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Poke fan number 489 October 14th, 2021 8:43 PM

An Idea I had while taking a shower.
Pokemon Fire Dead, play though a pokemon game only using the least popular ones like simisear(aka the dead mons).
Doesn't have to be fire red, I only did it for the pun.

Eleanor October 14th, 2021 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Poke fan number 489 (Post 10417142)
An Idea I had while taking a shower.
Pokemon Fire Dead, play though a pokemon game only using the least popular ones like simisear(aka the dead mons).
Doesn't have to be fire red, I only did it for the pun.

This kinda sounds like the Ones that got away challenge! Maybe that is close enough to your idea.
Nevertheless, good job with the pun, I suppose :woop:

Poke fan number 489 October 15th, 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor (Post 10417183)
This kinda sounds like the Ones that got away challenge! Maybe that is close enough to your idea.
Nevertheless, good job with the pun, I suppose :woop:

Thanks, I'll check it out

Duck January 26th, 2022 5:00 AM

A bit early, but ... with the impending release of P:LA I've been thinking of what to do it in the challenge threads I'm hosting.

Do I consider it not core series, do I consider Hisui it's own region (and if yes, should it be optional for Ultimates?), do I consider it as a Sinnoh stand-in for Ultimate challenges?

What do you guys think and if you're into leaks and already have a better idea of the gameplay, what would you guys do?

GrassN April 11th, 2022 2:27 PM

Im interested in doing some more challenges, but outside of a few (random, monotype, solo), Im not sure which are fun. I wanted to see which challenges you all would recommend/enjoy!

Eleanor April 12th, 2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GrassN (Post 10492082)
Im interested in doing some more challenges, but outside of a few (random, monotype, solo), Im not sure which are fun. I wanted to see which challenges you all would recommend/enjoy!

Hello!
I'd personally suggest the Ones that Got Away challenge or the Lampent Challenge, which are great for using Pokémon you may have overlooked in a normal playthrough or you may have just skipped. Of course, there's also the evergreen Nuzlocke challenge and variations thereof (like the Apocalocke or the Randomlocke), and some other variations on monotypes such as the Time Warp Challenge ♥ Hope that makes for a nice selection to choose from!

Adam's IQ May 28th, 2022 8:40 PM

I have an idea for a challenge I wanted to share, a Triple Starter run. Basically you complete the game using all three of the starters from the region, and you can't let any of them get more than two levels higher than the others. I tried doing this on my X game, but I still haven't pinned down some of the rules I want to enforce, so do anyone have suggestions? (No, this is NOT supposed to be a nuzlocke.)

Janp May 29th, 2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam's IQ (Post 10509152)
I have an idea for a challenge I wanted to share, a Triple Starter run. Basically you complete the game using all three of the starters from the region, and you can't let any of them get more than two levels higher than the others. I tried doing this on my X game, but I still haven't pinned down some of the rules I want to enforce, so do anyone have suggestions? (No, this is NOT supposed to be a nuzlocke.)

I don't think there are any special rules needed for such challenge. Maybe specify if other starters can be hacked in for older gens, where trading is hard to acomplish nowadays. I personally like the detail of not letting starters have big level difference. On the other hand, I feel like allowing only starters is limiting the teambuilding, preparations and executions of the run. I feel like no matter what, each player will face the same obstacles and most likely will solve them in a same way, because there simply won't be room for different solutions.

If you would like, I can try and test your challenge in different gens.

Adam's IQ May 29th, 2022 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Janp (Post 10509406)
I don't think there are any special rules needed for such challenge. Maybe specify if other starters can be hacked in for older gens, where trading is hard to accomplish nowadays. I personally like the detail of not letting starters have big level difference. On the other hand, I feel like allowing only starters is limiting the teambuilding, preparations and executions of the run. I feel like no matter what, each player will face the same obstacles and most likely will solve them in a same way, because there simply won't be room for different solutions.

If you would like, I can try and test your challenge in different gens.

Thank you for your interest. I did want to mention you don't have to use only the three starters, although if you want to you can to challenge yourself. While I was off I did drafts some rules I wanted to use and modifiers to make it more challenging. Here's what I have so far:

Rule 1: No starter may exceed another by more than one level. Breaking this means you must immediately sell all your Pokeballs sparing up to five normal ones and the Master ball, if applicable, and can not buy more or catch another Pokemon until this is fixed.

Rule 2: All starters must stay in the party at all times. Breaking this means you must immediately sell all TMs (and TRs for Gen 8) you have.

Rule 3: Other party Pokemon, even if used for battling, are allowed.

Rule 4: In games with HMs you must have the same amount of them on your Pokemon. Breaking this means you must immediately sell all healing items sparing one Potion, berries included, and can not buy more until this is fixed.

Rule 5: In games with triple battles you must complete one starting with your three starters once possible to before entering your next gym/facing the Elite Four.

Rule 6: In games that are randomizers the starter you receive in the cutscene must abide to Rule 2, but doesn't have to follow the others.

Rule 7: None of the starters can be used for Mega Evolution, Z-Moves or Dynamaxing in the games where this is possible.

Modifiers:
- Until the first (up to the fourth) gym you can only use Grass, Fire, Water and Normal type Pokemon.
- An applicable penalty of benching all your current non-starter Pokemon, unable to use them until facing your next gym/defeating the champion.
- Aside from Sword and Shield due to the mechanics of the Exp. Share you must rotate which starter you use to battle until it levels up, in a fixed order.
- Tightening certain rules such as 3 or 6.
- All three starters must evolve to their final evolution after the same battle.

About the hacking thing, I do approve of it for those games as a viable option as long as they're legal and at the level you would get them as a starter. Free feel to test it out and tell me what game you want to do first, I personally recommend the Gen 5 and 6 games since most of the rules can be applied there, and feel free to recommend other rules/modifiers I could tack on as well.

Striscia La Magicienne July 13th, 2022 12:00 AM

So, this seems like a pretty simple idea so I wouldn't be surprised if its already a challenge or wouldn't even count as a challenge, but a sort of cross game living national dex challenge? Essentially you'd go through every generation filling out a living dex of only that generation's Pokemon so that you end up with a dex of all the new Pokemon in a generation(IE, you have Bulbasaur to Mew in any gen 1 game, Chikorita to Celebi in any gen 2 game, so on so forth).

So a simple rule list would be something like this
1. This challenge goes from Gen 1 to Gen 7, with optionally adding Gen 8 or PLA. PLA counts as a Gen 4 game. You must catch and store all new Pokemon in every region, including regional forms(Store them in their region, IE store Alolan Sandslash in your Gen 7 save.), variants(4 Oricorios), and gender variants(male/female Combee).

2. Remakes count as their original generation, and you may catch a Pokemon outside of its home region if it meets these conditions;

A. It is not obtainable in any of its original generation games without an event(events that are item-triggered do not count). Example, Mew is not available in R/B/Y/FR/LG and meets this condition.
B. It can be traded to a game in its original generation by official means(PokeTransporter, PokeBank, direct trade). Again, Mew meets this condition since while you cannot get it in a game that can trade to R/B/Y, it is obtainable in Pokemon Emerald via the Old Sea Map event and can be traded to FR/LG.

Since the only Pokemon that don't meet those conditions are mythical Pokemon which all had an event at some point, editing in a duplicate of an event Pokemon is allowed for the following:
Jirachi, Manaphy*, Phione*, Keldeo, Meloetta, Genesect, Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Marshadow, Zeroara, Zarude**
*Only if you do not play PLA.
**Since Gen 8 is on Switch, Zarude may be left out from the challenge if you decide to include Gen 8.

3. Emulation is allowed, and using means such as PkHex to "simulate" trading or moving a Pokemon is allowed, as long as said trade would be again be possible by official means(I can't "trade" a Pokemon from Sapphire directly to Red)

4. Cheating event items in to trigger events like the previously mentioned Old Sea Map is allowed, otherwise no cheating, glitches, or hacking.

5. Trading with anyone other than yourself is not allowed.

6. The challenge ends immediately when you have all of the new Pokemon in a generation stored in one game for every generation(IE, all of my Gen 1 Pokemon have to be on Red, not half on Red and half on Blue.)

I might have missed something simple, but basically the idea is that you end up with every Pokemon available in a generation in one of those games.

Some afterthought notes:
The fact that you can only obtain Mew in FR/LG means that you have to choose one of them as the "Storage" save for Gen 1.
I'm worried I might have made it sound a little confusing, and I'm not even sure if this is a good idea.


Anyway, thank you for reading and any input you may give! I'm more than willing to do this challenge myself but I'm just not sure if this is an already existing challenge idea or if it is even a good challenge idea at all.

eishiba August 7th, 2022 6:50 PM

challenge suggestions
 
So I know when people play their mons games they like to use different ways to make it harder like nuzlocke. However if you really want to make the games harder, here is one rule that makes it challenging. Only use the same number of Pokemon as your opponent. Why should you get to use 6 for their one Pokemon. Now I usually have 4 or 5 mons on my team at a time and I dont go deposit those Pokemon into the box or anything, I simply only use the same number they use. Sometimes Ill save before a battle so if i lose i start over. Sometimes I just use another Pokemon but all we understanding is that you had to pull an Ash Ketchum and use Pikachu against a guy who defeated your Bulbasaur with his Marowak in order to win.

VisionofMilotic September 5th, 2022 7:25 AM

This scenario generator might be a good place to get started if you want inspiration for a challenge. It will randomly generate a game title, modifiers, and Pokemon typings to you. Anyway ever tried this?

https://scenariogenerator.net/generators/pokemon

RealPokeSwapper October 9th, 2022 9:10 AM

Nuzlocke HARDCORE with Artlocke is what I play.
I love Pokemon art.
Just started with Pokemon White 2 : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNZSe04GJBqZb6zpRGDur8w

StenirRPG November 8th, 2022 6:03 PM

Is there a challenge that's like "Same Type Attack Bonus" but it's the sort-of-reverse: "Same Types Are Bad"? You can't use anything that would grant you STAB There would be obvious caveats:

- If you start with only a damaging move that is a STAB move, you can continue to use it until you first gain a damaging non-STAB move, then you must no longer use that move.
- If you have a Pokemon that learns a move of a given type that would be STAB in a future evolution, you can use that move until you evolve.
- Status moves of any type may be used.
- Due to compatibility of some HMs, they can be taught to Pokemon of the same type. However, those moves cannot be used in battle if those Pokemon are part of the normal team. That is, a Lapras may be used for HMs, but it cannot use Surf during battle.
- Pokemon are ONLY allowed to use moves that are STAB if they cannot learn any other move, but you may only have up to one of these Pokemon on your team. For example, a Normal type that can only learn Normal type moves is allowed, but only one of them.
- Pokemon that have two types are still eligible. When signing up, people will have to choose between either "Semi-STAB" (only the primary type is a type you can't use) or "Pure-STAB" (both types cannot be used)

Exceptions:
- Keeping in mind that Smeargle can Sketch any move, if ends up Sketching a move that is Normal, that move is ineligible.
- Given the unreliability of Metronome, any Pokemon that can learn it is eligible to. Just don't turn it into a Metronome run if at all possible.

If this doesn't exist, or if I can't be pointed at it, then I will look to start up a thread about the "Same Types Are Bad" Challenge.

Duck November 9th, 2022 7:37 AM

I've seen it as an added rule in Nuzlockes (sometimes used in conjunction with "No SE moves allowed") where the penalty for screwing up is death, but I don't think I've seen either by itself.

ForsetiMaster06 November 22nd, 2022 7:42 PM

Methods For Improving In-Game Difficutly
 
I'm not the first to say that Pokemon has had lackluster difficulty for veteran players. Sure, the Set Battle Style + No Items combo helps a little bit, but even then I was still hungering for a bit more challenge. Over the last couple of years or so i've been trying to think of new ways to spicen up a casual playthrough, and I think it would be cool to share it with you all. I'm a bit unsure whether this post should instead be in the Challenges forum, so let me know if it should go there. Anyway, here are some of my favorite personal rules for my runs:

1. In gym battles, you may only use a number of Pokemon equal to the ammount they are using. This was the first of my rules, which I started using after a run of Black 2 Challenge mode. The only issue I had with that run is that despite the Gyms having really good teams I could always win by simply outlasting them with more Pokemon in my party. This rule also adds a bit of strategy on who to bring to a gym fight.

2. You cannot save in between Elite Four members or the Champion. I wouldn't be suprised if some of you already use this one, epecially because I got it from Jrose11's videos. Definitely a good one if you want to stop gimmicky strategies that require a lot of luck.

3. Once you enter a Gym, you must complete it before you can heal at a Pokemon Center. This is my most recent idea, but also the only one of the three that is 100% untested. I think it definitely has potential, but it might not be that enjoyable to play with.

Anyway, what are your thoughts? I really hope nobody has thought of the first one yet.

Duck November 23rd, 2022 5:08 AM

Number 1 isn't exactly common but also not unheard of in challenge communities, unfortunately.
Usually paired with something like a level cap (must match the ace's level or a small number of levels above that such as 2 or 3).

I usually see them in Nuzlocke variants since the Nuzlocke people are usually the ones that care the most about difficulty.

Sacemd January 17th, 2023 8:50 AM

Hey I was wondering if there's already a thing for "true solo challenges" where the use of HM slaves isn't allowed? I did one in HG recently to see if I could. Afaik they should be possible in all games that feature HMs except for DPPt because Victory Road requires 5 HMs and they're trivial in BW.

Janp January 17th, 2023 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Sacemd (Post 10595873)
Hey I was wondering if there's already a thing for "true solo challenges" where the use of HM slaves isn't allowed? I did one in HG recently to see if I could. Afaik they should be possible in all games that feature HMs except for DPPt because Victory Road requires 5 HMs and they're trivial in BW.

There is Solo Challenge, in which you can do a run without HM slaves.

Mintaka☆ January 17th, 2023 3:44 PM

Hey everyone! I'm very interested in team composition challenges, and I've noticed a lack of region-based ones.

I know a lot of people already challenge themselves to use only new Mons, but what about the opposite? I'd like to see challenges where one doesn't use any of the new Pokémon from the Generation in which the game was released. For example, if I wanted to run through X/Y, I would not use Kalos Pokémon. That would mean I would have to ditch the Kalos starter, but I would be free to use the Kanto starter that Sycamore gives out in his Lab. Similarly, if I did such a run of any of the Alola games, the starter would be off-limits, but I could catch a Pichu just outside my home and use it as my starter instead. Of course this challenge would be impossible in a Gen I game or remake of such, and I admit I don't quite know what the standing of regional forms would be, but it would be interesting to try.

Another one I thought of would be a challenge where one may use only one Mon from each Generation (in ROM hacks and fan games with Fakemon, their newcomers would count as a Generation.) For example, in a Sword/Shield run, I can keep the starter in the team, but cannot use any other Galar Pokémon beyond that point. Then, I'd have to select one from each region; such a final team could be Cinderace (Gen VIII), Raichu (Gen I), Excadrill (Gen V), Mimikyu (Gen VII), Ninjask (Gen III) and Weavile (Gen IV). This challenge would only be possible in games beyond Gen V at the earliest (as well as ROM hacks and fan games that cover Mons up to said Generation), but hey, the above was my team in my last run of Shield up to the point where I replaced Ninjask with Falinks, so it's doable.

Any thoughts on this? Have you done any challenges like these?

Explorer of Time January 17th, 2023 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mintaka☆ (Post 10595958)
This challenge would only be possible in games beyond Gen V at the earliest (as well as ROM hacks and fan games that cover Mons up to said Generation), but hey, the above was my team in my last run of Shield up to the point where I replaced Ninjask with Falinks, so it's doable.

This could actually be done in Gen V and earlier (Well, not in BW1 or Kanto). You'd just have less than six party members. It's entirely reasonable in B2W2 and Gen IV, especially with all the HMs you need. Though if someone wants a full team in an earlier Gen, you could possibly allow two Pokemon per Gen so long as you already have one from each Gen already, though this still obviously couldn't be done with BW1 or RBY/FRLG.

Reginald Cosmic January 29th, 2023 12:19 PM

A friend and I are doing a "Soul Link" Nuzlocke with randomized wild Pokémon, and I'm wondering if I would be allowed to post it and where.

He's playing Ruby, and I'm playing Sapphire. The wild Pokémon are randomized but not the trainers.There is also a house rule that each gym leader is a "checkpoint" we can restart from, so if we beat Wattson and then wipe out at Mt. Chimney, we can restart from right after Wattson. There's also a "static encounter" clause where, even though the static encounter is random, it doesn't count as the only Pokémon from that route (though we'd still have to both successfully catch it in order to use it). The full rules will be included in my first post where I put it.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Eleanor January 29th, 2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reginald Cosmic (Post 10599943)
A friend and I are doing a "Soul Link" Nuzlocke with randomized wild Pokémon, and I'm wondering if I would be allowed to post it and where.

He's playing Ruby, and I'm playing Sapphire. The wild Pokémon are randomized but not the trainers.There is also a house rule that each gym leader is a "checkpoint" we can restart from, so if we beat Wattson and then wipe out at Mt. Chimney, we can restart from right after Wattson. There's also a "static encounter" clause where, even though the static encounter is random, it doesn't count as the only Pokémon from that route (though we'd still have to both successfully catch it in order to use it). The full rules will be included in my first post where I put it.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Hello there! For something like this I think I would make a thread in Travel Journals. It's the best way to simply update your progress on any run you want, even a challenge run, and have people follow along easily. Challenges as a section... well, the idea of it implies that if you create a thread in here, you're challenging us all to play along and let you know how we're doing 😇

Reginald Cosmic January 29th, 2023 2:02 PM

I have no objection to that. I just didn't want to break the rule about "one thread per challenge," but now I think I misunderstood that meant. In any case, thank you.

Captain Gizmo February 2nd, 2023 12:06 PM

Anyone remember the NPC Trainer Class challenge? Am I allowed to post in it or does it need to be revived? I think it goes back to like 2017 since it was last posted in lol.


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