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Desert Stream~ August 16th, 2017 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733420)
Not an issue. Remake won't be connected to sequel since sequel is gen five.

USUM seems like typical third versions for some but i don't think they end the generation and 3DS pokemon games like that.

ok you're really confusing me. First you say you're 100% sure that USUM is the last game, now you say you don't think they'll end the 3ds series?

And are you saying that B2W2 won't get a remake, or that the remake will be B2/B, and W2/W?

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 1:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733435)
ok you're really confusing me. First you say you're 100% sure that USUM is the last game, now you say you don't think they'll end the 3ds series?

And are you saying that B2W2 won't get a remake, or that the remake will be B2/B, and W2/W?

No, i am saying they are not gonna finish the 3DS pokemon games with a typical third version. I am saying they should end it big with USUM.

B2W2 probably won't get remakes. Third versions don't get remakes so sequels may not get remakes either.

Hikamaru August 17th, 2017 6:31 AM

Figured time to break up the argument with something. Shigeru Ohmori hinted that main series Pokemon games tend to take three years' worth of development, so if the Switch game that Game Freak are working on is the first game of 8th Gen, I probably don't see it coming until 2019.

So, be prepared for a gap year next year.

RedJ August 17th, 2017 8:38 AM

I don't think the Switch game(s) are too far along in development since the Switch is a new system and so far we only have a confirmation that it's happening and was likely announced way ahead of time because of the backlash from the announcement that US/UM would be on the 3DS (despite all of the complaints about the opposite happening...), so I could see them making one last set of games for the 3DS if only to keep the money coming in while they work on whatever they're doing for the Switch.

It just depends on what Game Freak decides to do and if Nintendo is willing to let them do it.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 9:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733506)
No, i am saying they are not gonna finish the 3DS pokemon games with a typical third version. I am saying they should end it big with USUM.

B2W2 probably won't get remakes. Third versions don't get remakes so sequels may not get remakes either.

Ok, I get you now. I still must disagree though, as this is a terrible idea from a buisness standpoint. Black 2 and White 2 were better recieved in the community (critics reviewed the originals better for some reason) and I'm sure there would be backlash if they remade one set of games and not the other. I know I would be upset.


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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9733636)
Figured time to break up the argument with something. Shigeru Ohmori hinted that main series Pokemon games tend to take three years' worth of development, so if the Switch game that Game Freak are working on is the first game of 8th Gen, I probably don't see it coming until 2019.

So, be prepared for a gap year next year.

Eh, not suprised. There was a gap between ORAS and S/M iirc.

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Originally Posted by RedJ (Post 9733738)
I don't think the Switch game(s) are too far along in development since the Switch is a new system and so far we only have a confirmation that it's happening and was likely announced way ahead of time because of the backlash from the announcement that US/UM would be on the 3DS (despite all of the complaints about the opposite happening...), so I could see them making one last set of games for the 3DS if only to keep the money coming in while they work on whatever they're doing for the Switch.

It just depends on what Game Freak decides to do and if Nintendo is willing to let them do it.

Hm, I wouldn't be suprised if they have a solid years worth of work done already. I'm pretty sure most second party developers would be granted access to the development kits and such, although it is possible that this was announced way earlier then they intended.

It's a shame that GF has to deal with impatient fans who fail to realize that they're not gonna scrap all the current assets and make brand new ones mid generation just so they can put it on a different console.

WingsofBliss August 17th, 2017 3:15 PM

I don't see where people are getting the idea that they announced the Switch game recently because of supposed backlash from USUM silence. That's insinuating that Game Freak mindlessly catered to needless complaining, and that's not how they work. When are people gonna learn to be patient? Seriously, the majority of the responses from butthurt fans is getting asinine.

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733756)
Ok, I get you now. I still must disagree though, as this is a terrible idea from a buisness standpoint. Black 2 and White 2 were better recieved in the community (critics reviewed the originals better for some reason) and I'm sure there would be backlash if they remade one set of games and not the other. I know I would be upset.



Eh, not suprised. There was a gap between ORAS and S/M iirc.



Hm, I wouldn't be suprised if they have a solid years worth of work done already. I'm pretty sure most second party developers would be granted access to the development kits and such, although it is possible that this was announced way earlier then they intended.

It's a shame that GF has to deal with impatient fans who fail to realize that they're not gonna scrap all the current assets and make brand new ones mid generation just so they can put it on a different console.

How is it a terrible idea? Remaking BW is no different to the others. You think Yellow, Crystal and Emerald got remakes? No they did not. So B2W2 won't either.

However, they could put some things from B2W2 into BW remakes. Lets not forget that alternate universes exist so something like that can work.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733936)
How is it a terrible idea? Remaking BW is no different to the others. You think Yellow, Crystal and Emerald got remakes? No they did not. So B2W2 won't either.

However, they could put some things from B2W2 into BW remakes. Lets not forget that alternate universes exist so something like that can work.

Third versions are not the same as sequels. A third version is a similar storyline with minor differences, which are easy to incorporate into a remake. A sequel is a completely different storyline, set in a modified version of the region, with tons of new pokemon in the regional pokedex, the gym leaders, the elite 4 and champion have all changed, the main characters are different, your rival is different, etc. tell me this- how are you gonna combine all the features from B2W2 into a remake of the originals?

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733965)
Third versions are not the same as sequels. A third version is a similar storyline with minor differences, which are easy to incorporate into a remake. A sequel is a completely different storyline, set in a modified version of the region, with tons of new pokemon in the regional pokedex, the gym leaders, the elite 4 and champion have all changed, the main characters are different, your rival is different, etc. tell me this- how are you gonna combine all the features from B2W2 into a remake of the originals?

Like i said - alternate universe. BW remakes could have events happen a bit further than the originals. Look at ORAS - it already had plans for a BF even though R/S had the battle tower.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 6:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9733990)
Like i said - alternate universe. BW remakes could have events happen a bit further than the originals. Look at ORAS - it already had plans for a BF even though R/S had the battle tower.

Yes but I don't see how you're gonna sneak in an entire game's worth of content that way.

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9733992)
Yes but I don't see how you're gonna sneak in an entire game's worth of content that way.

Not all of it. Just enough to remind fans about B2W2. sequels may be different to third versions but they still in the same region. First games always take priority over the third version/sequel.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734002)
Not all of it. Just enough to remind fans about B2W2. sequels may be different to third versions but they still in the same region. First games always take priority over the third version/sequel.

Thing is, reminding fans about B2W2 isn't enough, because most people who buy a remake buy it because they never got to play the original, so the target audience isn't gonna be reminded of anything + they're gonna be salty because they never got to experience the B2W2 storyline.

Also we haven't had a remake of a sequel yet, so you're just making assumptions.

Alexander18 August 17th, 2017 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734018)
Thing is, reminding fans about B2W2 isn't enough, because most people who buy a remake buy it because they never got to play the original, so the target audience isn't gonna be reminded of anything + they're gonna be salty because they never got to experience the B2W2 storyline.

Also we haven't had a remake of a sequel yet, so you're just making assumptions.

It is enough if GF says it is enough. BW can get remade but not for a good long while. I don't see a problem with it and never will.

Desert Stream~ August 17th, 2017 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734067)
It is enough if GF says it is enough. BW can get remade but not for a good long while. I don't see a problem with it and never will.

Alright, let's go with that then.

blue August 18th, 2017 4:10 AM

Hey guys, just jumping in to remind you to stay on topic please. This thread is about discussing the potential of Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon being the last games on the 3DS rather than the discussion of Black and White remakes.

Lunos August 18th, 2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DmitritheDitto (Post 9732519)
Will USUM be the last pokemon game for the 3ds?

Prolly nope. It wouldn't surprise me if the Switch Versions became the focus though.
Kind of the relation that Consoles and PC ever had, Switch's Version will prolly be the superior/most pretty one and the 3DS one will keep walking on the same route it has been walking on, with its small resolution, ugly graphical quality, frame drops, etc.
Unless Nintendo decided to make a replacement for it, that is.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9733900)
I don't see where people are getting the idea that they announced the Switch game recently because of supposed backlash from USUM silence. That's insinuating that Game Freak mindlessly catered to needless complaining, and that's not how they work. When are people gonna learn to be patient? Seriously, the majority of the responses from butthurt fans is getting asinine.

Well it does seem odd that they would announce a game for the switch before the games before it were even released, not to mention that the timing is pretty suspicious.

Phyrrhic August 18th, 2017 12:18 PM

I dont see why they would be.

The Switch simply is not popular enough (~5m sales compared to the ~19m of the 3ds over the same time period) to make a main series game for, it wouldnt sell well.

This coupled with the higher development cost with a more complex system, it would be too much of a risk to make it switch exclusive.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9734608)
I dont see why they would be.

The Switch simply is not popular enough (~5m sales compared to the ~19m of the 3ds over the same time period) to make a main series game for, it wouldnt sell well.

This coupled with the higher development cost with a more complex system, it would be too much of a risk to make it switch exclusive.

The switch actually is doing really well, the main reason sales are so low is because of supply issues. And don't forget, the switch games are a few years away, by that time it will have sold much more.

Altairis August 18th, 2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RedJ (Post 9733738)
I don't think the Switch game(s) are too far along in development since the Switch is a new system and so far we only have a confirmation that it's happening and was likely announced way ahead of time because of the backlash from the announcement that US/UM would be on the 3DS (despite all of the complaints about the opposite happening...), so I could see them making one last set of games for the 3DS if only to keep the money coming in while they work on whatever they're doing for the Switch.

It just depends on what Game Freak decides to do and if Nintendo is willing to let them do it.

"Switch is a new system" but.... they don't wait for the system to come out first...... we have games released alongside the system, meaning it was available to the developers early.... so this could have been going for years at max as long as they had the system

They announced it early because of USUM being on 3DS backlash..? I don't think I understand

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9734608)
I dont see why they would be.

The Switch simply is not popular enough (~5m sales compared to the ~19m of the 3ds over the same time period) to make a main series game for, it wouldnt sell well.

This coupled with the higher development cost with a more complex system, it would be too much of a risk to make it switch exclusive.

They have supply issues because they are competing with Apple (at least in the US) for a chip only manufactured by one company. Or so I was told.

In my area, a super large city, GameStop had to do preorders in July because they hadn't receieved any Switches in month and only expected to get a few. Toys R Us hadn't received any since launch. Best Buy and Target hadn't received any in weeks and then only a few. There are mutiples of each in my area and I called ones 1 hour away. Trust me I called them all lol.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9734637)
"Switch is a new system" but.... they don't wait for the system to come out first...... we have games released alongside the system, meaning it was available to the developers early.... so this could have been going for years at max as long as they had the system

They announced it early because of USUM being on 3DS backlash..? I don't think I understand

some people are speculating the reason they announced pokemon on the switch so early is to appease fans who were salty over pokemon USUM not being on the switch

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734638)
some people are speculating the reason they announced pokemon on the switch so early is to appease fans who were salty over pokemon USUM not being on the switch

They are wrong. It has nothing to do with appeasing fans. It is about moving on from the 3DS and letting people know. People who are salty need to understand that GF is not there to fill their wishlist. GF makes games to make money.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734697)
They are wrong. It has nothing to do with appeasing fans. It is about moving on from the 3DS and letting people know. People who are salty need to understand that GF is not there to fill their wishlist. GF makes games to make money.

Gamefreak won't make money if they don't do things fans like, because then only hardcore fans will buy the games. The massive difference in sales between each game shows that casual fans of the series might not buy games they're not interested in. And you have no way of knowing what Gamefreak is thinking. Neither do we. It's speculation.

Phyrrhic August 18th, 2017 2:47 PM

The supply shortages were only a major issue at launch (like all new big name tech), and although they still exist to a smaller degree, that doesnt warrant 75% less sales. I might also add that the 3DS had a similar supply issue at launch.
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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734627)
And don't forget, the switch games are a few years away, by that time it will have sold much more.

The comparison was for sales over the same time period, being pre-orders plus two quarters of sales. Nintendo's sales estimates (prior to launch/supply problems) were 20m units sold by Q2 2018, compared to the 31m 3DS units sold over the same period.

The 5m switch units sold, compared to the 67m of the 3DS should force GF to not develop for the switch until it has a much larger user base. Sales would be severely limited, lowering revenue, coupled with the costs of developing for the new system, lowering profits. From a monetary standpoint, GF should not be making a switch exclusive game for at least another development cycle.

I have a Switch, and would love to have a main series game on it, but im just being realistic. I wouldnt mind some of the more obscure Pokemon titles i.e. Pokemon Ranger being released, as it wouldnt be as risky as making the main series Switch only.

EDIT: I might add that GF is a company, their only goal is to make money, not to innovate for the sake of innovation. Selling on the switch only would be a terrible buisness choice. It is only a vocal minority of fans who want games on the switch, as the switch user base is currently a minority in the Nintendo ecosystem.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 2:56 PM

I think that they're trying to phase out the 3ds and move to the switch. Nintendo said they'd support the 3ds, but for how long? Who knows. It could be 5 years. It could be 1 year. But either way, It's gonna end eventually.


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