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Key word is "differently". According to the very definition, it's not wrong to call this a remake. |
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While the word "remake" is technically correct to describe stuff like Platinum or US/UM, the word has different meaning when used in the Pokemon fandom. Alexander's definition of them as updated (mainly in terms of mechanics and graphics) versions of games made several years before the present time is basically what people near-universally mean when they say "remake(s)" in regards to main series Pokemon games.
Everything we know at this point indicates that Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon are closest to what we call "third versions". In the past they've always come in the form of one game instead of two, but what defines them more is the fact that they always come out within the same generation as the games they're based on--the number of games is not an important detail--so there is no major change in graphics and mechanics and renewal of compatibility with the current generation. Calling US/UM or even third versions in general remakes is, in the context of current Pokemon gaming, technically incorrect. As a side note, this is also really the only difference between the two, as much of the other stuff like altered storyline, new areas, etc exist in both remakes and third versions. Don't know whether or not this warrants a change in terminology, though atm I lean toward "nah". |
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Why can't we just call literally every game an alternate story? That's *literally* what every game is. SS is different then HG, no matter how small the differences.
Edit: After looking at how different Crystal and Yellow were, I'm gonna be jumping on the third version boat. |
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USUM are third versions. Not sequels or remakes. Again fact. And no, we can't call every game an alternate story either. USUM is the only ones that stated to have an alternate story. |
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I recognize the difference between third versions, remakes and sequels. Proof is all over the internet. USUM are third versions as far as i know. |
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Yellow, Crystal, Emerald and platinum are third versions. FRLG, HGSS and ORAS are remakes. B2W2 are sequels. USUM has an alternate story that replace the original story of SM it does not come after the events of SM. That means it is not a sequel. USUM are not remakes because they exist in the gen, same handheld, has same graphics and design. That means USUM is a third version split in two. It is the only logical type of pokemon game it can be classed as. |
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In my opinion, I agree with Nah that the majority PKMN fandom has taken a different meaning to the mentioned words when it comes to the PKMN games. I believe it's a silent yet accepted agreement since Blue(in Japan) and Yellow were made.
Third versions are "remakes" of the original pair, but with improvements, however it's mostly called as just that, "third versions". The word "remakes" were properly used by the fandom when FireRed and LeafGreen were made, and again, the majority of the fandom has accepted to call these "remasters" as "remakes". Sequels are only applicable to Black and White's "third version" games, which were B2W2. They are still considered as 'third versions' by the vast majority of the fandom, and also respecting it as a sequel. You could say that Gold, Silver and Crystal are the sequels to Red, Green, Blue and Yellow, yet the fandom calls the Gen2 games as "a new generation of core games" or whatever. You can even say that Sun and Moon are sequels to Red, Green, Blue and Yellow, because an aged Red and Blue are there. Going back to the main topic of the thread, in my opinion, I agree with the majority of the fandom that Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are 'third versions'. |
I personally feel US/UM are more along the lines of being a sequel like B2/W2, since the story is likely going to be completely different from S/M and not just a minor difference (like Emerald and Platinum were) and Alola will also have new areas added, much like how Unova received new areas in B2/W2.
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If US/UM are a sequel, then I have an idea how it can possibly make sense as a sequel.
Sun/Elio or Moon/Selene are still the champion(s) and something has happened to cause them to restart their journey (New Trials, introduction of Gyms or something like that) and Kukui thinks it's a good idea that you have a new journey in Alola, so you choose another starter and begin a new journey. |
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An alternate timeline doesn't a sequel make. But we could have SM characters show up as Fallers.
But I wouldn't take it for granted that the story differences will be that major. Things like Kukui giving the player a starter instead of Hala are, well, a gimmick. The climax will be different, but that was already the case for Emerald and Platinum; Emerald incorporated aspects from both Ruby and Sapphire, which had alternate stories to begin with. Was that comparable to a sequel? Nope. |
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