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pkmin3033 July 5th, 2017 8:22 AM

Following Pokemon
 
Here's a thing I'm surprised nobody has brought up yet. Around December last year, dataminers uncovered unused walking and running animations for Pokemon in SM. These were, obviously, never incorporated into the final game. However, the data is there. So. Do you think following Pokemon will be a thing in USUM? Is this something you would like to see returning? Or do you think it more likely that this will remain a feature exclusive to Johto...or maybe be incorporated into the Switch titles, rather than USUM?

blue July 5th, 2017 8:31 AM

I'd love for this feature to return, I just don't see it happening in USM. I feel like they're saving a feature like this for the Switch since it has a lot more capability to support such a feature and it can be done in a much more viable way. The 3DS (particularly the older models) is pushed as it is, so adding a feature like Following Pokémon would put even more strain on the console.

tl;dr while it would be really cool, I think they'll pass on USM and just wait for the Switch.

clbgolden July 5th, 2017 9:11 AM

I think it'll happen. The animations are already there, and it seems that there will be Pokémon moving around in the overworld anyways (like that Wingull).

I don't really care if it's implemented or not, though. It's a nice feature, but not that big a deal IMO.

pkmin3033 July 5th, 2017 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9697154)
I think it'll happen. The animations are already there, and it seems that there will be Pokémon moving around in the overworld anyways (like that Wingull).

Overworld Pokemon have been a thing for a verrry long time now, though. I'm not sure that's necessarily indicative of it being there or not as a feature.

clbgolden July 5th, 2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9697186)
Overworld Pokemon have been a thing for a verrry long time now, though. I'm not sure that's necessarily indicative of it being there or not as a feature.

True, but the Wingull in the recent trailer wasn't just standing and walking, it was flying around.

Alexander18 July 5th, 2017 11:33 AM

No thanks. This feature was annoying and is mainly a HGSS thing. Johto remakes can keep that feature.

pkmin3033 July 5th, 2017 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9697188)
True, but the Wingull in the recent trailer wasn't just standing and walking, it was flying around.

I'm fairly sure that's been a thing in past titles too...it's hard to say without a longer in-game trailer.

I think the New 3DS would be more than capable of handling this, but I shudder to imagine what it'd be like on the older models, considering how badly SM ran on those without those animations. It'd be nice to think that the N2DSXL's imminent release would mean that they're going to start making more games that take advantage of the upgraded handheld's increased capabilities, but it doesn't seem very likely...although I hope and pray that they build up the Switch game from scratch and don't just lazily cutpaste the current visuals from the 3DS titles. We all know the Switch is capable of substantially more than that, and we don't need trial run games on that the way XY were trial runs for SM.

Having it in there is weird, but I think there is more to suggest it won't be included than not.

Radiating July 5th, 2017 9:44 PM

I'd really like for this feature to return. Having walking Pokemon made HGSS feel more...realistic, I'd like to see that in another Pokemon game. I doubt it'll happen for USUM, as the 3DS is beginning to show its age hardware wise. We might see them return for a switch game.

Alexander18 July 6th, 2017 12:25 AM

Hopefully none of the switch games brings this feature back. It is pointless and useless. Gets old very quickly.

L'Belle July 6th, 2017 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9697661)
Hopefully none of the switch games brings this feature back. It is pointless and useless. Gets old very quickly.

How?

shadowmoon522 July 6th, 2017 8:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 7960323)
i think one of the guys at game freak said there was never gonna be a walking pokemon feature like in yellow & hg/ss ever again

i can't find exactly where i saw it at anymore thx to threads like this one + how old it was.
also might have been one of those interviews done on the wii.
its such a pain trying to find something like that from 7 years ago that hardly anyone bothered to save...

Esper July 6th, 2017 9:32 AM

The following feature can make up for a lot of other lackluster features and I hope it can happen again in some game. It would feel a little strange for sequel games to have this when the previous versions didn't. I know HGSS did and GS didn't, but there was a long gap between those games. That said, I think it would help them boost sales for USUM because it wouldn't just be the same games with a few small changes.

pkmin3033 July 6th, 2017 9:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowmoon522 (Post 9697939)
i can't find exactly where i saw it at anymore thx to threads like this one + how old it was.
also might have been one of those interviews done on the wii.
its such a pain trying to find something like that from 7 years ago that hardly anyone bothered to save...

Do you think they would hold to that after all this time, though? I doubt Nintendo had thought of the New 3DS - or at least the Switch - back then. Developers are changing their minds all the time...I remember Square Enix swearing blind there would never be a remake of FFVII, for example. Time and technology - and sometimes demand, although I'm not sure if that would be a factor here - changes minds.

Lunar July 6th, 2017 10:01 AM

I would love for this feature to return but I don't really see it happening in USM unfortunately. I honestly believe we'll get it next generation though, probably on the Switch seeing as it'll have extra power to support the animations on the 3D engine. It's clear Game Freak haven't forgotten about it though, cause we saw there was similar animations in B2W2., so there's still hope.

pixelani July 6th, 2017 10:08 AM

I feel like the fact that most or all of the necessary animations are there is enough for me to think they're going to include the feature. In fact, it's enough for me to conclude that they also fully intended to use it in Sun and Moon.

There's no need to worry about whether the 3DS can handle it, as far as I'm concerned; rather than being a straight port of Sun and Moon with a couple new features here and there, there will probably be further improvements to the code and to how the games run on the 3DS; optimizations. I also don't think that this would have been a particularly draining feature for the New 3DS in the first place, and probably not the old 3DS either.

It's a well-liked aspect of Yellow and HGSS, as well as its minor cameo in Sinnoh with Amity Square; it also caused quite a bit of commotion on social media when it was discovered that some of the functionality exists in SM. If the games can handle it, and I think they can, then I expect it to be available at least optionally, and I think it's going to be present.

-Nonsense- July 6th, 2017 10:42 AM

If it does come back at all in Us/Um or later I think the option to turn it off might be nice so you can switch between having them follow you or not (I loved the feature but sometimes I wanted to travel without it in HgSs).

shadowmoon522 July 6th, 2017 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9697987)
Do you think they would hold to that after all this time, though? I doubt Nintendo had thought of the New 3DS - or at least the Switch - back then. Developers are changing their minds all the time...I remember Square Enix swearing blind there would never be a remake of FFVII, for example. Time and technology - and sometimes demand, although I'm not sure if that would be a factor here - changes minds.

hope for the best, prepare for the worst

riddlemeree July 6th, 2017 11:30 AM

They definitely intended to include it in S/M, but it was most likely scrapped due to the hardware limitations (most specifically the older models of 3DS, the lag was a bit evident there despite everything). I don't see why it will be any different this time, so I doubt it's inclusion. However, if it is still in there despite everything, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

But as GnX1 mentioned, I'd love it if they included an option to not have Pokemon follow you too. Or a quicker way to toggle what Pokemon to follow you instead of just the front of your party.

EC July 6th, 2017 11:36 AM

I know those animations leaked, but I'm still struggling to see how they could make this look good now that your movement isn't restricted to only four directions.

Alexander18 July 6th, 2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by L'Belle (Post 9697736)
How?

What is so great about the pokemon following you? It gets annoying after a while and you can't return them to the pokeball. No rewards either. Feature is useless as customization.

L'Belle July 6th, 2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9698079)
What is so great about the pokemon following you? It gets annoying after a while and you can't return them to the pokeball. No rewards either. Feature is useless as customization.

The pokémon actually give you stuff, and the pokémon reacted differently to each mayor storypoint, making it very realistic.

Alexander18 July 6th, 2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by L'Belle (Post 9698085)
The pokémon actually give you stuff, and the pokémon reacted differently to each mayor storypoint, making it very realistic.

The stuff they give you is actually pretty useless. Reactions to story points does not mean much to me.

pixelani July 6th, 2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9698079)
What is so great about the pokemon following you? It gets annoying after a while and you can't return them to the pokeball. No rewards either. Feature is useless as customization.

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9698088)
The stuff they give you is actually pretty useless. Reactions to story points does not mean much to me.

Well, first I'll note that being pointless or useless to you doesn't equate to it being the same for other players (and I'm sure that's even more true of other features like customization), but second I'll note that in HGSS, the Shiny Leaves they pick up can rank up your Trainer Card, something that quite a few people like to do.

Partner Pokemon might not be a universally loved mechanic, but it's liked widely enough that it wouldn't be a surprising addition to the next games.

Alexander18 July 6th, 2017 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pixelani (Post 9698095)
Well, first I'll note that being pointless or useless to you doesn't equate to it being the same for other players (and I'm sure that's even more true of other features like customization), but second I'll note that in HGSS, the Shiny Leaves they pick up can rank up your Trainer Card, something that quite a few people like to do.

Partner Pokemon might not be a universally loved mechanic, but it's liked widely enough that it wouldn't be a surprising addition to the next games.

I actually don't want it to appear again and i don't think it will. Upgrading your trainer card like that in HGSS made the achievement too easy.

pkmin3033 July 7th, 2017 2:01 AM

The option to turn it off/on if it's included would be ideal - I shudder to imagine what it would be like on older 3DS models, given how badly SM ran on them. I mean, it COULD probably handle it, but I can practically hear the screams of fury from all the people that get caught up in framerates etc. already...and they already had plenty to scream about with SM as it was.

It'd be nice if it was more than just an aesthetic, too - finding stuff in an on-screen pickup mechanic, something like the gold leaves again (maybe discarded stickers/stamps so you could decorate your passport?) etc. They could do a lot with it.

...also sizes. Oh god, think of what they could do with sizes. Although I think this more than anything else is what would keep the feature out of the games - can you imagine having a Steelix follow you around...or a Wailord? The game would probably crash...and if they're tiny or only come in 1/2 sizes, it's no fun. It was fine in HGSS because they were sprites, but with this move to ugly models has come size comparisons on-screen. So they'd need to compensate for that with following Pokemon. It'd be messy.

Alexander18 July 7th, 2017 3:07 AM

Sure they can make it optional. But it is still a pointless feature as far as i can see. It takes time to do all those spites and i rather GF doesn't waste time on all 802 spites for the overworld.

pkmin3033 July 7th, 2017 3:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9698578)
Sure they can make it optional. But it is still a pointless feature as far as i can see. It takes time to do all those spites and i rather GF doesn't waste time on all 802 spites for the overworld.

Well, they've already done it, since the data was all there in SM, it just wasn't incorporated into the game. I can't imagine that it would take a substantial amount of time to actually put it into the game as a working feature...although I'm not entirely sure, that said. But if it's not included in USUM, I wouldn't have thought it would be because of a time/resource issue, but more as to whether or not the regular 3DS models can handle it without melting into a puddle of goo. xD

PkmnTrainerElio July 7th, 2017 5:04 AM

There seems to be a lot of people talking about the games being "laggy" and "the 3DS won't be able to handle such a feature". I think the 3DS is more than capable of handling this feature, as Dragon Quest VII on the 3DS uses models, just like Pokémon Sun and Moon (though the models and graphics in DQ VII are slightly better and more "clean"). And when your party is full, there's four models running around (and the game is much bigger than Pokémon Sun and Moon, if I remember correctly).

I wouldn't mind the feature to return, it would be nice seeing Gladion with Type: Null in tow and Hau with Alolan Raichu following him, though Lillie wouldn't like it too much, as Nebby is meant to stay in that damn bag.

Hikamaru July 8th, 2017 7:42 PM

I can admit that while I want to see the Pokemon following you again, Meyneth has brought up why it won't be possible on the 3DS. Not only do we have 802 different Pokemon, but there's also the fact that it'll lag older 3DS models to an unimaginable degree. And then there's the size of Pokemon like Wailord... it'll definitely be better for Switch capabilities, not the 3DS.

Ducolamia July 9th, 2017 5:41 PM

The fact the animations are already in the game and that they have every single Pokemon with a running AND walking animation sells me on the fact that maybe we'll be getting something close to Pokemon following us. Maybe it'll be like that cute park in Platinum. I'll tread with caution as always as I do not want to be set up for disappointment.

I will say in the meanwhile that it makes no sense from a development standpoint to me to have 800+ models in a game all equip with certain specific animations and NOT use them. I understand some things never make it into games, but even then, for EVERY Pokemon? I'm not saying this exempts that fact they could not be in USUM, but it's still seems a little weird to put in all that effort for nothing. I will also say that the ability to toggle the walking on and off would be very nice.

Also....how would Wailord and Pokemon like that work? It's huge!

tokyodrift July 9th, 2017 6:07 PM

As much as I would like for this to make a return, it most likely won't. I do remember them saying that it was a 4th gen exclusive thing, though it won't hurt at all to hope tbh. It's a really neat feature, and it would be amazing to see how they updated it to go with the 3D games. An option to turn it off would be great too, though I'm not too sure many people would have it turned off, so maybe that would be borderline pointless.

Alexander18 July 9th, 2017 7:56 PM

I am certain that this is a gen 4 exclusive feature. It has been 2 gens and one pair of gen 7 games now and there is no sign of it returning. Feature is basically dead in my opinion.

pkmin3033 July 9th, 2017 9:34 PM

Given that SM were little more than Gen I fan pandering, I actually wonder if USUM will be Gen II fan pandering, like a lot of people seem to expect with all this hype surrounding possible Gen II Alola form Pokemon. If that was the case, it'd make sense for this feature to make a return, as a throwback to HGSS...and if these really are going to be the last 3DS Pokemon titles - I personally doubt this, but still - it would make sense for them to go all out.

...that said, if that was the case it'd make sense for them to have another region postgame, and that probably won't happen. Hrm...

Alexander18 July 10th, 2017 1:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9701000)
Given that SM were little more than Gen I fan pandering, I actually wonder if USUM will be Gen II fan pandering, like a lot of people seem to expect with all this hype surrounding possible Gen II Alola form Pokemon. If that was the case, it'd make sense for this feature to make a return, as a throwback to HGSS...and if these really are going to be the last 3DS Pokemon titles - I personally doubt this, but still - it would make sense for them to go all out.

...that said, if that was the case it'd make sense for them to have another region postgame, and that probably won't happen. Hrm...

HGSS are gen 4 games. Not gen 2. The feature is a gen 4 feature that is likely to be kept in its gen. Gens are known to keep features from others.

pkmin3033 July 10th, 2017 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9701155)
HGSS are gen 4 games. Not gen 2. The feature is a gen 4 feature that is likely to be kept in its gen. Gens are known to keep features from others.

Actually, technically the following feature is a Gen I feature, since it started with Pikachu following you around in Pokemon Yellow. Which, if they want to continute with the Gen I fan-pandering, would make sense to include this time, depending on what USUM are in relation to SM...and I would assume that if they're going to pander to Gen II they'd take inspiration from HGSS and not GSC, given that they're the more recent titles. They're Gen II remakes in Gen IV.

It's difficult to know which features will be carried over between gens, and just because it's excluded in one gen doesn't mean it will be excluded in every gen following...as evidenced by the fact that following Pokemon reappeared in Gen IV after being absent since Gen I. Day/Night was absent in Gen III but reappeared in Gen IV. So it's not guaranteed it won't appear again...especially considering they've already programmed it into Gen VII and just haven't implemented it yet.

Altairis July 10th, 2017 3:41 AM

I thought he animations uncovered were for PokeFinder, not following Pokemon. I can't check right now if some of them match, but...

They seem really clunky to be included with 3D trainer models to me.. honestly I liked it as a sprite feature.

Alexander18 July 10th, 2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9701161)
Actually, technically the following feature is a Gen I feature, since it started with Pikachu following you around in Pokemon Yellow. Which, if they want to continute with the Gen I fan-pandering, would make sense to include this time, depending on what USUM are in relation to SM...and I would assume that if they're going to pander to Gen II they'd take inspiration from HGSS and not GSC, given that they're the more recent titles. They're Gen II remakes in Gen IV.

Yellow was only one pokemon and was based on the anime. HGSS are remakes of gen 2 games but still count as gen 4 games. Either way, i don't see the feature returning.

User19sq July 11th, 2017 3:00 PM

If they're gonna implement this feature, they should do so in a similar vein to the GB/GB Color features, wherein the 3DS won't allow this due to the lack of power, but playing on a N3DS would.

Hikamaru July 26th, 2017 11:51 PM

With that confirmation of a Pokemon game coming to the Nintendo Switch, I think those walking Pokemon graphics could easily be for that and not a 3DS game, since I think the Switch will have the capability to render all of that.

kingdenas August 16th, 2017 3:47 PM

As much as I would like that feature to return, I just can't see it happen. I know it's strange for them having those models already done FOR EVERY POKÉMON, but still... Probably the 3DS doesn't have enough capability to handle such a feature. Regardless, I still believe this feature will return someday, probably in the Switch game, as many have said here (=

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 4:03 PM

Please don't bring it back. I want to see other features that are actually useful and exciting. Features that provide actual use. Switch games are better off without the following pokemon feature.

PkmnTrainerElio August 16th, 2017 6:01 PM

Why do people keep saying that "the 3DS won't be able to handle it"?

Dragon Quest VII has three models following the player character and it worked well on my 3DS (which is an older model). And I think DQVII was much larger than SuMo.

clbgolden August 16th, 2017 7:16 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9733345)
I feel like you're comparing apples and oranges.

Double Battles and even the Battle Royal was an absolute nightmare on most 3DS systems. I genuinely don't think it'd be a good idea to introduce Pokemon following you to the 3DS system if it can barely handle the former two.

It should be noted that in the overworld models are extremely downscaled in comparison to in-battle, so the 3DS could handle it.

But unless we have actual specs, then it's nearly impossible to say.

Hikamaru August 16th, 2017 7:52 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9733345)
I feel like you're comparing apples and oranges.

Double Battles and even the Battle Royal was an absolute nightmare on most 3DS systems. I genuinely don't think it'd be a good idea to introduce Pokemon following you to the 3DS system if it can barely handle the former two.

You know, she's right. If you look at HG/SS we were still in the simple sprite days, and large Pokemon that had a bigger overworld sprite only couldn't go inside buildings whereas smaller Pokemon can. Now we have to deal with 3D models and the fact S/M already pushed 3DS limits far enough, so you can see it would make sense why we wouldn't have walking Pokemon.

I would like to see it return one day, but maybe for the Switch game.

clbgolden August 16th, 2017 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9733373)
A few scenarios to keep in mind, as I mentioned:

a) Are the overworld models going to be to scale? In HGSS this wasn't too much of a problem, but it's also because you're dealing with sprites. Even having ridiculously huge Pokemon like Dialga/Palkia/Rayquaza/insert oversized Pokemon here wasn't so much of a problem because it's really just a matter of making a bigger sprite behind the player character.

b) Are the overworld models all going to be the same size? This creates complications. What I mean by this is... think if every single 3D Pokemon model was about the size of say, Pokemon Box R/S models (google those if you aren't familiar). This means that some Pokemon would look hideous with downsized proportions compared to their normal, standard proportions. The best middle-ground scenario would be, as I mentioned, having the Pokemon models all be slightly bigger than the player models. This still means that most Pokemon would be awful if they aren't shown to scale and have proper detail to them.

Even having Pokemon to scale would present its own problems, because even if it's not really a matter of if the 3DS can handle it, it then becomes a matter of practicality. How are you going to enter a Pokemon Center or maneuver around buildings and small spaces with a Wailord or a Snorlax? There are no shortages of areas in SM where I feel like Pokemon following you wouldn't fit at all due to how impractical it would be. Entire maps would have to be revamped (from the best of my understanding?) to accomodate larger Pokemon size unless you decrease the size of the Pokemon models themselves. In that case you'd have to fix 800 models to make sure all of them don't look ugly when constricted to smaller proportions.

Does this make sense?

I suppose the best Game Freak can do is auto-disable Pokemon following you on small spaces, but I don't see them going that far personally.

a) Probably not. Having all Pokémon to scale would be nearly impossible because of huge Pokémon like Wailord, legendaries, etc. Admittedly, this would make said Pokémon look terrible when following you, but it's something that I can definitely see GameFreak doing (heck, they already massively downscaled Wailord in battle).

b) I highly doubt all the models would be the same size, as it would create some weirdly sized Pokémon when they could be easily smaller. But I'm not sure I understand what you're really saying here, so correct me if I'm wrong,

Jonothon August 16th, 2017 9:10 PM

I think most people would love to have the feature return but I'm not gonna get my hopes up. :(

Somewhere_ August 16th, 2017 9:22 PM

S/M wasnt super optimized for the 3ds and it took up a ton of space in terms of data, so while the animations exist, I dont have super high hopes for it. And S/M did not have the feature... why would the sequel suddenly have it? Finally, US/M is coming out in just a couple months- you would think such an appealing feature would at least be in some sort of trailer by now.

That being said, I would LOVE to have my pokemon following around throughout my adventures in Alola!

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 5:21 AM

New trailer confirms walking Pokémon are returning! :D

It only showed Rockruff, and he was traveling kind of far behind the trainer compared to HGSS when the Pokémon was basically right behind the trainer. Might have something to do with larger Pokémon...

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 5:27 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734309)
New trailer confirms walking Pokémon are returning! :D

It only showed Rockruff, and he was traveling kind of far behind the trainer compared to HGSS when the Pokémon was basically right behind the trainer. Might have something to do with larger Pokémon...

I was thinking the same thing. I'm really hyped for this.

blue August 18th, 2017 5:52 AM

I'm thinking it's either an optional feature that you can switch on/off or the scene we saw was a specific section that allows Pokémon (or just Rockruff) to run around with the player.

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 5:56 AM

Here are the possibilities:

1. Following pokemon is optional
2. Following pokemon is only for certain pokemon
3. Following pokemon is restricted to certain areas

In my opinion, three is the most likely possibility because one seems unlikely for the reason colours pointed out and two seems unlikely because the starter pokemon would be one of those certain pokemon and they aren't in the trailer following the player. Three is most likely because we have seen certain special areas in different games where we can do stuff like that, such as riding the gogoat (or its -pre-evo?) in XY.

Lunar August 18th, 2017 6:08 AM

I saw that and immediately got really hyped, I really hope it returns and isn't super restricted. It could have a toggle which would explain why there isn't a Pokemon behind the player at other points in the trailer but I'm not gonna get my hopes up just yet.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9734324)
Hold on. No it doesn't.

The only other clip that shows the Trainer walking around in the OW doesn't show a Pokemon following behind them.

http://i.imgur.com/hTxmcOA.png

IIRC this is past the point where you get your first Pokemon. Why isn't it shown behind the player character? The only explanation is Game Freak somehow added some sort of toggle feature for it (which would be an odd move for them but w/e).

I would love Pokemon following you to return, but I'm not getting my hopes up until it is actually confirmed and I see consistent footage of the such, not just one clip.

RIP: The dream. D:

I'm gonna go with the possibilities that BadSheep listed. They all seem pretty likely.

EC August 18th, 2017 6:48 AM

Boy, if they restrict it to certain areas, the reaction when it's announced fully is going to be hilarious.

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 6:50 AM

The restricted area theory makes sense, but after watching the trailer again, we see those road blocks that go away after defeating a trial. Which means the area the pokemon would be able to follow us is not enclosed. At least visually its not.

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 6:53 AM

My likely guess is that the walking Pokemon may be restricted to a certain area, like what happened with Amity Square in the Sinnoh games.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 12:08 PM

No. We are not getting the following pokemon feature again. What we saw is just a random Rockruff running around. Also GF should focus on other things in alola. Important things that actually serve a purpose.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734596)
No. We are not getting the following pokemon feature again. What we saw is just a random Rockruff running around. Also GF should focus on other things in alola. Important things that actually serve a purpose.

Honestly, I think you're missing the point of a video game. The point is to have fun. Pokemon following you is fun. Does it serve a purpose? No, but it makes the experience more immersive and enjoyable.


I personally, would love to see it return.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 1:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734596)
No. We are not getting the following pokemon feature again. What we saw is just a random Rockruff running around. Also GF should focus on other things in alola. Important things that actually serve a purpose.

Running around in the exact path the trainer was walking?

Walking Pokémon are probably returning, but to what extent we don't know. It could be restricted to certain areas/sizes/etc.

Altairis August 18th, 2017 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9734324)
Hold on. No it doesn't.

The only other clip that shows the Trainer walking around in the OW doesn't show a Pokemon following behind them.

http://i.imgur.com/hTxmcOA.png

IIRC this is past the point where you get your first Pokemon. Why isn't it shown behind the player character? The only explanation is Game Freak somehow added some sort of toggle feature for it (which would be an odd move for them but w/e).

I would love Pokemon following you to return, but I'm not getting my hopes up until it is actually confirmed and I see consistent footage of the such, not just one clip.

To me the Rockruff following looked more like how in Zelda when you get close to cats or dogs they will follow you for food/attention/blood. I mean it was pretty far behind the trainer, and the other shots like these have me pretty suspicious

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 2:17 PM

Well, even if it's on a small scale, I'm sure people will enjoy it being in the game. For some reason I never actually tried amity square in platinum, gonna have to do that when I get further in my playthrough.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 2:18 PM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734652)
Running around in the exact path the trainer was walking?

Walking Pokémon are probably returning, but to what extent we don't know. It could be restricted to certain areas/sizes/etc.

Disagree. It is just coincidence rockruff is going the same way as the trainer. I am certain the feature is not returning.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 2:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734688)
Disagree. It is just coincidence rockruff is going the same way as the trainer. I am certain the feature is not returning.

Coincidence? Come on. GF knows how much fans want following Pokémon back. They wouldn't add that scene in, making Rockruff walk in the same path the trainer is, and then go "Just a coincidence lol".

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734688)
Disagree. It is just coincidence rockruff is going the same way as the trainer. I am certain the feature is not returning.

You're certain? I'll quote you on that when the game comes out.

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 5:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734688)
Disagree. It is just coincidence rockruff is going the same way as the trainer. I am certain the feature is not returning.

No way its a coincidence. Coincidences dont make the cut for trailers. And the Rockruff hate music note in its text box as it ran, just like in other follow features. Even if its not a fully-fledged follow feature, there is no way in hell its a coincidence for that very reason.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 6:00 PM

I think we can safely say it's coming back in some form.

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734811)
I think we can safely say it's coming back in some form.

I agree. The debate/speculation is really about the extent to which the feature will return.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 6:56 PM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734712)
Coincidence? Come on. GF knows how much fans want following Pokémon back. They wouldn't add that scene in, making Rockruff walk in the same path the trainer is, and then go "Just a coincidence lol".

It is coincidence. Fans shouldn't make it out to be something that it isn't. We are not getting the feature back.

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734716)
You're certain? I'll quote you on that when the game comes out.

I am positive. The feature was awful in HGSS. At least in DP and Platinum, they restricted it to one area which i like. That feature won't return.

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Originally Posted by BadSheep (Post 9734809)
No way its a coincidence. Coincidences dont make the cut for trailers. And the Rockruff hate music note in its text box as it ran, just like in other follow features. Even if its not a fully-fledged follow feature, there is no way in hell its a coincidence for that very reason.

Actually it is. Fans are making too big of a deal of this. That scene in the trailer means nothing. Following pokemon is not happening again.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734844)
It is coincidence. Fans shouldn't make it out to be something that it isn't. We are not getting the feature back.


I am positive. The feature was awful in HGSS. At least in DP and Platinum, they restricted it to one area which i like. That feature won't return.


Actually it is. Fans are making too big of a deal of this. That scene in the trailer means nothing. Following pokemon is not happening again.

You do realize DPPt came out before HGSS, correct? They ported the feature to HGSS because it was popular.
Why would they include a meaningless clip, showing something that fans want, and then not include it in the game? that is legit just trolling the fanbase and is gonna add even more hate to all the hate surrounding USUM already.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 7:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734844)
It is coincidence. Fans shouldn't make it out to be something that it isn't. We are not getting the feature back.

Do you have any proof to back up that statement other than "I don't want the feature back, so it's not coming back"?

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734858)
You do realize DPPt came out before HGSS, correct? They ported the feature to HGSS because it was popular.
Why would they include a meaningless clip, showing something that fans want, and then not include it in the game? that is legit just trolling the fanbase and is gonna add even more hate to all the hate surrounding USUM already.

People are making assumptions from that clip. That clips doesn't indicate anything.

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734860)
Do you have any proof to back up that statement other than "I don't want the feature back, so it's not coming back"?

Don't need to. Proof is already there. Do you have proof that it is returning? No you do not. Fans need to stop jumping to conclusions because of one clip that means nothing.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734882)
People are making assumptions from that clip. That clips doesn't indicate anything.


Don't need to. Proof is already there. Do you have proof that it is returning? No you do not. Fans need to stop jumping to conclusions because of one clip that means nothing.

Um... no. There isn't any proof. And yeah, the clips kinda do provide evidence that it's coming back in some form.

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734844)
It is coincidence. Fans shouldn't make it out to be something that it isn't. We are not getting the feature back.

Actually it is. Fans are making too big of a deal of this. That scene in the trailer means nothing. Following pokemon is not happening again.

You aren't providing any evidence. Your argument consists of nothing more than pure contradiction without reason. While our theories and speculations may be too optimistic, at least we are pointing to evidence and trying to extrapolate from empiricism rather than making highly subjective and vague claims that "fans are making too big of a deal of this" and "the clip means nothing." We are not saying you are totally wrong (we aren't sure of anything ourselves, as I think our discussion has clearly indicated), but at least conjure up some fact-based reasoning.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734889)
Um... no. There isn't any proof. And yeah, the clips kinda do provide evidence that it's coming back in some form.

No it doesn't. That can be just a random rockruff. I am not buying the following pokemon return thing. USUM can do better than to have a annoying feature like that. Proof is that people are jumping to conclusion without actual evidence. I do not believe this for a second. My choice.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734894)
No it doesn't. That can be just a random rockruff. I am not buying the following pokemon return thing. USUM can do better than to have a annoying feature like that. Proof is that people are jumping to conclusion without actual evidence. I do not believe this for a second. My choice.

You don't have to "buy into" anything. What's happening is gonna happen. And even if it is a random rockruff, that's still a type of following pokemon (it's clearly following the trainer, admit it :p)

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:41 PM

I sincerely believe that feature will ruin USUM if it is in it. Pokemon following is an undesireable feature that gets annoying. So no, i do not believe this is returning and i believe i am right.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734901)
I sincerely believe that feature will ruin USUM if it is in it. Pokemon following is an undesireable feature that gets annoying. So no, i do not believe this is returning and i believe i am right.

I'm sure gamefreak is willing to sacrifice your money for the hundreds of dollars more they will get by including the feature.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 7:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734901)
I sincerely believe that feature will ruin USUM if it is in it. Pokemon following is an undesireable feature that gets annoying. So no, i do not believe this is returning and i believe i am right.

I'm sorry but how the heck could something as small as a Pokémon following behind you ruin the game?

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 8:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734912)
I'm sure gamefreak is willing to sacrifice your money for the hundreds of dollars more they will get by including the feature.

Nope. GF lose a lot of money from putting that feature in. Not just mine.

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734918)
I'm sorry but how the heck could something as small as a Pokémon following behind you ruin the game?

Because it is useless, pointless and annoying. Just like customization. I am already putting up with customization. I do not need to put up with two horrible features in one new pair of games.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734919)
Nope. GF lose a lot of money from putting that feature in. Not just mine.



Because it is useless, pointless and annoying. Just like customization. I am already putting up with customization. I do not need to put up with two horrible features in one new pair of games.

No, they wouldn't because I feel like it and that's proof.

Edit: Ok I've really had enough of this, I'll be taking a break until tomorrow, it's really intense :p

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734920)
No, they wouldn't because I feel like it and that's proof.

Actually it is not. There is no concrete evidence until officially stated. Until then i am not believing in mere speculation and hasty conclusions.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734923)
Actually it is not. There is no concrete evidence until officially stated. Until then i am not believing in mere speculation and hasty conclusions.

Where's your evidence that they would not want to give up your money in exchange for lots more? Also I was like, imitating you, wasn't being serious, sorry if it wasn't obvious :p

Edit: also, for the last time this time, I'm leaving this discussion until things cool down, so don't bother quoting me unless you wanna wait a few days for a response :p

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734924)
Where's your evidence that they would not want to give up your money in exchange for lots more? Also I was like, imitating you, wasn't being serious, sorry if it wasn't obvious :p

Edit: also, for the last time this time, I'm leaving this discussion until things cool down, so don't bother quoting me unless you wanna wait a few days for a response :p

Don't need any. This about following pokemon. And i say it is not returning.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 8:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734919)
Nope. GF lose a lot of money from putting that feature in. Not just mine.



Because it is useless, pointless and annoying. Just like customization. I am already putting up with customization. I do not need to put up with two horrible features in one new pair of games.

They really wouldn't lose money, given you're probably the only one who bitterly hates following Pokémon for whatever reason.

Also, jeez, you hate customization too?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/731/143/3e3.jpg

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 8:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734936)
Don't need any. This about following pokemon. And i say it is not returning.

You saying it won't return is. not. proof.

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734949)
They really wouldn't lose money, given you're probably the only one who bitterly hates following Pokémon for whatever reason.

Also, jeez, you hate customization too?


Yeah, he ranted about it in one of his blog posts.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734949)
They really wouldn't lose money, given you're probably the only one who bitterly hates following Pokémon for whatever reason.

Also, jeez, you hate customization too?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/731/143/3e3.jpg

I am not the only one. I just don't believe that a second of a clip proves anything.

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734952)
You saying it won't return is. not. proof.



Yeah, he ranted about it in one of his blog posts.

A second of a clip proves nothing. So there is no evidence of it returning. Look at the official site.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734955)
I am not the only one. I just don't believe that a second of a clip proves anything.


A second of a clip proves nothing. So there is no evidence of it returning. Look at the official site.

Find me someone else who doesn't want it to return. I'll give you a week.

The boxart was only shown for a small amount of time. Does that mean it isn't the "real" boxart, because there's no proof? One second can be all you need to make an educated guess.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734960)
Find me someone else who doesn't want it to return. I'll give you a week.

The boxart was only shown for a small amount of time. Does that mean it isn't the "real" boxart, because there's no proof? One second can be all you need to make an educated guess.

Internet is too big. And you can't compare boxart with the clip we are talking about. That rockruff could be anyone.

Unless the official website confirms it, i do not believe it is back and i am not gonna take anyone's word for it. Not gonna jump to conclusions like others.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734964)
Internet is too big. And you can't compare boxart with the clip we are talking about. That rockruff could be anyone.

Unless the official website confirms it, i do not believe it is back and i am not gonna take anyone's word for it. Not gonna jump to conclusions like others.

The official pokemon channel has just as much credibility as the official site. And once again, it's clearly returning in some form. Even if it's limited to just rockruff, in just that area, it counts as a pokemon following you. The evidence is right there in the video.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734967)
The official pokemon channel has just as much credibility as the official site. And once again, it's clearly returning in some form. Even if it's limited to just rockruff, in just that area, it counts as a pokemon following you. The evidence is right there in the video.

No it isn't. I am not taking the word of fans just because they want to see what they want to see.

That clip indicates nothing to convince me. Let me see it on official websites.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734970)
No it isn't. I am not taking the word of fans just because they want to see what they want to see.

That clip indicates nothing to convince me. Let me see it on official websites.

Is that not what you are doing? believing in what you want to see?
Anyways, we're at a standstill. Neither party can disprove the other until further evidence is presented, so for now, let's end this.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734972)
Is that not what you are doing? believing in what you want to see?
Anyways, we're at a standstill. Neither party can disprove the other until further evidence is presented, so for now, let's end this.

I can see clearly thanks and i don't have to believe in what i want to see. The official website will prove if it is in or out.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 18th, 2017 9:21 PM

Maybe it's similar to Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow. With Rockruff being the only one that follows.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734975)
I can see clearly thanks and i don't have to believe in what i want to see. The official website will prove if it is in or out.

The official website hasn't posted anything related to the matter. There's no evidence.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734977)
The official website hasn't posted anything related to the matter. There's no evidence.

Exactly. No evidence of following pokemon returning or not returning. That is why i am waiting for the official site to get confirmation.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734981)
Exactly. No evidence of following pokemon returning or not returning. That is why i am waiting for the official site to get confirmation.

Technically there is evidence, just none that you're willing to believe (because your opinion is the most important thing in the world). If you're gonna refuse to look at the evidence, I'm not gonna bother arguing with you any further. This is going nowhere.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734983)
Technically there is evidence, just none that you're willing to believe (because your opinion is the most important thing in the world). If you're gonna refuse to look at the evidence, I'm not gonna bother arguing with you any further. This is going nowhere.

No there is not. Quit telling me things that come from no where. I never said nor implied my opinion was more important so don't put words in my mouth. There is no evidence to refuse. That is it.

Please don't say something has evidence when it doesn't. Lets wait for concrete evidence from official sites.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9734976)
Maybe it's similar to Pikachu in Pokemon Yellow. With Rockruff being the only one that follows.

That would be interesting, but why rockruff of all pokemon? I mean, it does get a lot of attention :/

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734986)
No there is not. Quit telling me things that come from no where. I never said nor implied my opinion was more important so don't put words in my mouth. There is no evidence to refuse. That is it.

Please don't say something has evidence when it doesn't. Lets wait for concrete evidence from official sites.

Ok, I was joking again.... calm down.... (note to self, don't joke around here)

And yes, no matter how many times you deny it, the video is still evidence.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734989)
That would be interesting, but why rockruff of all pokemon? I mean, it does get a lot of attention :/


Ok, I was joking again.... calm down.... (note to self, don't joke around here)

And yes, no matter how many times you deny it, the video is still evidence.

Actually you are denying it. Not me. I am beung realistic. I need good evidence. Not a second of clip of a pokemon that could belong to someone else or just a pokemon in the overworld. Lets not argue anymore because we are taking over the topic.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734992)
Actually you are denying it. Not me. I am beung realistic. Lets not argue anymore because we are taking over the topic.

No, I'm willing to look over the evidence and make an educated guess about what it means.

Anyways, yes that's a good idea. Let's end it now.

Edit: If you wanna play the edit game then so will I :p Evidence is evidence no matter how much or how little it shows, as long as it isn't nothing. One second is not nothing.


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