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Zeffy December 17th, 2016 7:21 AM

Counter that Pokémon!
 

Counter that Pokémon! - Generation 7 Edition


Information

With the release of Gen 7, I thought it'd be great to bring back a classic game! Counter that Pokémon is essentially what it says--someone posts a Pokémon, the next person tries to counter the Pokémon, and then the next person tries to counter that Pokémon and so on and so forth! This is a fun way to test your overall game knowledge as well as to learn some of the crafty ways other people tries to counter certain threats.


Rules

  • The game requires you to post an appropriate counter to the Pokémon, not just a simple check. Learn the difference between a counter and a check by reading this in-depth explanation from Smogon. Failure to follow this rule will result in your post being called out, so keep this in mind!
  • As mentioned in the previous rule, if the previous poster fails to post a valid counter, you should call them out and post an appropriate counter to what they were countering.
  • Pokébank OU Pokémon and below only, please. Here's the official banlist of SM Pokébank OU. Ubers and above can counter almost anything due to their sheer power.
  • Assume that everything is one-on-one, so don't factor in entry hazard damage or luck-based strategies such as confusion.
  • Do not slash information into your Pokémon's moveset. This completely defeats the purpose of the game since you can't alter your Pokémon's moveset in an actual battle.
  • Try to post your set in a readable format. You can use Pokémon Showdown's export feature to easily create a readable moveset format.

Useful Resources


And with that, let's start things off with something simple:

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/celesteela.gif
Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower

This thread has been Moderator Approved™ by aurora. :^)

PlatinumDude December 17th, 2016 7:47 AM

Alolan Marowak:
http://www.serebii.net/Shiny/SM/105-a.png
-Flare Blitz
-Shadow Bone
-Bonemerang
-Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 120 HP//252 Atk/4 Def/132 Spe
Item: Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod

Alolan Marowak takes virtually nothing from Celesteela and can either cripple it with Will-o-Wisp or outright KO it with Flare Blitz.

Zeffy December 17th, 2016 10:05 AM

(your EVs are pretty weird. i think you meant to put 252 into attack instead of special attack?)

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/pelipper.gif
Pelipper @Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold nature
- Scald
- Hurricane
- U-Turn
- Roost

Marowak's STAB moves are a 3HKO at best, while Pelipper can 2HKO with Scald, as well as heal up any damage via Roost. Pelipper also outspeeds even without investments in speed.

Nah December 17th, 2016 12:16 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/tapukoko.gif
Tapu Koko @ Expert Belt
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-U-Turn
-Dazzling Gleam
-Roost

Despite getting a new lease on life with Drizzle, Pelipper still loses to anything with an Electric attack

PlatinumDude December 18th, 2016 7:04 AM

Alolan Muk:
http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/089-a.png
-Gunk Shot
-Knock Off
-Pursuit
-Shadow Sneak
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 SDef
Item: Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch

Muk can't be poisoned and can simply Knock Off Chansey's Eviolite to make it easier to deal with.

Megan December 18th, 2016 10:18 AM

http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/750.png
Mudsdale @ Leftovers
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- High Horsepower
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Superpower

Nah December 18th, 2016 2:17 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/keldeo-resolute.gif
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power Ghost

Zeffy December 18th, 2016 3:48 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/venusaur.gif -> http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/venusaur-mega.gif
Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Synthesis

I don't think this needs any explanation.

Frozocrone December 18th, 2016 5:50 PM

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/crobat.gif
Crobat @ Black Sludge
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 248 HP / 48 Def / 212 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Taunt
- Roost

Brave Bird is a 2HKO, Taunt stops Synthesis and MVenasaur can only muster 3HKO on high rolls with recoil and 3 critical hits from Sludge Bomb.

Dark Azelf December 18th, 2016 6:55 PM

Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body -- > Tough Claws
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- ThunderPunch
- Hammer Arm
- Zen Headbutt

gimmepie December 18th, 2016 11:18 PM

Torkoal @ Lefotvers
Ability: Drought
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Def / 8 Sp. Atk
Relaxed Nature
-Fire Blast
-Will-o-Wisp
-Rapid Spin
-Solar Beam

Megagross can at best 4HKO Torkoal but Overheat OHKOs Megagross. (I'm assuming that Spd is meant to be Speed not Special Defense although this pretty much applies either way).

gimmepie December 19th, 2016 8:41 PM

Garchomp @Leftovers
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 240 HP / 176 Def / 92 Spe
Impish Nature
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Dragon Tail
-Fire Blast

Even with EVs invested in Def not Sp. Def, Garchomp can tank every attack Heatran has with ease and OHKO it with Earthquake.

Zeffy December 21st, 2016 7:13 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/rotom-w.gif
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

Rotom-W takes virtually nothing from Garchomp whilst Rotom-W can cripple Garchomp with Will-O-Wisp, or 3HKO it with Hydro Pump.

gimmepie December 21st, 2016 9:38 PM

Alola-Exeggutor @Sitrus Berry
Ability: Harvest
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 8 Def
Modest Nature
-Leaf Storm
-Draco Meteor
-Synthesis
-Power Swap

It takes 9+ moves for Rotom to KO Exeggutor but the big tree OHKOs with Leaf Storm. You either switch or die basically.

PlatinumDude December 21st, 2016 10:28 PM

Tapu Bulu:
http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/787.png
-Wood Hammer
-Horn Leech
-Megahorn
-Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band

Tapu Bulu is immune to Draco Meteor, resists Leaf Storm, and threatens Exeggutor with an OHKO from Megahorn.

gimmepie December 21st, 2016 10:37 PM

Moltres @Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 Sp. Atk / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Flamethrower
-Hurricane
-Hidden Power Grass
-Roost

Moltres can survive any of Tapu Bulu's attacks switching in and then outspeed and OHKO it with either Flamethrower or Hurricane.

Zeffy December 21st, 2016 11:26 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/aerodactyl.gif -> http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/aerodactyl-mega.gif
Aerodactyl-Mega @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Rock Head -> Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Wing Attack
- Roost

Mega Aerodactyl resists all of Moltres' moves, is able to OHKO with Stone Edge, and is also able to Roost off any damage taken from Moltres.

gimmepie December 22nd, 2016 12:52 AM

Bronzong @Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Sp. Def
Sassy Nature
0 Speed IVs
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Toxic
-Trick Room

Mega-Aerodactyl without Crunch can't touch Bronzong whilst Zong OHKOs with Gyro Ball forcing you out to cripple your next mon with Toxic or set up Trick Room or taking you out. Not the most practical idea since I probably wouldn't know you aren't running Crunch, but the game is Counter that Pokemon not Realism xD

Nah December 22nd, 2016 5:15 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/charizard-megay.gif
Charizard-Mega Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
-Fire Blast
-Solar Beam
-Focus Blast
-Roost

gimmepie December 22nd, 2016 8:07 PM

Dragalge @Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 228 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 28 Spe
Modest Nature
-Draco Meteor
-Sludge Wave
-Focus Blast
-Scald

Takes practically nothing from Solar Beam or Focus Blast and can survive several Fire Blasts whilst threatening an OHKO from Draco Meteor.

InvisibleWater December 25th, 2016 9:12 PM

Magearna @ Choice Specs
Ability: Soul Heart
EVs: 200 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 48 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fleur Cannon
- Flash Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Volt Switch

Magearna is immune to both of Dragalge's STABs and can survive at least one Focus Blast while threatening an OHKO with Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon.

Frozocrone December 27th, 2016 4:08 PM

Shedinja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
- Shadow Sneak
- Protect

Couldn't think of much else but Wonder Guard makes Shedinja wall Magearna for eternity.

InvisibleWater December 27th, 2016 4:25 PM

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge

If Shedinja isn't holding Safety Goggles (and in this case, it isn't), it gets taken out in one turn by Hippowdon's Sandstorm. If it is, then it still has to worry about Stone Edge.

Zeffy December 28th, 2016 8:32 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/jellicent.gif
Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt

Jellicent walls Hippowdon, can cripple with Wisp, fish for burns with Scald (and consequently 3HKO), and Taunt to prevent Hippowdown from using Slack Off.

Megan December 28th, 2016 10:48 AM

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/magnezone.gif
Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 168 HP / 252 SpA / 88 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]


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