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Leak and rumor discussion.
Since Pokemon sun and Moon was leaked so easily So I decide to create a Leak and Rumor threat.
Lets start with this https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ExyonWZ.png https://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/gSvxAIu.jpg Alternate Universe Happy Gladion ? Furthermore , CoroCoro will leak soon with an astonishing News about Marshadow. Does anyone think that it might have something to do with Pokemon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon ? |
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As for Marshadow. It might just be related to it's Z-move. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did have another forme. The 'cute' legendary released post original pair have gotten a form since Shaymin (others include Keldeo, Diancie, and Hoopa). |
I heard the screenshot was confirmed as fake.. was the concept art debunked as well? Not fully in the loop.
Disappointing, too. Thats a sick outfit haha |
That Gladion pic was confirmed fake, but the Confidential stamp on the concept art is more debatable since it was similar to the one on the leaked concept art of Decidueye, Incineroar and Primarina which leaked this time last year.
Anyways, not really expecting CoroCoro's next issue to show much relating to US/UM but if they do show a lot I'll definitely take it. |
Apparently , There is this rumor about Lycanroc third form in serebiiform. Well, The trailer does hints a signature Z-move for Lycanroc. |
If Lycanroc does get a third form, I wonder what it's going to be. They already have night and day, would it be like evening or something?
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As intriguing as these theories regarding a third new form for Lycanroc are concerned, I feel that it shouldn't happen because both Midday and Midnight Forms are simple designs but they work. Another form would just look way too overdesigned for a simple-looking popular Pokemon.
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I would think a third Lycanroc would be far more likely if we were dealing with a single game, but given that we have two, it doesn't make much sense. The Lycanroc in the trailer was clearly the Midday form, so I'd say that rules that possibility out.
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It seem Game-freak teasing a mystery plushie from Ultra Sun and Ultra moon
https://twitter.com/Pokeshopper/status/886391232720719875 |
First of, leaks are real pokemon news that got released early. Rumors are things that may or may not be true.
None of those leaks people are seeing are leaks. That are rumors. Most of them are fake. I don't believe in any of them. |
The problem with a lot of this data lies in its interpretation. Some data has been leaked - we know there is something that is linked to Lycanroc that wasn't included in SM, and we know SM includes unused walking/running animations, for example - but speculation surrounding that data is just rumour. It's a very clear, but irritating line. Rumours are often based on leaks, which lends them some form of substance...but not much.
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With that said, I'm almost positive that art is real. That means what Masuda had said about it being an alternate reality is true and I'm very excited. Although, this would have been a pleasant surprise upon playing the game, so going forward I think I'm going to avoid any Pokemon news until the release of the games. |
In regards to the rumor of Lycanroc getting a third form, we have a placeholder for one when SM got datamined, so it's not like the rumor is anything new.
Also, that Gladion leak is already confirmed fake. |
In that Gladion leak I can't believe nobody's noticed how small they made Silvally. That to me was a dead giveaway.
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That Gladion leak is definitely fake. The fact that it's on the freaking Switch should be a dead giveaway.
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I agree that the screenshot is fake, but the concept art is too uncanny to past art leaks that I don't think the art should be automatically dismissed as fake.
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I'm going to continue quietly praying it is fake, because that is quite possibly the worst costume design I've seen from a Pokemon NPC in years; it's positively horrific.
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Bring on those Chinese leaks (again) {XD}
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Why would Game Freak give Gladion moon shoes? I'm gonna assume that that is fake.
Its important to note that i was insistent that the final starters from last summer were fake as well. |
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Well, we don't actually know what Pokemon Stars is yet. Wouldn't it be interesting if USUM were set in an alternate universe to SM as some people theorise, and Pokemon Stars on the Switch was the sequel that brought the two titles together? If that was the case, the leak could very well be a real (hopefully very early) prototype, just not related to USUM.
I realise that's highly unlikely, especially if this is confirmed fake. But it's just a thought. |
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@Meyneth I like that idea about Pokemon Stars. I'm confused though, is SUM supposed to be what the Pokemon Stars leak/rumor turned out to be, or are they separate? |
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ah, it seems that there are already a thread about leaks here. oh well, time to put my two cents in i guess.
i mainly want to spread some info about the gladion "leak", considering that some people are still talking about it. 1.) The art is fake. It was made by a person named EMDY on facebook with no intent to troll or trick anyone into believing it was real. His art was actually based on the screenshot leak that came before it. He even talked about it on his Facebook and Youtube (both links are right here!) and stated that it wasn't real. 2.) As for the screenshot... yeah, we can all agree thats fake too. I mean, come on, it's on the switch! so yeah, i know that some of its already been said, but i just wanted to get some information out there because 1. people still think the art is real 2. i was surprised info about the art wasn't said sooner i̶ ̶g̶u̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶w̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶l̶a̶z̶y̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶e̶a̶r̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶l̶o̶l̶ but yeah, thats all i got to say, i hope you all have a nice day! oh and sorry for crushing some people's hopes about the art being real not really tho |
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That's remind me, There were some chinese leak that didn't came true in S/M.
Maybe, They will come true in USUM--- > a Snowman like mentioned in the Chinese rumor and it is an Ice/Ghost 2 stage >There is a 2 stage cat Pokemon that is Normal when captures but will inherit the fathers primary type as its 2nd type when hatched and the color/pattern varies by type Quote:
http://boards.4chan.org/vp/thread/33027660/ultra-sun-and-ultra-moon-chinese-leak The first leak -- >29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic >you can chose between trials and gyms >you can change pokeball of your starter >there's a shop where you can create customized pokeball for your starter >move tutors including new ones, more tm's >cross will be new champion >dragon trainer will be elite 4 >hex maniac story from XY will continue in surprising way >sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens >sycamore will hint us return to kalos [which will happen during next gen] >alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon] >the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game] >solgaleo and lunala will be another kyurem fusions >guzma will have a surprising role in the game >battle tree is now more popular and resembles PWT >pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded It felt possible until he mention Cross being the champion and Alola starter having both Megevolution and signature Ultra-Zmove, |
I personally don't believe all that. We likely won't get any new Pokemon until the next generation, plus Cross is a movie original character meaning he likely won't appear in the games since that's what tends to happen for anime original characters in general.
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Yeah. Any leak that says we have entirely new pokemon in the current gen is automatically fake. It is just too obvious.
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I don't remember where I saw it, but I'm pretty sure the Gladion artwork is fake, as well as the screenshot. I remember clicking something which took me to a facebook page, where someone claimed to be the creator of the Gladion art. They could be lying since I don't remember how I found it, but I 100% remember it.
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Looks like we got news dropping soon:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/888314210291257344 |
I feel like that could just be the new Solgaleo/Lunala designs and Marshadow to be honest...
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Are those figures not just the other three Tapus?
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>alola starters will receive mega stones and new ultra Z movies [same for other special pokemon]
>2 new ultra beasts >29 new pokemon, of which 3 will be legendary/mythic >the story focus more at ultra beast's and you will have to fight them during the game to stop necrozma [you cannot catch them until post game] >pokemon amie/refresh is now even more advanced, and your interaction with the pokemon has been expanded >sycamore will give us mystery egg with random shiny starter from past gens No way. NO WAY. This is all too good to be true. There's no way. And if it is, then wow. They really outdid themselves this time. |
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Well, there are only a few days of July left...we could get something drop right at the end of the month, but obviously with each day that passes it seems less and less likely.
I somehow doubt three mysterious figures are anything to get excited over, though... |
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I wouldn't call A-Greninja as mega evolution.
leaks so far seemed fake but I guess that's expected? Once we have a trailer drop, I think leaks/rumors will spread like wildfire again. |
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Necrozma-Sun, Necrozma-Moon
The thing I believe in the previous post is how the UBs will take more spotlight. That I can completely get behind with. |
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I made it my belief to not believe in any leaks until true info is shown on official sites.
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Predictions for USUM
After reviewing several sources, such as the Japanese Pokémon website and the teaser trailer in the June 6 Nintendo Direct, these are the predictions I've formulated. Check out some YouTube videos exploring the Google Translated website for more info. A lot of this stuff may seem outlandish, but hear me out and let me know your thoughts. What are your personal predictions for USUM? Hopes?
- Time traveling through Ultra Wormholes to an ancient civilization of Alola where Nihilego attacked humans, as pictured in the teasers on the Pokémon Japanese website. How is this kind of travel possible? An Ultra Wormhole sucked in Professor Mohn and spat him out at what is now Poké Pelago. Perhaps time travel could be possible with Ultra Wormholes acting as a 4-D timeline to walk through. - How could this ancient civilization be Alola from the past? Well, Sun and Moon take place in Alola, so it would only make sense to stay there. Also, it is important to note that Alola is unlike any other previous Pokémon regions. Alola has its own customs and traditions. They do not conform to the Pokémon Gyms and League style; they have trials and kahunas. So, in honoring the tradition of the Island Trial System, the Alolan people connect with their ancient people/civilization, much like Hawaiians do (since obviously Alola is based off of Hawaii). Plus, Ultra Beasts debuted in Alola. So perhaps Alola has been attacked multiple times in the past, thus summoning a need for Island guardian Pokémon like Tapu Koko, Tapu Fini, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu. - With the debate about mythical Pokémon across all generations on the Japanese Pokémon website, could Alola become a hub for getting to the bottom of these strange occurences? Famous trainers from other generations have already appeared in game, like Red, Blue, and Cynthia, so this wouldn't be surprising if other popular characters drop in to help. - Is the Hex Girl's occult group going to be a major group in the games? - Will the Aether Foundation be led by Gladion? Would he utilize the Foundation to find his father through further researching Ultra Wormholes? Will he seek the help of the occult group if he does? - The conversation between the Hex Girl and Scientists make the Scientists seem like the bad guys in that they are so adamant about their positions to the point that it comes across as mean. Could scientists antagonists in this game? - How do the Necrozma forms of Solgaleo and Lunala tie into this new information? - Does Guzma have his own gym now? Do his ex-grunts act as trainers to battle in his Gym? - Team Skull disbanded at the end of Sun and Moon. I don't think they'd come back together. Unless Guzma doesn't have a Gym, and he decides to band them back together for a good purpose. But I don't know what that would be. - Japanese website says Necrozma is an "Ultra Beast-esque" Pokémon, implying that it is not an Ultra Beast at all. Much the same as when Nintendo or Pokémon tweeted about how the new Solgaleo and Lunala forms resembled the legendaries, but not stating that the new forms are in fact them. The website also comments on how Necrozma looks like it came from an ancient world. Perhaps, if my earlier theory is true, we will travel back in time to the ancient civilization which Necrozma is associated with. Perhaps it is a civilization that is another world entirely, as the entry about Necrozma suggests. Is it a parallel universe of Alola? Or merely the past? Finally, it ends the entry with one question: Will Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon reveal the Pokémon's true identity? So, Necrozma is not actually Necrozma? Or is it alluding to its role in the world? - About supposedly new CoroCoro leaks of USUM: WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THE YOUNG BLONDE GIRL IS LILLIE?! I wouldn't say it is Lillie because the dress is stylized much the same as the dress we know Lusamine wears in Sun and Moon. It's obviously Lusamine as a little girl. The young Lusamine is also holding the Aether Foundation symbol attached to a stick. What is that thing? Could that be a key item in relation to Ultra Beasts, since we know Lusamine already did extensive research into Ultra Wormholes and Beasts? If you look closely, the Aether Foundation symbol actually kind of looks like Necrozma in its simplest form (even look at Necrozma/Solgaleo form's tail!). Could there be a relation? Also, could we travel back in time to meet a younger Lusamine? Could we meet other younger versions of characters like Kukui, Guzma, Hala, and the trial captains/kahunas? What would the purpose of this action be? What could possibly be so important in that point in time? Will we meet the original founder of the Aether Foundation? Or will we witness a young Lusamine form it herself and ask for her aid in research of Ultra Beasts for Gladion in the future? - Z-rings probably get an upgrade or tweak. They're black instead of white now. And as we saw in the original teaser trailer from June 6, we can now turn the stone in our Z-rings to activate some new power. What will it be? - Tiny flaw in artwork of the supposed CoroCoro leak. Male protagonist has a giant backpack, but the female protagonist doesn't have a bag or purse like she did in Sun/Moon. Silly mistake I'm sure...? - The original forms of Solgaleo and Lunala have an eye on their forehead. When they are fused or whatever with Necrozma, the eye is replaced with a 2D colorful triangle. Do they change their type? |
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Pokebeach are speculating over whether there will be a Shiny Silvally (/Type:Null) event distribution. This is due to a TCG product of Shiny Silvally being released on the same date as the game. A Shiny card for Tapu-Koko was released to coincide with his current in-game event, so it's understandable to see their thought process. It could be cool going through the game with Silvally in my team, similar to having Victini early on in Black & White.
I wouldn't believe any leaks at this point given how little information GF has let out. The fact that it's mainly Youtubers circulating the leaked information makes me 100% sceptical because they're all just interested in their revenue. |
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I came across this video, and apparently according to Joe Merrick on Twitter the information mentioned in the video is legit:
https://youtu.be/fYVpDQRbTbQ So it looks like it's very possible we'll be getting USM news sometime around August 10th or a little before even. The SM trailers of each month usually dropped within the first week. |
I doubt it. That video seems like mere speculation. I wouldn't buy into that. I rather see the official sites show news.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/889901085065965570 For those who don't quite get what he's saying, Joe would call BS on it if it was NOT from a reliable source. But in fact that this is from a reliable source. Joe knows his stuff when it comes to leaks, that's not an exaggeration. |
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The anime community has explode after the new episode title "S/M 37 :Rockruff and Guradian deity from ruin of life"
It seem there is a huge rumor about Lycanroc's third form debuting in the that episode. |
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In other news, the Pokemon Switch game is coming out in late 2018 or later, and that according to Nintendo there are not going to be any other core series Pokemon games between UltraSM and Pokemon Switch. So I guess that means no Gen 4 remakes for those of us who were hoping. |
Whilst I highly doubt a reveal would come from the anime now, given its sharp decline in popularity - and they would have saved it for the movie, I would have thought - I have to wonder, if Serebii is giving this credit, if there might not be something to it.
The 26th today, and this is supposed to be a significant day for some reason? Guess we'll see, although I won't hold my breath. |
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The thing about the 26th was that the Daisuki Club had revealed a "Mystery File" today, and it turned out to be a Lunatone distribution or something like that. What happened was the online community took it as upcoming USM news and blew it out of proportion.
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It is the 27th where i am. There is no USUM news. So the 26th was a bust. I never took it seriously in the first place.
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I know this is old news now, but I have a question about these rumors (versions of the same list from two different sites):
http://pokejungle.net/2017/06/12/rumor-ultra-sun-ultra-moon-details/ http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?658343-Rumors-Leaks-Discussion-Thread If these are actually true, I'm wondering about Rainbow specifically. Obviously that name would be a reference to Necrozma's prism, but also--it supposedly has old characters in it? Could this be a rework of Team Plasma? Team Plasma had Sages named after different colors, a boss whose name came from the word "colorless," and both "plasma" and "rainbows" have some connection to splitting things or breaking things apart... it could also explain why Colress is absent from the SM art book even though Grimsley is not. Seriously, why is Colress's new design not present in the art book when Grimsley's is, especially since Grimsely has even less of a role? Also, it's clear that USUM will involve Solgaleo and Lunala fuzing with Necrozma. Team Plasma fused Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, and while Ghetsis is the one who came up with that plan, Colress wouldn't just have gotten rid of all that research, right? |
Colress is unlikely to play a role. I don't really want him to either. I rather see a new character that SM introduce be involved with the legendaries.
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Skip to 5:55 for the new leak because he's just recapping the merchandise leak we've already covered. |
I agree with Alexander18 on wanting new characters rather than returning villains, but I would love for these leaks to be true. They sound so good...too good.
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I'm fine with anything, but I don't want to believe a lot of these.
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I'm immediately skeptical of a massive uncredited info dump like this...especially from boards like that. If it pops up across multiple news sites then I'm more inclined to believe it than not, but...yeah.
I really hope we're not only getting Johto Alolan forms, and I wouldn't have thought GF would want to go down the whole "Let's make a fire-type an ice-type!" route again, so that Slugma thing...ehhhh. |
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I disagree that other regions should get Alola forms too. Kanto alolan forms had typings that weren't as common in the original games like Dragon, Ice and Ghost and typing that did not exist yet like Steel, Dark and Fairy. The Pokemon that were handed new Alolan forms were more of the weaker and less popular ones. And the ones who could benefit from those rare typings and helpful forms would be some Johto pokemon I believe, because they haven't gotten any attention or special treatment and deserve something at least. The Virtual Console release of Gold and Silver is also on the way too. |
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The Ice-type Slugma looks kind of ugly to me, to be honest...
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I think that one thing that might make the Ice-type Slugma fake, at least according to me, is the fact that Slugma is the Lava Pokémon. With the exception of Hoopa, Pokémon that have different forms keep the same Pokédex category, so would it make sense for an Ice-type Slugma to be called the Lava Pokémon. Another bit of information that I also came up with might provide evidence for the speculated third Lycanroc. Rockruff has 3 abilities, Keen Eye, Vital Spirit and Steadfast. When Rockruff evolves into Midday Lycanroc, Vital Spirit is replaced with Sand Rush. When Rockruff evolves into Midnight Lycanroc, Steadfast is replaced with No Guard. I believe that this hypothetical 3rd Lycanroc will have Keen Eye replaced.
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Wait... I think I'm missing where the new Lycanroc speculation is coming from? I wouldn't mind one but I wonder how it would evolve.
For some reason I'm not super hyped about potential leaks. I'm still gonna play USUM, but I don't expect them to be the best games ever. Honestly? I'm expecting a slightly different game as a cash grab. Kind of lost some faith in Nintendo after all the stuff they've been pulling with extra content for purchase and trying to get money; if they're involved, I have my doubts. |
There was coding in SM that might indicate a third Lycanroc form, I believe? Plus people are getting unusually hyped about an upcoming anime episode that focuses around Lycanroc or something.
It'd be nice if we DID get a trailer early August as there is some speculating, though. I doubt it'll have the same content - what was described is far too much, and has varying degrees of believability - but we should be due something relatively soon. |
I don't buy the whole third form of lycanroc. We already got two forms that it can use for USUM. I don't see how it would become the third form when it already taken the day and night method.
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I'd be more inclined to believe in the third form rumours if there was only one game. But we have two, and Lycanroc's forms were previously version exclusive...doesn't make much sense to do away with that.
Not sure what it would look like, either. There are plenty of names they could give it, but it seems a tad inconsistent and weird, coding or no coding. At least for these games. There is every possibility it could get another form in a future instalment. |
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I do like the idea of Alolan Snubbul and Slugma, though the ability for Granbull seems dumb - out of all its weaknesses only Flying types are likely going to make physical contact, and Slugma's ability is dumb too, and no mention of Alolan Magcargo?. "Alolan Quillfish" is a fan idea that's been circulating around for years now, (much like Coconut!Shuckle), I doubt they're going to implement such a widespread fan idea into the game. EDIT: sorry! Not trying to be negative, I just like trying to debunk leaks. |
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I wouldn't believe in a male-only Salandit evo unless I saw it anyway; there are plenty of Pokemon that have gender-specific forms, and it wouldn't be the first time a Pokemon would only evolve if a specific gender. It'd be a weird thing to introduce in the middle of the generation.
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Yeah. There is not going to be a male evolution of salandit or male form of salazzle. Salazzle is made to be female only just like Vespiquen.
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Salazzle is based on a whiptail lizard, some of which are female-only species. I think according to Bulbapedia it's in particular based on a New Mexico whiptail which I recall are only female. That explains why only female Salandit evolve and likely why I can't see a male counterpart happening until a new generation happens.
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Had a look at the video and all those ideas for new Pokemon forms sound terrible. Giving two Alolan Pokemon new forms with dark type seems overkill as we got three dark Alolan forms last time. Ice type Slugma seems underwhelming too. |
We'll know in a week if those 4Chan rumors are real or not.
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Okay, it seem CoroCoro has leak this
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http://www.serebii.net/corocoro917.jpg It appears to be red, though lighter shade than the Midnight Form. Its eyes also seem to be green. |
Can't wait for the new form(s) of Lycanroc.
Remember that someone leaked they have 4 forms before Sun & Moon were released? Would be true afterall, I guess? Lycanroc-line is easily one of my most favourite line in Pokemon now, I am highly anticipating new things! |
Looks like the chance of an alternate form of Lycanroc has increased. I wait for further confirmation to be absolutely sure.
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How can u even see something in this pic?.. Its so un clear
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If that indiscriminate blur IS a new Lycanroc, I would expect another one...it looks like a Midnight-form recolour of the Midday-form. So perhaps the reverse would exist as well?
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The rumors only mentioned a third form of Lycanrock, but if there were a fourth one, I'll like it to have yellow eyes xD |
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I am not saying we will get everything he was missing, but it may be something to look at. Perhaps instead of the Kanto Pokemon, they changed them to Johto pokemon like some leaks are saying now. I for one am all for the possibility of Ice Typed Slugma and Macargo! I love Ice types! |
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I want that rumor to be true xD |
I would not believe in that Alolan Slugma and others leak. It seems to fake in my opinion. The 6th probably focus on Lycanroc or a repeat of the trailer we saw in Direct.
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It would be great if Lillie is the rival in these games. And I mean actual rival. Not whatever Hau was. She doesn't have to be mean like Silver, just a strong battler.
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