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Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 6:52 AM

The Protagonists
 
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As is typical for every new main series Pokemon game, new player character designs are revealed, whether they be redone versions of old characters or new characters entirely.

What are your thoughts on the new protagonist designs? Which one do you intend to play as?

Sirfetch’d June 6th, 2017 6:56 AM

They aren't drastically different from the originals, especially the boy. I do like them however!

Charlie Brown June 6th, 2017 6:57 AM

There's not much to say from what we've seen so far tbh, though I do like the guy's design. Skins + shorts is a cool combo lol. Glad to see they haven't lost their vacant smiles

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 6th, 2017 6:57 AM

I'll play the boy.

CidHazard June 6th, 2017 6:58 AM

The guy dresses like me when I'm just chilling in my house :D

Hope they actually get facial animations during cut scenes tho cause if not they need to give us more shades and tinted Glasses XD

moon June 6th, 2017 6:58 AM

I think they look very boring tbh haha. The SuMo designs were a lot more interesting.

These don't even look like standardized initial trainer outfits tbqh. They look more like something somebody customized in the game after a while playing.

Lycanthropy June 6th, 2017 7:00 AM

They don't look drastically different (which is fine by me), but I think I spot two new hairstyles there though.

blue June 6th, 2017 7:00 AM

Not much of a fan tbh, they look very similar to the protagonists in Sun & Moon. At least the female character looks better. Customization will most likely be back anyhow so it's not much of an issue.

Iceshadow3317 June 6th, 2017 7:01 AM

Now that I look at it, it is possible that they are Older Versions of the SM ones.

I don't see how they are more childish though, they seem older to me.

To answer, I like this designs way better.

L'Belle June 6th, 2017 7:06 AM

I like these characters! They look perfect for alola!

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 7:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CidHazard (Post 9668694)
Hope they actually get facial animations during cut scenes tho cause if not they need to give us more shades and tinted Glasses XD

Hopefully Game Freak reacted to all the controversy over the S/M protagonist having a lack of emotion so I do hope they learned and will add actual expression in important scenes now.

As for my opinion on these new character designs, they are definitely a step-up from S/M. I will be playing as the female once again as per tradition, but I think she's fast becoming a new favourite protagonist design for me. Not just because of wearing cute short shorts once again, but that new hairstyle reminding me of one of my all-time fave female game protagonists which was Hilda from B/W.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 6th, 2017 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9668734)
Hopefully Game Freak reacted to all the controversy over the S/M protagonist having a lack of emotion so I do hope they learned and will add actual expression in important scenes now.

As for my opinion on these new character designs, they are definitely a step-up from S/M. I will be playing as the female once again as per tradition, but I think she's fast becoming a new favourite protagonist design for me. Not just because of wearing cute short shorts once again, but that new hairstyle reminding me of one of my all-time fave female game protagonists which was Hilda from B/W.

Hilda, eh? I can't really see the resemblance between their hairstyles :/. I mean Hilda wore a ponytail.

Charlie Brown June 6th, 2017 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9668709)
Now that I look at it, it is possible that they are Older Versions of the SM ones.

I don't see how they are more childish though, they seem older to me.

To answer, I like this designs way better.

I think the girl for sure looks older but the guy looks pretty young imo

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 7:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9668743)
Hilda, eh? I can't really see the resemblance between their hairstyles :/. I mean Hilda wore a ponytail.



Notice those pigtail-like things on the sides of her face. They are very similar to the new female protagonist's hair.

Iceshadow3317 June 6th, 2017 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 9668748)
I think the girl for sure looks older but the guy looks pretty young imo

Maybe, but to me he still looks older. His hair seems to be a bit longer. And he just looks taller to me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 6th, 2017 7:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9668754)


Notice those pigtail-like things on the sides of her face. They are very similar to the new female protagonist's hair.

Still don't see that much a resemblance. The new girl seems to have braided twin ponytails if you look closely opposed to side bangs. Though maybe it's just because her hair is black and not brown like Hilda's that I can't really see the similarity :/.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 6th, 2017 7:31 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9668801)
I think the more important question we should be asking is:

Are they going to have any reaction other than :) during the whole story???

Hey, they also had an :O face from time to time xD

Radiating June 6th, 2017 7:31 AM

I'll play as the male as usual. But these designs sort of remind me of BW2 where they kept a lot of facial features from the old protagonist.

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 7:33 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9668801)
I think the more important question we should be asking is:

Are they going to have any reaction other than :) during the whole story???

I hope so, because these games will have improvements from Sun & Moon and I hope facial expression is one of them. I know the protagonists are meant to be a blank state whose personality is projected by the player, but I still want reactions to be done well.

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Originally Posted by Radiating (Post 9668811)
I'll play as the male as usual. But these designs sort of remind me of BW2 where they kept a lot of facial features from the old protagonist.

Interesting you noticed, because the male protagonist wearing leggings under shorts is very much what the design of Nate from B2/W2 had with his outfit as well.

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 7:49 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9668817)
Also: design-wise, I might be in the minority that doesn't see a significant difference. I don't know if those are default outfits or just boring customizations.

They seem to be the default outfits most likely. Hopefully a future trailer can reveal their official artwork so that we can get a better look at them.

Raffy98 June 6th, 2017 7:52 AM

Well, their outfit fits really well within the Alola region. I don't see any difference between the protagonists of Sun/Moon.

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9668801)
I think the more important question we should be asking is:

Are they going to have any reaction other than :) during the whole story???

Omg yes lmao

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9668849)
I mean, the female protagonis isn't wearing a corny hat like the one in SM, so bonus points for that!

I also feel that the new female protagonist's hat fits better with Alola as well compared to Moon's red beanie, so there's that!

Frozocrone June 6th, 2017 8:04 AM

Still the smol emotionless little cupcakes I see.

Girl is better. Boy got worse. Like...how?!

Actually it's the boy's hat, remove that and he becomes better than original Sun.

AtecainCorp. June 6th, 2017 8:15 AM

For me 6 things are easy in new games

1. Protoganists come from Johto
2. In sorta ways like in Black2/White2 Alola will be expanded
3. Team Skull or Aether Foundation will come back with another bad idea.
4. Necrozma formes are going to be that same way like Kyurem Formes <Good work Corless for testing DNA LINKER PIN>
5. Lillie come back to the Alola after train in Kanto to save region once more.
6. Ultra Beasts become more evil. Especialy Nihilegos.

Ducolamia June 6th, 2017 9:30 AM

The new protags look waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better than the regular ones. I like that the boy doesn't look as bland anymore. The shirt is way better and I like the shorts batter overall. I also like the hat he's wearing as I have the same one and I love it.

The girl looks nice too, I like the hair she has and I like the fact that she has a hat that doesn't look like it came from Glove World....smh. They looker newer and way better to be honest. Hopefully they have facial expressions this time.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 6th, 2017 9:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AtecainCorp. (Post 9668901)
For me 6 things are easy in new games

1. Protoganists come from Johto
2. In sorta ways like in Black2/White2 Alola will be expanded
3. Team Skull or Aether Foundation will come back with another bad idea.
4. Necrozma formes are going to be that same way like Kyurem Formes <Good work Corless for testing DNA LINKER PIN>
5. Lillie come back to the Alola after train in Kanto to save region once more.
6. Ultra Beasts become more evil. Especialy Nihilegos.

Or maybe Hoenn since the protags from RSEOrAs came from Johto xD. That is, if these are remakes and not just reimagined Sun and Moon.

thedestinedblade June 6th, 2017 9:37 AM

Are we sure these are new protagonists and not just the old ones with different hairstyle and clothes? They also showed the same beginning from Sun and Moon (where the camera spins around and the player character gets dressed)

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thedestinedblade (Post 9669116)
Are we sure these are new protagonists and not just the old ones with different hairstyle and clothes? They also showed the same beginning from Sun and Moon (where the camera spins around and the player character gets dressed)

We don't know yet, but when official artwork gets released we can try and see if they really are brand new characters or not.

jombii June 6th, 2017 5:45 PM

Doesn't look much different really.

what if USUM is our story after SM??? like we've done all the trials and became the league champion and is roaming the region to establish the gym leaders? woaaah just kidding of course this ain't going to happen

Hikamaru June 7th, 2017 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9669106)
Or maybe Hoenn since the protags from RSEOrAs came from Johto xD. That is, if these are remakes and not just reimagined Sun and Moon.

Knowing me, that's likely not going to be the case. I do hope for new info on the protagonists in something like CoroCoro, but there's often been a habit in that the protagonists barely get any attention until after the game has been released.

pkmin3033 June 7th, 2017 10:48 PM

THANK GOD THAT HAT IS GONE.

*coughs*

Aaaaaanywho...I'm disappointed that there seems to have been absolutely zero effort put into the mle protagonist AGAIN. But then, since Gen IV they've all been identical clones, so it isn't surprising. I like how he looks like a sailor, though.

I'll be playing as the girl again, but I'll be changing her out of that ghastly top as quickly as humanly possible.

Hikamaru June 7th, 2017 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9671898)
Aaaaaanywho...I'm disappointed that there seems to have been absolutely zero effort put into the mle protagonist AGAIN. But then, since Gen IV they've all been identical clones, so it isn't surprising. I like how he looks like a sailor, though.

I can tell you the male protagonist here does bear some resemblance to Nate from B2/W2 in terms of outfit. Hint: shorts worn over leggings.

PageEmp June 7th, 2017 11:31 PM

To be really honest? I think these new protags are a big big big improvement from the previous SM ones. and no it's totally not because i didn't have high expectations for these ones

Hopefully, we will get to see the official art soon as well.

PkmnTrainerElio June 8th, 2017 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AtecainCorp. (Post 9668901)
For me 6 things are easy in new games

1. Protoganists come from Johto

I like where this is going.

They do sorta look like Elio(Sun) and Selene(Moon), just with a reimagined style.

Nah June 8th, 2017 5:59 AM

The default looks of the player characters aren't really a big deal to me when you can customize them. Gonna look completely different eventually.

Am I gonna have to start with the watermelon bag again though? That bothered me slightly when I started Moon tbh, idk why lol.

antemortem June 8th, 2017 6:02 AM

I just want more variety in clothing

Hikamaru June 8th, 2017 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9672250)
Am I gonna have to start with the watermelon bag again though? That bothered me slightly when I started Moon tbh, idk why lol.

It appears to be the same shape, but the design on the side could be different. They did make the male's backpack look different compared to the original S/M male protagonist's one.

fenyx4 June 8th, 2017 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thedestinedblade (Post 9669116)
Are we sure these are new protagonists and not just the old ones with different hairstyle and clothes? They also showed the same beginning from Sun and Moon (where the camera spins around and the player character gets dressed)

That's what I thought; I interpreted these 2 Pokémon Trainers as Elio (Sun) and Selene (Moon) (alternate-story versions of them, at least..) until further notice.. The male character looks bland again (sigh..) and resembles Nate a bit too much.. The female character, yet again, has a nicely-designed outfit and looks so cute! {<3} And her white shorts are hawt..! The girl's hairstyle is also nicely done - it resembles Whitlea's/Hilda's hairstyle while still being unique in its own right and distinctive from all the other female player characters' hairstyles..

Honestly, I didn't pay much attention to the "Pokémon female player characters have better designs than the male ones" idea, but it seems to be getting true with every passing core series Pokémon game.. The last male player character original design that I really liked was Brendan of Hoenn (the original outfits from Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald, and interpreting the white stuff on his head as hair rather than a knit cap/hat), and the last redesign I really liked was Ethan of Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver.. Damion/Lucas (Pokémon Diamond/Pearl), Blake/Hilbert (Pokémon Black/White), and Nate (Pokémon Black 2/White 2) had decent designs, but Calem (Pokémon X and Y) and Elio (Pokémon Sun/Moon) are getting to be a bit too generic..

I just hope that all of the clothing options (including the original Pokémon Sun/Moon default outfits) are available in Pokémon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon.. And we need more Hawaiian shirts for Alola! {:3}

Hikamaru June 11th, 2017 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 9672711)
That's what I thought; I interpreted these 2 Pokémon Trainers as Elio (Sun) and Selene (Moon) (alternate-story versions of them, at least..) until further notice.. The male character looks bland again (sigh..) and resembles Nate a bit too much.. The female character, yet again, has a nicely-designed outfit and looks so cute! {<3} And her white shorts are hawt..! The girl's hairstyle is also nicely done - it resembles Whitlea's/Hilda's hairstyle while still being unique in its own right and distinctive from all the other female player characters' hairstyles..

Honestly, I didn't pay much attention to the "Pokémon female player characters have better designs than the male ones" idea, but it seems to be getting true with every passing core series Pokémon game.. The last male player character original design that I really liked was Brendan of Hoenn (the original outfits from Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald, and interpreting the white stuff on his head as hair rather than a knit cap/hat), and the last redesign I really liked was Ethan of Pokémon HeartGold/SoulSilver.. Damion/Lucas (Pokémon Diamond/Pearl), Blake/Hilbert (Pokémon Black/White), and Nate (Pokémon Black 2/White 2) had decent designs, but Calem (Pokémon X and Y) and Elio (Pokémon Sun/Moon) are getting to be a bit too generic..}

I can definitely understand your post. I feel every generation the female protagonist designs get better while the male designs get worse. It's like you wonder what's the real secret behind this.

antemortem June 12th, 2017 5:11 PM

I mean, it's no easy feat to beat Brendan's (Pokemon Emerald protag) design.

PkmnTrainerElio June 12th, 2017 7:19 PM

The male character looks like a hybrid of Hilbert, Nate and Elio (Sun). And he dresses similar to Nate too, the shorts and leggings, however, Ultra SuMo's player character is wearing shorts similar to Hau.

And I don't think it's the same player character from SuMo, the eyebrows are different.

Hikamaru June 23rd, 2017 6:59 AM

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Originally Posted by antemortem (Post 9677296)
I mean, it's no easy feat to beat Brendan's (Pokemon Emerald protag) design.

I admit it was the most standout-worthy male protagonist design, so it is sad to see that the male protagonist designs are getting more and more bland with every new generation. Since B/W, they have always stuck to blue being prominent in the outfit and that feels lazy.

MegaKuriboh June 23rd, 2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9686575)
I admit it was the most standout-worthy male protagonist design, so it is sad to see that the male protagonist designs are getting more and more bland with every new generation. Since B/W, they have always stuck to blue being prominent in the outfit and that feels lazy.

I thought the male designs peaked with Hilbert, then Nate was okay (I actually kinda liked his ridiculous hair), Calem I hated but he grew on me, but Brendan's redesign was meh, and Sun was just so boring. And now he looks even younger than before and I really don't like it, but thank god for trainer customization.

For me the male designs would go Hilbert > RSE Brendan > Ethan > Red > Nate > Calem > ORAS Brendan > Lucas >>>>>>>> Sun >>>> Ultra Sun.

Alexander18 June 23rd, 2017 12:58 PM

Not sure what to make of our characters. Need to know more.

Hikamaru June 27th, 2017 7:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9686826)
Not sure what to make of our characters. Need to know more.

Unfortunately when it comes to the protagonists, we never really get to know them until after the games come out. I am still hoping an upcoming trailer may reveal their official artwork though.

w1f1pa55w0rd June 27th, 2017 6:37 PM

i think the male character looks like a hobo. I know its a tropical region, but really? coudn't they have left us with the other dude, from the previous game? but its fine, cause imma customize the heck out of this guy. oh yahhh... is trainer customization returning?

Hikamaru June 27th, 2017 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by w1f1pa55w0rd (Post 9690477)
oh yahhh... is trainer customization returning?

Trainer customization was in S/M, so it being in US/UM is pretty much a given.

Alexander18 June 27th, 2017 11:30 PM

The only way i consider customizing my character is if they had type specialists clothes like Dragon. But for now, the feature is useless to me.

MarinoKadame June 30th, 2017 2:17 PM

They just seem to be the Sun and Moon Protagonist with better customization and hairs. Probably changed the female design because of people laughing at the chicken hat.

Alexander18 July 1st, 2017 7:55 PM

I only play as the male character. I am going to continue doing that.

pkmin3033 July 2nd, 2017 3:28 AM

Here's a question we've not asked yet: what are their default names going to be? I'd laugh forever if they were called "Ultra" and just left at that, or if that was even an option. They can't be "Sun" and "Moon" again, can they?

I'd favour Diana for the girl, personally. Apollo seems a little too obvious and cliche for the guy, though...that said, they don't even have to have names that fit the theme. They could be literally anything. What do they look like to people?

Hikamaru July 2nd, 2017 3:44 AM

I think that if these protagonists are entirely new and appear in the Pokemon Adventures manga, I could see their names being U-Sun and U-Moon, kinda like "Lack-Two" and "Whi-Two" for Nate and Rosa's Pokemon Adventures counterparts.

I do hope the opposite-gendered protagonist does appear as an NPC this time around, since that literally seems to be what it comes down to if the player characters get canon names or not. S/M's player characters never had a canon name due to the other one not appearing, similar to FR/LG.

pkmin3033 July 2nd, 2017 3:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9694111)
I think that if these protagonists are entirely new and appear in the Pokemon Adventures manga, I could see their names being U-Sun and U-Moon, kinda like "Lack-Two" and "Whi-Two" for Nate and Rosa's Pokemon Adventures counterparts.

...wait, seriously? Oh man. What naming sense. xD;

That said...if these games are set in an alternate world, then "Ult-Sun" and "Ult-Moon" isn't too farfetched...at least for the manga. It's a clever little play on words. Like the whole twist in the title for Metroid: Other M, only hopefully not as disastrous and cringeworthy as that.

But I'd pray for some better default names in the games, at least. Sun and Moon themselves had unusued names IIRC - Kai and Lana, I think? - so maybe those could be the names of their counterparts?

Hikamaru July 2nd, 2017 3:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9694121)
But I'd pray for some better default names in the games, at least. Sun and Moon themselves had unusued names IIRC - Kai and Lana, I think? - so maybe those could be the names of their counterparts?

I think those were indeed their unused names. Had those names been used they would have had to change the female protagonist's name in the English version due to Lana already being the name of a Trial Captain.

pkmin3033 July 2nd, 2017 4:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9694123)
I think those were indeed their unused names. Had those names been used they would have had to change the female protagonist's name in the English version due to Lana already being the name of a Trial Captain.

...oh yeah, I forgot about Lana. Scratch that idea, then...unless they take Lana out, which I can't see them doing since (I think) she's one of the more popular Trial Captains...and it wouldn't make sense to remove her even if she wasn't in that position any more. Unless SM had an entirely new cast. Which is unlikely. So yeah. Maybe not Lana for the girl.

Although I still like Diana. I might even call her that.

Hikamaru July 2nd, 2017 4:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9694128)
...oh yeah, I forgot about Lana. Scratch that idea, then...unless they take Lana out, which I can't see them doing since (I think) she's one of the more popular Trial Captains...and it wouldn't make sense to remove her even if she wasn't in that position any more. Unless SM had an entirely new cast. Which is unlikely. So yeah. Maybe not Lana for the girl.

Although I still like Diana. I might even call her that.

I'm with you. Lana is a Trial Captain and they are popular characters so I just can't see her being written out.

MegaKuriboh July 2nd, 2017 11:21 AM

I find it really weird how Sun and Moon never got "official" names. Even Hilda and Hilbert got them! We did get Elio and Selene as names that Gamefreak used to advertise battle royal, but then we never saw those names again. Anyways I'm pretty sure these protags are the same ones as before, and we'll get a RS/DP situation in the manga where the protagonists just get new clothes eventually.

BlazingCobaltX July 2nd, 2017 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MegaKuriboh (Post 9694429)
I find it really weird how Sun and Moon never got "official" names. Even Hilda and Hilbert got them! We did get Elio and Selene as names that Gamefreak used to advertise battle royal, but then we never saw those names again. Anyways I'm pretty sure these protags are the same ones as before, and we'll get a RS/DP situation in the manga where the protagonists just get new clothes eventually.

They could do that, and the manga could throw them in some kind of alternative dimension through... Hoopa? It's possible.

I really like the female protag's hairstyle!

JJ Styles July 2nd, 2017 6:54 PM

I find these designs as a big improvement from the rather plainish and vanilla designs that the original alola portags had. They look a lot more vibrant, colorful, and eye catching.

Pinkie-Dawn July 3rd, 2017 12:25 PM

Can we really be sure those are their default outfits for US/UM and not a way to show off the new customizable clothes available to wear?

pkmin3033 July 3rd, 2017 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9695552)
Can we really be sure those are their default outfits for US/UM and not a way to show off the new customizable clothes available to wear?

I would say it's a fairly safe bet - surely they'd wait until a later trailer or magazine scan to showcase customisation options, rather than do it from the get-go?

Hikamaru July 19th, 2017 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9695552)
Can we really be sure those are their default outfits for US/UM and not a way to show off the new customizable clothes available to wear?

Considering the way they are zoomed-out like when after the S/M protagonist puts on their hat and bag, it's fair to say these will be the default outfits.

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 6:31 AM

I have to say the new protagonist designs are definitely an improvement. The female looks super cute and I admit she's definitely going to be liked more than Moon since she actually has a better hat and more fitting clothes for Alola.

Don't like the male though. He reminds me way too much of Nate from B2/W2, with that wearing shorts over tights thing.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:06 AM

The female is nice.
The male is also nice, but I think he's about on par with SM's male.

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 7:13 AM

If the new protagonists look this good, just imagine how well the clothing and hair options will be. I just better hope they don't do version exclusive status with the clothes and colours again.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9734408)
If the new protagonists look this good, just imagine how well the clothing and hair options will be. I just better hope they don't do version exclusive status with the clothes and colours again.

heh, imo it would be hard to top the hairstyles. I do think the clothing options are gonna be fabulous.

Frozocrone August 18th, 2017 7:39 AM

Girl looks fine and better than SM.

Boy looks...odd. Clothing is fine, it's the pose that doesn't do it for me. He's clearly showing motion, as shown with his feet movement, but what a weird way to walk - and if he's not walking, then he's jumping at which point why is the hat motionless. At least the girl is holding onto her hat.

Pyrax August 18th, 2017 8:56 AM

Selene's pose is great - she's showing motion and actually looks much more "alive" than artworks of the previous protags. I'm surprised they've stuck with static poses for this long. Her new hat's an improvement from her flower hat imo.
Elio's weird pose aside, his shorts and undershorts remind me a lot of Nate's design. Can't help but wonder if that's a reference to BW2.

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9734408)
If the new protagonists look this good, just imagine how well the clothing and hair options will be. I just better hope they don't do version exclusive status with the clothes and colours again.

Hopefully with more clothing options this time. SM's were just recolours of the same handful of clothes imo.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 9:00 AM

The girl protagonist's design looks so cute, aaaaaaaaaaaa~

The boy's on the other hand... Ugh. I really hate the shorts over tights look (does anyone even dress like that IRL?), and that bucket hat... Bleh. Thank goodness there's customization.

Vindra August 18th, 2017 10:10 AM

I love the girl character's design! The hat is much cuter than the original one, not that it matters too much with all the customization options available. Can't really comment on the boy's since I never play as a boy. Like everyone else, I hope they have more expressions this time... it would make them seem more human.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 12:16 PM

I thought these two were just SM characters redesigned. Where did it say that they are new?

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734606)
I thought these two were just SM characters redesigned. Where did it say that they are new?

Bulbapedia seems to have updated their pages with the new art, confirming that these protagonists are still "Sun" and "Moon" but with new outfits and different hair. This makes them the first protagonists to change outfit within games of a generation since Lucas and Dawn's outfit change between D/P and Platinum.

Altairis August 19th, 2017 7:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9734958)
Bulbapedia seems to have updated their pages with the new art, confirming that these protagonists are still "Sun" and "Moon" but with new outfits and different hair. This makes them the first protagonists to change outfit within games of a generation since Lucas and Dawn's outfit change between D/P and Platinum.

I don't think I understand. they arent the same literal Champion character, so why does it matter what their names are. Plus did people really think they would be named "Ultra Sun" and "Ultra Moon"..? nah of course they're still gonna be Sun and Moon lol

Hikamaru August 19th, 2017 8:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735228)
I don't think I understand. they arent the same literal Champion character, so why does it matter what their names are. Plus did people really think they would be named "Ultra Sun" and "Ultra Moon"..? nah of course they're still gonna be Sun and Moon lol

Bulbapedia has updated their pages with the new artwork, pretty much confirming they are the same protagonists as in S/M

I also noticed the Moon page seems to be considering changing her name to "Selene" which has been her most common referred fan name.

BettyNewbie August 19th, 2017 1:02 PM

The new trainer art looks terrible, but Moon at least improves on her original design (which felt too much like a mashup of the Hoenn protagonists, IMO). Both her new hat and her new hairstyle look way better.

Sun, on the other hand, continues to be lame. :rolleyes2: It's bad enough that he was already yet another generic Red/Ash clone dressed in blue, but now they've flat out made him a partial Nate ripoff (and Nate himself was a partial ripoff of Emerald Brendan, though still retaining Hilbert's boring red/blue/black color scheme).

Were they really that out of ideas for his design? And, would it really kill them to design a male PC that wasn't wearing blue? It annoys me how generic and samey the male PCs have been since Gen 4, and I say this as someone who usually plays as the girl.

Altairis August 19th, 2017 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9735256)
Bulbapedia has updated their pages with the new artwork, pretty much confirming they are the same protagonists as in S/M

I also noticed the Moon page seems to be considering changing her name to "Selene" which has been her most common referred fan name.

oh do you think that it's the SM protagonist that went on to be Champions, then got rid of their Pokemon and are starting a new journey on Alola? Is that what you mean by same protagonists? sorry just trying to understand

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735447)
oh do you think that it's the SM protagonist that went on to be Champions, then got rid of their Pokemon and are starting a new journey on Alola? Is that what you mean by same protagonists? sorry just trying to understand

I believe USUM are alternate stories which means SM events never happen in the USUM universe. Therefore the main characters are the same without any issues/complications.

Hikamaru August 19th, 2017 7:36 PM

Alexander's point would make sense. Remember that US/UM have been promoted as a so-called "alternate story".

Altairis August 20th, 2017 9:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9735450)
I believe USUM are alternate stories which means SM events never happen in the USUM universe. Therefore the main characters are the same without any issues/complications.

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9735592)
Alexander's point would make sense. Remember that US/UM have been promoted as a so-called "alternate story".

well this is what I always thought but Hikamaru was confusing me with her wording, implying that they were the literal same which makes no sense

Hikamaru August 21st, 2017 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735447)
oh do you think that it's the SM protagonist that went on to be Champions, then got rid of their Pokemon and are starting a new journey on Alola? Is that what you mean by same protagonists? sorry just trying to understand

It is indeed the same protagonists (at least I think since Bulbapedia and the official media is claiming so) but taking place in a story that's different to S/M.

kingdenas August 23rd, 2017 4:07 AM

What you mean is that they are the USUM's universe version of Sun and Moon protagonists.

I don't have too much to talk about. I like the girl's re-design, looks cute. The boy... is lacking something. Let's just pray for them to have facial expressions!

Hikamaru August 23rd, 2017 4:20 AM

I figured I'd now rank the protagonist designs from every game now that the US/UM designs are out.

Males
Spoiler:
1. Hilbert
2. Brendan (Emerald)
3. Lucas (D/P)
4. Lucas (Platinum)
5. Sun (US/UM)
6. Calem
7. Sun (S/M)
8. Red (FR/LG)
9. Brendan (R/S)
10. Ethan (HG/SS)
11. Ethan (G/S/C)
12. Red (R/B/Y)
13. Nate
14. Brendan (OR/AS)


Females
Spoiler:
1. Hilda
2. Moon (US/UM)
3. Dawn (D/P)
4. Serena
5. Rosa
6. May (OR/AS)
7. Dawn (Platinum)
8. Moon (S/M)
9. Leaf
10. May (R/S)
11. Kris
12. Lyra
13. May (Emerald)


The females in particular were hard to rank, so it mainly came down to their outfit colour schemes and aesthetic with their region. The males were mainly boring design-wise but some still worked better than others.

Desert Stream~ August 23rd, 2017 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9737761)
I figured I'd now rank the protagonist designs from every game now that the US/UM designs are out.

Males
Spoiler:
1. Hilbert
2. Brendan (Emerald)
3. Lucas (D/P)
4. Lucas (Platinum)
5. Sun (US/UM)
6. Calem
7. Sun (S/M)
8. Red (FR/LG)
9. Brendan (R/S)
10. Ethan (HG/SS)
11. Ethan (G/S/C)
12. Red (R/B/Y)
13. Nate
14. Brendan (OR/AS)


Females
Spoiler:
1. Hilda
2. Moon (US/UM)
3. Dawn (D/P)
4. Serena
5. Rosa
6. May (OR/AS)
7. Dawn (Platinum)
8. Moon (S/M)
9. Leaf
10. May (R/S)
11. Kris
12. Lyra
13. May (Emerald)


The females in particular were hard to rank, so it mainly came down to their outfit colour schemes and aesthetic with their region. The males were mainly boring design-wise but some still worked better than others.

Interesting list. I would make one but I don't wanna turn this thread into just listing which characters are the best :p
I am a bit suprised by some of the choices, especially Hilbert being at the top, I haven't seen many people who like him.

Hikamaru August 24th, 2017 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9738052)
Interesting list. I would make one but I don't wanna turn this thread into just listing which characters are the best :p
I am a bit suprised by some of the choices, especially Hilbert being at the top, I haven't seen many people who like him.

I put him up the top because he had the most mature-looking design, on top of me being a Unova fan. I personally do love all the female designs in general so I had a very hard time sorting that part of the list.

mysticalflute August 25th, 2017 10:13 AM

Oh I'm so, so glad that they redesigned the female protag. I hated her outfit in SM and changed it as soon as I hit Hau'oli City.

thedestinedblade August 25th, 2017 7:34 PM

Well, the female got better while the male got worse, lol. There better be a lot more customization options this time around.

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9738827)
I put him up the top because he had the most mature-looking design, on top of me being a Unova fan. I personally do love all the female designs in general so I had a very hard time sorting that part of the list.

Hilbert has the most natural design to me. He's kind of reminiscent of Red as well; simple yet still shows much confidence. Plus, he's a bit older than any of the other protagonists we had up to that point.

Pinkie-Dawn August 26th, 2017 7:24 AM

I'm shocked that the girl's new outfit looks better than her original one. I mean, doesn't Game Freak realize that she's supposed to be 11? The boy, on the other hand, looks less generic with his new outfit, and yet you guys still find it terrible.

Desert Stream~ August 26th, 2017 7:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9739664)
I mean, doesn't Game Freak realize that she's supposed to be 11?

Um, what's that supposed to mean? xD

I do agree about the boy's outfit being less generic. Maybe I'm just blind but the only ones that look similar to me are hilbert/nate.

Hikamaru August 27th, 2017 8:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9739664)
I'm shocked that the girl's new outfit looks better than her original one. I mean, doesn't Game Freak realize that she's supposed to be 11? The boy, on the other hand, looks less generic with his new outfit, and yet you guys still find it terrible.

I think it's because he's still continuing the trend since D/P of male protagonists often having blue in their outfits.

Pinkie-Dawn August 27th, 2017 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9739679)
Um, what's that supposed to mean? xD

Some Pokémon fans have a creepy liking to its young female trainers based on design.

Desert Stream~ August 27th, 2017 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9740645)
Some Pokémon fans have a creepy liking to its young female trainers based on design.

Doesn't mean GF can't try to make them look decent :p

Altairis August 28th, 2017 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9740645)
Some Pokémon fans have a creepy liking to its young female trainers based on design.

Is it because she's wearing a tank top or something...? I don't get what makes her stand out other than just being cute. That hair &lt;3

Pinkie-Dawn August 29th, 2017 6:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9741296)
Is it because she's wearing a tank top or something...? I don't get what makes her stand out other than just being cute. That hair &lt;3

Yes, as well as wearing shorts, showing some leg, and wearing toe-covered sandals.

Altairis August 29th, 2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9741551)
Yes, as well as wearing shorts, showing some leg, and wearing toe-covered sandals.

That is totally ridiculous, none of those things mean she can't be a normal 11 year old girl. Never seen one wear pants all the time as well as never wear tank tops or sandals... Crazy...

Nah August 29th, 2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9741551)
Yes, as well as wearing shorts, showing some leg, and wearing toe-covered sandals.

Tank tops and shorts and sandals are all very normal summer/tropical attire, and there's nothing remotely sexualized about it.

When they start putting the kids in booty shorts and deep V-necks, then maybe you'll have a point.

Hikamaru August 29th, 2017 5:35 PM

Nah's right. The clothes were designed to fit the region.

I mean, just look at how Platinum added coats for Lucas and Dawn. The Sinnoh region did become colder in those games. Heck, even Brendan/May, Hilbert/Hilda, Calem/Serena and the S/M protagonists all had outfits that matched the region aesthetic.

Desert Stream~ August 29th, 2017 6:13 PM

lol this area gets cold and I see kids wearing those kinds of clothes all the time xD

Pinkie-Dawn August 30th, 2017 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9741659)
That is totally ridiculous, none of those things mean she can't be a normal 11 year old girl. Never seen one wear pants all the time as well as never wear tank tops or sandals... Crazy...

If you go to /vp/, then you'll see that users lusting over her new outfit. And considering how anonymous they are, they could be full-grown adults lusting over a fictional 11-year-old girl. It makes me wish her outfit was as generic as the boy's, so she could avoid being sexualized by those creepy Pokemon fans.

Desert Stream~ August 30th, 2017 8:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9742284)
If you go to /vp/, then you'll see that users lusting over her new outfit. And considering how anonymous they are, they could be full-grown adults lusting over a fictional 11-year-old girl. It makes me wish her outfit was as generic as the boy's, so she could avoid being sexualized by those creepy Pokemon fans.

well that's /vp/ for ya

I mean, there's someone who's into literally everything. It's really hard to stop people from liking that kinda stuff.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 30th, 2017 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9740218)
I think it's because he's still continuing the trend since D/P of male protagonists often having blue in their outfits.

Well, prior to that the protagonist had red. This is still present in their remake designs too. Wonder if one day they'll give them dominantly green clothes. The closest was Brandan's Emerald design, but that was still mostly red xD.

Or dominant yellow for that matter...


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