghosts, but even in Gen I Lick wasn't their signature move. Pokémon that learn it now can have literally any type and Gastly en co are still the only Ghosts. With a move as Lick you'd at least expect Lickitung to get STAB on it, right?

Also, I can see why they made Will-O-Wisp a Fire type move, but Ghost would have made more sense to me.

AliceBlaze October 27th, 2016 11:59 PM

I used to get confused as to why Mirror Move is a Flying type move that can only be learned by bird based Pokemon until I found out its Japanese name is Parrot Mimicry.

I found out recently that Silver Wind is a Bug type move because it's actually dust/powder that the bug is producing rather than actual wind.

Why is Flash Cannon a Steel type? I don't see how it has anything to do with metal of any kind.

PageEmp October 29th, 2016 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AliceBlaze (Post 9466273)
Why is Flash Cannon a Steel type? I don't see how it has anything to do with metal of any kind.

FC makes perfect sense as a steel attack to me. Imagine like, an invisible metal substance being shot at the opponent. Same for Mirror shot. Secondly similar to what I said in my reply to Waterproof: would you rather Steel attacks to be only physical?

AliceBlaze October 30th, 2016 1:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PageEmperor (Post 9467699)
FC makes perfect sense as a steel attack to me. Imagine like, an invisible metal substance being shot at the opponent. Same for Mirror shot.

I see now, that makes sense. I knew why Mirror Shot is Steel because it involves the Pokemon reflecting light off their shining body and metal tends to be shiny and reflective.

Sektor October 30th, 2016 10:13 AM

Tri-Attack. I love the move, but it's a Normal type move. Despite Tri-Attack being Electric/Fire/Ice Ghost type Pokémon are immune to the attack.

Explosion and Self-Destruct are both Normal type moves and Physical attacks. Neither Explosion or Self-Destruct are Special attacks, giving no Special equivalent of fainting moves . They also do not hit Ghost types and are resisted by Rock type Pokémon, despite dynamite being developed for blasting and mining purposes to... I don't know... EXCAVATE ROCK.

Adam Levine November 2nd, 2016 6:57 PM

Why are Bite and Crunch Dark? Is it because biting is bad? Or perhaps the inside of a mouth is dark?

Ewery1 November 2nd, 2016 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9462542)
And how are Peck, Pluck, and Drill Peck Flying? Those are just body parts... I get that Game Freak is trying to balance typings, but...

Oh, yeah. Also Sucker Punch being a Dark-type move, Play Rough being Fairy-type (though we need a physical Fairy-type move sooner or later), and Rest and Amnesia being Psychic.

Peck, Pluck, and Drill Peck all relate to beaks, something that is primarily associated with birds, most of which are flying type. I think this makes total sense.

Sucker Punch is a dark type move because dark types are associated with unfair tactics and to sucker punch is to attack someone while they aren't prepared to fight or for the punch. Play Rough is known as Frolic in Japanese and it's associated with like just having fun and playing, except maybe with a creature unaware of its own strength so it does damage. Amnesia is about the mind->psychic.

5qwerty November 2nd, 2016 8:52 PM

Why is Dual Chop a Dragon-type move? (weeb name is double chop, so don't try pulling some japan origin crap on me)

also acid totally should beat steel types

Ammy175 November 5th, 2016 7:27 PM

I'm surprised nobody's brought up Dragon Ascent yet. Perhaps it's just me, but I always think the move's Dragon type, not Flying.

Khoshi November 5th, 2016 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9462542)
Signal Beam, Silver Wind, and U-Turn all being Bug-type. WHAT?!

Hmm, how about I try to piece together things. Signal Beam sounds at the very least Electric-type (I'm thinking like wifi stuff), though it could make sense when we think of an insect's antennae and how they send signals, or maybe bee/wasp social behaviour. Silver Wind...well, I see it as this giant moth thing throwing its particles at you with wind. I just have to remember that these bugs aren't tiny anymore aha. U-Turn has to be the one I'm unsure of. Wasps do like to sting multiple times, so..

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9462542)
Amnesia being Psychic.

Psychology, as amnesia is a state of memory loss. I don't get why memory loss boosts your defenses, but whatever I suppose.


As for how I feel about the topic, the move Techno Blast sounds like it should be Electric-type. Maybe I've been listening to too much EDM, I dunno. Same with Flash Cannon, I don't get how it's Steel-type. Whenever I think "flash of energy", my mind leaps to electricity.

Dewmonic Abyss November 6th, 2016 7:57 AM

I have yet to see why Rest is a psychic move. I feel like Normal makes more sense. Is it not normal to rest? I mean, if it was more along the lines of meditating, then yeah, but it's literally just the Pokemon falling asleep. xD

5qwerty November 6th, 2016 11:46 AM

shouldn't psycho cut be dark or something? just think of a psychotic man with a knife, that's pretty dark and/or evil.

Yeah, Rest being Psychic is kind of weird. Maybe it's a special type of rest? You are getting rid of your poison/burn/paralysis by sleeping.

L'Belle November 6th, 2016 12:08 PM

Why is mist an ice type move?

pryce10 November 7th, 2016 1:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9473504)
Why are Bite and Crunch Dark? Is it because biting is bad? Or perhaps the inside of a mouth is dark?

because biting and crunching via mouth is a foul play and not an honourable warrior would do.
Most dark type moves ( like Night slash) are based on a concept of combat pragmatist- in which a user would do anything especially dirty tactics- to win.

Adam Levine November 7th, 2016 2:36 AM

Let me guess- Belch is Poison-typed because burping is disgusting.

As for Confide, why is it a Normal move, rather than a Dark move, using that logic?

And why is Chatter Flying?

Bluephoenix97x November 12th, 2016 3:16 AM

WHY is MIrror Move Flying-Type?

Flowerchild November 12th, 2016 3:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix97x (Post 9484299)
WHY is MIrror Move Flying-Type?

It's Parrot Mimicry in Japanese, apparently, so it makes a bit of sense.

Hikamaru November 12th, 2016 4:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Waterproof (Post 9478576)
And why is Chatter Flying?

I guess it was because Chatot (who is the only user of said move) is a special attacker and Game Freak wanted some kind of Flying STAB move on it, along with fitting its gimmick of partly being based on a parrot.

One move I never understood the typing of was U-Turn. There's nothing lore-wise that suggests why it's a Bug-type move.

PageEmp November 14th, 2016 1:14 AM

Rest being a Psychic move....why? Is it because sleeping relaxes the mind so it's Psychic? If not I don't get it. I can understand pretty much every other move being a certain type but Rest being Psychic...I dun get it.


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