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janejane6178 October 25th, 2016 7:54 AM

Solgaleo and Lunaala comparing to previous generation's box legendaries?
 
Hello, so gen 7 two main legendaries are Solgaleo(Psychic/Steel) and Lunaala (Psychic/Ghost) .
I would love to hear your opinions and thoughts of them ( design, concept and typing wise of course because we still don't have the chance to play them in game).

I personally find the concept of these two legendaries really refreshing and unique. Their designs might be too complex and detailed but I still find them attractive.
I do however find gen 6 mascots (Xerneas and Yveltal) the best box legendaries so far, design wise and concept wise. I mean- the Pokemon of life and the Pokemon of death? Thats an awesome concept.
Would like to hear your opinions <3

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/39/13/ed/3913ed058b3e23117a24ab0527eb49ad.jpg

Rivvon October 25th, 2016 12:32 PM

They're not bad. I like Lunala more than gen 3 and 4's mascots (not including Giratina, though, because Giratina is great), while I'd rank Solgaleo on par with them. But the mascots of gen 2, 5, and 6 I like more, design-wise--and possibly lore-wise, although to be fair we don't know the exact in-game lore of Solgaleo and Lunala. But I like the idea of "life vs. death" and "yin and yang" more than "the sun and the moon." Lunala being a bat is super clever, though.

Nah October 25th, 2016 12:56 PM

It's kind of hard for them to beat the Gen V Tao Trio for me really. Tao Trio features an abstract concept (unlike all the other ones), they're all of my favorite type, and they factor into the story and lore far more than other set of box legends (which are usually little more than the thing the villain team wants to use to do bad things with, and tend to get little lore expansion, with rare exceptions like Giratina and Rayquaza).

It's hard to make a judgement tho since we know so little about them and haven't been able to use them yet. But Game Freak has their work cut out for them if they wanna make box legendaries I like more than Gen V's.

KipKipFox October 25th, 2016 1:04 PM

Solagaleo and Lunala are pretty cool.

The concept is okay but mediocre compared to the other box legends in my opinion. We had land/sea/sky, time/space, good/evil/neutral, life/death/balance...then just sun/moon. It's not bad, I like the concept of a sun and moon pokemon, but it's just okay compared to the other concepts. And tbh I always thought Darkrai and Cresselia already represented the moon.

The designs, like every box legendary, are awesome. Solagaleo and Lunala match each other very well design wise, and still look awesome on their own. Not much left to say.

The typings though don't make too much sense. I'm fine with both being psychic, but Solagaleo should NOT be steel type. He doesn't look it, and why should a pokemon based off the sun be steel-type? If the sun is made of fire, shouldn't it be fire-type? Also, it just feels ironic for the sun pokemon to be weak to fire... as for Lunala, ghost-type fits well enough. I feel dark-type would fit it more though. Also, 4x weak to both ghost and dark is pretty sad. I know Hoopa has the same type, but at least it changes when it becomes unbound.

All in all, pretty cool. Not the best but cool. So far I'd rank:

1. Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem
2. Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde
3. Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza
4. Solagaleo/Lunala/???
5. Dialga/Palkia/Giratina
6. Lugia/Ho-oh

Iron Tiff October 25th, 2016 1:12 PM

I like both, but strongly prefer Solgaleo. My all time favorite box cover Pokémon would be Lugia and Ho-oh.

Degurchaff October 25th, 2016 1:21 PM

Lunaala is by far the most epic looking legendary i have seen since Rayquaza.

kingdenas October 25th, 2016 2:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KipKipFox (Post 9463130)
The typings though don't make too much sense. I'm fine with both being psychic, but Solagaleo should NOT be steel type. He doesn't look it, and why should a pokemon based off the sun be steel-type? If the sun is made of fire, shouldn't it be fire-type?

Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe because the Sun has some metals in its composition, like iron, magnesium and silicon (even though it's primarily made of Hydrogen and Helium). I do get your point though. I wouldn't mind Solgaleo being Fire/Psychic!

blue October 25th, 2016 2:28 PM

I've grown to really like Solgaleo and Lunala, more so than most box legendaries. I'd place these two on par with Dialga and Palkia who are my second favourite pair of legendaries right behind Kyogre and Groudon.

janejane6178 October 25th, 2016 2:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KipKipFox (Post 9463130)
Solagaleo and Lunala are pretty cool.

The concept is okay but mediocre compared to the other box legends in my opinion. We had land/sea/sky, time/space, good/evil/neutral, life/death/balance...then just sun/moon. It's not bad, I like the concept of a sun and moon pokemon, but it's just okay compared to the other concepts. And tbh I always thought Darkrai and Cresselia already represented the moon.

The designs, like every box legendary, are awesome. Solagaleo and Lunala match each other very well design wise, and still look awesome on their own. Not much left to say.

The typings though don't make too much sense. I'm fine with both being psychic, but Solagaleo should NOT be steel type. He doesn't look it, and why should a pokemon based off the sun be steel-type? If the sun is made of fire, shouldn't it be fire-type? Also, it just feels ironic for the sun pokemon to be weak to fire... as for Lunala, ghost-type fits well enough. I feel dark-type would fit it more though. Also, 4x weak to both ghost and dark is pretty sad. I know Hoopa has the same type, but at least it changes when it becomes unbound.

All in all, pretty cool. Not the best but cool. So far I'd rank:

1. Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem
2. Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde
3. Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza
4. Solagaleo/Lunala/???
5. Dialga/Palkia/Giratina
6. Lugia/Ho-oh

You made some interesting points out there. I had no idea that the Unova trio represented good/evil/neutral, good to know that.
I think that the gen 6 concept (life/death/balance) was the most unique , with the biggest potential out of any of the other gens, but unfortunatelly GF didnt fully utilize it ( But thats a topic for another thread ).
Anyhow, Its indeed true that the gen 7 mascots represent the Sun/Moon but perhaps there's something deeper than that? Lets wait and see :)

SightlessReality October 25th, 2016 5:48 PM

Well regarding Solgaleo's typing, I think Lockstin does a good job explaining why it works. Though beginning is kind of insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElwivsXrg04

Altairis October 25th, 2016 9:47 PM

I think they are pretty epic looking and they match up pretty well with the rest of the box art legendaries. I wasn't skeptical at all when I saw them like I was when I saw Kalos's (even though I did warm up to Xerneas and Yveltal after a while), but these ones fit right in. They are also really different in that they aren't the standard typings, either (mainly that they're not Dragon, even though I love Dragons)

OuterTsuchinoko October 25th, 2016 10:10 PM

My favorite box legendaries would be Ho-Oh/Lugia and Dialga/Palkia. I really do love the designs for Solgaleo and Lunala. They look really cool and I like Solgaleo a bit more because I'm a Leo, lol. I don't think they're the best but they are good and at least to me look better than Xerneas/Yveltal.
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Originally Posted by SightlessReality (Post 9463483)
Well regarding Solgaleo's typing, I think Lockstin does a good job explaining why it works. Though beginning is kind of insulting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElwivsXrg04

That video was pretty informative. Certainly increases my like of Solgaleo even more.

Frozocrone October 25th, 2016 10:41 PM

They looks pretty good. But as for opposites, night and day ain't exactly thrilling, especially when compared against land + sea, time + space, yin + yang, life + death.

Probably ranked above Lugia and Ho-oh but that's about it for me.

WingsofBliss October 25th, 2016 10:43 PM

My favorite thing about Solgaleo and Lunala is that according to the datamine of the demo, they seem to have pre-evolutions. Not counting Manaphy(Manaphy is a Mythical), I believe these are the first Legendaries in the 20 years of Pokémon to get pre-evolutions. I really like the design of them too, they're like adorable cosmic baby things or something.

LilyGardy October 25th, 2016 11:28 PM

I like Solgaleo a lot although am somewhat surprised it is not Fire type. However it has an excellent design and whilst it won't be on my in-game team I will use it extensively post game. Rare for a Steel Type for me.

The Moon Legendary is also well designed but I am not as much a fan.

In terms of comparison to the other Box Legendaries I put them below Unova's and Hoenn's and on a tie with Kalos.

Florges October 26th, 2016 12:33 AM

I like them design wise, but I need to see them in the game to determine where they will rank on my list. If they are heavily involved with the story, then they will probably make it high on the list. It will take a lot to best the Tao trio for me, though.

janejane6178 October 26th, 2016 3:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Florges (Post 9463875)
I like them design wise, but I need to see them in the game to determine where they will rank on my list. If they are heavily involved with the story, then they will probably make it high on the list. It will take a lot to best the Tao trio for me, though.

You're right. I wonder what stats they're gonna have

moon October 26th, 2016 10:53 AM

They are fantastic, tbh. Solgaleo and Lunala's names are pretty weird (perhaps they have some really cool meanings I don't know of, but they seem a bit lame) but their designs and mythological inspirations are really cool.

Imo Xerneas and Yveltal matched up to them in terms of design and concept, and Lugia and Ho-oh were maybe not quite as intricately composed, but their overally visual designs are marvelous and stand the test of time. Whereas the gen 4 and gen 3 box art legendaries (except for Rayquaza) are frankly terrible looking in comparison to the latest two gens imo. They're just... clunky o: Not as vivid and interesting as the Kalos and Alola designs.

MKC October 26th, 2016 12:11 PM

I personally really like these two! it's hard to compare them two previous legendary pairs since I like Solagaleo a lot more than Lunala (I think she has a great design, but I simply don't like Y shapes), I would probably put them below the DP and BW duos but above the RS and GS ones.
I definitely think they are a step up from the XY duo, Xerneas was kinda boring and Yveltal is easilly my least favourite box legendary, they had a cool concept but the designs didn't do much for me. Lunala looks 100 times better than Yveltal despite also being Y shaped.
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Originally Posted by Silvadi (Post 9464338)
Solgaleo and Lunala's names are pretty weird (perhaps they have some really cool meanings I don't know of, but they seem a bit lame)

Their names come from Latin/Spanish, Solgaleo is a combination of Sol (Sun),Galileo (Heliocentric Theory) and also a pun on Leo (Lion) while Lunala is literally Moon Wing.
I think Solagaleo's name is pretty cool, Lunala however feels a bit too bare since her name isn't even a play on words, it is just two words stuck together.

Nah October 26th, 2016 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MKC (Post 9464403)
Lunala (I think she has a great design, but I simply don't like Y shapes)

http://i.imgur.com/nroWXIS.jpg?1

KALOS CONFIRMED

....wait it's too soon for that

Bounsweet October 26th, 2016 12:28 PM

I'm not the biggest fan of them, tbh. Although Xerneas has been the first legendary in a long time that I've really loved, especially as a cover legendary. Between the two, I do like Solgaleo more, but I can't shake the feeling that it's basically Liger Zero from Zoids lol...

Spoiler:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bc/d2/c3/bcd2c370a4c6d51ec76e6b911bac29e3.jpg

Solgaleo even had the Striker Laser Claw going on in one of the more recent trailers lol.

Eruption October 27th, 2016 8:28 AM

For me personally, there is usually one box legendary that has a much better design than the other and therefore it makes which version I buy quite easy. If I just ignore the 3rd version legendaries for now, my choices have went Groudon > Kyogre, Dialga > Palkia, Reshiram > Zekrom, Xerneas > Yveltal. My exception to the rule was always Lugia & Ho-oh because they're both great, though I prefer Ho-oh.

In this case, I'm not a fan of either design, but at the same time, neither of them are terrible. I would probably place them both above Kyogre and Palkia, both of which I find very ugly, but below all the others. I also prefer all the 3rd version mascots over these two (Zygarde would be the exception to this in a parallel universe were Pokemon Z exists). Regardless of the potential third mascot, I would say this is easily the worst concept for the duos/trios so far.

Solgaleo probably narrowly beats out Lunala for me, but I've pre-ordered Moon version which is probably the first time the cover mascot hasn't made the decision for me.

If I was going to order this by generation then it would be as follow. This should also be considered a tl;dr because I realise no one should post this much about the quality of cover mascots.

1. Ho-oh / Lugia
2. Xerneas / Yveltal
3. Reshiram / Zekrom
4. Solgaleo / Lunala
5. Groudon / Kyogre
6. Dialga / Palkia

Xerecies October 29th, 2016 4:20 PM

I'd say they're about the same as most the other ones. Except maybe Lugia and Ho-oh. Kyogre and Groudon weren't that great in my opinion -- but that being said, that was my least favorite generation of Pokemon, so..

Smash Brony October 30th, 2016 11:51 AM

I fell in love with them at first sight!
My previous all time favorite legend is Mewtwo,
But now it's Solgaleo! This may sound strange,
But I think I like Solgaleo due to nostalgia...
(Reminds me of the white tiger zord)

Xerecies October 30th, 2016 1:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smash Brony (Post 9469424)
I fell in love with them at first sight!
My previous all time favorite legend is Mewtwo,
But now it's Solgaleo! This may sound strange,
But I think I like Solgaleo due to nostalgia...
(Reminds me of the white tiger zord)

I can see the resemblance. Solgaleo is quite the Pokemon, too -- and a big part of why I'm buying Pokemon Sun. {XD}

janejane6178 October 30th, 2016 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerecies (Post 9469586)
I can see the resemblance. Solgaleo is quite the Pokemon, too -- and a big part of why I'm buying Pokemon Sun. {XD}

I love Solgaleo as well, but the main reason for me buying Sun instead of Moon is the time differences :)

Xerecies October 30th, 2016 4:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9469609)
I love Solgaleo as well, but the main reason for me buying Sun instead of Moon is the time differences :)

That's fair enough too. {XD}

CidHazard October 30th, 2016 8:00 PM

Just like most of the posters... I like them...

The Metallic/Galactic design looks really cool, and that sleek yet simple design makes them pleasing to the eyes.

I'm more interested in them plot wise tho... as this time; with the introduction of cosmog. It seems that you have a closer ties with the legionaries than ever before!

The thought of the possibility of Cosmog evolving to protect you from the Ultra beasts is getting me super excited.

Itcheeee October 30th, 2016 10:48 PM

I love both of these different legendary Pokemon, and I much prefer them over 4th and 5th gen's box legends, which I was never really into much.
They might be my favorite game mascots so far, especially Solgaleo. Really, only the 3rd gen legendaries come close.

The Silver Fox October 31st, 2016 5:07 AM

Solgaleo one is better than all gen 6 pairs. Lunaala's design is weird and I found previous box arts were better than this one. Gen 3 box arts were the best and the gen 4 was worst (at least what i think).

WingsofBliss October 31st, 2016 6:26 AM

I think my favorite thing about their design is their faces. It reminds me of those galaxy/nebula wallpapers that people make on Photoshop. Their designs are also simple but majestic, and I like Xerneas and Yveltal for that same reason.

MegaKuriboh October 31st, 2016 11:50 AM

I wasn't super huge on them at first, but they're really growing on me! I love Solgaleo a bit more. Compared to the other legendaries though, I don't really know, better than Dialga and Palkia at least.


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