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Sirfetch’d June 6th, 2017 12:32 PM

National Dex
 
One thing that we missed out on in Sun and Moon was a proper National Pokedex. Once you completed all 300 entries in Sun and Moon, that was it. Do you think we will get a proper completed dex this time around?

clbgolden June 6th, 2017 12:34 PM

I hope so. I still question why there wasn't a Natioanl Dex in Sun and Moon...

Nah June 6th, 2017 12:41 PM

Isn't the Bank supposed to act as or have a National Dex function now? If that's the case, they're likely not ever implementing that again in a game.

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 12:45 PM

While it would be awesome to see the National Dex come back, I'm unfortunately backing Nah's gut feeling that it will stay as a Pokemon Bank-only feature.

Sirfetch’d June 6th, 2017 12:47 PM

I feel like having it as a bank only feature is dumb. I'd much rather be able to view each individual game's progress rather than all of them collectively.

jombii June 6th, 2017 5:11 PM

I hope national dex come back. I want my backstories on all Pokemon, thank you.

Sirfetch’d June 6th, 2017 5:28 PM

I just want more brutal dex entries that SM is so famous for.

jombii June 6th, 2017 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9669853)
Mixed feelings (... this is a theme in some of my posts here, lmao) on National Dex. This is because while seeing savage Pokedex entries on all Pokemon would be nice, keep in mind that SM's regional dex was ridiculously easy to complete and as a result it became the simplest task ever to obtain the Shiny Charm. If the National Dex is brought back, I can only imagine getting the Shiny Charm would be more difficult for those who haven't already completed the National Dex before.

Which would make the item more precious and a more special prize to begin with.

Sirfetch’d June 6th, 2017 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Home (Post 9669877)
Which would make the item more precious and a more special prize to begin with.

I agree. While completing the Sun and Moon dex was easy and quite fun, getting the shiny charm almost felt too easy. Especially since getting shinies is so easy now lol.

jombii June 6th, 2017 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Choice Specs (Post 9669971)
I agree. While completing the Sun and Moon dex was easy and quite fun, getting the shiny charm almost felt too easy. Especially since getting shinies is so easy now lol.

it's like easy squared (though I haven't found one yet lol). bringing the nat dex would make the shiny charm all the more want-able.

tokyodrift June 6th, 2017 7:32 PM

I hope so. I feel like the Shiny Charm was definitely a bit easy to get, and really didn't feel like a reward like it has in the past. Maybe there is some type of middle ground that can be met so it's not as hard to get if the National Dex was bought back, but not easy enough to obtain.

jombii June 6th, 2017 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyuna (Post 9669984)
I hope so. I feel like the Shiny Charm was definitely a bit easy to get, and really didn't feel like a reward like it has in the past. Maybe there is some type of middle ground that can be met so it's not as hard to get if the National Dex was bought back, but not easy enough to obtain.

expand the regional dex maybe? But I'm not too fond of expanding it since there is already a good amount (not many, but good) of species in there.

tokyodrift June 6th, 2017 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Home (Post 9670011)
expand the regional dex maybe? But I'm not too fond of expanding it since there is already a good amount (not many, but good) of species in there.

That's always a possibility. Though that would mean they have to include things like spidery, Zubat, and ecetera. I don't think many fans would appreciate that. Though if they expanded it by adding new saloons Pokémon to the PokéDex, which might be highly unlikely, would be the ideal solution.

jombii June 6th, 2017 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyuna (Post 9670044)
That's always a possibility. Though that would mean they have to include things like spidery, Zubat, and ecetera. I don't think many fans would appreciate that. Though if they expanded it by adding new saloons Pokémon to the PokéDex, which might be highly unlikely, would be the ideal solution.

I personally do not want that, more even for pre-League encounters.

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Home (Post 9670011)
expand the regional dex maybe? But I'm not too fond of expanding it since there is already a good amount (not many, but good) of species in there.

According to Bulbapedia, the in-game distribution of obtainable Pokemon for Sun & Moon without trading or transfer is the shallowest in a single main series game to date. Sun & Moon have what is the lowest amount of non-event Pokémon available in-game in regards to the percentage of the National Dex, at 47% or 384 out of 802.

A size of 384 Pokemon for the Alola Dex in Sun & Moon is still more than the 301 that Black 2 & White 2's updated Unova Dex had. But like B2/W2, it's been confirmed US/UM will have new previous-gen Pokemon added to the Alola Dex that weren't in the original one.

Starry Windy June 7th, 2017 7:17 AM

At times I wish Pokémon Sun and Moon would have National Dex in-game without need of getting Pokébank just for accessibility reasons, so I hope Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will add the National Dex so this may give some gamers the itch to complete the game even more. Plus, it feels satisfying when seeing the National Dex fully completed in a single game.

shadowmoon522 June 7th, 2017 8:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9669382)
Isn't the Bank supposed to act as or have a National Dex function now? If that's the case, they're likely not ever implementing that again in a game.

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Originally Posted by Choice Specs (Post 9669392)
I feel like having it as a bank only feature is dumb. I'd much rather be able to view each individual game's progress rather than all of them collectively.

exactly. unless of course they make it so can be viewed offline and syncs + updates with the game.

pkmin3033 June 7th, 2017 8:24 AM

I realise catching them all is a pipe dream now mostly given how many there are, but not having them register in the game is just plain lazy. If they're really too lazy to write some new Pokedex entries they could just re-word existing ones - it's not like that hasn't happened before - or even cutpaste them. It's not THAT great of a task, surely. No excuse not to have National Pokedex in these games to be honest.

blue June 7th, 2017 8:32 AM

It's a weird one, but if there was no National Dex in SM then I can't see there being one in USM. They will probably expand the Regional Dex, though.

fenyx4 June 8th, 2017 3:13 PM

In Pokémon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, it would be nice for there to be a National Pokédex, although admittedly, it makes much more sense for Pokémon Bank to have it... But it does seem odd to have a Pokémon appear in game without a Pokédex entry.. Funnily enough, when I used an Action Replay on Pokémon Sapphire way back in the day prior to the announcement about Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen, I forced wild Pokémon encounters to be things like Mew, Celebi, and Articuno (since those are unavailable in Pokémon Sapphire). If I recall correctly, when I caught them, they didn't trigger Pokédex entries and didn't show the National Pokédex numbers on their Summary Screens (although I think things like Articuno do show the number if you migrate them properly from Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen, and they have viewable Pokédex entries, too). Ah, I remember the first time I unlocked the National Pokédex in Pokémon Sapphire (as far as I can tell, it's triggered by trading a non-Hoenn Pokédex Pokémon from Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen); it blew my mind.. I think I thought that Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen magically updated my game with the National Pokédex Mode (as opposed to the National Pokédex already being coded into the game during production before the release to retail).

I guess it would depend on how long it takes to code things like the National Pokédex in Generation 7. Ideally, there would be a National Dex in-game and via Pokémon Bank.. However, it may get tiresome seeing the same old Pokédex entries (soon to be 802+) continue to get ported in future generations (and now even Alolan forms/regional-variants, some other forms, and Mega Evolutions are getting Pokédex entries!), so I can see why Game Freak would relent their efforts.. But yeah, an in-game National Dex would be nice (with Shiny Charm and a 2nd Diploma as the prizes), with regional Dex completion awarding something else and the 1st Diploma.

Hikamaru June 27th, 2017 7:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9670805)
I realise catching them all is a pipe dream now mostly given how many there are, but not having them register in the game is just plain lazy. If they're really too lazy to write some new Pokedex entries they could just re-word existing ones - it's not like that hasn't happened before - or even cutpaste them. It's not THAT great of a task, surely. No excuse not to have National Pokedex in these games to be honest.

I think Game Freak were trying to make getting the Oval and Shiny Charms easier, and they also likely didn't want to be re-using previous Pokedex entries. In previous games when you get the National Dex, the Pokemon that weren't in the regional Dex basically recycled a Pokedex entry from the previous game.

pkmin3033 June 27th, 2017 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9690023)
I think Game Freak were trying to make getting the Oval and Shiny Charms easier, and they also likely didn't want to be re-using previous Pokedex entries. In previous games when you get the National Dex, the Pokemon that weren't in the regional Dex basically recycled a Pokedex entry from the previous game.

Easier, but not too much easier, apparently...300 Pokemon is still a hell of a lot. It takes a while to fill the dex with that many. Although I wonder if it was done because they knew Pokemon Bank wouldn't be available right away, and patching the National Dex into the game after that would have been too much effort? I'm not entirely sure I agree with you about re-using dex entries, though...I think maybe you're giving them a little too much credit. I mean, they've done it more than once, and some Pokemon have very little deviation between dex entries across generations anyway; it's just slightly re-worded information. Why would it make a difference this time? With the 20th Anniversary, they'd have the perfect excuse to re-use those entries without criticism, too: nostalgia.

Alexander18 June 27th, 2017 12:30 PM

I miss the national dex. Feels off to have a pokemon with no dex entry in SM.

Hikamaru July 2nd, 2017 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9690268)
I miss the national dex. Feels off to have a pokemon with no dex entry in SM.

It does feel weird, but when you consider how many Pokemon there are, I feel Game Freak likely wanted to do it this way (aka make it Bank-exclusive) is so they don't have to spend so much time writing all those Pokedex entries.

Alexander18 July 2nd, 2017 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9694145)
It does feel weird, but when you consider how many Pokemon there are, I feel Game Freak likely wanted to do it this way (aka make it Bank-exclusive) is so they don't have to spend so much time writing all those Pokedex entries.

Yeah. 802 is a lot. Best they can do is include older pokemon in USUM.

Hikamaru July 27th, 2017 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9694476)
Yeah. 802 is a lot. Best they can do is include older pokemon in USUM.

I think that is something I can agree with. B2/W2 added older Pokemon to the Unova Dex, so it's fair to say US/UM will do the same, especially when you consider how terribly handled the original Alola Dex was in terms of generation distribution with its native Pokemon, with Kanto and Alola Pokemon dominating the lineup.

Alexander18 July 27th, 2017 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9716404)
I think that is something I can agree with. B2/W2 added older Pokemon to the Unova Dex, so it's fair to say US/UM will do the same, especially when you consider how terribly handled the original Alola Dex was in terms of generation distribution with its native Pokemon, with Kanto and Alola Pokemon dominating the lineup.

Hopefully the other gens get better treatment. I think the pokedex could have about 400 - 500.

BlazingCobaltX July 27th, 2017 12:48 AM

I damn hope so. It feels super weird having no dex number or entries for a lot of Pokémon - not only for information purpose, but it feels like there's no higher goal to reach to. I'm already halfway the Alola dex, it feels almost too easy. The chance is slim now that Pokébank has such a feature, but I really hope they bring it back in USUM (or next Gen if they won't).

shadowmoon522 July 27th, 2017 7:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BlazingCobaltX (Post 9716427)
I damn hope so. It feels super weird having no dex number or entries for a lot of Pokémon - not only for information purpose, but it feels like there's no higher goal to reach to. I'm already halfway the Alola dex, it feels almost too easy. The chance is slim now that Pokébank has such a feature, but I really hope they bring it back in USUM (or next Gen if they won't).

its also a pain in the ass to try & sort mons by number only to have to pull out another ds or a pc in order to see where their supposed to go

Altairis July 28th, 2017 8:34 AM

All I want is a National dex!

Phyrrhic July 28th, 2017 8:48 AM

The National Dex is a quintessential part of any Pokemon game in my opinion. I would love to see it back, and i have a feeling it will return.

(If not a National Dex, i really hope they get rid of the annoying as ever "Rotom Dex". The Dex is a device, not a character!)

Hikamaru July 28th, 2017 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9717489)
(If not a National Dex, i really hope they get rid of the annoying as ever "Rotom Dex". The Dex is a device, not a character!)

Remember that Rotom Dex's purpose in S/M was to guide the player character around, since he/she was a foreigner who moved to Alola from another region. If the US/UM player characters are also foreigners who moved to Alola, it will likely mean Rotom Dex will be here to stay.

Phyrrhic July 29th, 2017 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9717847)
Remember that Rotom Dex's purpose in S/M was to guide the player character around, since he/she was a foreigner who moved to Alola from another region. If the US/UM player characters are also foreigners who moved to Alola, it will likely mean Rotom Dex will be here to stay.

Fair point, I had forgotten that aspect/purpose for the character.

I still wish for a more Pokegear (GS / HGSS) type approach for player guiding, as I found the character to be grating, especially post game, where I don't need any more guidance.

It just seemed childish to me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 30th, 2017 9:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9694145)
It does feel weird, but when you consider how many Pokemon there are, I feel Game Freak likely wanted to do it this way (aka make it Bank-exclusive) is so they don't have to spend so much time writing all those Pokedex entries.

Funny that you bring that up since Gen VI recycled a lot of older dex entries, and Gen V (at least BW did) reused those of Platinum's for non Unova mons. With Gen VII having new ones, I was looking forward to finally getting something else after years of certain mons not gaining any new entries.

Hikamaru August 7th, 2017 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9719237)
Funny that you bring that up since Gen VI recycled a lot of older dex entries, and Gen V (at least BW did) reused those of Platinum's for non Unova mons. With Gen VII having new ones, I was looking forward to finally getting something else after years of certain mons not gaining any new entries.

I was feeling the same too, considering how much Alola emphasised on nature and how it behaves, yet Game Freak only cared about what was in the regional Dex. That's like wasted potential for Pokedex entries for 500 out of 802 Pokemon.


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