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Sirfetch’d April 10th, 2017 4:51 PM

Counter that Pokémon! SM v.2
 
Since the other one kind of died off, rather than bump it I will just remake!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeffy (Post 9520932)

Counter that Pokémon! - Generation 7 Edition


Information

With the release of Gen 7, I thought it'd be great to bring back a classic game! Counter that Pokémon is essentially what it says--someone posts a Pokémon, the next person tries to counter the Pokémon, and then the next person tries to counter that Pokémon and so on and so forth! This is a fun way to test your overall game knowledge as well as to learn some of the crafty ways other people tries to counter certain threats.

Rules

  • The game requires you to post an appropriate counter to the Pokémon, not just a simple check. Learn the difference between a counter and a check by reading this in-depth explanation from Smogon. Failure to follow this rule will result in your post being called out, so keep this in mind!
  • As mentioned in the previous rule, if the previous poster fails to post a valid counter, you should call them out and post an appropriate counter to what they were countering.
  • OU Pokémon and below only, please. Here's the official banlist of SM OU. Ubers and above can counter almost anything due to their sheer power.
  • Assume that everything is one-on-one, so don't factor in entry hazard damage or luck-based strategies such as confusion.
  • Do not slash information into your Pokémon's moveset. This completely defeats the purpose of the game since you can't alter your Pokémon's moveset in an actual battle.
  • Try to post your set in a readable format. You can use Pokémon Showdown's export feature to easily create a readable moveset format.

Useful Resources


We'll start off with:



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Tapu Koko @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 1 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power [Ice]

gimmepie April 10th, 2017 8:24 PM

Lanturn @Leftovers
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
-Toxic
-Volt Switch
-Scald
-Heal Bell

Lanturn has nothing to fear from three out of four moves and can tank a minimum of six Dazzling Gleams. Meanwhile it can 3HKO with Scald or inflict Poison with Toxic.

Radiating April 10th, 2017 8:33 PM

Dragonite @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fly
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Dance

Dragonite can tank Lanturn's hits to at least set up with one Dragon Dance, then proceed to Earthquake it.

gimmepie April 10th, 2017 8:51 PM

Skarmory @Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Toxic
-Iron Head

Dragonite can't really touch Skarmory and whilst Skarmory can't really fight back it can whittle Dragonite away with Toxic and Roost.

punkysaur April 10th, 2017 10:41 PM

I asked skarmory who she doesn't want to face. She replied-

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Solar Beam
- Taunt

Chose Magma storm over lava plume to trap it

gimmepie April 10th, 2017 11:40 PM

Salamence @ Flynium Z
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Fly
-Earthquake
-Outrage

The only move that does any real harm is Magma Storm which 3HKOs at best. Meanwhile Salamence OHKOs with EQ picking up that sweet Moxie boost.

Christos April 11th, 2017 2:53 AM

Don't want to post Skarmory again sooo...

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP/ 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Even though its EVs are in Special Defence, due to its typing Salamence needs at least 3 turns to defeat it. HP Ice is a 2HKO with Heavy Slam also having an 80% to 2HKO as well.

gimmepie April 11th, 2017 3:14 AM

Volcanion @Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
-Flamthrower
-Steam Eruption
-Sludge Wave
-Hidden Power [Grass]

Takes pretty much anything Celesteela dishes out and then murders it with Flamethrower or Steam Eruption.

Christos April 11th, 2017 4:26 AM

Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Atk / 16 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Poison Jab
- Shadow Sneak

Only Draco Meteor can hurt it significantly but that won't even 2HKO because of the attack drops. Knock Off OHKOs Latios.

Sirfetch’d April 11th, 2017 4:43 AM

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Hidden Power Ice
- U-turn

Takes minimal damage from Muk, especially after intimidate, and can easily pick up a kill with Earthquake.

0 Atk Landorus-Therian Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Muk-Alola: 378-446 (91.3 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Mobile Tsk April 11th, 2017 5:17 AM

Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Toxic
- Roost
- Defog
- Brave Bird

Once Landorus-T's set is revealed to be a defensive set, Skarmory will wall it competely. Rocky Helmet discourages Landorus-T from using U-Turn throughout the match. With Lando-T's Impish nature and lack of investment in SpA, HP Ice damage can be easily Roosted off and Skarmory's quadruple resistance to U-Turn and immunity to Earthquake means it won't take much damage from Lando-T's moves at all. Skarmory's slow speed will allow it to move second when using Roost, preventing Earthquake from hitting a grounded Skarmory. Skarmory can then easily stall out Lando-T with Toxic + Roost.

Christos April 11th, 2017 5:26 AM

Magearna @ Assault Vest
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fleur Cannon
- Flash Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Thunderbolt

Toxic has no effect and Brave Bird is a possible 7HKO. Thunderbolt takes care of Skarmory.

Sirfetch’d April 11th, 2017 5:28 AM

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Bone
- Fire Punch
- Bonemerang
- Will-O-Wisp

Resists Magearna's 2 STABs and is immune to the latter two due to it's typing and ability, respectively. Can easily pick up a kill with Fire Punch or Bonemerang

Frozocrone April 11th, 2017 6:30 AM

Technically speaking Marowak-A is just a check, since Magearna can get a 2HKO with a combination of Flash Cannon on the switch in and Fleur Cannon when Marowak attacks - of which Fire Punch and Bonemerang fail to OHKO 100% of the time. But it's such a small probability as it involves high rolls on both Flash and Fleur Cannon (and no sane person keeps Magearna in) so I'll just counter Marowak.

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/tapufini.gif
Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Def / 16 SpD / 52 Spe
Calm Nature
- Taunt
- Nature's Madness
- Moonblast
- Hydro Pump

Misty Terrain neuters WoW. Shadow Bone has a ~44% chance to 2HKO and Fire Punch and Bonemerang don't even have a chance to 2HKO.

In return, Fini outspeeds and OHKO's with Hydro Pump.

Christos April 11th, 2017 6:51 AM

252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 344-408 (94.7 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Fire Punch failing to OHKO and Magearna actually hitting with Flash Cannon on the switch and having both it and Fleur Cannon have high damage rolls is very unlikely.

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Synthesis

Megan April 11th, 2017 7:46 AM

Latios @ Soul Dew
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock
- Draco Meteor
- Hidden Power Fire
- Recover

252+ SpA Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 124-147 (41.1 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Soul Dew Latios Psyshock vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Venusaur: 368-434 (102.5 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Sirfetch’d April 11th, 2017 7:56 AM

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power Fire

Can switch in and either be immune, resist, or take small damage from either of the moves and OHKO in return with Moonblast.

Frozocrone April 11th, 2017 8:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christos (Post 9615591)
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 344-408 (94.7 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Yeah, looking at my comment, I've worded that badly. I meant to say that the Magearna could theoretically beat that Marowak which made it a check, not a counter.

But anyway, that's neither here or there, because it's such a slim chance of happening.

Countering Tapu Lele:

Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Atk / 16 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Poison Jab
- Shadow Sneak

Muk OHKO's with Poison Jab. Tapu Lele has a 99.9% chance to 4HKO

gimmepie April 11th, 2017 10:14 AM

Venusaur @Venusaurite
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 232 HP / 180 SpA / 80 SpD / 16 Spe
Modest Nature
-Giga Drain
-Sludge Bomb
-Synthesis
-Hidden Power [Fire]

M-Venu tanks everything Gigalith has and 2HKOs with Giga Drain, also recovering lost HP.

Sirfetch’d April 11th, 2017 11:01 AM

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock

Heatran can taunt Venusaur from using Synthesis and proceed to kill with Lava Plume. Venusaur cannot touch Heatran at all.

wolf April 11th, 2017 11:19 AM

https://i.imgur.com/Z3Xd7hH.gif
Octillery @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 212 HP / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Fire Blast
- Energy Ball
- Ice Beam

Puny Heatran.

FireSnow April 11th, 2017 11:34 AM

Little out of the box on this one

Dat Bulk Tho (Porygon2) @ Normalium Z
Ability: Download
EVs: 196 HP / 84 SpA / 228 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Tri Attack
- Conversion
- Thunderbolt

OHKOs with +1 T-Bolt after Z-Conversion or if it gets the Download boost even, while outspeeding in normal conditions and tanking hits in a Trick Room setup.

Octillery really doesn't have a chance

wolf April 11th, 2017 12:03 PM

https://i.imgur.com/P3vZysz.gif
Escavalier @ Choice Band
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Megahorn
- Iron Head
- Pursuit
- Knock Off

P2 fails to 2HKO and Escavalier 2HKOes back.

edit: Just realized that P2 could use Z-Conversion on the switch and use it again to get Ghost-typing and resist Megahorn. Meh, I'll leave this here anyway.

Sirfetch’d April 11th, 2017 12:30 PM

Magneton @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power Fire

Magneton can switch in and survive any of the attacks then trap and kill with HP Fire.

pow

wolf April 11th, 2017 12:36 PM

I heard you like

Swampert @ Choice Band
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
- Superpower

Christos April 11th, 2017 2:38 PM

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 116 Def / 128 SpD / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite

no explanation needed

Mobile Tsk April 11th, 2017 3:46 PM

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Waterfall
- Aqua Jet
- Superpower

Quite an unconventional set, but it totally walls Heatmor even with Grass-type coverage.

Sirfetch’d April 11th, 2017 7:39 PM

Vileplume @ Black Sludge
Ability: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Moonlight
- Sludge Bomb
- Sleep Powder

252+ Atk Choice Band Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vileplume: 54-63 (15.2 - 17.7%) -- possible 9HKO after Black Sludge recovery

0 SpA Vileplume Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 254-300 (74.2 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Christos April 11th, 2017 11:51 PM

Mandibuzz @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 240 HP / 216 SpD / 52 Spe
Careful Nature
- Taunt
- Roost
- Knock Off
- Brave Bird

Can't sleep, can take 6-7 Sludge Bombs and has Roost. Brave Bird 3HKOs and Taunt won't let Vileplume recover any health.

gimmepie April 12th, 2017 1:25 AM

Xurkitree @Electrium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Tail Glow
-Energy Ball
-Hidden Power [Ice]

Both of Mandibuzz's offensive moves 5HKO whilst Xurk will 2HKO with TBolt or OHKO with Gigavolt Havoc.

Sirfetch’d April 12th, 2017 4:41 AM

Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock

Immune to T-bolt, survives any of the other attacks(assuming unboosted), or switches in on the boost while outspeeding on the next turn and KOing with Earthquake.

Frozocrone April 12th, 2017 6:39 AM

So wanted to use Talonflame as a check but alas, too much damage if we consider standard field conditions.

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 168 SpD / 96 Spe
Careful Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost

Roost and Poison Heal outheal Excadrill's moves. Gliscor can set up and KO with Earthquake.

Sirfetch’d April 12th, 2017 6:53 AM

Articuno @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe
Modest Nature
- Agility
- Ice Beam
- Hurricane
- Hidden Power Fighting

Megan April 12th, 2017 7:29 AM

Registeel @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpD
Careful Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Iron Head
- Toxic
- Protect

252+ SpA Life Orb Articuno Hidden Power Fighting vs. 252 HP / 232+ SpD Registeel: 83-99 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Registeel Iron Head vs. 28 HP / 0 Def Articuno: 134-162 (40.8 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

gimmepie April 12th, 2017 8:11 AM

Arcanine @Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
-Flare Blitz
-Extreme Speed
-Morning Sun
-Will-O-Wisp

Tanks then 2HKOs with Flare Blitz

5qwerty April 12th, 2017 9:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9616534)
Arcanine @Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
-Flare Blitz
-Extreme Speed
-Morning Sun
-Will-O-Wisp

Tanks then 2HKOs with Flare Blitz

We're going to assume worst case for you (since only counter under worst case), but minus hax. So you always get 50/50's wrong, but he can't get double Protect (1/3 chance but whatever). Due to the nature of Flare Blitz as a recoil move, we'll be calculating both max and min rolls.

Toxic on the switch, Arcanine left at 360 (lefties -> poison).

Protect next turn, Arcanine left at 337 (lefties -> poison).

Seismic Toss next turn, plus Toxic will take you down to 191. If you Morning Sun, it goes off before this damage, and takes you to 237. ESpeed and Wisp are suboptimal, since the damage from neither will be able to help you KO faster, so we will only consider Flare Blitz and Morning Sun.

Assuming Morning Sun turn 3 (turn 1 being Toxic on the switch), you're at 237. Under our assumption, if you Flare Blitz, he can Protect, and if you MS he will SToss.
- If you Morning Sun, you will end with 214, leaving you in the same situation as last turn, but with less health than the turn before, and with more Toxic damage racking up. It's safe to say that Flare Blitz is better here.
- If you Flare Blitz (min 198, max 234 - recoil min 66, max 78), he can Protect this turn. Him Protecting will leave you with 168.

We're in the same situation as last turn, except we know that his Protect will fail (assumption). So your only choice is to Flare Blitz, since using Morning Sun will leave you in the same predicament as after turn 3, but with lower health (meaning he can Protect again). Recoil + SToss + Toxic will kill you for sure, so this does not work out.

Now what if instead of using Morning Sun on turn 3, we use Flare Blitz? You go to 191 after SToss + Lefties + Toxic, so if you Flare Blitz then your health will be between 125 and 137 (inclusive). If you Morning Sun the turn after, you get to 147 health, which is not worth since Toxic racks up 23 damage per turn, and 147 - 125 = 22, which would give you about the same time to live. We can conclude in this case that Morning Sun is also suboptimal.

After this, Registeel Protects, Arcanine goes down to a number between 56 and 68. It can be seen that at best, the next turn Arcanine will go down along with Registeel. If two min rolls are dealt, Registeel can survive due to the extra turn of Leftovers it gets from Protect.

I guess you technically "win" by taking out Registeel with Flare Blitz, since it does faint before you do. But I would not call this Arcanine set a counter to this Registeel. In reality, the Registeel player would have to make many correct predictions on when Arcanine recovers, but would also have a good chance of getting a double Protect. But I guess in reality, there are also other Pokémon that you can switch to.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, here's a Doublade set to counter Registeel:
Doublade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Atk / 96 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Shadow Claw
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance

Mobile Tsk April 12th, 2017 3:13 PM

Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Soak
- Toxic
- Recover
- Counter

Nah April 12th, 2017 3:19 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/tapukoko.gif
Tapu Koko @ Electrium Z
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-U-Turn
-Dazzling Gleam

252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Pyukumuku in Electric Terrain: 284-336 (90.4 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

lack of Innards Out makes Pyu not scary

Radiating April 12th, 2017 3:24 PM

Excadrill @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rock Slide
- Rapid Spin

Excadrill can tank shots, then fire back with STAB earthquake.

Sirfetch’d April 12th, 2017 6:51 PM

Volcarona @ Firium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Fire Blast
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power Ground

Volcarona can switch into any of these moves and not take much damage and then return kill with 2 Fire Blasts or one Inferno Overdrive.

0 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 93-109 (29.9 - 35%) -- 17% chance to 3HKO

0 SpA Celesteela Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Volcarona: 66-78 (21.2 - 25%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO

252 SpA Volcarona Inferno Overdrive (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 444-524 (111.5 - 131.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 SpA Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 266-314 (66.8 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Mobile Tsk April 12th, 2017 7:16 PM

Mantine @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
- Scald
- Roost
- Air Slash
- Haze

Can tank any hit even at +2 and use Haze; can then easily stall out Volcarona with Roost.

Sirfetch’d April 12th, 2017 8:20 PM

Eelektross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Giga Drain
- Flamethrower

Can tank anything Mantine throws at it and then KO with Thunderbolt.

252+ SpA Eelektross Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mantine: 316-376 (84.4 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

0 SpA Mantine Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Eelektross: 58-69 (15.5 - 18.4%) -- possible 6HKO

Christos April 13th, 2017 1:07 AM

Zygarde-10% @ Choice Band
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Thousand Arrows
- Outrage
- Superpower

Giga Drain is a 3HKO while this dog is faster and can OHKO with Thousand Arrows

gimmepie April 13th, 2017 2:39 AM

Mamoswine @Life Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 200 HP / 148 Atk / 162 Def
Naive Nature
-Ice Shard
-Icicle Crash
-Earthquake
-Freeze Dry

Tanks your attacks and OHKOs with priority Ice Shard. If you beat the prio with Extreme Speed, Mamoswine still tanks and picks up the OHKO.

Mobile Tsk April 13th, 2017 6:22 AM

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature | 0 Spe IV
- Gyro Ball
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake

Icicle Crash won't even 5HKO most of the time due to Leftovers recovery. Gyro Ball is an easy 2HKO.

Christos April 13th, 2017 6:41 AM

Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Hidden Power Grass

None of Bronzong's moves do significant damage even with Stealth Rock up, and Fire Blast is an OHKO

Radiating April 13th, 2017 6:52 AM

Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Wing Attack
- Earthquake
- Roost

Mega Aerodactyl is faster and it can OHKO Moltres with Stone Edge.

Mobile Tsk April 13th, 2017 7:51 AM

Solrock @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Rock Slide
- Morning Sun
- Will-O-Wisp
- Reflect

After Reflect is up, Solrock will have no trouble tanking Aerodactyl's attacks and stalling with Morning Sun. It can then further cripple Aerodactyl with a burn or just 2HKO it with Rock Slide.

Sirfetch’d April 13th, 2017 8:05 AM

Gastrodon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Electric]

Takes little damage from Solrock and is not bothered much by a burn. Can easily OHKO with Surf.

Mobile Tsk April 13th, 2017 8:50 AM

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Power Whip
- Iron Tail
- Outrage
- Earthquake

Ice Beam will 4HKO at best and Power Whip will OHKO uninvested Gastrodon.

gimmepie April 13th, 2017 9:13 AM

Gogoat @Leftovers
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
-Milk Drink
-Toxic
-Horn Leech
-Earthquake

Gogoat can tank all of Goodra's attacks and then stall it out with Toxic/Milk Drink. Even better if it switches in on Power Whip and it picks up an Atk boost.

Frozocrone April 13th, 2017 9:17 AM

Crobat @ Black Sludge
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 248 HP / 48 Def / 212 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Taunt
- Toxic
- Roost

lol

Christos April 13th, 2017 12:11 PM

Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Zen Headbutt
- U-Turn
- Fire Punch

Nah April 13th, 2017 12:21 PM

Volcanion @ Expert Belt
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpDef
Modest Nature
-Fire Blast
-Steam Eruption
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power Electric

252 Atk Jirachi Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcanion: 93-111 (30.8 - 36.8%) -- 69.3% chance to 3HKO

and then Fire Blast murders it

boom

Frozocrone April 13th, 2017 12:38 PM

Alright, just a few changes and viola!

Volcanion @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpDef
Timid Nature
-Fire Blast
-Steam Eruption
-Sludge Bomb
-Earth Power

HP Electric 2HKO's. My Volcanion outspeeds and OHKO's with Earthpower

wolf April 13th, 2017 7:04 PM

Goodra @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Sludge Wave
- Dragon Pulse

Volcanion doesn't 2HKO, while Goodra OHKOes w/ DM or Tbolt.

Sirfetch’d April 13th, 2017 8:15 PM

Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Soft-Boiled
- Seismic Toss
- Heal Bell

Too tired to think of a better counter so lol

Stomachs anything Goodra throws at it, heals back damage, cures status hax with Heal Bell, and wins with Toxic and Toss.

gimmepie April 13th, 2017 10:50 PM

Espeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 8 HP / 248 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Morning Sun

Doesn't have to worry about Toxic and can heal back any damage from Toss. Wins with Psyshock, especially if it takes the time to boost with Calm Mind.

Frozocrone April 13th, 2017 11:08 PM

Raticate - Alolan @ Figy Berry
Ability: Gluttony
EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 240 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Crunch
- Return
- Super Fang
- Sucker Punch

kek

Mobile Tsk April 14th, 2017 3:10 AM

Mimikyu @ Life Orb
Ability: Disguise
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Play Rough
- Shadow Sneak
- Wood Hammer

With LO damage, Sucker Punch is a 3HKO, but that's after Mimikyu's disguise has been busted. Play Rough is an OHKO even unboosted.

Sirfetch’d April 14th, 2017 5:28 AM

Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Def / 240 SpD
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake

+6 252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron-Mega: 114-136 (33.1 - 39.5%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO

+6 252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron-Mega: 127-151 (36.9 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+6 252 Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron-Mega: 113-134 (32.8 - 38.9%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO

0 Atk Aggron-Mega Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mimikyu: 416-492 (165.7 - 196%) -- guaranteed OHKO

EDIT: IDK if Aggronite has actually been released yet, but for the purpose of this thread, I am going to pretend it is 8D

Mobile Tsk April 14th, 2017 7:02 AM

Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Protect
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover

Sableye can block Roar/SR, cripple Aggron with a burn and easily stall it out.

Christos April 14th, 2017 7:09 AM

Primarina @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- HP Fire

Sirfetch’d April 14th, 2017 5:34 PM

Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Taunt
- Soft-Boiled
- Will-O-Wisp
- Knock Off

252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mew: 210-247 (51.9 - 61.1%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Mew tanks this hit fairly well and then outspeeds and Knocks Off the Specs the second turn:

252+ SpA Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mew: 139-165 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- 54.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Mew then proceeds to recover enough health to use Will-O-Wisp. After that Mew then begins to stall with Softboiled recovery.

Mobile Tsk April 14th, 2017 6:23 PM

Heracross @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
- Knock Off
- Megahorn
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge

Sirfetch’d April 14th, 2017 6:59 PM

Granbull @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Heal Bell
- Earthquake
- Thunder Wave

Granbull can switch in and easily tank a few hits after Intimidate and then OHKO with Play Rough.

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Granbull: 131-155 (34.1 - 40.3%) -- 42.2% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Granbull: 147-173 (38.2 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Granbull Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Heracross: 386-456 (106 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mobile Tsk April 14th, 2017 7:16 PM

Charizard @ Choice Specs
Ability: Blaze
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power Ice
- Focus Blast

Sirfetch’d April 14th, 2017 7:43 PM

Tapu Fini @ Choice Specs
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 172 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Moonblast

Mobile Tsk April 15th, 2017 4:50 AM

Tried to think of something more creative. Couldn't lol

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball

Nah April 15th, 2017 5:32 AM

Torkoal @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
-Lava Plume
-Solar Beam
-Toxic
-Rapid Spin

really all I need is a fire type lol

Sirfetch’d April 15th, 2017 6:52 AM

Pelipper @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 248 HP / 196 Def / 64 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Hurricane
- U-turn
- Roost

Gets rid of the sun with Drizzle which makes Lava Plume do less than it already would and makes Solar Beam a charge up move. Easily wins with Scald.

Frozocrone April 15th, 2017 7:28 AM

Again, I fail to see the next page. I'm so hopeless.

Lanturn @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 132 SpD / 124 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Volt Switch
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power Fire

there we go

Mobile Tsk April 15th, 2017 8:04 AM

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Scald
- Toxic

Radiating April 15th, 2017 10:07 AM

Serperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power Fire
- Dragon Pulse
- Glare

One or Two Leaf Storms and Quagsire goes bye-bye.

Sirfetch’d April 15th, 2017 10:16 AM

Bouffalant @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Facade

Sirfetch’d April 16th, 2017 7:35 AM

Doublade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Gyro Ball
- Toxic
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Doublade: 85-101 (26.3 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

4 Atk Doublade Gyro Ball (111 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 174-205 (55.9 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Christos April 16th, 2017 10:07 AM

Torkoal @ Life Orb
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shell Smash
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Rapid Spin

Radiating April 16th, 2017 1:17 PM

Leafeon @ Choice Band
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Leaf Blade
- Knock Off
- Double-Edge

Sirfetch’d April 16th, 2017 7:12 PM

Skarmory @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Weak Armor
EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 24 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Brave Bird
- Pursuit

Christos April 17th, 2017 12:13 AM

Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Fire Fang

Nah April 17th, 2017 5:21 AM

Landorus-Therian @ Rockium Z
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Knock Off

Can survive a hit on the switch-in thanks to Intimidate, then outspeeds and OHKOs with EQ on the next turn

Sirfetch’d April 17th, 2017 6:21 AM

Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Reflect Type

Survives anything and then outspeeds and KOs with Ice Beam

gimmepie April 17th, 2017 6:41 AM

Tyranitar @Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Pursuit
-Superpower

Without Reflect Type, it can 2HKO with Stone Edge or Crunch or do massive damage with Pursuit anticipating a switch. With Reflect Type, it can 2KHO with Stone Edge or OHKO with Superpower. Meanwhile, Latias has no reliable method of damaging TTar.

Sirfetch’d April 18th, 2017 4:13 PM

Mawile @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off

Intimidate lowers the attack and then Mawile resists everything except Superpower. KOs with Play Rough.

gimmepie April 19th, 2017 7:36 AM

Steelix @Steelixite
Ability: Sand Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 56 Def / 200 SpD
Impish Nature
-Earthquake
-Roar
-Heavy Slam
-Stealth Rock

Can tank five of any of M-Mawile's unboosted attacks and 2HKO with EQ or Heavy Slam. If M-Mawile goes for Swords Dance it can still survive and 2HKO (just) or simply phase it out.

wolf April 19th, 2017 10:04 AM

Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Hidden Power Grass
- Roost

M Steelix fails to KO even with SR up, and Moltres OHKOes back.

PlatinumDude April 19th, 2017 11:48 AM

Nihilego:
https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/sun-moon/dex/normal/nihilego.png
-Power Gem
-Sludge Bomb
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Thunderbolt
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Choice Scarf

Even with no investment in special bulk, Nihilego takes a pittance from Moltres' attacks and KOs back with Power Gem.

Christos April 19th, 2017 1:00 PM

Dugtrio-Alola @ Life Orb
Ability: Tangling Hair
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Stone Edge

Immune to half its moves and 4x resistant to Power Gem, with HP Ice not really doing much. Both its STABs OHKO.

Radiating April 19th, 2017 1:06 PM

Primarina @ Choice Specs
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Energy Blast

One specs Hydro Pump and Dugtrio faints. (It can tank at least one hit)

Christos April 19th, 2017 1:15 PM

Primarina's only a check, not a counter, as if it switches into any of Dugtrio's STABs it dies the next turn. Hydro Pump's accuracy makes it even less reliable against Dugtrio. Air Balloon Primarina would save the day.

wolf April 19th, 2017 1:39 PM

Bronzong @ Macho Brace
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
- Trick Room
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
- Explosion

@Dugtrio-A: Sucker Punch is too weak to do much. Bronzong OHKOes w/ EQ.

Sirfetch’d April 19th, 2017 3:01 PM

Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 232 Def / 28 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Calm Mind

Doesn't take much damage and can win with Scald and recovery.

Frozocrone April 20th, 2017 7:33 PM

Cacturne @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Superpower

top kek

Sirfetch’d April 20th, 2017 7:36 PM

Gourgeist-Super @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Synthesis
- Foul Play
- Leech Seed

Can't do much to Cacturne, but stalls out with burn and Synthesis.

Radiating April 20th, 2017 7:37 PM

Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flame Thrower
- Solar Beam
- Focus Blast
- Roost

Sirfetch’d April 21st, 2017 5:00 AM

Sliggoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Outrage
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Tanks absolutely anything Zard throws at it, even being immune to Solar Beam. Can 3HKO with Outrage, but also rest off damage to avoid the possible 4HKO by Focus Blast. Once Focus Blast is out of PP, Sliggoo has no fear.

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 88+ SpD Eviolite Sliggoo: 77-91 (22.6 - 26.7%) -- 30.4% chance to 4HKO

0 Atk Sliggoo Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 126-148 (42.4 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

gimmepie April 21st, 2017 6:09 AM

Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Play Rough
-Aqua Jet
-Waterfall
-Superpower

Self-explanatory really.

Christos April 21st, 2017 7:32 AM

Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Merciless
EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Recover
- Surf
- Sludge Wave

Sirfetch’d April 21st, 2017 4:01 PM

Jirachi @ Normalium Z
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 12 HP / 236 Atk / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Iron Head
- Zen Headbutt
- Drain Punch
- Happy Hour

5qwerty April 21st, 2017 5:20 PM

I have a question: what counts as "hax"?

If I go for Iron Head with Jirachi, I'm statistically more likely to flinch than not (60/40). Would it be fair to assume that NOT flinching is "hax", then?

(Not trying to take anything away from Chase, him posting Jirachi just reminded me of my question)


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