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DmitritheDitto August 15th, 2017 5:25 PM

USUM last pokémon game for 3DS?
 
Will USUM be the last pokemon game for the 3ds or will they hold up one more until late 2018 early 2019 when Pokemon for Switch comes and then they bail on us.I think USUM may be the last Pokemon game for the 3DS.What do you all think?

Desert Stream~ August 15th, 2017 5:38 PM

wouldn't be suprised. The fact they announced pokemon switch so early makes me think it's gonna come sooner rather then later. Of course, they could pull a smash 4 and release it on 3ds and switch but idk how that would work.

DmitritheDitto August 15th, 2017 5:46 PM

They did have cross-play for MHXX for Switch and 3DS.But for Pokemon the developers might want to go out of the 3DS's hardware capabilities.

WingsofBliss August 15th, 2017 6:03 PM

I think that will most likely be the case. It's kind of exciting and yet sobering at the same time; even though the Switch is essentially a handheld and home console combined into one machine, USUM may just be the last core series games to be on a standalone handheld. 20 years of being a handheld series and they're moving on... i think I'm gonna cry...

Here's a question that's popped into my head regarding the Switch game... since it's a different system, I wonder if they'll continue with making dual games or(pardon the pun) switch to making a singular game? I would think they're going to stick to dual games since trading version exclusives and stuff is what makes Pokemon for what it is, but I'm still curious.

Hikamaru August 15th, 2017 7:06 PM

Pinkie-Dawn told me that Nintendo does plan to continue supporting the 3DS, but I can see where Wings is coming from in that Nintendo may only focus on the Switch due to it being a hybrid of home console and handheld.

Also, I feel moving the main series to Switch may be a step backwards since 3DS is two screens and the Switch is only single screen.

adelgirl August 15th, 2017 9:35 PM

Since it was hinted at that there would be a pokemon game for the switch, I would not be surprised if it would be the last pokemon game for 3ds, though anything could happen.

Alexander18 August 15th, 2017 9:43 PM

Likely. The next pokemon would gen 8 on the Switch. USUM are the final gen 7 games and the final 3DS main series pokemon games.

DmitritheDitto August 16th, 2017 2:38 AM

Its gonna be really sad actually.I was hoping for remakes of diamond and pearl before the Switch main Pokemon game.

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 2:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DmitritheDitto (Post 9732722)
Its gonna be really sad actually.I was hoping for remakes of diamond and pearl before the Switch main Pokemon game.

They don't put two remakes on the same handheld. ORAS is the remakes for 3DS. DP remakes can be on the Switch.

janejane6178 August 16th, 2017 4:31 AM

I really dont like the idea of using the switch. 3ds was the option in my opinion

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9732664)
Likely. The next pokemon would gen 8 on the Switch. USUM are the final gen 7 games and the final 3DS main series pokemon games.

We don't know that yet.
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Originally Posted by DmitritheDitto (Post 9732722)
Its gonna be really sad actually.I was hoping for remakes of diamond and pearl before the Switch main Pokemon game.

Now I doubt it, but I'm pretty sure Remakes are considered main series titles, so they could possibly make DP remakes on switch, but I think we'll get a new region first. As Alexander18 said, they tend to do remakes on different systems (although we'll see what happens with B/W since they were on DS as well).

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9732969)
We don't know that yet.

Now I doubt it, but I'm pretty sure Remakes are considered main series titles, so they could possibly make DP remakes on switch, but I think we'll get a new region first. As Alexander18 said, they tend to do remakes on different systems (although we'll see what happens with B/W since they were on DS as well).

I am certain USUM are the last 3DS games. If they are doing a main game for Switch then that pretty much confirms they are moving onto the Switch after USUM is released.

BW are not remakes though. They were put on the DS since the DS is still useable and popular.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9732973)
I am certain USUM are the last 3DS games. If they are doing a main game for Switch then that pretty much confirms they are moving onto the Switch after USUM is released.

BW are not remakes though. They were put on the DS since the DS is still useable and popular.

I never said BW were remakes, I'm saying that the remakes of BW is gonna be interesting, since they tend to do remakes 2 systems after the original game, + you got BW2 which means if they continue the pattern, switch is gonna have 3 remakes.

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9732981)
I never said BW were remakes, I'm saying that the remakes of BW is gonna be interesting, since they tend to do remakes 2 systems after the original game, + you got BW2 which means if they continue the pattern, switch is gonna have 3 remakes.

What? 3 remakes?! Sorry but that is not happening. We only get one remake per hand held. Third versions and sequels don't count as remakes. USUM are not remakes.

Altairis August 16th, 2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9732969)
We don't know that yet.

Now I doubt it, but I'm pretty sure Remakes are considered main series titles, so they could possibly make DP remakes on switch, but I think we'll get a new region first. As Alexander18 said, they tend to do remakes on different systems (although we'll see what happens with B/W since they were on DS as well).

uhhh pokemon for switch was confirmed ages ago
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/07/pokemon_on_nintendo_switch_is_due_2018_or_later_but_thats_no_surprise

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2017/6/13/15778774/new-pokemon-nintendo-switch-game-freak-announced-e3-2017

etc

highly doubt they would release a pokemon game in between USUM and 2018

Ida13 August 16th, 2017 11:50 AM

It probably is going to be on the switch after USUM is released. They probably won't make a gen between gen 8, on the switch, and USUM. Gen 4 remakes probably would come after gen 8.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9732986)
What? 3 remakes?! Sorry but that is not happening. We only get one remake per hand held. Third versions and sequels don't count as remakes. USUM are not remakes.

again, not saying they're remakes. I'm saying idk how they will make remakes of those games.

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733188)
again, not saying they're remakes. I'm saying idk how they will make remakes of those games.

What? They would remake BW the same way as the other remakes.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733209)
What? They would remake BW the same way as the other remakes.

Yes, but it would get complicated with B/W2

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733211)
Yes, but it would get complicated with B/W2

How? Just because BW had sequels, it doesn't stop them for having remakes.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733217)
How? Just because BW had sequels, it doesn't stop them for having remakes.

Having a remake and a sequel to that remake in different generations would just be weird imo.

mireka August 16th, 2017 4:24 PM

i'm hoping that pokemon switch is just a pokemon game for the switch and that's it but i haven't really dont any research about it

i dont think usum is the last pokemon game for 3ds though

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733225)
Having a remake and a sequel to that remake in different generations would just be weird imo.

BW are not remakes and i don't see the problem. They can do it if they want to but this is off topic.

Anyway i think gen 7 is ending with four games just gen 5 and gen 6. USUM should end the generation and 3DS series with a bang.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 6:01 PM

Black 2 and white 2.
And again, not saying they are remakes. I'm talking about a potential remake. in the future.

Alexander18 August 16th, 2017 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733320)
Black 2 and white 2.
And again, not saying they are remakes. I'm talking about a potential remake. in the future.

Not an issue. Remake won't be connected to sequel since sequel is gen five.

USUM seems like typical third versions for some but i don't think they end the generation and 3DS pokemon games like that.

Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733420)
Not an issue. Remake won't be connected to sequel since sequel is gen five.

USUM seems like typical third versions for some but i don't think they end the generation and 3DS pokemon games like that.

ok you're really confusing me. First you say you're 100% sure that USUM is the last game, now you say you don't think they'll end the 3ds series?

And are you saying that B2W2 won't get a remake, or that the remake will be B2/B, and W2/W?

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 1:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733435)
ok you're really confusing me. First you say you're 100% sure that USUM is the last game, now you say you don't think they'll end the 3ds series?

And are you saying that B2W2 won't get a remake, or that the remake will be B2/B, and W2/W?

No, i am saying they are not gonna finish the 3DS pokemon games with a typical third version. I am saying they should end it big with USUM.

B2W2 probably won't get remakes. Third versions don't get remakes so sequels may not get remakes either.

Hikamaru August 17th, 2017 6:31 AM

Figured time to break up the argument with something. Shigeru Ohmori hinted that main series Pokemon games tend to take three years' worth of development, so if the Switch game that Game Freak are working on is the first game of 8th Gen, I probably don't see it coming until 2019.

So, be prepared for a gap year next year.

RedJ August 17th, 2017 8:38 AM

I don't think the Switch game(s) are too far along in development since the Switch is a new system and so far we only have a confirmation that it's happening and was likely announced way ahead of time because of the backlash from the announcement that US/UM would be on the 3DS (despite all of the complaints about the opposite happening...), so I could see them making one last set of games for the 3DS if only to keep the money coming in while they work on whatever they're doing for the Switch.

It just depends on what Game Freak decides to do and if Nintendo is willing to let them do it.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 9:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733506)
No, i am saying they are not gonna finish the 3DS pokemon games with a typical third version. I am saying they should end it big with USUM.

B2W2 probably won't get remakes. Third versions don't get remakes so sequels may not get remakes either.

Ok, I get you now. I still must disagree though, as this is a terrible idea from a buisness standpoint. Black 2 and White 2 were better recieved in the community (critics reviewed the originals better for some reason) and I'm sure there would be backlash if they remade one set of games and not the other. I know I would be upset.


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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9733636)
Figured time to break up the argument with something. Shigeru Ohmori hinted that main series Pokemon games tend to take three years' worth of development, so if the Switch game that Game Freak are working on is the first game of 8th Gen, I probably don't see it coming until 2019.

So, be prepared for a gap year next year.

Eh, not suprised. There was a gap between ORAS and S/M iirc.

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Originally Posted by RedJ (Post 9733738)
I don't think the Switch game(s) are too far along in development since the Switch is a new system and so far we only have a confirmation that it's happening and was likely announced way ahead of time because of the backlash from the announcement that US/UM would be on the 3DS (despite all of the complaints about the opposite happening...), so I could see them making one last set of games for the 3DS if only to keep the money coming in while they work on whatever they're doing for the Switch.

It just depends on what Game Freak decides to do and if Nintendo is willing to let them do it.

Hm, I wouldn't be suprised if they have a solid years worth of work done already. I'm pretty sure most second party developers would be granted access to the development kits and such, although it is possible that this was announced way earlier then they intended.

It's a shame that GF has to deal with impatient fans who fail to realize that they're not gonna scrap all the current assets and make brand new ones mid generation just so they can put it on a different console.

WingsofBliss August 17th, 2017 3:15 PM

I don't see where people are getting the idea that they announced the Switch game recently because of supposed backlash from USUM silence. That's insinuating that Game Freak mindlessly catered to needless complaining, and that's not how they work. When are people gonna learn to be patient? Seriously, the majority of the responses from butthurt fans is getting asinine.

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733756)
Ok, I get you now. I still must disagree though, as this is a terrible idea from a buisness standpoint. Black 2 and White 2 were better recieved in the community (critics reviewed the originals better for some reason) and I'm sure there would be backlash if they remade one set of games and not the other. I know I would be upset.



Eh, not suprised. There was a gap between ORAS and S/M iirc.



Hm, I wouldn't be suprised if they have a solid years worth of work done already. I'm pretty sure most second party developers would be granted access to the development kits and such, although it is possible that this was announced way earlier then they intended.

It's a shame that GF has to deal with impatient fans who fail to realize that they're not gonna scrap all the current assets and make brand new ones mid generation just so they can put it on a different console.

How is it a terrible idea? Remaking BW is no different to the others. You think Yellow, Crystal and Emerald got remakes? No they did not. So B2W2 won't either.

However, they could put some things from B2W2 into BW remakes. Lets not forget that alternate universes exist so something like that can work.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733936)
How is it a terrible idea? Remaking BW is no different to the others. You think Yellow, Crystal and Emerald got remakes? No they did not. So B2W2 won't either.

However, they could put some things from B2W2 into BW remakes. Lets not forget that alternate universes exist so something like that can work.

Third versions are not the same as sequels. A third version is a similar storyline with minor differences, which are easy to incorporate into a remake. A sequel is a completely different storyline, set in a modified version of the region, with tons of new pokemon in the regional pokedex, the gym leaders, the elite 4 and champion have all changed, the main characters are different, your rival is different, etc. tell me this- how are you gonna combine all the features from B2W2 into a remake of the originals?

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733965)
Third versions are not the same as sequels. A third version is a similar storyline with minor differences, which are easy to incorporate into a remake. A sequel is a completely different storyline, set in a modified version of the region, with tons of new pokemon in the regional pokedex, the gym leaders, the elite 4 and champion have all changed, the main characters are different, your rival is different, etc. tell me this- how are you gonna combine all the features from B2W2 into a remake of the originals?

Like i said - alternate universe. BW remakes could have events happen a bit further than the originals. Look at ORAS - it already had plans for a BF even though R/S had the battle tower.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 6:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733990)
Like i said - alternate universe. BW remakes could have events happen a bit further than the originals. Look at ORAS - it already had plans for a BF even though R/S had the battle tower.

Yes but I don't see how you're gonna sneak in an entire game's worth of content that way.

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733992)
Yes but I don't see how you're gonna sneak in an entire game's worth of content that way.

Not all of it. Just enough to remind fans about B2W2. sequels may be different to third versions but they still in the same region. First games always take priority over the third version/sequel.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734002)
Not all of it. Just enough to remind fans about B2W2. sequels may be different to third versions but they still in the same region. First games always take priority over the third version/sequel.

Thing is, reminding fans about B2W2 isn't enough, because most people who buy a remake buy it because they never got to play the original, so the target audience isn't gonna be reminded of anything + they're gonna be salty because they never got to experience the B2W2 storyline.

Also we haven't had a remake of a sequel yet, so you're just making assumptions.

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734018)
Thing is, reminding fans about B2W2 isn't enough, because most people who buy a remake buy it because they never got to play the original, so the target audience isn't gonna be reminded of anything + they're gonna be salty because they never got to experience the B2W2 storyline.

Also we haven't had a remake of a sequel yet, so you're just making assumptions.

It is enough if GF says it is enough. BW can get remade but not for a good long while. I don't see a problem with it and never will.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734067)
It is enough if GF says it is enough. BW can get remade but not for a good long while. I don't see a problem with it and never will.

Alright, let's go with that then.

blue August 18th, 2017 4:10 AM

Hey guys, just jumping in to remind you to stay on topic please. This thread is about discussing the potential of Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon being the last games on the 3DS rather than the discussion of Black and White remakes.

Lunos August 18th, 2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DmitritheDitto (Post 9732519)
Will USUM be the last pokemon game for the 3ds?

Prolly nope. It wouldn't surprise me if the Switch Versions became the focus though.
Kind of the relation that Consoles and PC ever had, Switch's Version will prolly be the superior/most pretty one and the 3DS one will keep walking on the same route it has been walking on, with its small resolution, ugly graphical quality, frame drops, etc.
Unless Nintendo decided to make a replacement for it, that is.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9733900)
I don't see where people are getting the idea that they announced the Switch game recently because of supposed backlash from USUM silence. That's insinuating that Game Freak mindlessly catered to needless complaining, and that's not how they work. When are people gonna learn to be patient? Seriously, the majority of the responses from butthurt fans is getting asinine.

Well it does seem odd that they would announce a game for the switch before the games before it were even released, not to mention that the timing is pretty suspicious.

Phyrrhic August 18th, 2017 12:18 PM

I dont see why they would be.

The Switch simply is not popular enough (~5m sales compared to the ~19m of the 3ds over the same time period) to make a main series game for, it wouldnt sell well.

This coupled with the higher development cost with a more complex system, it would be too much of a risk to make it switch exclusive.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9734608)
I dont see why they would be.

The Switch simply is not popular enough (~5m sales compared to the ~19m of the 3ds over the same time period) to make a main series game for, it wouldnt sell well.

This coupled with the higher development cost with a more complex system, it would be too much of a risk to make it switch exclusive.

The switch actually is doing really well, the main reason sales are so low is because of supply issues. And don't forget, the switch games are a few years away, by that time it will have sold much more.

Altairis August 18th, 2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedJ (Post 9733738)
I don't think the Switch game(s) are too far along in development since the Switch is a new system and so far we only have a confirmation that it's happening and was likely announced way ahead of time because of the backlash from the announcement that US/UM would be on the 3DS (despite all of the complaints about the opposite happening...), so I could see them making one last set of games for the 3DS if only to keep the money coming in while they work on whatever they're doing for the Switch.

It just depends on what Game Freak decides to do and if Nintendo is willing to let them do it.

"Switch is a new system" but.... they don't wait for the system to come out first...... we have games released alongside the system, meaning it was available to the developers early.... so this could have been going for years at max as long as they had the system

They announced it early because of USUM being on 3DS backlash..? I don't think I understand

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9734608)
I dont see why they would be.

The Switch simply is not popular enough (~5m sales compared to the ~19m of the 3ds over the same time period) to make a main series game for, it wouldnt sell well.

This coupled with the higher development cost with a more complex system, it would be too much of a risk to make it switch exclusive.

They have supply issues because they are competing with Apple (at least in the US) for a chip only manufactured by one company. Or so I was told.

In my area, a super large city, GameStop had to do preorders in July because they hadn't receieved any Switches in month and only expected to get a few. Toys R Us hadn't received any since launch. Best Buy and Target hadn't received any in weeks and then only a few. There are mutiples of each in my area and I called ones 1 hour away. Trust me I called them all lol.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9734637)
"Switch is a new system" but.... they don't wait for the system to come out first...... we have games released alongside the system, meaning it was available to the developers early.... so this could have been going for years at max as long as they had the system

They announced it early because of USUM being on 3DS backlash..? I don't think I understand

some people are speculating the reason they announced pokemon on the switch so early is to appease fans who were salty over pokemon USUM not being on the switch

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734638)
some people are speculating the reason they announced pokemon on the switch so early is to appease fans who were salty over pokemon USUM not being on the switch

They are wrong. It has nothing to do with appeasing fans. It is about moving on from the 3DS and letting people know. People who are salty need to understand that GF is not there to fill their wishlist. GF makes games to make money.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734697)
They are wrong. It has nothing to do with appeasing fans. It is about moving on from the 3DS and letting people know. People who are salty need to understand that GF is not there to fill their wishlist. GF makes games to make money.

Gamefreak won't make money if they don't do things fans like, because then only hardcore fans will buy the games. The massive difference in sales between each game shows that casual fans of the series might not buy games they're not interested in. And you have no way of knowing what Gamefreak is thinking. Neither do we. It's speculation.

Phyrrhic August 18th, 2017 2:47 PM

The supply shortages were only a major issue at launch (like all new big name tech), and although they still exist to a smaller degree, that doesnt warrant 75% less sales. I might also add that the 3DS had a similar supply issue at launch.
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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734627)
And don't forget, the switch games are a few years away, by that time it will have sold much more.

The comparison was for sales over the same time period, being pre-orders plus two quarters of sales. Nintendo's sales estimates (prior to launch/supply problems) were 20m units sold by Q2 2018, compared to the 31m 3DS units sold over the same period.

The 5m switch units sold, compared to the 67m of the 3DS should force GF to not develop for the switch until it has a much larger user base. Sales would be severely limited, lowering revenue, coupled with the costs of developing for the new system, lowering profits. From a monetary standpoint, GF should not be making a switch exclusive game for at least another development cycle.

I have a Switch, and would love to have a main series game on it, but im just being realistic. I wouldnt mind some of the more obscure Pokemon titles i.e. Pokemon Ranger being released, as it wouldnt be as risky as making the main series Switch only.

EDIT: I might add that GF is a company, their only goal is to make money, not to innovate for the sake of innovation. Selling on the switch only would be a terrible buisness choice. It is only a vocal minority of fans who want games on the switch, as the switch user base is currently a minority in the Nintendo ecosystem.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 2:56 PM

I think that they're trying to phase out the 3ds and move to the switch. Nintendo said they'd support the 3ds, but for how long? Who knows. It could be 5 years. It could be 1 year. But either way, It's gonna end eventually.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 3:13 PM

I normally don't like saying things with 99% certainty, buttttttt

These are probably gonna be the last Pokémon games on 3DS. GF says they want the new Pokémon Switch out by next year at the earliest, so they most likely aren't even working on anything else except USUM and the upcoming Switch game. At best we might get a spin-off or something.

pixelani August 18th, 2017 6:24 PM

The only other thing that would likely come this generation would be Diamond and Pearl remakes, but a lot of people think it's too early for that. Additionally, there's already a Switch title well into development and it's unlikely they'd confirm a game that comes out after another still-unannounced title, before still another set has yet to be released. That's just too much - and besides, they have yet to release two sets of remakes on one console.

It's almost a sure bet that the next title will be on the Switch and that no more 3DS titles are coming.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734708)
Gamefreak won't make money if they don't do things fans like, because then only hardcore fans will buy the games. The massive difference in sales between each game shows that casual fans of the series might not buy games they're not interested in. And you have no way of knowing what Gamefreak is thinking. Neither do we. It's speculation.

Never said i know what GF is thinking. GF does not owe the fans anything. They are not gonna fill every single wishlist the fans has. It is not what we want. It is what GF wants.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734840)
Never said i know what GF is thinking. GF does not owe the fans anything. They are not gonna fill every single wishlist the fans has. It is not what we want. It is what GF wants.

Of course they're not gonna do everything, it wouldn't be their game otherwise, but they certainly pay attention the the community and what they want.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734857)
Of course they're not gonna do everything, it wouldn't be their game otherwise, but they certainly pay attention the the community and what they want.

GF should make their games the way they want. Not what fans want. Fans have no say in the matter.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734886)
GF should make their games the way they want. Not what fans want. Fans have no say in the matter.

Maybe they should, but that's not how it works. More fanservice = more money.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734891)
Maybe they should, but that's not how it works. More fanservice = more money.

Fanservice is irrelevent. GF will make games regardless of the fans.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734904)
Fanservice is irrelevent. GF will make games regardless of the fans.

But they can't make games without money, which comes from the fans. Why do you think they pander kanto so much? Why do you think there are features like following pokemon and customization? Why do you think they market their products? Why do you think there are features like Poke Amie, or battle frontiers? Because they felt like it? No, it's so people will actually buy their products..............

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734911)
But they can't make games without money, which comes from the fans. Why do you think they pander kanto so much? Why do you think there are features like following pokemon and customization? Why do you think they market their products? Why do you think there are features like Poke Amie, or battle frontiers? Because they felt like it? No, it's so people will actually buy their products..............

I don't think so. GF does what they want in the end. I don't buy fan service for a second.

DmitritheDitto August 19th, 2017 3:50 AM

I agree with Alexander,Fanservice is a bunch of baloney.Never think a company listens to their fans in the end it comes down to GF to decide.

Iceshadow3317 August 19th, 2017 7:07 AM

There are a few things to consider, I think 8th Gen will be on Switch, but I don't know if there will be another game or not.

We will either have a break for a year, meaning no main series game in 2018.
We will have another main series game on the 3ds next year, which would be a remake of something.

And finally, if they choose to bring out a Switch Game next year, then they need to make sure Nintendo is mass produceing the Switch, because....... I haven't seen a Switch in stores since a week after its release.

So, bringing a pokemon game out when there isn't enough consoles is a very bad move.

Altairis August 19th, 2017 7:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9734718)
The supply shortages were only a major issue at launch (like all new big name tech), and although they still exist to a smaller degree, that doesnt warrant 75% less sales. I might also add that the 3DS had a similar supply issue at launch.

The comparison was for sales over the same time period, being pre-orders plus two quarters of sales. Nintendo's sales estimates (prior to launch/supply problems) were 20m units sold by Q2 2018, compared to the 31m 3DS units sold over the same period.

The 5m switch units sold, compared to the 67m of the 3DS should force GF to not develop for the switch until it has a much larger user base. Sales would be severely limited, lowering revenue, coupled with the costs of developing for the new system, lowering profits. From a monetary standpoint, GF should not be making a switch exclusive game for at least another development cycle.

I have a Switch, and would love to have a main series game on it, but im just being realistic. I wouldnt mind some of the more obscure Pokemon titles i.e. Pokemon Ranger being released, as it wouldnt be as risky as making the main series Switch only.

EDIT: I might add that GF is a company, their only goal is to make money, not to innovate for the sake of innovation. Selling on the switch only would be a terrible buisness choice. It is only a vocal minority of fans who want games on the switch, as the switch user base is currently a minority in the Nintendo ecosystem.

But it took me two weeks to find a Switch last month, my friend called the stores yesterday and they still haven't received any in weeks. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to helping people get Switches because they're still hard to find. So I'm not sure where your first paragraph claim is coming from when people are still having issues in huge areas with almost a million people in one city + more from the surrounding areas. Theoretically places in NYC and SF would have them in stock right?

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 7:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734922)
I don't think so. GF does what they want in the end. I don't buy fan service for a second.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmitritheDitto (Post 9735139)
I agree with Alexander,Fanservice is a bunch of baloney.Never think a company listens to their fans in the end it comes down to GF to decide.

As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.

pixelani August 19th, 2017 9:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735230)
As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.

Not to mention the fact that an essential part of marketing is understanding demand and brand image. They might not always have great ideas or give fans anything useful, but more often than not they pay attention to what their audience is saying. That's just good business practice, and neither The Pokemon Company nor Game Freak are exempt from that.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735225)
But it took me two weeks to find a Switch last month, my friend called the stores yesterday and they still haven't received any in weeks. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to helping people get Switches because they're still hard to find. So I'm not sure where your first paragraph claim is coming from when people are still having issues in huge areas with almost a million people in one city + more from the surrounding areas. Theoretically places in NYC and SF would have them in stock right?

Thats an isolated supply issue. If supply was met in those urban areas it would only increase the user base by at most 150,000 and im being super generous.

If you want a switch, go to the Walmart in Avon, CO. They had like 6 in the cabinet a few weeks ago, and your situation is anecdotal, and as I said in my first post, supply issues exist, but not a 15m unit shortage. Maybe 1m at most.

Its important to remember, the console costs $300 if you are lucky. This is not affordable to a majority of the Nintendo user base, which is the market that the 3DS fulfills. Most people would save the extra $100 and get a brand new, much more robust console from Microsoft or Sony.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 10:06 AM

also here: https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Switch-Gray-Joy-Con/dp/B01LTHP2ZK?th=1

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735303)

I wouldn't call it an isolated issue. It shouldn't be news when a new shipment comes in.

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735230)
As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.

I disagree with you. GF do what they want and not have to sink low to fanservice. They are better than that. Give them more credit than that.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735305)
I wouldn't call it an isolated issue. It shouldn't be news when a new shipment comes in.

Its an isolated issue. Which means that its an issue in isolated areas.

But amazon ships everywhere in the us, so if u need one there it is in stock.

I get your point though

Iceshadow3317 August 19th, 2017 1:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735391)
Its an isolated issue. Which means that its an issue in isolated areas.

But amazon ships everywhere in the us, so if u need one there it is in stock.

I get your point though

Sure amazon has them, but I am not going to spend on $300 dollars on something that comes through the mail and I know I am not the only one. I don't trust the UPS, FedEx or USPS with a package of that value. I want to buy it where I am the one transporting it.

I live in Tenn and there is not a single store in a 50 mile radius that has had these for months. Isolated is small areas, when it is an entire state or bigger areas, it isn't isolated.

And looking on Amazon, it would seem they are basically already sold out.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2017 1:15 PM

I think that they are. Rumors are that the switch game will come out Holiday 2018.

LyokoGirl5000 August 19th, 2017 1:16 PM

Since they announced core series games for the Switch, I think Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will be the last core Pokemon games for the 3DS. I'm not sure if they plan on releasing another spin off like Mystery Dungeon or not.

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9735371)
I disagree with you. GF do what they want and not have to sink low to fanservice. They are better than that. Give them more credit than that.

It isn't a bad thing to put fanservice in games. It's supposed to make the experience more enjoyable. Besides, it's pretty much industry standard at this point xD

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 2:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735428)
It isn't a bad thing to put fanservice in games. It's supposed to make the experience more enjoyable. Besides, it's pretty much industry standard at this point xD

I don't like it. I want GF to do what they want and not what fans want. Imagine everything that every fans want jammed into the game. It becomes a huge mess that the games can't recover from.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9735400)
Sure amazon has them, but I am not going to spend on $300 dollars on something that comes through the mail and I know I am not the only one. I don't trust the UPS, FedEx or USPS with a package of that value. I want to buy it where I am the one transporting it.

I live in Tenn and there is not a single store in a 50 mile radius that has had these for months. Isolated is small areas, when it is an entire state or bigger areas, it isn't isolated.

And looking on Amazon, it would seem they are basically already sold out.

Beggars can't be choosers, UPS has yet to ruin anything for me. I'm Just trying to justify a point.

Its not a personal issue, the Switch is selling very well, but user adoption will have to rise more before making a switch exclusive main series game feasible. As I said in the original post, I own a switch, and would love to have the game on it, but its just not reasonable yet.

5M sales is on par with another Home console, the PS4, which was plagued with even more massive shortages, as demand was much higher.

OP asked if people think this will be the last game on the 3DS. I believe there is at least one more game on the 3DS due to the Switch market not being large enough to support an exclusive title, which I wrote, and backed up with sales data.

I already said that my view of supply is anecdotal, but so is everybody else's until Nintendo releases a detailed report on the topic (if they ever do).

My point is that switch sales are not high enough to support an exclusive title. Sales are a number of units sold, not number of people that want one. Sales will continue to rise, it is just a question of if they are able to reach a high enough before the development cycle starts. They might release it due to willingness to take a loss, or massive Nintendo funding, but thats a diffeent discussion. Besides, the fact that im seeing many people complain about not owning a switch due to lack of supply only further proves my point that GF has no incentive to develop for the switch exclusively until user count rises, because the fact stands that not enough people have the switch.

EDIT: Here is Nintendo's Q2 2017 Earnings Release: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726e.pdf. Interesting read if you are curious about sales.

Altairis August 19th, 2017 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735303)

It's not in stock lmao so is this proving my point or....

edit: the neon only has 2 in stock for a major, newly released this year console. and a town with a population of 6,000 having Switches in stock vs the sf bay area with 7 million people with a ton of money not having anything in weeks proves nothing cause you just said it's expensive so the people who would buy it there are less. so I don't get your point at all.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735444)
It's not in stock lmao so is this proving my point or....

lol thats kinda funny, it was in stock for me when I posted. At least I never said demand was low lol.

Dont strawman my arguement, read the post above if you are confused about my point. :)

EDIT: I'm in Denver now and I just called the closest Walmart, who has 2 in stock. I can get you one if you want to pay me a 25% handling fee B)

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 4:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9735438)
I don't like it. I want GF to do what they want and not what fans want. Imagine everything that every fans want jammed into the game. It becomes a huge mess that the games can't recover from.

luckily for you, that's not how it works. There are deadlines, hardware limitations, and of course, no matter how much fans ask, there are certain features they would never add (For example, they're gonna keep the rating down to E)

pixelani August 19th, 2017 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735442)
Beggars can't be choosers, UPS has yet to ruin anything for me. I'm Just trying to justify a point.

Its not a personal issue, the Switch is selling very well, but user adoption will have to rise more before making a switch exclusive main series game feasible. As I said in the original post, I own a switch, and would love to have the game on it, but its just not reasonable yet.

5M sales is on par with another Home console, the PS4, which was plagued with even more massive shortages, as demand was much higher.

OP asked if people think this will be the last game on the 3DS. I believe there is at least one more game on the 3DS due to the Switch market not being large enough to support an exclusive title, which I wrote, and backed up with sales data.

I already said that my view of supply is anecdotal, but so is everybody else's until Nintendo releases a detailed report on the topic (if they ever do).

My point is that switch sales are not high enough to support an exclusive title. Sales are a number of units sold, not number of people that want one. Sales will continue to rise, it is just a question of if they are able to reach a high enough before the development cycle starts. They might release it due to willingness to take a loss, or massive Nintendo funding, but thats a diffeent discussion. Besides, the fact that im seeing many people complain about not owning a switch due to lack of supply only further proves my point that GF has no incentive to develop for the switch exclusively until user count rises, because the fact stands that not enough people have the switch.

EDIT: Here is Nintendo's Q2 2017 Earnings Release: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726e.pdf. Interesting read if you are curious about sales.

Was demand really all that much higher for the PS4, though? First year sales were a bit under 18.5 million, slightly lower than projected demand for the Switch in its first year.

Regardless, there will be enough uptake by the time the next title comes out that none of this is really an issue. A new title would absolutely not come out until at least the holiday season of next year, at which point we could see the sales figures rise to around 30 million or so, if Nintendo's own projections hold true.

That's not just enough to launch a main series exclusive game - or set of games - but enough to see pretty massive sales of that game, too. We already know that such a game is in production, and the chance of it being released on multiple Nintendo platforms is really, really low. I love the 3DS line and I advocate for it pretty strongly - on other forums, I've argued that there's no reason to expect that it will be cut off from support in 2018. However, it's been around for over six years now, so it's just about near the end of its life cycle - they're probably not going to keep releasing main series titles on it. Support for it will probably reach end of life status in mid-to-late 2019, so releasing a main series game in 2018 just won't really work all that well.

As for the possibility of a multi-platform release, that would really only have worked this year. You have to hit at the right time, in the middle of a transition, like Breath of the Wild did - and we saw that it had to be right at the beginning of the newer console's life span to sell decently cross-platform. It's not something I think Nintendo does all that often, and there's probably a good reason for that!

I think we should look at the Switch as an opportunity with this series. While the series has grown and evolved over the years, it became apparent with Sun and Moon that its starting to outgrow the smaller platforms that it has historically occupied - and that's a direct parallel to the handheld consoles kind of being phased out if the hybrid Switch is successful. The series needs more space to showcase its world, and a platform to dive deeper into the storytelling and lore that started to see some really great expansion as the 3DS generations continued. The Switch, as both a home console and a handheld console, is the perfect Pokemon console, and you can bet they'll want to show us what they can do with it!

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735445)
lol thats kinda funny, it was in stock for me when I posted. At least I never said demand was low lol.

Dont strawman my arguement, read the post above if you are confused about my point. :)

EDIT: I'm in Denver now and I just called the closest Walmart, who has 2 in stock. I can get you one if you want to pay me a 25% handling fee B)

A lot of people are also waiting for either:

A) More games (Mario Odyssey :p)
B) A bundle with more games

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735484)
luckily for you, that's not how it works. There are deadlines, hardware limitations, and of course, no matter how much fans ask, there are certain features they would never add (For example, they're gonna keep the rating down to E)

Don't tell me how it works. I refuse to believe fanservice plays apart. Agree to disagree and move on already.

Desert Stream~ August 20th, 2017 8:21 AM

About the switch not having enough sales:
Consoles are less likely to get lost/broken then handhelds
A lot of people buy 2 handhelds, or each member of the family gets one, but they only get 1 console.

clbgolden August 20th, 2017 8:39 AM

Why do the Switch sales even matter at this point? They're already developing Pokémon Switch, so they're probably content with how the system is doing, otherwise gen 8 would be for 3DS.


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