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Pokemon League Speculation
Do you think they will retain the same set of characters? What role will Kukui play?
I personally think Kahili will get the axe. Let's see more of her outside of the "oh another grand trial completionist who became E4 yeah" and more of who she is and everything. I really thought she is going to play a much bigger part since she was hinted at the demo. |
I feel Kahili was an unnecessary inclusion as well, and you also have to notice she was a former Island Challenge Champion who only got interest to return to Alola because of the league being established.
If there's any member of the current Elite Four who I think could be dropped, I'd say it be her since we never really see her much outside of the league unlike Hala, Olivia and Acerola who we all met prior to them being in the Elite Four. And hey, the Indigo League did change Elite Four lineup between R/B/Y and G/S/C so it wouldn't hurt to try that formula again. |
I have a weird feeling that, if they DO include Lillie in this game, she'll be the Champion. Don't ask me why, it was just something that popped into my head. I also feel like Hau will replace his grandfather if he's in the games.
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If it's a sequel, I would agree with this. If it's an alternate universe... maybe!
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But unfortunately Gf already said it's an alternative version, although I really wanted itto be a sequal
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I'm really thinking that Gyms will have been constructed on these sites meaning USM will have a fully functioning Pokémon League.
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Elite Four could stay the same, but it's likely that one or two of the members will be swapped out in place of new ones. As for the Gym Leaders, I'm hoping we get a mix of older and new characters, perhaps from the Battle Tree or ones we're already familiar with from Sun & Moon. Mina having a Fairy-type Gym for example would be awesome. |
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Maybe Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will be alternate versions (aka third versions) of SM but whose events take place slightly after for whatever reason. Like how Emerald took place after Steven left opposed to RS which was before. In that case, they can do the gym thing (with Kukui's league being finished before the retold and changed events that happened in SM). If so then I see Hapu being our champion. She had all the attributes of a typical one too! We see her multiple times throughout our journey in SM. Not to mention that she is the final Kahuna and even challenges the league post game. |
I did see Joe's post with those pics of the "empty slots" which were brought up in a video by a YouTuber named Twintendo. Some of them look out-of-place but he did still bring up other possible empty areas to use, so I do recommend seeing the video to get the point of the theory.
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Some of my relevant thoughts from the "Trials vs. Gym" thread (I'm currently on a mobile interface, so some quotes from other users over there didn't transfer properly):
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I think that Trial Captains and Island Kahunas will be retained and rearranged from SM to US/UM. However, I do like everyone's characterization from SM (especially Mallow's <3), although Hau seems a bit too goody-goody from what I've seen of him. But like others have said, Hau somehow surpassing his grandfather Hala (and achieving his goal) would be neat (in spite of the alternate story thing). It really irks me that the actual Alola Elite 4 re-uses 2 Island Kahunas and 1 Trial Captain (even if Kukui is scrounging around trying to form a "League"..the island challenge trial hosts make good League members as they are) - and why in the world are Island Kahuna Nanu and/or Island Kahuna Hapu getting shafted of an Elite 4 spot thanks to Trial Captain Acerola, when Nanu and Hapu are clearly stronger than Acerola? It makes no sense at all.. I feel like Kahili is a great character (although maybe too reminiscent of Winona), but her position should be either: -altered to the 5th Island Kahuna of Alola's artificial island, -retained as an Elite 4 member, provided that the 3 other "Elite 4" members are replaced with new people (otherwise, if the "Elite 4" is just going to repeat people and result in redundant fights, you might as well excise the Elite 4, thus leaving the 4 Island Kahunas as Elite 4 analogues) -act as proto-Champion/Champion in place of Kukui (my least preferred option, since I like Kukui as Champion) -converted to Kahili being the true facility head for the Battle Tree (so that someone can logically run the place when Red and Blue end their vacation in Alola and go back home to Kanto). Nevertheless, Kahili's golf course thing needs to be expanded/implemented properly (if she even is still associated with it in US/UM). Quote:
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Guzma being a Bug-type Trial Captain or Island Kahuna (or even Elite 4) would be interesting, as would Ryuki being a Dragon-type Alola League member.. I'm fond of Mallow representing the Grass type.. If still Champion/proto-Champion, Kukui should retain his type medley. |
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Kahili as the battle tree head is interesting, to say the least. She's qualified for the job and I would like to see more of her. |
Home is correct regarding Nanu. He declined the offer so that's why Acerola was there instead.
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This time around, can we get a proper Victory Road, please? I know Vast Poni Canyon was kind of like a Victory Road, but it just wasn't the same.
I want a real Victory Road. One with trainers who have claimed to have spent their entire lives training for this yet only have four Pokémon, one with a good ol' rival battle at the end, and, most importantly, one that's actually before the League. |
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but this is also a real talk. |
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Also, I was going to say that Alola's "Pokémon League headquarters location" should have an actual in-game name like Indigo Plateau or Ever Grande City (the anime tends to provide suitable names when needed, too), although I suppose that "Mount Lanakila Summit/Peak" suffices for now, I guess.. |
Well, Acerola was the island captain available to sub for Nanu. Sophocles was also a likewise new captain so he couldn't leave his post.
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I know it won't happen, but I think it'd be quite interesting if the Kahunas/E4 (I'll assume they'll be one and the same again) actually used the Tapus in their party, at least the first time around.
I wonder if the final trainer you battle will rotate again, too. If Alola has an established Pokemon League this time around (and if it does I'm putting my money on Lillie or possibly Gladion being the Champion) I suppose the Champion will be fixed, but that was a somewhat charming feature of S/M that at least provided a little variety, even if the selection of challengers wasn't ideal. |
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I have two lineups, depending on what USUM will ultimately end up being.
If USUM ends out being a sequel, and replaces trials with gyms: I've picked out gym leaders mostly based on where they lived, and how likely they can become gym leaders. Melemele Island: 1. Ilima - Hau'oli City (pretty much the only choice, Hau could come close second) Akala Island: 2. Kahili - Heahea City (Hano Grand Resort is close to Heahea, and she is the owner's daughter) 3. Kiawe - Royal Avenue (Wela Volcano Park, and Paniola Town, where he lives is near to Royal Avenue) 4. Lana - Konikoni City (I feel like Lana is more sensible to be a gym leader because it's a port town) Ula'ula Island 5. Plumeria - Malie City (I'm not sure on this one, idk who to put here tbh, maybe Nanu? But I think since Plumeria has reformed as well, she would fit well as gym leader) 6. Molayne - Hokulani Observatory - (I feel Sophocles would be more sidelined and focus more on Festival Plaza or something) 7. Guzma - Po Town/Route 15 (I imagine Po Town to be reformed and Guzma reforms as well, however Route 15 is a good place because there's also that empty space) Poni Island 8. Hapu - Seafolk Village (another obvious one) Elite Four Mallow - I think of her as the second strongest in Akala after Olivia so :x Olivia Acerola Hau - I think Hau would become E4 in USUM tbh, taking up the place old Hala once took. Champion - The player in Sun and Moon - I don't think anyone has beaten them and it would be an interesting twist to fight yourself imo. However if it's an alternate universe, I feel like trials would be there instead of gyms, in which case: Melemele Island: Captain Hau Kahuna Hapu Akala Island: Captain Lana Captain Kiawe Captain Kahili Kahuna Acerola Ula'ula Island: Captain Molayne Captain Guzma Kahuna Sophocles Poni Island: Captain Plumeria Captain Faba Kahuna Olivia Hear me out, I think that with it being an alternate universe, a lot of things we knew would probably be vastly different, especially where are the people located, and what are they doing. That's just me though, but I stand by with my first lineup haha |
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I'd rather have new younger characters step in those roles instead. Sophocles becoming Kahuna would be awesome though. |
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Thanks to both of you for clarifying! Alola's lore seems interesting but unwieldy.. Yeesh, the mere act of forming/having an Alolan Elite 4 seems like more trouble than it's worth, given all of these restrictions and the Tapus' perceived interference (Alolan people may not see them as interfering, but I sure do.. @[email protected]) And Nanu must be miserable.. I would prefer Alola's Elite 4 to be 4 not-seen-before Pokémon Trainers (and the proto-Champion/Champion being someone that the player has interacted with before, as is tradition - although as a side-note, it would be a neat twist for a region to have a Champion that the player hasn't interacted with before, with an Elite 4 that the player has interacted with before but not in League-battle capacities). However, that Elite 4 implementation may or not clash with the concept of Alola's League being a nascent one. In any case, I don't know why Kukui even bothered to make a separate "Elite 4"; just add 1 more Trial Captain (maybe Ryuki or Kahili or some new Ice-type user. Alternatively, just keep 7 Trial Captains and plop Ryuki/Kahili as a Battle Tree facility head) and you have a group of Trainers that can serve double-duty as League heads - 8 Trial Captains as 8 Gym Leaders, and 4 Island Kahunas as the Elite 4. You also have a unique interesting League arrangement for variety (For each of the 4 islands: 2 Gym Leaders, then 1 Elite-4 member. You might have to fudge around with levels and level scaling though - fighting someone like Sidney when you've just beaten Roxanne and Brawly would be a bit too rough..). Consequently, you match the typical number of non-Champion League heads: 12. Aside from the aforementioned leveling/scaling issue(s), though, the only other downside that I can see is that Mount Lanakila's summit would be a bit emptier if it only housed the proto-Champion/Champion... As an aside, I find it interesting that the total number of Alola's unique Trial Captains, Island Kahunas, Elite 4 (only counting Kahili since the other 3 Elite-4 members already have active island-challenge roles) and Professor Kukui the proto-Champion, 13 altogether, matches the 13 League members typically seen in other regions (8 Gym Leaders, 4 Elite-4 members, and 1 Champion. Also, it kind of bothers me that the amount of Trial Captains isn't evenly spread across the 4 islands of Alola.. Like Game Freak, couldn't you have made just 1 more Trial Captain to have a "2 Trial Captains and 1 Island Kahuna per island" layout..? :/. This is like the one region where we actually need the number of Trial Captains/"Gym Leaders" to be 8.. XD. The other regions could've sufficed with 7 Gym Leaders (although I'd hate to just remove a Gym Leader like that since I pretty much like all of them - then again, Kalos Gym Leader Valerie's design reminds me way too much of Hoenn Frontier Brain (Battle Pike Queen) Lucy's design, which was first, so... :x) Quote:
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