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Frozocrone December 28th, 2016 11:17 AM

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Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic

HP Fire is a 2HKO at best (not even a crit can OHKO). Meanwhile Excadrill outspeeds and OHKO's with Earthquake, ignoring Sturdy if you opt for it through Mold Breaker.

Zeffy December 28th, 2016 10:27 PM

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Careful nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost

gliscor is annoying

Frozocrone December 29th, 2016 2:22 AM

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Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Flamethrower

FU Gliscor (+6 is an OHKO)

Nah December 29th, 2016 6:06 AM

clefable is what's actually annoying

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Arbok @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Gunk Shot
-Coil
-Earthquake
-Sucker Punch

+1 0 SpA Clefable Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Arbok: 113-133 (43.2 - 50.9%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO

Arbok outspeeds and OHKO's with Gunk Shot if that wasn't obvious

gimmepie December 29th, 2016 11:57 PM

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Iron Head
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind


faf December 30th, 2016 12:36 AM

Helllo there:
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Salazzle @ Life Orb
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 252spa/4spd/252spe
Timid Nature
-Flamethrower
-Sludge Bomb
-Encore
-Nasty Plot

Flamethrower has a chance to OHKO whereas Iron Head is only a 5HKO. As a bonus, Salazzle can lock Skarm into either Roost or Spikes if those moves are used.

Frozocrone December 30th, 2016 1:31 AM

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Heatran @ Grassium-Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Solarbeam

Yes hello, that is you being unable to touch me

gimmepie December 30th, 2016 11:34 PM

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 16 Spe
Modest Nature
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Sludge Bomb
-Earthquake

Goodra can take 7+ Earth Powers or Flamethrowers and is not just immune to Solarbeam/Grass Z-Move by virtue of its ability but gets a powered up Earthquake as a result. It can tank anything you throw at it and then 2HKO with EQ, or if you hit it with a Grass move on the switch, OHKO.

Dark Azelf December 31st, 2016 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9522746)

Megagross can at best 4HKO Torkoal but Overheat OHKOs Megagross. (I'm assuming that Spd is meant to be Speed not Special Defense although this pretty much applies either way).

SpD = Special Defense

Spd = Speed

Writing stuff how it is on the smog stratdex lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisibleWater (Post 9530849)
Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge

If Shedinja isn't holding Safety Goggles (and in this case, it isn't), it gets taken out in one turn by Hippowdon's Sandstorm. If it is, then it still has to worry about Stone Edge.

Landorus -T @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Adamant Nature (+Atk, - SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- Smackdown

Cos gimmick.

InvisibleWater December 31st, 2016 12:37 PM

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Energy Ball

It has trouble switching in (Knock Off 2HKOs on a high roll and Earthquake hurts), but once it does, Manaphy can OHKO Landorus with Scald after one round of Life Orb recoil or Ice Beam

PlatinumDude December 31st, 2016 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisibleWater (Post 9534723)
Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Energy Ball

It has trouble switching in (Knock Off 2HKOs on a high roll and Earthquake hurts), but once it does, Manaphy can OHKO Landorus with Scald after one round of Life Orb recoil or Ice Beam

It's not a counter if it can't switch in directly. A counter is only a counter if it can easily take a hit from the opposing Pokemon and acting accordingly

Anyway:

Toxapex:
http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/748.png
-Scald
-Toxic
-Haze
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 SDef
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator

Toxapex has the bulk to take Manaphy's attacks and can Haze away its Tail Glow boosts.

Nah December 31st, 2016 5:52 PM

It still works out anyway, Lando can't OHKO Manaphy on the switch and Manaphy outspeeds and kills on the next turn with Ice Beam.

For Toxapex:

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Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
-Moonblast
-Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball

Scald doesn't do a whole lot, and the power of STAB Psychic Terrain boosted Psyshock will break it down faster than it can heal itself.

Frozocrone December 31st, 2016 6:08 PM

Tapu Lele can actually find itself go to Ubers. Shamelessly stealing the first set because it's Lele.

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Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower

Not much to say here.

Side note, if you're calling out Manaphy as not a counter you need to provide your own counter to the mon and Toxapex most certainly can't counter Lando xD

InvisibleWater December 31st, 2016 8:37 PM

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic

If Celesteela does not have Earthquake (and in this case, it doesn't), Heatran can switch in on anything it tries to do, then cripple it with Taunt or 2HKO it with Magma Storm

gimmepie January 1st, 2017 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisibleWater (Post 9535073)
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Heatran @ Leftovers / Air Balloon / Grassium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic / Solar Beam

If Celesteela does not have Earthquake (and in this case, it doesn't), Heatran can switch in on anything it tries to do, then cripple it with Taunt or 2HKO it with Magma Storm

You aren't meant to slash things in since it kind of messes with the game. So I'll just assume the first option for everything. So with that in mind

Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Extreme Speed
-Earthquake

Dragonite is immune to Earth Power and can tank Magma Storm's for eons. Lum Berry can cure Toxic on the switch if it needs to. Meanwhile EQ OHKO's Heatran.

Abby January 1st, 2017 6:30 PM

Bastiodon @Chesto Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP 200 SpD 56 Def
Careful Nature
-Taunt
-Rest
-Toxic
-Protect


Bastiodon can taunt, to stop the use of three of clefable's moves, and whittle it down with toxic, resting if needed while taking moonblasts

Frozocrone January 1st, 2017 8:33 PM

It's like Celesteela can counter most mons, just ban it already xD

I'm going to go with another option though:

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Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Earth Power
- Sludge Wave
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower

Earthpower 3HKO or 2HKOs depending on whether Bastiodon uses Rest. Bastiodon can't touch Nidoking in return.

gimmepie January 2nd, 2017 12:52 AM

Chansey @Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 Sp. Def
Bold Nature
-Toxic
-Soft Boiled
-Seismic Toss
-Heal Bell

Chansey has exactly nothing to fear from Nidoking, being able to easily remove any status affliction it cops as well as heal the already negligible damage Nidoking can inflict all the while whittling Nidoking down with Seismic Toss.

Zeffy January 2nd, 2017 5:21 AM

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Breloom @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 12 HP / 244 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly nature
- Swords Dance
- Mach Punch
- Drain Punch
- Seed Bomb

go away chansey no one loves you

gimmepie January 2nd, 2017 10:08 AM

Talonflame
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Sp. Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Acrobatics
-Flare Blitz
-Roost
-U-turn

I think this one is self-explanatory.

Frozocrone January 2nd, 2017 6:11 PM

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Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Pursuit
- Superpower
- Crunch

U-turn does around 1/3. Sandstream breaks Gale Wings Roost.

I'm not too sure, but I think Stone Edge might OHKO.

gimmepie January 2nd, 2017 6:33 PM

Tangrowth @Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Sp Def
Sassy Nature
-Leaf Storm
-Knock Off
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power Ice

TTar can 3HKO with Sandstorm damage at best but is OHKOd by Leaf Storm. Tangrowth can then simply switch out to recover any damage taken.

5qwerty January 2nd, 2017 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9536660)
Tangrowth @Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Sp Def
Sassy Nature
-Leaf Storm
-Knock Off
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power Ice

TTar can 3HKO with Sandstorm damage at best but is OHKOd by Leaf Storm. Tangrowth can then simply switch out to recover any damage taken.

Sorry to be that guy, but...

Why was this the set instead of the Rocky Helmet one? Your set gets 3HKO'd by Stone Edge (69% chance by Crunch after Sandstorm damage) and can't actually OHKO in Sand because Rock-types get the SpDef boost. Here is calc:
0 SpA Tangrowth Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar: 204-240 (59.8 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (so this factors in Sand because TTar is assumed to have Sand)

Essentially what would happen is, you come in on a Stone Edge/Crunch, take a Stone Edge/Crunch as you Leaf Storm, and then die to Stone Edge (possibly living Crunch) and then you KO with EQ (assuming you live). I guess you could switch out before after Leaf Storm, but I wouldn't really call it a counter.

EDIT: Oops I'm supposed to post an appropriate counter.

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off

TTar Stone Edge 3HKOs at best after Intimidate, while Lando definitely 2HKOs with EQ (and is faster).

gimmepie January 3rd, 2017 5:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5qwerty (Post 9536724)
Sorry to be that guy, but...

Why was this the set instead of the Rocky Helmet one? Your set gets 3HKO'd by Stone Edge (69% chance by Crunch after Sandstorm damage) and can't actually OHKO in Sand because Rock-types get the SpDef boost. Here is calc:
0 SpA Tangrowth Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar: 204-240 (59.8 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (so this factors in Sand because TTar is assumed to have Sand)

Essentially what would happen is, you come in on a Stone Edge/Crunch, take a Stone Edge/Crunch as you Leaf Storm, and then die to Stone Edge (possibly living Crunch) and then you KO with EQ (assuming you live). I guess you could switch out before after Leaf Storm, but I wouldn't really call it a counter.

EDIT: Oops I'm supposed to post an appropriate counter.

Landorus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off

TTar Stone Edge 3HKOs at best after Intimidate, while Lando definitely 2HKOs with EQ (and is faster).

You got me on that one, I did that off the top of my head instead of checking the calc like I normally do. Here's a Lando counter

Chesnaught @Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Sp. Def
Impish Nature
-Leech Seed
-Synthesis
-Drain Punch
-Spiky Shield

The best Landorus can do is 9HKO with EQ after Leftovers. Drain Punch is only a 9HKO itself however Leech Seed, Spiky Shield and Synthesis make this a moot point. Lando is pretty much forced to switch or die a slow death.

Nah January 3rd, 2017 6:05 AM

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Tornadus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 96 HP / 160 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
-Hurricane
-Knock Off
-U-Turn
-Superpower

Given that it takes only one Hurricane to annihilate Chesnaught, its healing ability is rendered moot, and Drain Punch does at best 21%.


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