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gimmepie May 7th, 2017 8:28 PM

Alolan Mix-Up: Submit a movepool for Alolan Butterfree!
 
Alolan Mix-Up

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Make-a-Mega is returning, but it's not returning alone! I'll be alternating the months we create Mega Evolutions in MaM with months we create an Alolan Form in the Alolan Mix-Up. Since Generation Seven is the most recent, we'll be starting things off with a Mix-Up.

How This Works


An Alolan Mix-Up works much the same as MaM does. Over a number of weeks we'll work together as a community to create an Alolan regional variant of an existing Pokemon from one of the other regions. Here in Battling & Team Building, we'll decide on our Alolan Pokemon's new type, ability, stat distribution and also changes to its movepool. Meanwhile, once our Pokemon is selected, a partner thread in Art & Design will go up where the appearance of our Pokemon will be designed.

Decisions here will be made through a series of quick polls. Each week we will have three days of submissions and then four days with the poll up to make our decisions. The poll topics will be as follows

Week One: Pokemon Selection
Week Two: Type Selection
Week Three: Ability Selection (Same number of abilities as the original form)
Week Four: Stat Distribution
Week Five: Moves by Level Up

Rules


To keep things fair and make sure we don't break the games' lore, we'll have some rules to follow.

1. No Legendary Pokemon
2. You may only submit one suggestion for each poll.
3. Don't submit Pokemon native to Alola, that already possess Alolan forms or that have a Mega Evolution.
5. Whilst you can rearrange the stats of the Alola form, you cannot change the Pokemon's base stat total.
6. Try to give some reasoning for your suggestions and feel free to discuss those of other participants.
7. Have fun. Or else.

With all that out of the way, feel free to start putting some ideas forward!


Sirfetch’d May 7th, 2017 8:34 PM

Let's give Butterfree an Alola form!

Sonata May 7th, 2017 10:17 PM

Let's give Dunsparce an Alolan form

punkysaur May 8th, 2017 4:40 AM

Damn psyduck needs love.Lets make Psyduck great again.

FireSnow May 8th, 2017 9:04 AM

I wanna see Poliwag and co. get some of that 7th gen love

SoaPuffball May 9th, 2017 2:57 AM

Let's make an Alolan Carbink! :p

gimmepie May 11th, 2017 1:58 AM

I think Alolan Ambipom could be fun.
Poll going up now!

Sirfetch’d May 11th, 2017 4:36 AM

I voted for Butterfree!(Obviously) It was rumored to have an Alola form, but that turned out to be untrue. I still think it has a ton of possibilities for a new form and needs some love. Especially since Beedrill has a mega!

Christos May 11th, 2017 4:54 AM

Voted for all Kanto Pokémon! I think they're the ones who would make for creative Alolan forms with unusual typings.

punkysaur May 11th, 2017 8:17 AM

Voted for psyduck. Btw I realised that changing psyduck's typing would mean it affecting golduck too. I might only suggest from now on the final evolutions.
Here are the reasons for not voting others-
Carbink-Diancie already has a mega evo
Poliwag-Changing poliwag's typing would mean changing poliwhirl and polowrath's typing(ignoring politoed)
Dunsprace- What's a dunsprace?
Butterfree - Jealousy
Ambipom - Now I come to think of it, I like idea of ambipom getting an alolan form.

wolf May 12th, 2017 8:12 PM

I voted for Psyduck and Poliwag with the assumption that we're doing the final evolutions. Butterfree got my vote too.

Butterfree could be Bug/Psychic. Golduck has a ton of possibilities, such as Psychic, Dark, Ghost, Ice, and maybe even drop the Water typing. Alolan Politoed could be like one of those frogs in Zelda that fly in clouds. Poliwrath is a bit restricted unless its Water typing is removed for something like Poison, but then it'll just be another Toxicroak...

gimmepie May 12th, 2017 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 9645583)
I voted for Psyduck and Poliwag with the assumption that we're doing the final evolutions. Butterfree got my vote too.

Butterfree could be Bug/Psychic. Golduck has a ton of possibilities, such as Psychic, Dark, Ghost, Ice, and maybe even drop the Water typing. Alolan Politoed could be like one of those frogs in Zelda that fly in clouds. Poliwrath is a bit restricted unless its Water typing is removed for something like Poison, but then it'll just be another Toxicroak...

With the Alola Forms, I'll do whichever evolutionary stage I'm given and then write for the appropriate meta.

gimmepie May 15th, 2017 11:02 PM

Sorry for being a day late guys! PC went down and it kind of slipped my mind to do this earlier today. Butterfree has won a narrow victory in the poll so now it's time to choose a new type (or new types!) for it. Throw your suggestions at us!

Sirfetch’d May 16th, 2017 5:25 AM

Bug/Psychic

Sirfetch’d May 16th, 2017 7:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aurora (Post 9648830)
Bug / Psychic

Butterfree's Flying typing doesn't do much for it. Offensively, its most powerful Flying-type move is Hidden Power Flying, which is never worth using. Defensively, it protects Butterfree from both forms of Spikes and Sticky Web but leaves it horrifically weak to Stealth Rock, which is much more concerning. The other major issue with this typing is that it means Butterfree must compete with the 4,504,383 other Bug / Flying Quiver Dance sweepers in the lower tiers.

Now, with a Bug / Psychic typing, there come several drawbacks. First, Butterfree is no longer immune to Ground-type moves. However, this is mostly irrelevant, as Butterfree is hard-pressed to switch into any attacks in the first place and almost everything that runs Ground-type moves for STAB carries Rock-type coverage anyway. Next, Butterfree is now vulnerable to every form of entry hazard. This is actually quite concerning, but Sticky Web and Toxic Spikes are not common in PU, and having a lessened Stealth Rock weakness is somewhat helpful. Butterfree also gains very bothersome weaknesses to Ghost- and Dark-type moves, which no Pokemon really wants - in particular, it is even easier to Pursuit trap.

However, this Butterfree's offensive capabilities improve markedly. It now has a secondary STAB which hits quite hard in Psychic, giving it a niche over the plethora of other Bug-type Quiver Dancers in the lower tiers. Bug complements Psychic fairly well, letting Butterfree discourage Dark-types from switching in. It also becomes a better offensive check to Fighting-types with its brand, spanking new STAB move. You could even run Sleep Powder / Dream Eater!!!!! (pls dont)

I know we aren't to the ability phase yet, but Magic Guard could be really good and make sense if we go with Bug/Psychic

Christos May 16th, 2017 9:34 AM

let's go with something different/cool instead

Bug/Dark

vampire butterfly with leech life pls

Sonata May 16th, 2017 3:32 PM

bug/ghost

FireSnow May 16th, 2017 4:24 PM

I like christos' idea, bug/psychic makes sense but that feels more mega-butterfree to me, alola form is meant to be different than expected in my eyes so I'm going with the bug/dark combo as well, maybe butterfree had to become more aggressive/stealthy to survive

Sirfetch’d May 16th, 2017 5:31 PM

I wouldn't mind a bug/dark type! We could give it cool moves like crunch, leech life, etc

gimmepie May 16th, 2017 5:59 PM

Bug/Ghost sounds interesting. I imagine some really cool designs could come of it and its has the same benefit of being able to scare off Dark Pokemon that might want to switch in and carries two types its immune to... plus it wouldn't have the Fairy weakness which is something nothing needs with Fairy running rampant everywhere.

wolf May 16th, 2017 8:58 PM

Dark or Ghost vampire Butterfree sounds amazing. Bug/Ghost isn't that out of the left field either, because it learns Shadow Ball, Ominous Wind, and Nightmare. Dark maybe fits the theme better.

Bug/Grass is a possibility since it learns all those powder status moves.

gimmepie May 16th, 2017 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 9649421)
Dark or Ghost vampire Butterfree sounds amazing. Bug/Ghost isn't that out of the left field either, because it learns Shadow Ball, Ominous Wind, and Nightmare. Dark maybe fits the theme better.

Bug/Grass is a possibility since it learns all those powder status moves.

We can change its movepool anyway. xD

punkysaur May 17th, 2017 9:08 AM

Well I would love a bug/rock. Just that it will need a major overhaul in its movepool.

Sirfetch’d May 21st, 2017 6:19 AM

I voted for Bug/Dark and Bug/Psychic! I think both are very interesting options and have a ton of potential.

gimmepie May 22nd, 2017 2:13 AM

Bug/Dark it is!

So what kind of abilities should it have? Remember submissions should include the same number of abilities a normal butterfree could have (2 including the HA).

wolf May 22nd, 2017 1:54 PM

Maybe an original ability that applies Leech Life effects to every contact move. "Life Drain"? If we go down the route of making a vampire Butterfree, it's doable with stats such as these: 50 HP / 135 Atk / 50 Def / 5 SAtk / 50 SDef / 105 Spe. Could move 5 or 10 more stats to SAtk from something else to be fairer and more in line with what they did to Mega Beedrill.

Sirfetch’d May 22nd, 2017 1:56 PM

I like wolf's ability suggestion but maybe name is Soul Sap

gimmepie May 23rd, 2017 1:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf (Post 9654671)
Maybe an original ability that applies Leech Life effects to every contact move. "Life Drain"? If we go down the route of making a vampire Butterfree, it's doable with stats such as these: 50 HP / 135 Atk / 50 Def / 5 SAtk / 50 SDef / 105 Spe. Could move 5 or 10 more stats to SAtk from something else to be fairer and more in line with what they did to Mega Beedrill.

What about the other ability?

gimmepie May 25th, 2017 2:29 AM

So we didn't actually get enough ability suggestions so I'm going to throw in Infiltrator for a combination of

Infiltrator/Soul Sap

Sirfetch’d May 25th, 2017 8:02 PM

Infiltrator is pretty cool! I was thinking that as well for a 2nd ability. I do wonder how strong we should make Soul Sap(Spirit Sap?). Would it be 50% as well, stacking with Leech Life for 75% healing? What about 20% healing on all contact moves?

Christos May 25th, 2017 11:30 PM

20% on all contact moves would work, with Leech Life then getting 70% healing (op?)

I'm also going to suggest Adaptability because Mega Beedrill

gimmepie May 26th, 2017 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christos (Post 9657975)
20% on all contact moves would work, with Leech Life then getting 70% healing (op?)

I'm also going to suggest Adaptability because Mega Beedrill

Depends what it hits. I don't think it's that bad.

Adaptability with? Remember this isn't a Mega.

takeKopter May 26th, 2017 12:58 PM

Infiltrator is cool, but Dry Skin also makes sense since harsh sunlight is fatal to vampires.

Christos May 26th, 2017 1:41 PM

Oooh I like Dry Skin too!

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9657998)
Adaptability with? Remember this isn't a Mega.

I suggested that in addition to the Soul Sap ability.

Sirfetch’d May 26th, 2017 5:02 PM

It could have 2 main abilities and then a HA. Soul Sap and Infiltrator/Adaptability and maybe Dry Skin as a HA.

gimmepie May 27th, 2017 12:30 AM

Okay, so since we ended up going over. I'm going to run the poll whilst we discuss stat distribution. So the poll for abilities is going up now. As soon as someone gets rid of the old poll for me.

When discussing stats, remember this isn't a Mega Pokemon, it's an Alolan form. You can redistribute Butterfree's stats, but you can't change its BST.

gimmepie May 28th, 2017 1:10 AM

Keeping in mind Soul Sap causing Alolan-Butterfree to recover 20% of the damage it does when it makes contact, a physical set makes the most sense stat-wise imo.

HP: 60
Atk: 95
Def: 50
SpA: 20
SpD: 70
Spe: 100

I figure we'll probably give it something like Hone Claws or Swords Dance in the next section since Quiver Dance will be useless. The defenses here are still pitiful, but I think that's an important balancing factor given that Soul Sap Leech Life recovers 70% of the damage it deals, which is a lot if its got an OHKO or 2HKO. +2 Alolan Butterfree would be a nightmare for a lot of things to switch into, including M-Venu, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu, Greninja and Alolan Marowak.

Worth noting that with Dry Skin, it'd be a brilliant check for Ash-Greninja.

Sirfetch’d May 29th, 2017 4:53 PM

I like Pie's set tbh. It's not great at first glance, but if Butterfree is given a boosting move and good STAB, it will hit pretty hard and unlike a mega, can hold Life Orb or Choice Band.

gimmepie May 31st, 2017 2:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Choice Specs (Post 9661155)
I like Pie's set tbh. It's not great at first glance, but if Butterfree is given a boosting move and good STAB, it will hit pretty hard and unlike a mega, can hold Life Orb or Choice Band.

Life Orb would be a great item for it with Soul Sap tbh.

jombii June 1st, 2017 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9662254)
Life Orb would be a great item for it with Soul Sap tbh.

That would be OP though as you can heal off the Life Orb recoil with your moves. So scary.

gimmepie June 1st, 2017 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home (Post 9663858)
That would be OP though as you can heal off the Life Orb recoil with your moves. So scary.

It's still fragile AF and only has a 95 BST. It's not that scary really.

gimmepie June 2nd, 2017 10:50 PM

Okay, I guess we're going with my set then. Time for the last segment, movepool (by level up). Following the same pattern as the normal Butterfree, submit a new movepool for Alolan Butterfree to have access too. Have fun!

RuFF June 3rd, 2017 2:10 AM


1 Gust
1 Bite
Evo. Gust
11 Bite
13 Poison Powder
13 Stun Spore
13 Sleep Powder
17 Leech Life
19 Payback
23 Hypnosis
25 Safeguard
29 Whirlwind
31 Lunge
35 Rage Powder
37 Fake Tears
41 Nasty Plot
43 Night Slash
47 Quiver Dance

gimmepie June 3rd, 2017 3:11 AM

Just stealing Ruff's format ;)


1 Tackle
Evo. Bite
11 Tackle
13 Poison Powder
13 Stun Spore
13 Sleep Powder
17 Leech Life
19 Ominous Wind
23 Supersonic
25 Safeguard
29 Whirlwind
31 Lunge
35 Rage Powder
37 Taunt
41 Glare
43 Crunch
47 Swords Dance


Since it's a physical Pokemon, this makes a bit more sense to me than RuFF's more specially-oriented learnset.

Sirfetch’d June 3rd, 2017 12:07 PM

I know you requested level up movepool, but I figured adding a TM movepool won't hurt?

Level-up:

Lv. 1 Tackle
Lv. 1 Harden
Lv. 1 String Shot
Lv. 1 Bug Bite
Lv. 1 Electroweb
Evo. Bite
Lv. 13 Night Shade
Lv. 16 Confuse Ray
Lv. 21 Dark Pulse
Lv. 26 Lunge
Lv. 32 Swords Dance
Lv. 37 Crunch
Lv. 42 Taunt
Lv. 48 Mean Look
Lv. 53 Leech Life
Lv. 59 Psychic Fangs
Lv. 63 Glare

TM:

TM 01: Work Up
TM 04: Calm Mind
TM 06: Toxic
TM 10: Hidden Power
TM 12: Taunt
TM 15: Hyper Beam
TM 16: Light Screen
TM 17: Protect
TM 18: Rain Dance
TM 19: Roost
TM 21: Frustration
TM 27: Return
TM 28: Leech Life
TM 29: Psychic
TM 30: Shadow Ball
TM 32: Double Team
TM 33: Reflect
TM 40: Aerial Ace
TM 44: Rest
TM 45: Attract
TM 46: Thief
TM 68: Giga Impact
TM 75: Swords Dance
TM 88: Sleep Talk
TM 89: U-turn
TM 90: Substitute
TM 97: Dark Pulse
TM 100: Confide

Mobile Tsk June 4th, 2017 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home (Post 9663858)
That would be OP though as you can heal off the Life Orb recoil with your moves. So scary.

I don't think it would be OP. There are plenty of mons that run Life Orb whose primary attack is something like Giga Drain or Drain Punch. It's incredibly difficult to deal with in some cases, but the natural vulnerabilities of a mon like this, specifically mediocre defensive typing and extremely underwhelming stats overall would definitely aide counterplay a great deal. Imo if you don't give something like this a great ability, it wouldn't even be usable if released into PU gameplay.

gimmepie June 6th, 2017 11:25 PM

The poll is now up for the movepool!

RuFF June 7th, 2017 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9670247)
The poll is now up for the movepool!

I don't know which is Option 1, Option 2, or Option 3

gimmepie June 7th, 2017 1:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RuFF (Post 9670369)
I don't know which is Option 1, Option 2, or Option 3

The poll links to the relevant post if you click the option. They are in the order they were posted though.

RuFF June 7th, 2017 1:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9670389)
The poll links to the relevant post if you click the option. They are in the order they were posted though.

Oh, I forgot it can do that. LOL {XD}{XD}{XD}

wolf June 8th, 2017 8:56 PM

I like Chase's but it's lacking Sleep Powder. :( Psychic Fangs is neato though. Voted for gimmepie's in the end because of Sleep Powder, SD is put off for later (balance!), and Ominous Wind for flavor.

gimmepie June 10th, 2017 2:55 AM

Option two it is!
Look forward to seeing the article in the future.


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