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Rengoku November 12th, 2016 6:34 AM

That's what you hear every generations, not just Pokemon. I've seen practically the same kind of people complaining about every single new generation of games. It's getting old.

Things change. Things have to be updated and added to keep people interested than the same ol' thing.

Spoiler:
And who said the league was removed?


I'm just one of the people whom accept whatever comes my way. And if I didn't like it (Like the current Yu-Gi-Oh!), I just ditch them. Simple. Although I don't see myself ditching Pokemon anytime soon, since I've been playing since the first generation and it holds a special meaning to me.

I have to admit I really detested BWB2W2, but no way would you see me complaining. I just simply run through it so I could transfer my Pokemon from previous generations onwards. XY was good, to be honest, and the addition of ORAS helped. I am honestly superbly excited about Sun and Moon. Especially after the leaks in YouTube.

Zoinkity November 12th, 2016 7:54 AM

If we're going to complain about changing up the formula, let's go all the way. How dare they banish HMs. They were there from the very beginning. It just isn't Pokemon without at least three HM slaves in your party.

Illusionss November 12th, 2016 8:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoinkity (Post 9484490)
If we're going to complain about changing up the formula, let's go all the way. How dare they banish HMs. They were there from the very beginning. It just isn't Pokemon without at least three HM slaves in your party.

Comparing HM moves being removed to gyms being removed is like comparing polishing a turd to polishing a glass table

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Originally Posted by Pheremosa (Post 9484429)
I'm taking a "wait and see" attitude to these games. Fundamentally, the basic gameplay formula hasn't changed in the slightest since the first generation, they've just been taking things out and adding other things in with each generation. With Sun & Moon, they've done the same thing, just in a slightly different way. It might work. It might not. Really, these games aren't hugely different from previous titles; they're still turn-based RPGs. All the changes they've made are just aesthetic ones you'll either like or hate, much the same way each game has a different region, evil team, regional dex, etc. Swapping Gyms for Island Challenges and all the rest is little more than semantics.

I'll play them and judge them on an individual basis, rather than comparing them to past titles and expecting to find certain things in there. That the gameplay is fundamentally the same is enough to convince me to try them before I condemn them as aesthetically inferior to past titles.

Yeah, I agree tbh. Changing pretty much the whole goal of the game by defeating gyms and collecting badges to something different isn't changing the formula at all.

Nah November 12th, 2016 11:30 AM

If you're concerned that there will be no older Pokemon available to you during the main story like in Black/White, that's not the case in Sun/Moon. The list of Pokemon available during the main story has been leaked, and it contains both old and new Pokemon.

Illusionss November 12th, 2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9484638)
If you're concerned that there will be no older Pokemon available to you during the main story like in Black/White, that's not the case in Sun/Moon. The list of Pokemon available during the main story has been leaked, and it contains both old and new Pokemon.

I didn't mean it would be like gen 5 in the sense that there's no older Pokemon, I meant that its still going to be stripping some (if not most) of the nostalgia out of it, in this case by removing gyms and going complete overkill with all the new stuff.

Nah November 12th, 2016 12:11 PM

oh, ok, my bad

pryce10 November 12th, 2016 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Illusionss (Post 9479262)
Getting rid of gyms and the league is taking a large portion of the concept away, references such as?

they STILL have Alolan league and even HAVE elite four and champion... just no gyms... BIG DEAL!

Hikamaru November 13th, 2016 1:02 AM

As Pryce said, just because a region doesn't have Gyms doesn't mean it can't still have an Elite Four and Champion. The league is pretty much something that won't die down, and from what I heard from Ohmori and Masuda's Q&A sessions about the games, the reason Island Trials are substituting Gyms is because they wanted to focus on Alola being a nature-heavy region and the trials allowed the trainer to connect with nature.

The Evil Mewtwo November 13th, 2016 1:35 AM

It's actually a good thing. It will prevent the game from being boring. The trails is going to be fun and it will replace the gyms since we can experience the world with puzzles. The good thing is that the HMs are removed due to the new feature from the Demo, some of the good HMs are now TMs. However, some of the Pokemons really needs some upgrades too.

pryce10 November 13th, 2016 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Illusionss (Post 9484400)
The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that I won't enjoy sun and moon.

I didn't play gen 5 until years after it's release as I wasn't into Pokemon at the time, and I've never been so glad that I've missed out on a video game before. The reason for this is because imo gen 5 stripped most of the nostalgia away from the game by making almost every previous gen Pokemon not available until so far towards the end/after the main game. And sun and moon seems to have done something similar in that sense to what gen 5 did, except to an even further extent, I'm started to consider canceling my pre-orders.

WOW... you sure whine a lot don't you?
Gen 1 is only pokemon to revcieve new Alolan form
Red and Blue is back.
Professor Oaks Cousin is here.
Not to mention according to leaked pokedex Alola will have various pokemon across generation INCLUDING MANY GEN 1 POKEMON!
WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT? THERE ARE GEN 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 POKEMONS AND GEN 1 CHARACTERS RETURNING!
Seriously there is no pleasing people... if GF keeps old patterns people will complain every pokemon game is just a clone with improved graphic... and when GF tries something different like in Sun and Moon there are people like you who whine that their childhood is ruined!

Illusionss November 13th, 2016 3:42 AM

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they STILL have Alolan league and even HAVE elite four and champion... just no gyms... BIG DEAL!
That is completely irrelevant. They do not have gyms anymore, therefor the whole goal to the game defeating gyms and collecting gym badges is completely changed. :)

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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9484952)
they STILL have Alolan league and even HAVE elite four and champion... just no gyms... BIG DEAL!

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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9485236)
WOW... you sure whine a lot don't you?
Gen 1 is only pokemon to revcieve new Alolan form
Red and Blue is back.
Professor Oaks Cousin is here.
Not to mention according to leaked pokedex Alola will have various pokemon across generation INCLUDING MANY GEN 1 POKEMON!
WHAT MORE COULD YOU WANT? THERE ARE GEN 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 POKEMONS AND GEN 1 CHARACTERS RETURNING!
Seriously there is no pleasing people... if GF keeps old patterns people will complain every pokemon game is just a clone with improved graphic... and when GF tries something different like in Sun and Moon there are people like you who whine that their childhood is ruined!

Where did I say sun and moon is getting rid of all the older gen Pokemon? I was comparing it to gen 5 because of it's huge changes, this time in the case of removing gyms and changing the concept of the game, talk about lack of intelligence, lol. Besides, it's also about the fact that they've gone sheer overkill with all the new Pokemon forms, there's like four different kinds of them that I'm aware of (possibly even more). I don't care for having professor Oak's cousin here at all, changes like that are barely anything more than a slight reference and will make no difference to the gameplay side of things. People have never complained before about using the same formula so why would they start now? If they insisted on making a spin-off-like game like this, then why didn't they save it for their Switch console coming out next year, that way they could have given us a regular Pokemon game on the 3DS and the spin-off-like sun and moon on the Swtch, everybody wins.

pryce10 November 13th, 2016 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Illusionss (Post 9485287)
That is completely irrelevant. They do not have gyms anymore, therefor the whole goal to the game defeating gyms and collecting gym badges is completely changed. :)





Where did I say sun and moon is getting rid of all the older gen Pokemon? I was comparing it to gen 5 because of it's huge changes, this time in the case of removing gyms and changing the concept of the game, talk about lack of intelligence, lol. Besides, it's also about the fact that they've gone sheer overkill with all the new Pokemon forms, there's like four different kinds of them that I'm aware of (possibly even more). I don't care for having professor Oak's cousin here at all, changes like that are barely anything more than a slight reference and will make no difference to the gameplay side of things. People have never complained before about using the same formula so why would they start now? If they insisted on making a spin-off-like game like this, then why didn't they save it for their Switch console coming out next year, that way they could have given us a regular Pokemon game on the 3DS and the spin-off-like sun and moon on the Swtch, everybody wins.

WTF? Sun and Moon is STiLL a main game... they just swapped gym leaders to Trail captain... it is still eventually same thing! Seriously the core aspect has NOT changed. you still capture pokemon, battle evil team, challenge trail captains... and level up your pokemon! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUN AND MOON AND OTHER MAIN GAMES EXCEPT ABSENCE OF GYMS!
Seriously you still have Trail captains AND kahunas who still specialises in a type like gym leaders!
NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE!
Seriously you really do not like change do you?
did you whine in X and y when they introduced new type? I bet you were like "WHY INTRODUCE NEW TYPE WHEN THEY HAVEN'T FOR 5 GENERATIONS! X AND Y SUCKS!"

L'Belle November 13th, 2016 4:58 AM

What I am wondering is.. what did black and white change that was so different from it's previous generations besides there being no old pokémon?

Also something you said, yes, it is still the same thing. You travel trough the region, preparing yourself to face trials with totem pokémon and kahunas (Who specialize in a certain type) and fight an evil team alongside the way. Then when you are done, you go trough victory road and fight the elite four and the champion. There are also postgame adventures for you to discover and online battling to have fun with.

This really could be any pokémon game with some slight differences. Also, you should know that Gamefreak put a lot of work in these games. You should at least see for yourself if you like it before judging it so unfairly as you do now.

pryce10 November 13th, 2016 5:23 AM

seriously GYMS never has been a thing that makes pokemon a Pokemon...
Pokemon is all about capturing your pokemon, leveling it up, and befreinding it. I don't mind if they removed the league, evil teams, or champion... as long as they have core aspect of capturing your pokemon and befriending it... it is STILL a pokemon!

Illusionss November 13th, 2016 7:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9485327)
WTF? Sun and Moon is STiLL a main game... they just swapped gym leaders to Trail captain... it is still eventually same thing! Seriously the core aspect has NOT changed. you still capture pokemon, battle evil team, challenge trail captains... and level up your pokemon! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUN AND MOON AND OTHER MAIN GAMES EXCEPT ABSENCE OF GYMS!
Seriously you still have Trail captains AND kahunas who still specialises in a type like gym leaders!
NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE!
Seriously you really do not like change do you?
did you whine in X and y when they introduced new type? I bet you were like "WHY INTRODUCE NEW TYPE WHEN THEY HAVEN'T FOR 5 GENERATIONS! X AND Y SUCKS!"

Sun and Moon is very similar to Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon gale of darkness, no gyms or gym badges hence the spin-off-like feel to it and a different end game goal, which sun and moon also has. Obviously there's still going to be an evil team, what else are they going to do, make a game where you battle Red and Blue for fun over and over? Also where did I complain about a new type? Adding is fine with me as long as they're not taking away key aspects of the game whilst doing so, or going complete overkill with a cluster fuck of the many different Pokemon forms.


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Originally Posted by Michelaar (Post 9485341)
What I am wondering is.. what did black and white change that was so different from it's previous generations besides there being no old pokémon?

Also something you said, yes, it is still the same thing. You travel trough the region, preparing yourself to face trials with totem pokémon and kahunas (Who specialize in a certain type) and fight an evil team alongside the way. Then when you are done, you go trough victory road and fight the elite four and the champion. There are also postgame adventures for you to discover and online battling to have fun with.

This really could be any pokémon game with some slight differences. Also, you should know that Gamefreak put a lot of work in these games. You should at least see for yourself if you like it before judging it so unfairly as you do now.

If you re-read the post I made comparing it to gen 5, you'll see I made the point that the difference was that hardly any earlier gen Pokemon we're available until near the end of the game/after the endgame. I played the demo and did not enjoy it, however I am going to play the full game before making a final conclusion, but even at this point in time I am just as entitled to my opinion as someone who is looking forward to the game and loving what they've seen thus far.

I feel that it would have been so much better if they made this game for the Nintendo Switch in more ways than one. For starters it would have been better from a business standpoint as for many people this would be a deal breaker having a Pokemon game like this on a home console and would've increased sales (especially having this on the day of release of the Nintendo Switch), also it would have given them something to experiment with and would have been much less of a risk to what they're doing now, if these games and their new ideas do happen to flop then it could really hurt them and they would likely need a solid Pokemon game with the standard formula to get back on track. Putting this on the Switch would also give everyone what they want; a Pokemon game what we're used to on the 3ds for us casual fans, and a Pokemon game with a lot of big changes for you hardcore fans or fans who want something different. But hey, what do I know?


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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9485361)
seriously GYMS never has been a thing that makes pokemon a Pokemon...
Pokemon is all about capturing your pokemon, leveling it up, and befreinding it. I don't mind if they removed the league, evil teams, or champion... as long as they have core aspect of capturing your pokemon and befriending it... it is STILL a pokemon!

For me gyms was such a huge part of the game that I enjoyed, and I know I'm not the only one as many of my friends are the same. I can't really comment on "befriending it" as I've never tried to befriend a virtual Pocket monster, but whatever you're into I guess. I may have even enjoyed battling gyms even more than collecting Pokemon and powering it up, there was just something about collecting gym badges and reaching the milestone of a new gym, and also facing a whole bunch of CPU's with the same type of Pokemon whilst leading up the gym leader.

If you're more into petting your Pokemon and feeding them treats on the touchscreen, as well as battling online with your Z type special moves and your Ash-Greninja or all the different regular forms or legendary forms, then that's great, each to their own. But I'm just not into that.

kingdenas November 13th, 2016 8:53 AM

I mean, if you think defeating a gym leader with only 3 Pokémon, which you can OHKO easily with one member of your team is fun, then so be it.

Honestly, I was pretty tired of gyms. They started getting really easy, and the leaders didn't participate in the plot as they should. I think adding Trials is a refreshing way to get rid of gyms. And it's not like they don't make sense, since Alola is pretty tropical and whatnot. The idea of trials seem to match Alola's environment and culture, so I'm not even mad. You shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

blue November 13th, 2016 9:01 AM

I was skeptical about the whole trial system replacing the Gyms at a first glance, but now I'm looking forward to at least seeing how it compares. I think trials will be a lot more innovative than gym puzzles and hopefully, it will mean Trial Captains are more heavily involved with the storyline. One of the issues with gym leaders was the lack of character development with them not really having any engagement with the plot other than being there to battle against. With the combination of Captains, trials, Totem Pokémon, and Kahunas.. I think they will be full of content.

Hikamaru November 13th, 2016 9:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue (Post 9485629)
I was skeptical about the whole trial system replacing the Gyms at a first glance, but now I'm looking forward to at least seeing how it compares. I think trials will be a lot more innovative than gym puzzles and hopefully, it will mean Trial Captains are more heavily involved with the storyline. One of the issues with gym leaders was the lack of character development with them not really having any engagement with the plot other than being there to battle against. With the combination of Captains, trials, Totem Pokémon, and Kahunas.. I think they will be full of content.

If I also remember, Totem Pokemon are going to be kinda tough early on since I did see a video on CoroCoro's YouTube channel where the player's team (Litten, Yungoos and Crabrawler) got destroyed easily by the Totem Gumshoos.

Gumshoos is Sun exclusive while Moon has Alolan Raticate, which the latter will definitely be easier to beat down with a Fighting-type (4x weakness yoohoo!) plus Popplio line gets Disarming Voice early which also hits Raticate's Dark-type super-effectively. Basically, Sun players will have a harder time against that first Totem since Gumshoos doesn't have as many weaknesses as Moon's Alolan Raticate.

Now I could only imagine how much scary these Totems will be for Nuzlockers of this game...

pryce10 November 13th, 2016 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Illusionss (Post 9485518)
Sun and Moon is very similar to Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon gale of darkness, no gyms or gym badges hence the spin-off-like feel to it and a different end game goal, which sun and moon also has. Obviously there's still going to be an evil team, what else are they going to do, make a game where you battle Red and Blue for fun over and over? Also where did I complain about a new type? Adding is fine with me as long as they're not taking away key aspects of the game whilst doing so, or going complete overkill with a cluster **** of the many different Pokemon forms.




If you re-read the post I made comparing it to gen 5, you'll see I made the point that the difference was that hardly any earlier gen Pokemon we're available until near the end of the game/after the endgame. I played the demo and did not enjoy it, however I am going to play the full game before making a final conclusion, but even at this point in time I am just as entitled to my opinion as someone who is looking forward to the game and loving what they've seen thus far.

I feel that it would have been so much better if they made this game for the Nintendo Switch in more ways than one. For starters it would have been better from a business standpoint as for many people this would be a deal breaker having a Pokemon game like this on a home console and would've increased sales (especially having this on the day of release of the Nintendo Switch), also it would have given them something to experiment with and would have been much less of a risk to what they're doing now, if these games and their new ideas do happen to flop then it could really hurt them and they would likely need a solid Pokemon game with the standard formula to get back on track. Putting this on the Switch would also give everyone what they want; a Pokemon game what we're used to on the 3ds for us casual fans, and a Pokemon game with a lot of big changes for you hardcore fans or fans who want something different. But hey, what do I know?




For me gyms was such a huge part of the game that I enjoyed, and I know I'm not the only one as many of my friends are the same. I can't really comment on "befriending it" as I've never tried to befriend a virtual Pocket monster, but whatever you're into I guess. I may have even enjoyed battling gyms even more than collecting Pokemon and powering it up, there was just something about collecting gym badges and reaching the milestone of a new gym, and also facing a whole bunch of CPU's with the same type of Pokemon whilst leading up the gym leader.

If you're more into petting your Pokemon and feeding them treats on the touchscreen, as well as battling online with your Z type special moves and your Ash-Greninja or all the different regular forms or legendary forms, then that's great, each to their own. But I'm just not into that.

you clearly don't like change... plus YOU ALWAYS IGNORE TRAIL CAPTAINS AND KAHUNAS!

Illusionss November 13th, 2016 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kingdenas (Post 9485619)
I mean, if you think defeating a gym leader with only 3 Pokémon, which you can OHKO easily with one member of your team is fun, then so be it.

Honestly, I was pretty tired of gyms. They started getting really easy, and the leaders didn't participate in the plot as they should. I think adding Trials is a refreshing way to get rid of gyms. And it's not like they don't make sense, since Alola is pretty tropical and whatnot. The idea of trials seem to match Alola's environment and culture, so I'm not even mad. You shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

I agree Pokemon games as of late have been too easy (X and Y especially), but they can make the game more difficult by increasing the difficulty somewhat e.g. like the elite 4 in gen 1, except to an even further extent if needed, they didn't have to completely remove gyms.


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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9485903)
you clearly don't like change... plus YOU ALWAYS IGNORE TRAIL CAPTAINS AND KAHUNAS!

I encourage change for the better, but I also don't believe in trying to fix something that isn't broken. Seems like Nintendo have took a trick from Apple's book in this case.

pryce10 November 13th, 2016 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Illusionss (Post 9486021)
I agree Pokemon games as of late have been too easy (X and Y especially), but they can make the game more difficult by increasing the difficulty somewhat e.g. like the elite 4 in gen 1, except to an even further extent if needed, they didn't have to completely remove gyms.




I encourage change for the better, but I also don't believe in trying to fix something that isn't broken. Seems like Nintendo have took a trick from Apple's book in this case.

how is trail captain not a change for better? For EONS people have complained that Pokemon is just same thing with same boring old formula! get pokemon beat gym, fight evil teams, beat elite four, beat champion, the end! they did same old formula for 20 years and now GF is FINALLY trying to do something different and you cry foul? IT IS BROKEN! PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT EACH POKEMON GAMES AND BELIEVE THAT ONCE YOU PLAYED ANY ONE POKEMON GAME THERE IS NO NEED TO PLAY ANOTHER SINCE THEY ARE BASICALLY THE SAME!
seriously you can please people

Illusionss November 13th, 2016 3:27 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9486095)
My last post itt, take it as you will:

There will be change in Pokemon. That's a fact. Unless you've been living under a rock or have genuinely never played Pokemon before, this is something to be expected. Game Freak removes and adds features every single generation. The Poketch? Removed. Xtransciever? Removed. Vs. Seeker? Removed. Battle Frontier? Removed. Pokemon following you in HGSS? Removed. Difficulty altering modes after B2W2? Removed. I can honestly go on and on about this but I will be honest and say that a lot of the reason you're facing some pushback in this thread is because this is nothing new on Game Freak's part, and a lot of people know this. They will always make some additions every generation that's polarized amongst fans. In Gen VI, it was Mega Evolution. This generation, it's Alola forms. No matter what Game Freak does, they're never going to please everybody. They can most certainly try, and that's their general aim, but it will never happen because there will be someone mad enough that the experience isn't tailored enough specifically for them.

Secondly, you can develop whatever opinion you want. If, ultimately, you feel that the games aren't a fit for you based on what you've seen so far, so be it. I disagree with the premature judgment, but hey, that's your thoughts on it and if the last four pages of this thread have been of any indication, you're probably not going to change your mind on that, and chances are you're not going to change the mind of anybody you're replying to. I don't think that's your aim, as you've stated earlier you're just here to post your opinion, and that's fine. I do think however, that this has become rather one-sided and very repetitive; you keep saying that you feel that the recent generation is losing its nostalgia because of the removal of Gyms among other new additions, while others are stating to you that this isn't the case; that Pokemon has and always will be what it is at its core: catching, battling, trading, and communicating. Nothing more, nothing less. How Game Freak does that is ultimately up to them. You may not be satisfied with how they go about with these core functions, but as long as they keep them intact, it will always be Pokemon as a lot of people know it to be.

That being said, if you feel you are going to be unhappy with your experiences with the games, then do cancel your pre-orders and skip out on this generation. A lot of people in this thread disagree with you that the removal of Gyms is removing a component that would be sending the games in a death spiral, but hey, opinions are opinions and as I said, not everyone is going to be pleased with a specific generation of games. That's just how it is.

On another note: difficulty in Pokemon games are hardly going to be a thing. As much as some veteran players (even myself) would want it to be so, the fact of the matter is that even if you see that more adults play Pokemon, the general demographic and aim for Pokemon is for children. These games are developed so that it would be easy and simple for children as well as those who've never played Pokemon before to get into; making the games difficult would most likely turn them off and away from it.

tl;dr: We're all here to enjoy the Pokemon games for various reasons. Some of those reasons are more for battling, some of them care more for plot, some of them care for post-game, some more for trading and breeding. What makes Pokemon such a fulfilling experience in many people's eyes is that these core aspects of the games don't seem to be compromised. In fact, they're made easier, if anything else. It's possibly likely that Super Training will make a return, Hyper Training is making getting into battling a breeze, breeding is ridiculously easy with Gen VI and will likely be easy in Gen VII.

The point of all of this is that Gyms, while a staple in the series, are only a tiny part of what makes Pokemon what it is. And I know you're going to respond to this with "well why not replace Pokemon with nets lol", in which case I'll respond that Pokeballs are universal. They can fit anywhere, in any region, in any environment without looking out of place. Everyone knows what a Pokeball is, they're a standard method of capturing Pokemon and Pokeballs are a trainers' trustworthy tool to capture Pokemon to fill up the Pokedex. Gyms however, as much of a staple as they are, they can very well be removed because, as this generation proved, Gyms are not the only way one can be recognized as Champion of a specific region. If this point seems silly to you, then I'm not sure what else to say, but it is what it is.

Z-moves and the such are not difficult concepts to learn, in fact, I believe they're explained even in the demo. At any rate, it sucks that you aren't happy with them, and I hope that, if you do plan on getting the games in the end, that you'll be satisfied with your experience and that SM will be a decent game to play through, after all.

I must have missed the "Do not give your opinion" post in the terms of service, my bad!

Illusionss November 13th, 2016 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9486038)
how is trail captain not a change for better? For EONS people have complained that Pokemon is just same thing with same boring old formula! get pokemon beat gym, fight evil teams, beat elite four, beat champion, the end! they did same old formula for 20 years and now GF is FINALLY trying to do something different and you cry foul? IT IS BROKEN! PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THERE IS NOTHING NEW ABOUT EACH POKEMON GAMES AND BELIEVE THAT ONCE YOU PLAYED ANY ONE POKEMON GAME THERE IS NO NEED TO PLAY ANOTHER SINCE THEY ARE BASICALLY THE SAME!
seriously you can please people

Kind of contradicting yourself, earlier you said that not much is changing and now you're saying it's a good
thing that they're changing the "same boring old formula".

Bottom line is some people wanted something different, some people wanted the same thing. They could've made everyone a winner by making this spin-off-like game on the Switch and a regular Pokemon game what we're used to on the 3DS or something along those lines as I've said over and over, but instead us old school fans got bent over the desk and got it stuck up us, because we're getting a game that we didn't want and ultimately no sign of a Pokemon game with the standard formula coming anytime soon.

blue November 13th, 2016 3:38 PM

It doesn't seem like much more can come of this discussion other than what is already being argued. Since the discussion topic has trailed off, I'm gonna go ahead and close this thread before things get out of hand.


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