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Sequels or Remakes?
Do you think USUM will be sequels like BW2 were, or Remakes, ala platinum?
Personally I feel It'll be a remake, as there hasn't been one since Platinum, and gamefreak have been micing things up recently |
Way too soon to be a remake IMO and since they announced that there will be new Pokemon and we saw new formes, I am highly inclined to believe these are sequels.
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I think they're most likely direct sequels, similar to Black 2 & White 2. A reason I can tell is because of the appearance of what appears to be new player characters, and as we know B/W and B2/W2 had different sets of player characters, so I could see this being the case if US/UM are a direct sequel.
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Sequels going by how the trailer went. Looks like there are some fusions going on following the Ultra Beast events from Sun & Moon.
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I'm pretty sure he said it's an alternate story? Given the wormholes, maybe it's an alternate reality? Hmm... I'm excited to find out =D
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I'm not sure, in the Direct they said it's gonna be an alternative story so it could be either.
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I also think it is a remake/enhanced version of Sun and Moon, possibly the version that the Riddler was looking at when he was leaking stuff. |
It's gotta be a sequel. Remember that mysterious Pokémon at the end of Sun and Moon? Lunala's and Solgaleo's appearances in the video seem to resemble that, and all I can just simply think of now is Black Kyurem and White Kyurem from B2W2.
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I think we might get an Emerald scenario. I mean, Emerald was an alternate RS whose events happened slightly later in its (alternate) timeline than those that RS did. |
Alternate story could mean anything... but It's most likely just Like Emerald or Platinum... Hope we get more story content after the main campaign finishes tho.
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To me alternate storyline as was mentioned in the Direct implies neither a direct sequel nor a remake - but a different turn of events in the same situation/context/games. So things turning slightly differently at the start for example which completely change the outcome or what ends up happening plot-wise (e.g. more UB involvement as seems to be the case)
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I wouldn't really consider it a remake in the typical sense....but it does sound like it might be based in an alternate reality of Alola. Since they said it had an alternate story, which would be a weird choice of words for a sequel.
Alternate realities are already canon though. So I guess something like this was only a matter of time. |
It's neither a remake or a sequel. Remember that Pokemon is set in a multiverse? We're basically playing another universe of Alola, and it ties in with the Ultra Beasts, and this excites me so much.
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I wonder if maybe they wanted to give us time to get used to the Ultra Beasts before they did anything huge with them.
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Well each game has an Alternate Universe in it. Remember to get our own Nebby, we go to an alternative world. This could be the world this game takes place in.
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Pretty convinced they'll be sequels. Sure, they like to mix things up and surprise us, but they also have been competing a lot with Yokai watch and such stuff lately, which make sequels afaik? It is cool when things progress in the pokémon world, when characters grow and change.
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I HOPE sequels.
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An alternative storyline sounds like something new entirely. Might be something like Platinum compared to Diamond and Pearl but with a few more twists and turns.
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From the way masuda talks about the games, it seem to be like the old 3rd versions. Same world , alternative story. The character shown is even the same character, so no way it's a sequel. Just like the old 3rd versions, new clothes, some small modifications and that's probably it.
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Hopefully the story includes the Ultra beasts more. I wonder if these could be Solgaleo and Lunala reverting back to their Ultra beast form... Maybe Necrozma was created from something they casted away to adapt to the Pokeworld. |
I'm sliding with the idea that these are sequels.
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Alternate storyline does sound questionable, but I suppose it could equally mean it is a sequel with a different focus. Interesting to see it's two games rather than one in regards to the whole third game concept.
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If it's an alternate reality then a part of me wants to see Guzma as the professor and Kukui as the leader of Team Skull. I think it would be interesting to see old characters with altered histories.
I know it sounds like a cheesy fanfic but I think it could be good anyway. Alternate reality is your chance to shake things up so you might as well take it and run with it. |
Alright, if it's a completely different story, I am fine with anything.
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They're not sequels guys. If they were they would've made it clear from the get-go. The wording used in the Direct far more implies something like Emerald or Platinum, but with two versions.
Or, possibly, what we should've gotten November last year. |
I think remake is the wrong word here. Third version might be better, even though it's two of them.
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Because "alternate" is the word being used, they're more than likely to be third versions. By definition, "alternate" implies a different version of something; you'd never use "alternate" as a synonym for "sequel," which is something that takes place after a series of events.
Compare this to B2W2, which made a lot of effort to clarify that they were sequels and not "third versions" or "retellings" of BW during its pre-release period--although the "2" in the titles should have made it clear. I would think if USUM were real sequels, that would be made clear from the get-go. These are definitely looking to be third versions, but split into two--likely to maintain the "day-night" cycle difference between Sun and Moon. |
As Colours mentioned, I believe this isn't remake but its also not a sequel, at least with current knowledge. IT's got a similar vibe to BW2 of course, with the two games and the fusion of what is most certainly Necrozma with the SM mascots. The problem with it being sequels is that, as of now, there has been no indication that these games occur after the events of SM. In addition, in the previous sequels, BW2, there was an antagonist that was present in the first games, Ghetsis. In SM, all the main antagonists were dealt with in some way, Lusamine is in KAnto, Gladion is reforming Aether and Guzma, besides the fact he isn't capable of hatching such a plan in the mold of Lusamine, Ghetsis, Cyrus, etc..., is on the road to reform, kind've. So where could the new antagonist come from? Plumeria is a possibility though unlikely since she was pretty loyal to guzma and mainly just wanted to protect her "brothers and sisters". Faba seems a bit more likely but with Gladion keeping a close eye and Faba not being as sharp as you'd expect, I find this route unlikely as well. So unless the plan is to change Plumeria and Faba's personality as well as expand their role/introduce a completely new character, the direct sequel route seems very unlikely to me.
As for it being a remake, besides it being way too early compared to previous remakes, the phrase "alternate storyline" holds a lot of meaning. Now Platinum, Emerald, and Crystal are all technically alternate storylines, features stayed the same pretty much besides the sootopolis gym leader/champion situation. In addition, it was made a point to say it was an alternate storyline, which leads me to believe it will be very similar to SM but with changes such as, (this is an example and not what I think exactly) gym leaders instead of trials (bad example but makes my point). The best I can explain this is through a comparison to The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow TV shows. I like to think US/UM are going to be on a different timeline, like ORAS was in comparison to RSE. Simply put, I see these games as existing on a timeline separate from SM (maybe the same one as ORAS?) with enough changes to seem like a sequel a la BW2 but enough similarities that call back to its originals a la ORAS. As such, I think this will essentially be a a third version but with two version of said third version. In addition, as some have noticed the characters look a bit different, so this is where my alternate timeline piece comes in. Hope that all made sense, I'm still trying to wrap my head around some bits of this too :) Edit: I think Rivvon, evil chameleon and others explained this as well but in a lot less words than myself, as I definitely overexplained xD |
They outright said it was an alternate story, showed the same protagonists with slightly different appearances (if it's not them then there's some seriously bad character designing going on here), and showed the protagonists coming out of the same house on Route 1.
Pretty sure it's the old obligatory third version but split into two separate games because gimmicks. And, like what has already been said, what we should have got in November in the first place. |
Sequel I hope. There's too much post-game story content material.
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I personally feel like its clearly a sequel, especially coming right after the release of SM.
SM's storyline kinda gave us a cliff hanger of Lillie going off to Kanto & Hau going off to train (same as Gladion). Plus, with the newly released photos of Gladion in Aether attire just scream SEQUEL to me. |
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I definitely think that they're going to be third installments similar to Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum. If they were sequels, they would have a 2 in their titles like B2W2.
Anyways, I'm hoping for the Battle Frontier in these games. |
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The difficult thing right now is defining what they actually mean by alternate story. Technically, that can still mean sequel since we really haven't got much to go off at this point. Having two games, fusions, and what looks like new areas could indicate a sequel just as much as it could indicate an updated third version game, but it does seem like it's more likely that these games are sequels imo.
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Alternative story sounds more like a third version to me. Secondly, the main character starts off in the same house the one in SuMo did..(Unlike Bw2 which introduced a new town). |
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I don't think US/UM are going to continue the story of SM in the way people generally seem to want or expect...if these are a reimagining, as the trailer claimed, then I'd imagine one of two things: they'll either take the same roles that they did last time and the plot will play out differently, or they'll take completely different roles entirely. To avoid repetition and criticism, I think the latter route more likely; a reimagining is not a clone...or at least, it shouln't be.
The whole thing feels more like a "what if?" scenario to me at the moment than a true sequel or remake, to be honest. |
i think i should note this from gamefaqs
https://image.prntscr.com/image/O6Ahb0IrR96UgpVUxJ62XA.png also theres more to it then just that http://www.pokemon-sunmoon-cn.com/usum/sc/ ???????????????????????????????????? translation Story and the system of both evolution of another "sun / moon" story, waiting for all the players to experience! the "another" part can also be translated into "other" the whole "alternative" thing seems to be a translation error i don't think these game are sequels or remakes, but rather a side story like xd & gale of darkness where or for an even better example like what a certain scientific railgun is to a certain magical index |
I'm leaning towards remake because it's been advertised that US/UM are alternative retellings of the original S/M.
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They looked like the previous players in my eyes
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More like Platinum, but maybe more changes than we're used to. So I guess you could say it's somewhere in between?
Sequel would be a HUGE selling point. If it was a sequel, they wouldn't be so vague about it. The only way the vagueness makes sense is if it's a Platinum-style game they're just trying to hype up. |
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I think the games will be like a third version, meaning they'll pretty much be the same game, but with some differences. I hope there will be some more substantial differences, but I don't know.
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Whatever happened to...?
This has come up a few times in other threads, but I thought it warranted a topic of its own.
Whether you think these will be direct sequels, remakes, or titles that are completely unrelated to the original games in terms of plot, they will still be set in Alola and present an opportunity to answer those questions that Sun/Moon either didn't have time or didn't see fit to go into in great detail. Have any burning questions you have as a result of USUM that you hope these games answer? Personally, I'd like to know what Grimsley was doing in Alola. Compared to the other cameos, Grimsley was just kinda...there. Sure, he was in the Battle Tree, but unlike other Battle Tree trainers he was also out and about in Alola, being the one who gives you Sharpedo. So he was obviously there for more than just that, I think. What was he up to? |
I don't think US/UM will answer any questions from S/M. The pokemon direct made it sound like US/UM would have a different story than S/M. At least that's how it sounded to me.
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Neither. Remakes are older games that are remade when no longer compatible with newer games. This is likely a third version split in two.
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Let's just get this one out of the way. Dream Park should be expanded completely. Fossil Pokémon all around you.
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Agreed on the cameos.
It sort of felt like Colress and Grimsley should've served a real purpose rather than literally just showing up so you can later fight them in the Battle Tree. I'd like to see more development for them in USM so that they actually become involved in the storyline. It would be great to see Colress as the head of the Aether Foundation and Grimsley recruited as a Gym Leader/E4 member. |
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Remakes are games rebuilt from the ground up. Third versions are altered versions of existing games/code and are thus not remakes at all. I have no idea why people confuse the term remake so much.
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If you went to someone and asked them the difference between a remake and a remaster in terms of movies, it would be as clear as crystal for them. But somehow when it comes to video games people have so much confusion. It's really not any more of a complicated matter when it comes to games. Third versions of Pokemon games aren't even remakes or remasters, they're just rereleased with new/different content added in some places. Has Gamefreak ever even marketed Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum as remakes? I most certainly don't remember them ever having done so. Seems like the label was placed on them solely by fans. |
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I think there is more to it with video games than there is with movies, which is why there is more room for disagreement. Video game remakes typically add more content than was present in the original game, which is what third versions do. There is much more to it than that - a visual upgrade at the very least - but that is enough to blur the line for some people. I don't agree with that, but I CAN see the rationale behind it. I don't disagree with any of your points. I don't think you could really consider the third versions of Pokemon games as remakes in any sense other than that most literal definition, which is generally not how it is applied to video games. I don't think they'll be able to apply it to US/UM...if they had been on the Switch, I think there would have been a stronger argument for it. But even if these are the equivalent to third versions, or reimagined versions of the originals with a different story, I don't think that would be enough to call them remakes. |
USUM are most likely third versions, which is why I was so underwhelmed and disappointed when they were announced. :( I thought GF had moved past the idea of making people plunk down cash on "upgraded" versions of games they had already bought.
The fact that they announced that they were making a Switch game so soon after at E3 also told me that USUM are nothing but a stopgap that they're throwing together on the cheap to buy time until the new Switch game is ready. |
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Another +1 of the appearances just being cameos
For example, Cynthia appearing in the B2W2. There wasn't a real reason why she was there than for the sake of just being there. I don't think their cameos will be explained, but I do see them effecting the USUM's plot, specifically with Colress. I firmly believe that Colress is going to inspire/be behind the Necromza fusions due to hime being behind the Kyreum fusions in B2W2. |
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Cameos for me too, but I feel like they can make the Pokemon experience more immersive and realistic imo, like, significant trainers would actually travel and journey to other regions to explore, hence why we see Cynthia in Unova and Sinnoh respectively.
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If these ARE re-imagined versions of Sun/Moon, it's going to be interesting to see what people classify them as if there is this much debate about what constitutes a video game remake in this day and age. Part of the issue here is the time gap between remakes closing, though. I mean, Atelier Rorona had a regular and a Plus version on PS3 and the latter had a substantial visual upgrade alongside additional content, so it could perhaps be considered a remake instead of a remaster...so having a remake of a game on the same console isn't outside the realms of possibility, rare as it may be. Although a year later? Seems unlikely. But then, Sun/Moon had a very rushed feeling to them I thought, so perhaps they were mere prototypes for US/UM...
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The fact that the player starts at the same house as the one in in the original SuMo means that its not a sequal, unfortunatelly..
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I feel most of the cameos in S/M felt like they added nothing to the plot, like Grimsley. And considering US/UM is marketed as an "alternate universe" I can't see how that will be addressed.
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The look of the main characters’ outfits has changed from the first trip through the Alola region—just in time for them to begin a new adventure! Choose the Pokémon that will become your partner, and set out on a journey through the world of Alola! Aka the same as Brandon and May getting new outfits and Emerald, and Dawn and Lukas getting new outfits in Platinum. And then there's this- Pokémon Ultra Sun and Pokémon Ultra Moon have been powered up with new additions to the story and features of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon! These titles are coming to the Nintendo 3DS family of systems on November 17, 2017. |
So this is a third version. I guess i can get back into third versions. I loved emerald and platinum.
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Fun fact: This will be the first time since Crystal that the 'third version' doesn't have a dragon mascot. Even if one includes the Gen V sequels, that's still the case xD. Unless, if the mascots suddenly gained the dragon typing :/ xD. |
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More like 3rd and 4th :p |
I think it's fair to say US/UM is a third version and a sequel in one. The protagonists aren't completely new, but just the S/M protagonists with new outfits. The last time that happened within games of the same generation was Lucas and Dawn's outfit changes between D/P and Platinum.
However, US/UM is following an entirely different story, much like B2/W2 had a very different main story from S/M. |
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Just notice the thread title is wrong. It should say sequels or third versions. Third versions and remakes are not the same. That is fact. |
not sure why we always have to categorize these things. why can't they just be an unconnected game that also happens to be set in Alola, not like that's kind of what they told us anyway.
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I've heard it referred to as a "Director's cut" which also makes sense. Third versions would fit under that as well.
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Both?
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Regarding 3rd versions, here's an interesting thought. Emerald and Platinum had all 3 Pokemon of their Legendary Trios play a part in the story. USUM seems to be pulling a BW2 in that there is only 2 Legendaries out of the 3 that are playing a part. If USUM were a singular game with Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma in it, then I would consider it a true "3rd version". If the storyline is totally different than in SM, that would deviate it even further away from being a 3rd version. It would be an entirely alternate game, I think. |
They're Requels (Remake + Sequel).
I do have a possible plot idea for the games. |
Remakes - games remade from originals that are no longer compatible with the current ones.
Third versions - an enhanced version from the first pair of games of their respective generation. Remakes and third versions are two different things. This is fact. USUM are more third versions than sequels as they do not have events that are year apart from SM. USUM are not remakes. |
Third versions are really only a pokemon thing. Any other series would probably call it a "remaster" or something.
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I like Mudkip's "Directors Cut" idea. It seems like the game will be a remake, with some parts following up on the events of the original.
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