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Famon June 6th, 2017 10:50 PM

Leak and rumor discussion.
 
Since Pokemon sun and Moon was leaked so easily So I decide to create a Leak and Rumor threat.
Lets start with this

https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ExyonWZ.png

https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/gSvxAIu.jpg

Alternate Universe Happy Gladion ?

Furthermore , CoroCoro will leak soon with an astonishing News about Marshadow.
Does anyone think that it might have something to do with Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon ?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire June 6th, 2017 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9670194)
Since Pokemon sun and Moon was leaked so easily So I decide to create a Leak and Rumor threat.
Lets start with this

https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ExyonWZ.png

https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/gSvxAIu.jpg

Alternate Universe Happy Gladion ?

Furthermore , CoroCoro will leak soon with an astonishing News about Marshadow.
Does anyone think that it might have something to do with Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon ?

That's already been debunked as fake as far as I'm aware.

As for Marshadow. It might just be related to it's Z-move. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did have another forme. The 'cute' legendary released post original pair have gotten a form since Shaymin (others include Keldeo, Diancie, and Hoopa).

Flowerchild June 6th, 2017 11:09 PM

I heard the screenshot was confirmed as fake.. was the concept art debunked as well? Not fully in the loop.
Disappointing, too. Thats a sick outfit haha

Hikamaru June 6th, 2017 11:14 PM

That Gladion pic was confirmed fake, but the Confidential stamp on the concept art is more debatable since it was similar to the one on the leaked concept art of Decidueye, Incineroar and Primarina which leaked this time last year.

Anyways, not really expecting CoroCoro's next issue to show much relating to US/UM but if they do show a lot I'll definitely take it.

Famon July 16th, 2017 5:48 AM



Apparently , There is this rumor about Lycanroc third form in serebiiform.
Well, The trailer does hints a signature Z-move for Lycanroc.

Kartanaheart July 16th, 2017 7:52 AM

If Lycanroc does get a third form, I wonder what it's going to be. They already have night and day, would it be like evening or something?

Shadowblade95 July 16th, 2017 8:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kartanaheart (Post 9706522)
If Lycanroc does get a third form, I wonder what it's going to be. They already have night and day, would it be like evening or something?

I would imagine if Lycanroc got a 3rd form that it would be an "eclipse" form. So the sun and moon combined.

Hikamaru July 16th, 2017 8:48 AM

As intriguing as these theories regarding a third new form for Lycanroc are concerned, I feel that it shouldn't happen because both Midday and Midnight Forms are simple designs but they work. Another form would just look way too overdesigned for a simple-looking popular Pokemon.

pkmin3033 July 16th, 2017 9:20 AM

I would think a third Lycanroc would be far more likely if we were dealing with a single game, but given that we have two, it doesn't make much sense. The Lycanroc in the trailer was clearly the Midday form, so I'd say that rules that possibility out.

Famon July 16th, 2017 11:17 AM

It seem Game-freak teasing a mystery plushie from Ultra Sun and Ultra moon

https://twitter.com/Pokeshopper/status/886391232720719875

Alexander18 July 16th, 2017 11:24 AM

First of, leaks are real pokemon news that got released early. Rumors are things that may or may not be true.

None of those leaks people are seeing are leaks. That are rumors. Most of them are fake. I don't believe in any of them.

pkmin3033 July 17th, 2017 3:58 AM

The problem with a lot of this data lies in its interpretation. Some data has been leaked - we know there is something that is linked to Lycanroc that wasn't included in SM, and we know SM includes unused walking/running animations, for example - but speculation surrounding that data is just rumour. It's a very clear, but irritating line. Rumours are often based on leaks, which lends them some form of substance...but not much.

WingsofBliss July 17th, 2017 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9670194)
Since Pokemon sun and Moon was leaked so easily So I decide to create a Leak and Rumor threat.
Lets start with this

https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ExyonWZ.png

https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/gSvxAIu.jpg

Alternate Universe Happy Gladion ?

Furthermore , CoroCoro will leak soon with an astonishing News about Marshadow.
Does anyone think that it might have something to do with Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon ?

Hmm... not sure about the screenshot, but I'm getting dejavu from that concept art. It looks very similar to the art that leaked the Alola starters and Mallow. IIRC, there was a similar leak that happened with either BW or BW2, and it turned out to be real as well. Same layout, same style, and the 'confidential' stamp. I will roll on the floor if Lillie turns out to be with Team Skull. Imagining her that way is almost ludicrous haha.

With that said, I'm almost positive that art is real. That means what Masuda had said about it being an alternate reality is true and I'm very excited. Although, this would have been a pleasant surprise upon playing the game, so going forward I think I'm going to avoid any Pokemon news until the release of the games.

Pinkie-Dawn July 17th, 2017 6:39 AM

In regards to the rumor of Lycanroc getting a third form, we have a placeholder for one when SM got datamined, so it's not like the rumor is anything new.

Also, that Gladion leak is already confirmed fake.

Kartanaheart July 17th, 2017 7:59 AM

In that Gladion leak I can't believe nobody's noticed how small they made Silvally. That to me was a dead giveaway.

clbgolden July 17th, 2017 10:09 AM

That Gladion leak is definitely fake. The fact that it's on the freaking Switch should be a dead giveaway.

WingsofBliss July 17th, 2017 10:59 AM

I agree that the screenshot is fake, but the concept art is too uncanny to past art leaks that I don't think the art should be automatically dismissed as fake.

pkmin3033 July 17th, 2017 11:04 AM

I'm going to continue quietly praying it is fake, because that is quite possibly the worst costume design I've seen from a Pokemon NPC in years; it's positively horrific.

thedestinedblade July 17th, 2017 11:06 AM

Bring on those Chinese leaks (again) {XD}

Phyrrhic July 17th, 2017 11:47 AM

Why would Game Freak give Gladion moon shoes? I'm gonna assume that that is fake.

Its important to note that i was insistent that the final starters from last summer were fake as well.

clbgolden July 17th, 2017 1:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9707466)
I agree that the screenshot is fake, but the concept art is too uncanny to past art leaks that I don't think the art should be automatically dismissed as fake.

Given that the concept art and the screenshot were paired together, if one's fake the other is probably fake as well. It'd be weird for the leaker to give one fake leak and then a real one.

pkmin3033 July 17th, 2017 1:26 PM

Well, we don't actually know what Pokemon Stars is yet. Wouldn't it be interesting if USUM were set in an alternate universe to SM as some people theorise, and Pokemon Stars on the Switch was the sequel that brought the two titles together? If that was the case, the leak could very well be a real (hopefully very early) prototype, just not related to USUM.

I realise that's highly unlikely, especially if this is confirmed fake. But it's just a thought.

WingsofBliss July 17th, 2017 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9707469)
I'm going to continue quietly praying it is fake, because that is quite possibly the worst costume design I've seen from a Pokemon NPC in years; it's positively horrific.

Just don't let Lusamine hear you say that, she's likely the one that picked the outfit for him.😂😂

Quote:

Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9707602)
Given that the concept art and the screenshot were paired together, if one's fake the other is probably fake as well. It'd be weird for the leaker to give one fake leak and then a real one.

IIRC, some of the Chinese leaks from last year were right, while the rest of them from the same bunch were wrong. I don't know exactly how these leaks work, but that was just my observation. The person who "leaked" these pictures may have made the fake screenshot and paired it with something that may be more substantial(the art) to fool people into thinking the screenshot is credible.

@Meyneth I like that idea about Pokemon Stars. I'm confused though, is SUM supposed to be what the Pokemon Stars leak/rumor turned out to be, or are they separate?

clbgolden July 17th, 2017 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9707656)
IIRC, some of the Chinese leaks from last year were right, while the rest of them from the same bunch were wrong. I don't know exactly how these leaks work, but that was just my observation. The person who "leaked" these pictures may have made the fake screenshot and paired it with something that may be more substantial(the art) to fool people into thinking the screenshot is credible.

That could be possible, but it's also pretty unlikely. Assuming the screenshot is fake and the art is real, the leaker wouldn't want to have fake info as it would dash his credibility.

-Grimsley- July 17th, 2017 5:45 PM

ah, it seems that there are already a thread about leaks here. oh well, time to put my two cents in i guess.

i mainly want to spread some info about the gladion "leak", considering that some people are still talking about it.

1.) The art is fake. It was made by a person named EMDY on facebook with no intent to troll or trick anyone into believing it was real. His art was actually based on the screenshot leak that came before it. He even talked about it on his Facebook and Youtube (both links are right here!) and stated that it wasn't real.

2.) As for the screenshot... yeah, we can all agree thats fake too. I mean, come on, it's on the switch!

so yeah, i know that some of its already been said, but i just wanted to get some information out there because 1. people still think the art is real 2. i was surprised info about the art wasn't said sooner i̶ ̶g̶u̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶w̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶l̶a̶z̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶e̶a̶r̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶l̶o̶l̶

but yeah, thats all i got to say, i hope you all have a nice day!

oh and sorry for crushing some people's hopes about the art being real

not really tho

WingsofBliss July 17th, 2017 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Grimsley- (Post 9707756)
ah, it seems that there are already a thread about leaks here. oh well, time to put my two cents in i guess.

i mainly want to spread some info about the gladion "leak", considering that some people are still talking about it.

1.) The art is fake. It was made by a person named EMDY on facebook with no intent to troll or trick anyone into believing it was real. His art was actually based on the screenshot leak that came before it. He even talked about it on his Facebook and Youtube (both links are right here!) and stated that it wasn't real.

2.) As for the screenshot... yeah, we can all agree thats fake too. I mean, come on, it's on the switch!

so yeah, i know that some of its already been said, but i just wanted to get some information out there because 1. people still think the art is real 2. i was surprised info about the art wasn't said sooner i̶ ̶g̶u̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶w̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶l̶a̶z̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶e̶a̶r̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶l̶o̶l̶

but yeah, thats all i got to say, i hope you all have a nice day!

oh and sorry for crushing some people's hopes about the art being real

not really tho

Thanks for clearing that all up, but you could have been a little nicer about it. Calling people too lazy to look things up when I haven't accessed this site in about a year is uncalled for, not to mention I'm too busy with my real life to read through dozens of links and websites for something so small.

-Grimsley- July 18th, 2017 5:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9707816)
Thanks for clearing that all up, but you could have been a little nicer about it. Calling people too lazy to look things up when I haven't accessed this site in about a year is uncalled for, not to mention I'm too busy with my real life to read through dozens of links and websites for something so small.

I'm sorry you feel like that way over something like this. It wasn't meant to attack/call out anyone, it was simply me joking around late at night.

Hikamaru July 19th, 2017 6:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedestinedblade (Post 9707473)
Bring on those Chinese leaks (again) {XD}

Something tells me we're not even hearing about leaks lately, since this time last year we had those Chinese leaks floating and how much stuff it correctly predicted. US/UM doesn't seem to be attracting leakers for some reason, but maybe if a trailer drops it could make them get going.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9707499)
Its important to note that i was insistent that the final starters from last summer were fake as well.

I definitely remembered that. I knew they would be real the moment that art was leaked, especially because they had that "Confidential" label on them.

Famon July 20th, 2017 1:42 AM

That's remind me, There were some chinese leak that didn't came true in S/M.
Maybe, They will come true in USUM---

> a Snowman like mentioned in the Chinese rumor and it is an Ice/Ghost 2 stage

>There is a 2 stage cat Pokemon that is Normal when captures but will inherit the fathers primary type as its 2nd type when hatched and the color/pattern varies by type

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedestinedblade (Post 9707473)
Bring on those Chinese leaks (again) {XD}

Well , there is a 4-chan leak that that claiming itself to be Chinese leak--

http://boards.4chan.org/vp/thread/33027660/ultra-sun-and-ultra-moon-chinese-leak

The first leak --

>29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic
>2 new ultra beasts
>there are 5 gyms and 3 trials, the pokemon league stays as it was in sun and moon except for acerola being replaced by a new member of the elite four
>postgame will include catching ultra beasts and the battle tree but will also add 2 new small islands for a story similar to delta episode and this is how players will obtain marshadow

The second leak claim to be real leak --

>you can chose between trials and gyms
>you can change pokeball of your starter
>there's a shop where you can create customized pokeball for your starter
>move tutors including new ones, more tm's
>cross will be new champion
>dragon trainer will be elite 4
>hex maniac story from XY will continue in surprising way
>sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens
>sycamore will hint us return to kalos [which will happen during next gen]
>alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon]
>the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game]
>solgaleo and lunala will be another kyurem fusions
>guzma will have a surprising role in the game
>battle tree is now more popular and resembles PWT
>pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded

It felt possible until he mention Cross being the champion and Alola starter having both Megevolution and signature Ultra-Zmove,

Hikamaru July 20th, 2017 1:46 AM

I personally don't believe all that. We likely won't get any new Pokemon until the next generation, plus Cross is a movie original character meaning he likely won't appear in the games since that's what tends to happen for anime original characters in general.

Alexander18 July 20th, 2017 2:11 AM

Yeah. Any leak that says we have entirely new pokemon in the current gen is automatically fake. It is just too obvious.

Zeiro July 20th, 2017 6:41 PM

I don't remember where I saw it, but I'm pretty sure the Gladion artwork is fake, as well as the screenshot. I remember clicking something which took me to a facebook page, where someone claimed to be the creator of the Gladion art. They could be lying since I don't remember how I found it, but I 100% remember it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9709833)
Well , there is a 4-chan leak that that claiming itself to be Chinese leak--

http://boards.4chan.org/vp/thread/33027660/ultra-sun-and-ultra-moon-chinese-leak

The first leak --

>29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic
>2 new ultra beasts
>there are 5 gyms and 3 trials, the pokemon league stays as it was in sun and moon except for acerola being replaced by a new member of the elite four
>postgame will include catching ultra beasts and the battle tree but will also add 2 new small islands for a story similar to delta episode and this is how players will obtain marshadow

The second leak claim to be real leak --

>you can chose between trials and gyms
>you can change pokeball of your starter
>there's a shop where you can create customized pokeball for your starter
>move tutors including new ones, more tm's
>cross will be new champion
>dragon trainer will be elite 4
>hex maniac story from XY will continue in surprising way
>sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens
>sycamore will hint us return to kalos [which will happen during next gen]
>alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon]
>the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game]
>solgaleo and lunala will be another kyurem fusions
>guzma will have a surprising role in the game
>battle tree is now more popular and resembles PWT
>pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded

It felt possible until he mention Cross being the champion and Alola starter having both Megevolution and signature Ultra-Zmove,

First set is plausible, second set is 100% fake. I doubt they will include new MegaLutions mid-gen, especially since SM didn't even have any.

WingsofBliss July 21st, 2017 2:17 AM

Looks like we got news dropping soon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/888314210291257344

pkmin3033 July 21st, 2017 3:11 AM

I feel like that could just be the new Solgaleo/Lunala designs and Marshadow to be honest...

blue July 21st, 2017 3:49 AM

Are those figures not just the other three Tapus?

Hikamaru July 21st, 2017 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9710688)

So we have Nihilego, Tapu Bulu, Necrozma and Silvally among the already confirmed figures. Maybe the hidden ones could be Marshadow as well the Ultra forms of Solgaleo and Lunala?

Kartanaheart July 21st, 2017 6:18 AM

>alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon]
>2 new ultra beasts
>29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic
>the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game]
>pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded
>sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens

No way. NO WAY. This is all too good to be true. There's no way.
And if it is, then wow. They really outdid themselves this time.

WingsofBliss July 21st, 2017 6:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9710792)
So we have Nihilego, Tapu Bulu, Necrozma and Silvally among the already confirmed figures. Maybe the hidden ones could be Marshadow as well the Ultra forms of Solgaleo and Lunala?

That's what I'm thinking. Come to think of it, we don't even know the names of the new Legendary forms yet. I'm starting to think we may not hear anything until the beginning of August, which is fine by me.

pkmin3033 July 21st, 2017 9:02 PM

Well, there are only a few days of July left...we could get something drop right at the end of the month, but obviously with each day that passes it seems less and less likely.

I somehow doubt three mysterious figures are anything to get excited over, though...

strangerhypno July 22nd, 2017 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kartanaheart (Post 9710806)
>alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon]
>2 new ultra beasts
>29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic
>the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game]
>pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded
>sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens

No way. NO WAY. This is all too good to be true. There's no way.
And if it is, then wow. They really outdid themselves this time.

Sounds silly and unlikely, also Megas for Gen 7 starters but not for 2, 4, 5, and Chesnaught and Delphox?

jombii July 22nd, 2017 4:41 PM

I wouldn't call A-Greninja as mega evolution.

leaks so far seemed fake but I guess that's expected? Once we have a trailer drop, I think leaks/rumors will spread like wildfire again.

Hikamaru July 22nd, 2017 4:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9711189)
That's what I'm thinking. Come to think of it, we don't even know the names of the new Legendary forms yet. I'm starting to think we may not hear anything until the beginning of August, which is fine by me.

We've only got 8 days left of the month, so I guess I'm going to come to the conclusion that news coverage will start in August. Like you, I do hope we get the term for the new Solgaleo and Lunala forms revealed soon.

jombii July 22nd, 2017 4:54 PM

Necrozma-Sun, Necrozma-Moon

The thing I believe in the previous post is how the UBs will take more spotlight. That I can completely get behind with.

Hikamaru July 22nd, 2017 5:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kartanaheart (Post 9710806)
>alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon]
>2 new ultra beasts
>29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic
>the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game]
>pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded
>sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens

No way. NO WAY. This is all too good to be true. There's no way.
And if it is, then wow. They really outdid themselves this time.

I definitely don't believe this one either. Anything that mentions new Pokemon is something I'm not going to take as legit, considering this is another 7th Gen game and not 8th Gen. The point about new Z-Moves I could see being something likely though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home (Post 9712020)
Necrozma-Sun, Necrozma-Moon

The thing I believe in the previous post is how the UBs will take more spotlight. That I can completely get behind with.

That is definitely what I'm also thinking. Considering the "Ultra" in the titles, it should be implied the Ultra Beasts would play a larger role, and a great improvement on S/M's story where only Nihilego played importance to the plot.

jombii July 22nd, 2017 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9712032)
I definitely don't believe this one either. Anything that mentions new Pokemon is something I'm not going to take as legit, considering this is another 7th Gen game and not 8th Gen. The point about new Z-Moves I could see being something likely though.



That is definitely what I'm also thinking. Considering the "Ultra" in the titles, it should be implied the Ultra Beasts would play a larger role, and a great improvement on S/M's story where only Nihilego played importance to the plot.

It's also playing off the fact that it is subtly implied that Solgaleo and Lunala are UBs themselves. albeit the more normal looking ones.

Alexander18 July 22nd, 2017 7:54 PM

I made it my belief to not believe in any leaks until true info is shown on official sites.

edgywallflower July 22nd, 2017 8:51 PM

Predictions for USUM
 
After reviewing several sources, such as the Japanese Pokémon website and the teaser trailer in the June 6 Nintendo Direct, these are the predictions I've formulated. Check out some YouTube videos exploring the Google Translated website for more info. A lot of this stuff may seem outlandish, but hear me out and let me know your thoughts. What are your personal predictions for USUM? Hopes?

- Time traveling through Ultra Wormholes to an ancient civilization of Alola where Nihilego attacked humans, as pictured in the teasers on the Pokémon Japanese website. How is this kind of travel possible? An Ultra Wormhole sucked in Professor Mohn and spat him out at what is now Poké Pelago. Perhaps time travel could be possible with Ultra Wormholes acting as a 4-D timeline to walk through.
- How could this ancient civilization be Alola from the past? Well, Sun and Moon take place in Alola, so it would only make sense to stay there. Also, it is important to note that Alola is unlike any other previous Pokémon regions. Alola has its own customs and traditions. They do not conform to the Pokémon Gyms and League style; they have trials and kahunas. So, in honoring the tradition of the Island Trial System, the Alolan people connect with their ancient people/civilization, much like Hawaiians do (since obviously Alola is based off of Hawaii). Plus, Ultra Beasts debuted in Alola. So perhaps Alola has been attacked multiple times in the past, thus summoning a need for Island guardian Pokémon like Tapu Koko, Tapu Fini, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu.
- With the debate about mythical Pokémon across all generations on the Japanese Pokémon website, could Alola become a hub for getting to the bottom of these strange occurences? Famous trainers from other generations have already appeared in game, like Red, Blue, and Cynthia, so this wouldn't be surprising if other popular characters drop in to help.
- Is the Hex Girl's occult group going to be a major group in the games?
- Will the Aether Foundation be led by Gladion? Would he utilize the Foundation to find his father through further researching Ultra Wormholes? Will he seek the help of the occult group if he does?
- The conversation between the Hex Girl and Scientists make the Scientists seem like the bad guys in that they are so adamant about their positions to the point that it comes across as mean. Could scientists antagonists in this game?
- How do the Necrozma forms of Solgaleo and Lunala tie into this new information?
- Does Guzma have his own gym now? Do his ex-grunts act as trainers to battle in his Gym?
- Team Skull disbanded at the end of Sun and Moon. I don't think they'd come back together. Unless Guzma doesn't have a Gym, and he decides to band them back together for a good purpose. But I don't know what that would be.
- Japanese website says Necrozma is an "Ultra Beast-esque" Pokémon, implying that it is not an Ultra Beast at all. Much the same as when Nintendo or Pokémon tweeted about how the new Solgaleo and Lunala forms resembled the legendaries, but not stating that the new forms are in fact them. The website also comments on how Necrozma looks like it came from an ancient world. Perhaps, if my earlier theory is true, we will travel back in time to the ancient civilization which Necrozma is associated with. Perhaps it is a civilization that is another world entirely, as the entry about Necrozma suggests. Is it a parallel universe of Alola? Or merely the past? Finally, it ends the entry with one question: Will Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon reveal the Pokémon's true identity? So, Necrozma is not actually Necrozma? Or is it alluding to its role in the world?
- About supposedly new CoroCoro leaks of USUM: WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THE YOUNG BLONDE GIRL IS LILLIE?! I wouldn't say it is Lillie because the dress is stylized much the same as the dress we know Lusamine wears in Sun and Moon. It's obviously Lusamine as a little girl. The young Lusamine is also holding the Aether Foundation symbol attached to a stick. What is that thing? Could that be a key item in relation to Ultra Beasts, since we know Lusamine already did extensive research into Ultra Wormholes and Beasts? If you look closely, the Aether Foundation symbol actually kind of looks like Necrozma in its simplest form (even look at Necrozma/Solgaleo form's tail!). Could there be a relation? Also, could we travel back in time to meet a younger Lusamine? Could we meet other younger versions of characters like Kukui, Guzma, Hala, and the trial captains/kahunas? What would the purpose of this action be? What could possibly be so important in that point in time? Will we meet the original founder of the Aether Foundation? Or will we witness a young Lusamine form it herself and ask for her aid in research of Ultra Beasts for Gladion in the future?
- Z-rings probably get an upgrade or tweak. They're black instead of white now. And as we saw in the original teaser trailer from June 6, we can now turn the stone in our Z-rings to activate some new power. What will it be?
- Tiny flaw in artwork of the supposed CoroCoro leak. Male protagonist has a giant backpack, but the female protagonist doesn't have a bag or purse like she did in Sun/Moon. Silly mistake I'm sure...?
- The original forms of Solgaleo and Lunala have an eye on their forehead. When they are fused or whatever with Necrozma, the eye is replaced with a 2D colorful triangle. Do they change their type?

jombii July 23rd, 2017 7:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9712106)
I made it my belief to not believe in any leaks until true info is shown on official sites.

Yep. But you also need to learn how to discern a possible leak from an obv fake one lol. It's the only way to simulate discussion. :)

Alexander18 July 23rd, 2017 8:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home (Post 9713146)
Yep. But you also need to learn how to discern a possible leak from an obv fake one lol. It's the only way to simulate discussion. :)

True. Sometimes Serebii posts leaks on main page that later comes out as true. But i don't know. I think official reveal of news is best reliable.

Eruption July 25th, 2017 7:32 AM

Pokebeach are speculating over whether there will be a Shiny Silvally (/Type:Null) event distribution. This is due to a TCG product of Shiny Silvally being released on the same date as the game. A Shiny card for Tapu-Koko was released to coincide with his current in-game event, so it's understandable to see their thought process. It could be cool going through the game with Silvally in my team, similar to having Victini early on in Black & White.

I wouldn't believe any leaks at this point given how little information GF has let out. The fact that it's mainly Youtubers circulating the leaked information makes me 100% sceptical because they're all just interested in their revenue.

Kartanaheart July 25th, 2017 7:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strangerhypno (Post 9711950)
Sounds silly and unlikely, also Megas for Gen 7 starters but not for 2, 4, 5, and Chesnaught and Delphox?

Yeah, exactly. Suddenly they just bring megas back? I mean, it'd be cool if it were true, but no love for the other starters? New Z moves does seem like the only likely thing--maybe I should have worded myself better, I don't believe those are legit in the slightest.

WingsofBliss July 25th, 2017 3:19 PM

I came across this video, and apparently according to Joe Merrick on Twitter the information mentioned in the video is legit:

https://youtu.be/fYVpDQRbTbQ

So it looks like it's very possible we'll be getting USM news sometime around August 10th or a little before even. The SM trailers of each month usually dropped within the first week.

Alexander18 July 25th, 2017 7:36 PM

I doubt it. That video seems like mere speculation. I wouldn't buy into that. I rather see the official sites show news.

WingsofBliss July 25th, 2017 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9715213)
I doubt it. That video seems like mere speculation. I wouldn't buy into that. I rather see the official sites show news.

This conversation on Twitter heavily implies that the info in the video comes directly from a reliable source:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/889901085065965570

For those who don't quite get what he's saying, Joe would call BS on it if it was NOT from a reliable source. But in fact that this is from a reliable source. Joe knows his stuff when it comes to leaks, that's not an exaggeration.

Alexander18 July 25th, 2017 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9715248)
This conversation on Twitter heavily implies that the info in the video comes directly from a reliable source:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/889901085065965570

For those who don't quite get what he's saying, Joe would call BS on it if it was NOT from a reliable source. But in fact that this is from a reliable source. Joe knows his stuff when it comes to leaks, that's not an exaggeration.

I am not gonna believe that merchandise would reveal/indicate new info. Toys revealing/pointing towards new info for new games? I laugh at that. The only source i trust is official websites and when serebii puts new info on the main page.

Famon July 25th, 2017 11:23 PM

The anime community has explode after the new episode title "S/M 37 :Rockruff and Guradian deity from ruin of life"
It seem there is a huge rumor about Lycanroc's third form debuting in the that episode.

jombii July 26th, 2017 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9715272)
I am not gonna believe that merchandise would reveal/indicate new info. Toys revealing/pointing towards new info for new games? I laugh at that. The only source i trust is official websites and when serebii puts new info on the main page.

smh Joe Merrick is serebii. Also, if you can remember, Mareanie was revealed through tcg

Alexander18 July 26th, 2017 1:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home (Post 9715412)
smh Joe Merrick is serebii. Also, if you can remember, Mareanie was revealed through tcg

I know joe merrick is serebii. I still trust official sites over merchandise.

WingsofBliss July 26th, 2017 4:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9715463)
I know joe merrick is serebii. I still trust official sites over merchandise.

Official merchandise like this is pretty official, depending on what company it's coming from. It's true that there's a lot of places you can't trust, but at the same time there's sources that you can trust, like the one we're talking about right now which is Tomy Toys. They're based in Japan and do sell merchandise that is with the official Pokemon brand, so they're just about as official as Nintendo and Game Freak. I don't think I can stress that enough, you just need to learn how to distinguish between which sources are official and which ones are not.

In other news, the Pokemon Switch game is coming out in late 2018 or later, and that according to Nintendo there are not going to be any other core series Pokemon games between UltraSM and Pokemon Switch. So I guess that means no Gen 4 remakes for those of us who were hoping.

pkmin3033 July 26th, 2017 4:36 AM

Whilst I highly doubt a reveal would come from the anime now, given its sharp decline in popularity - and they would have saved it for the movie, I would have thought - I have to wonder, if Serebii is giving this credit, if there might not be something to it.

The 26th today, and this is supposed to be a significant day for some reason? Guess we'll see, although I won't hold my breath.

Hikamaru July 26th, 2017 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9715612)
The 26th today, and this is supposed to be a significant day for some reason? Guess we'll see, although I won't hold my breath.

I still haven't seen anything on the social media yet, so I'm doubting it. Usually I would expect Pokemon news flooding the social media if it gets revealed.

pkmin3033 July 26th, 2017 4:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9715617)
I still haven't seen anything on the social media yet, so I'm doubting it. Usually I would expect Pokemon news flooding the social media if it gets revealed.

I admit it does seem highly unlikely, especially given the high number of rumours floating around in anticipation of something tangible, but...eh. Rumour discussion. Was just something I heard. xD

WingsofBliss July 26th, 2017 6:27 AM

The thing about the 26th was that the Daisuki Club had revealed a "Mystery File" today, and it turned out to be a Lunatone distribution or something like that. What happened was the online community took it as upcoming USM news and blew it out of proportion.

Alexander18 July 26th, 2017 12:12 PM

It is the 27th where i am. There is no USUM news. So the 26th was a bust. I never took it seriously in the first place.

ShivaDF July 26th, 2017 9:54 PM

I know this is old news now, but I have a question about these rumors (versions of the same list from two different sites):

http://pokejungle.net/2017/06/12/rumor-ultra-sun-ultra-moon-details/

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?658343-Rumors-Leaks-Discussion-Thread

If these are actually true, I'm wondering about Rainbow specifically. Obviously that name would be a reference to Necrozma's prism, but also--it supposedly has old characters in it? Could this be a rework of Team Plasma? Team Plasma had Sages named after different colors, a boss whose name came from the word "colorless," and both "plasma" and "rainbows" have some connection to splitting things or breaking things apart... it could also explain why Colress is absent from the SM art book even though Grimsley is not. Seriously, why is Colress's new design not present in the art book when Grimsley's is, especially since Grimsely has even less of a role?

Also, it's clear that USUM will involve Solgaleo and Lunala fuzing with Necrozma. Team Plasma fused Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, and while Ghetsis is the one who came up with that plan, Colress wouldn't just have gotten rid of all that research, right?

Alexander18 July 27th, 2017 12:21 AM

Colress is unlikely to play a role. I don't really want him to either. I rather see a new character that SM introduce be involved with the legendaries.

Pinkie-Dawn July 27th, 2017 7:11 AM



Skip to 5:55 for the new leak because he's just recapping the merchandise leak we've already covered.

riddlemeree July 27th, 2017 11:11 AM

I agree with Alexander18 on wanting new characters rather than returning villains, but I would love for these leaks to be true. They sound so good...too good.

L'Belle July 27th, 2017 12:49 PM

I'm fine with anything, but I don't want to believe a lot of these.

pkmin3033 July 27th, 2017 1:00 PM

I'm immediately skeptical of a massive uncredited info dump like this...especially from boards like that. If it pops up across multiple news sites then I'm more inclined to believe it than not, but...yeah.

I really hope we're not only getting Johto Alolan forms, and I wouldn't have thought GF would want to go down the whole "Let's make a fire-type an ice-type!" route again, so that Slugma thing...ehhhh.

strangerhypno July 27th, 2017 2:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9716919)
I'm immediately skeptical of a massive uncredited info dump like this...especially from boards like that. If it pops up across multiple news sites then I'm more inclined to believe it than not, but...yeah.

I really hope we're not only getting Johto Alolan forms, and I wouldn't have thought GF would want to go down the whole "Let's make a fire-type an ice-type!" route again, so that Slugma thing...ehhhh.

Alolan Slugma thing comes from 4chan, definitely fake. I don't like the idea of a ice type Slugma anyways because it's going to remain weak with its low stats and bad Ice typing and not improve.

I disagree that other regions should get Alola forms too. Kanto alolan forms had typings that weren't as common in the original games like Dragon, Ice and Ghost and typing that did not exist yet like Steel, Dark and Fairy. The Pokemon that were handed new Alolan forms were more of the weaker and less popular ones. And the ones who could benefit from those rare typings and helpful forms would be some Johto pokemon I believe, because they haven't gotten any attention or special treatment and deserve something at least. The Virtual Console release of Gold and Silver is also on the way too.

EC July 27th, 2017 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strangerhypno (Post 9716971)
Alolan Slugma thing comes from 4chan, definitely fake.

More often than not, Pokemon stuff on 4chan turns out to be true, in a shocking twist.

WingsofBliss July 27th, 2017 7:04 PM

The Ice-type Slugma looks kind of ugly to me, to be honest...

Hikamaru July 27th, 2017 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9716648)


Skip to 5:55 for the new leak because he's just recapping the merchandise leak we've already covered.

While that Ice-type Slugma may be absolute crap in battle, it would still be a neat design concept plus people do want some 2nd Gen Pokemon to get Alolan Forms, though I personally want Gens 3-6 to get some as well.

pokestar1993 July 28th, 2017 8:06 AM

I think that one thing that might make the Ice-type Slugma fake, at least according to me, is the fact that Slugma is the Lava Pokémon. With the exception of Hoopa, Pokémon that have different forms keep the same Pokédex category, so would it make sense for an Ice-type Slugma to be called the Lava Pokémon. Another bit of information that I also came up with might provide evidence for the speculated third Lycanroc. Rockruff has 3 abilities, Keen Eye, Vital Spirit and Steadfast. When Rockruff evolves into Midday Lycanroc, Vital Spirit is replaced with Sand Rush. When Rockruff evolves into Midnight Lycanroc, Steadfast is replaced with No Guard. I believe that this hypothetical 3rd Lycanroc will have Keen Eye replaced.

Altairis July 28th, 2017 8:53 AM

Wait... I think I'm missing where the new Lycanroc speculation is coming from? I wouldn't mind one but I wonder how it would evolve.

For some reason I'm not super hyped about potential leaks. I'm still gonna play USUM, but I don't expect them to be the best games ever. Honestly? I'm expecting a slightly different game as a cash grab. Kind of lost some faith in Nintendo after all the stuff they've been pulling with extra content for purchase and trying to get money; if they're involved, I have my doubts.

pkmin3033 July 28th, 2017 9:18 AM

There was coding in SM that might indicate a third Lycanroc form, I believe? Plus people are getting unusually hyped about an upcoming anime episode that focuses around Lycanroc or something.

It'd be nice if we DID get a trailer early August as there is some speculating, though. I doubt it'll have the same content - what was described is far too much, and has varying degrees of believability - but we should be due something relatively soon.

Alexander18 July 28th, 2017 12:06 PM

I don't buy the whole third form of lycanroc. We already got two forms that it can use for USUM. I don't see how it would become the third form when it already taken the day and night method.

pkmin3033 July 28th, 2017 1:23 PM

I'd be more inclined to believe in the third form rumours if there was only one game. But we have two, and Lycanroc's forms were previously version exclusive...doesn't make much sense to do away with that.

Not sure what it would look like, either. There are plenty of names they could give it, but it seems a tad inconsistent and weird, coding or no coding. At least for these games. There is every possibility it could get another form in a future instalment.

Zeiro July 29th, 2017 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9716648)


Skip to 5:55 for the new leak because he's just recapping the merchandise leak we've already covered.

Literally just to words "Gangster Form Salazzle" make me lol and scream fake..

I do like the idea of Alolan Snubbul and Slugma, though the ability for Granbull seems dumb - out of all its weaknesses only Flying types are likely going to make physical contact, and Slugma's ability is dumb too, and no mention of Alolan Magcargo?. "Alolan Quillfish" is a fan idea that's been circulating around for years now, (much like Coconut!Shuckle), I doubt they're going to implement such a widespread fan idea into the game.

EDIT: sorry! Not trying to be negative, I just like trying to debunk leaks.

jacktheheracross July 29th, 2017 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeiro (Post 9717922)
Literally just to words "Gangster Form Salazzle" make me lol and scream fake..

I do like the idea of Alolan Snubbul and Slugma, though the ability for Granbull seems dumb - out of all its weaknesses only Flying types are likely going to make physical contact, and Slugma's ability is dumb too, and no mention of Alolan Magcargo?. "Alolan Quillfish" is a fan idea that's been circulating around for years now, (much like Coconut!Shuckle), I doubt they're going to implement such a widespread fan idea into the game.

EDIT: sorry! Not trying to be negative, I just like trying to debunk leaks.

Couldn't agree more man. I love the idea of Alolan Slugma (and Magcargo I guess?) as he's one of my favorite Pokemon, but IDK how I feel about the roles of Lillie and Gladion. Hau is fine, but I just feel like the new roles would almost change their characters in this "leak" (I'm probably getting a little too worried about it though lol). I think it's fake and I really hope it is. If it's real, then I hope at least a good story will come out of these characters' new roles.

pkmin3033 July 29th, 2017 1:02 PM

I wouldn't believe in a male-only Salandit evo unless I saw it anyway; there are plenty of Pokemon that have gender-specific forms, and it wouldn't be the first time a Pokemon would only evolve if a specific gender. It'd be a weird thing to introduce in the middle of the generation.

Alexander18 July 29th, 2017 4:47 PM

Yeah. There is not going to be a male evolution of salandit or male form of salazzle. Salazzle is made to be female only just like Vespiquen.

Hikamaru July 29th, 2017 5:21 PM

Salazzle is based on a whiptail lizard, some of which are female-only species. I think according to Bulbapedia it's in particular based on a New Mexico whiptail which I recall are only female. That explains why only female Salandit evolve and likely why I can't see a male counterpart happening until a new generation happens.

LilyGardy July 30th, 2017 9:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeiro;9717922[spoiler
]Literally just to words "Gangster Form Salazzle" make me lol and scream fake..

I do like the idea of Alolan Snubbul and Slugma, though the ability for Granbull seems dumb - out of all its weaknesses only Flying types are likely going to make physical contact, and Slugma's ability is dumb too, and no mention of Alolan Magcargo?. "Alolan Quillfish" is a fan idea that's been circulating around for years now, (much like Coconut!Shuckle), I doubt they're going to implement such a widespread fan idea into the game.

EDIT: sorry! Not trying to be negative, I just like trying to debunk leaks.

[/b][/spoiler]

Had a look at the video and all those ideas for new Pokemon forms sound terrible. Giving two Alolan Pokemon new forms with dark type seems overkill as we got three dark Alolan forms last time. Ice type Slugma seems underwhelming too.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 30th, 2017 9:46 PM

We'll know in a week if those 4Chan rumors are real or not.

Famon August 5th, 2017 12:19 AM

Okay, it seem CoroCoro has leak this


Hikamaru August 5th, 2017 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9723485)
Okay, it seem CoroCoro has leak this


Your link is broken. I shall share the pic Serebii ripped from the cover below.

http://www.serebii.net/corocoro917.jpg

It appears to be red, though lighter shade than the Midnight Form. Its eyes also seem to be green.

Rengoku August 5th, 2017 1:08 AM

Can't wait for the new form(s) of Lycanroc.
Remember that someone leaked they have 4 forms before Sun & Moon were released? Would be true afterall, I guess?

Lycanroc-line is easily one of my most favourite line in Pokemon now, I am highly anticipating new things!

Alexander18 August 5th, 2017 1:40 AM

Looks like the chance of an alternate form of Lycanroc has increased. I wait for further confirmation to be absolutely sure.

janejane6178 August 5th, 2017 1:52 AM

How can u even see something in this pic?.. Its so un clear

Hikamaru August 5th, 2017 1:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janejane6178 (Post 9723598)
How can u even see something in this pic?.. Its so un clear

Remember it was a small fragment of the cover. No other scans have shown at this point.

pkmin3033 August 5th, 2017 5:13 AM

If that indiscriminate blur IS a new Lycanroc, I would expect another one...it looks like a Midnight-form recolour of the Midday-form. So perhaps the reverse would exist as well?

Hikamaru August 5th, 2017 5:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9723724)
If that indiscriminate blur IS a new Lycanroc, I would expect another one...it looks like a Midnight-form recolour of the Midday-form. So perhaps the reverse would exist as well?

The red on this Lycanroc is a lighter shade than Midnight Form's dark red. Also, the eyes are green which is different from the existing forms having blue and red eyes for Midday and Midnight respectively.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 5th, 2017 7:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9723743)
The red on this Lycanroc is a lighter shade than Midnight Form's dark red. Also, the eyes are green which is different from the existing forms having blue and red eyes for Midday and Midnight respectively.

Yeah, it is lighter and has green eyes :). The green eyes were the first thing I noticed. It follows their RGB theme for trio coloring :). Which is sometimes RBY.

The rumors only mentioned a third form of Lycanrock, but if there were a fourth one, I'll like it to have yellow eyes xD

Iceshadow3317 August 5th, 2017 7:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9723850)
Yeah, it is lighter and has green eyes :). The green eyes were the first thing I noticed. It follows their RGB theme for trio coloring :). Which is sometimes RBY.

The rumors only mentioned a third form of Lycanrock, but if there were a fourth one, I'll like it to have yellow eyes xD

Actually:

Spoiler:
Right before they started to glow Green, Ash's Rockruff's eyes were also glowing yellow.


Pokénchi is also, with Shigeru Ohmori, supposed to be having the first new tomorrow, which would support the rumor that said we would be getting a trailer on the 6th of August.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladion (Post 9723555)
Can't wait for the new form(s) of Lycanroc.
Remember that someone leaked they have 4 forms before Sun & Moon were released? Would be true afterall, I guess?

Lycanroc-line is easily one of my most favourite line in Pokemon now, I am highly anticipating new things!

I believe, as well as a few others, that some of the leaks were indeed for USUM instead of SM. Our main leaker, the Chinese Riddler, was right on almost all aspects, but a part of his leaks didn't come out. If I recall, he even said that he may have been looking at an earlier version.

I am not saying we will get everything he was missing, but it may be something to look at. Perhaps instead of the Kanto Pokemon, they changed them to Johto pokemon like some leaks are saying now.


I for one am all for the possibility of Ice Typed Slugma and Macargo! I love Ice types!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 5th, 2017 7:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9723862)
Actually:

Spoiler:
Right before they started to glow Green, Ash's Rockruff's eyes were also glowing yellow.


Pokénchi is also, with Shigeru Ohmori, supposed to be having the first new tomorrow, which would support the rumor that said we would be getting a trailer on the 6th of August.

Yup it sure does :).

I want that rumor to be true xD

Alexander18 August 5th, 2017 12:21 PM

I would not believe in that Alolan Slugma and others leak. It seems to fake in my opinion. The 6th probably focus on Lycanroc or a repeat of the trailer we saw in Direct.

EC August 5th, 2017 2:10 PM

It would be great if Lillie is the rival in these games. And I mean actual rival. Not whatever Hau was. She doesn't have to be mean like Silver, just a strong battler.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 5th, 2017 2:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilChameleon (Post 9724190)
It would be great if Lillie is the rival in these games. And I mean actual rival. Not whatever Hau was. She doesn't have to be mean like Silver, just a strong battler.

If would be cool. Since the rumor says that Gladion will have Nebby, then she'll likely get Type: Null :3.


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