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clbgolden August 18th, 2017 3:13 PM

I normally don't like saying things with 99% certainty, buttttttt

These are probably gonna be the last Pokémon games on 3DS. GF says they want the new Pokémon Switch out by next year at the earliest, so they most likely aren't even working on anything else except USUM and the upcoming Switch game. At best we might get a spin-off or something.

pixelani August 18th, 2017 6:24 PM

The only other thing that would likely come this generation would be Diamond and Pearl remakes, but a lot of people think it's too early for that. Additionally, there's already a Switch title well into development and it's unlikely they'd confirm a game that comes out after another still-unannounced title, before still another set has yet to be released. That's just too much - and besides, they have yet to release two sets of remakes on one console.

It's almost a sure bet that the next title will be on the Switch and that no more 3DS titles are coming.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 6:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734708)
Gamefreak won't make money if they don't do things fans like, because then only hardcore fans will buy the games. The massive difference in sales between each game shows that casual fans of the series might not buy games they're not interested in. And you have no way of knowing what Gamefreak is thinking. Neither do we. It's speculation.

Never said i know what GF is thinking. GF does not owe the fans anything. They are not gonna fill every single wishlist the fans has. It is not what we want. It is what GF wants.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734840)
Never said i know what GF is thinking. GF does not owe the fans anything. They are not gonna fill every single wishlist the fans has. It is not what we want. It is what GF wants.

Of course they're not gonna do everything, it wouldn't be their game otherwise, but they certainly pay attention the the community and what they want.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734857)
Of course they're not gonna do everything, it wouldn't be their game otherwise, but they certainly pay attention the the community and what they want.

GF should make their games the way they want. Not what fans want. Fans have no say in the matter.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734886)
GF should make their games the way they want. Not what fans want. Fans have no say in the matter.

Maybe they should, but that's not how it works. More fanservice = more money.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734891)
Maybe they should, but that's not how it works. More fanservice = more money.

Fanservice is irrelevent. GF will make games regardless of the fans.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734904)
Fanservice is irrelevent. GF will make games regardless of the fans.

But they can't make games without money, which comes from the fans. Why do you think they pander kanto so much? Why do you think there are features like following pokemon and customization? Why do you think they market their products? Why do you think there are features like Poke Amie, or battle frontiers? Because they felt like it? No, it's so people will actually buy their products..............

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734911)
But they can't make games without money, which comes from the fans. Why do you think they pander kanto so much? Why do you think there are features like following pokemon and customization? Why do you think they market their products? Why do you think there are features like Poke Amie, or battle frontiers? Because they felt like it? No, it's so people will actually buy their products..............

I don't think so. GF does what they want in the end. I don't buy fan service for a second.

DmitritheDitto August 19th, 2017 3:50 AM

I agree with Alexander,Fanservice is a bunch of baloney.Never think a company listens to their fans in the end it comes down to GF to decide.

Iceshadow3317 August 19th, 2017 7:07 AM

There are a few things to consider, I think 8th Gen will be on Switch, but I don't know if there will be another game or not.

We will either have a break for a year, meaning no main series game in 2018.
We will have another main series game on the 3ds next year, which would be a remake of something.

And finally, if they choose to bring out a Switch Game next year, then they need to make sure Nintendo is mass produceing the Switch, because....... I haven't seen a Switch in stores since a week after its release.

So, bringing a pokemon game out when there isn't enough consoles is a very bad move.

Altairis August 19th, 2017 7:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9734718)
The supply shortages were only a major issue at launch (like all new big name tech), and although they still exist to a smaller degree, that doesnt warrant 75% less sales. I might also add that the 3DS had a similar supply issue at launch.

The comparison was for sales over the same time period, being pre-orders plus two quarters of sales. Nintendo's sales estimates (prior to launch/supply problems) were 20m units sold by Q2 2018, compared to the 31m 3DS units sold over the same period.

The 5m switch units sold, compared to the 67m of the 3DS should force GF to not develop for the switch until it has a much larger user base. Sales would be severely limited, lowering revenue, coupled with the costs of developing for the new system, lowering profits. From a monetary standpoint, GF should not be making a switch exclusive game for at least another development cycle.

I have a Switch, and would love to have a main series game on it, but im just being realistic. I wouldnt mind some of the more obscure Pokemon titles i.e. Pokemon Ranger being released, as it wouldnt be as risky as making the main series Switch only.

EDIT: I might add that GF is a company, their only goal is to make money, not to innovate for the sake of innovation. Selling on the switch only would be a terrible buisness choice. It is only a vocal minority of fans who want games on the switch, as the switch user base is currently a minority in the Nintendo ecosystem.

But it took me two weeks to find a Switch last month, my friend called the stores yesterday and they still haven't received any in weeks. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to helping people get Switches because they're still hard to find. So I'm not sure where your first paragraph claim is coming from when people are still having issues in huge areas with almost a million people in one city + more from the surrounding areas. Theoretically places in NYC and SF would have them in stock right?

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734922)
I don't think so. GF does what they want in the end. I don't buy fan service for a second.

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Originally Posted by DmitritheDitto (Post 9735139)
I agree with Alexander,Fanservice is a bunch of baloney.Never think a company listens to their fans in the end it comes down to GF to decide.

As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.

pixelani August 19th, 2017 9:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735230)
As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.

Not to mention the fact that an essential part of marketing is understanding demand and brand image. They might not always have great ideas or give fans anything useful, but more often than not they pay attention to what their audience is saying. That's just good business practice, and neither The Pokemon Company nor Game Freak are exempt from that.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735225)
But it took me two weeks to find a Switch last month, my friend called the stores yesterday and they still haven't received any in weeks. There's an entire subreddit dedicated to helping people get Switches because they're still hard to find. So I'm not sure where your first paragraph claim is coming from when people are still having issues in huge areas with almost a million people in one city + more from the surrounding areas. Theoretically places in NYC and SF would have them in stock right?

Thats an isolated supply issue. If supply was met in those urban areas it would only increase the user base by at most 150,000 and im being super generous.

If you want a switch, go to the Walmart in Avon, CO. They had like 6 in the cabinet a few weeks ago, and your situation is anecdotal, and as I said in my first post, supply issues exist, but not a 15m unit shortage. Maybe 1m at most.

Its important to remember, the console costs $300 if you are lucky. This is not affordable to a majority of the Nintendo user base, which is the market that the 3DS fulfills. Most people would save the extra $100 and get a brand new, much more robust console from Microsoft or Sony.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 10:06 AM

also here: https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Switch-Gray-Joy-Con/dp/B01LTHP2ZK?th=1

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735303)

I wouldn't call it an isolated issue. It shouldn't be news when a new shipment comes in.

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735230)
As Phyrrhic said a while up, Gamefreak is a company. They need to make money, and they will do whatever it takes. Do you think they make third versions for no reason? It's so they can make more money. Every game they make, they make with the intent of getting money. They're not ROM hackers. They don't make games for fun. It's these people's jobs. They need to pay their employees, and they need to have enough revenue coming in, especially during times when no games are being releases, that they can actually pay them.

Pokemon Go brought lots of old fans back. Around that time they announced alolan forms for 5 kanto pokemon. Coincidence? No, it's marketing. Honestly, fanservice isn't even what fans want half the time. Fanservice =/= doing everything the way that the fans want. Fanservice is putting features in that will sell.

I disagree with you. GF do what they want and not have to sink low to fanservice. They are better than that. Give them more credit than that.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735305)
I wouldn't call it an isolated issue. It shouldn't be news when a new shipment comes in.

Its an isolated issue. Which means that its an issue in isolated areas.

But amazon ships everywhere in the us, so if u need one there it is in stock.

I get your point though

Iceshadow3317 August 19th, 2017 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Phyrrhic (Post 9735391)
Its an isolated issue. Which means that its an issue in isolated areas.

But amazon ships everywhere in the us, so if u need one there it is in stock.

I get your point though

Sure amazon has them, but I am not going to spend on $300 dollars on something that comes through the mail and I know I am not the only one. I don't trust the UPS, FedEx or USPS with a package of that value. I want to buy it where I am the one transporting it.

I live in Tenn and there is not a single store in a 50 mile radius that has had these for months. Isolated is small areas, when it is an entire state or bigger areas, it isn't isolated.

And looking on Amazon, it would seem they are basically already sold out.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2017 1:15 PM

I think that they are. Rumors are that the switch game will come out Holiday 2018.

LyokoGirl5000 August 19th, 2017 1:16 PM

Since they announced core series games for the Switch, I think Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon will be the last core Pokemon games for the 3DS. I'm not sure if they plan on releasing another spin off like Mystery Dungeon or not.

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9735371)
I disagree with you. GF do what they want and not have to sink low to fanservice. They are better than that. Give them more credit than that.

It isn't a bad thing to put fanservice in games. It's supposed to make the experience more enjoyable. Besides, it's pretty much industry standard at this point xD

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735428)
It isn't a bad thing to put fanservice in games. It's supposed to make the experience more enjoyable. Besides, it's pretty much industry standard at this point xD

I don't like it. I want GF to do what they want and not what fans want. Imagine everything that every fans want jammed into the game. It becomes a huge mess that the games can't recover from.

Phyrrhic August 19th, 2017 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9735400)
Sure amazon has them, but I am not going to spend on $300 dollars on something that comes through the mail and I know I am not the only one. I don't trust the UPS, FedEx or USPS with a package of that value. I want to buy it where I am the one transporting it.

I live in Tenn and there is not a single store in a 50 mile radius that has had these for months. Isolated is small areas, when it is an entire state or bigger areas, it isn't isolated.

And looking on Amazon, it would seem they are basically already sold out.

Beggars can't be choosers, UPS has yet to ruin anything for me. I'm Just trying to justify a point.

Its not a personal issue, the Switch is selling very well, but user adoption will have to rise more before making a switch exclusive main series game feasible. As I said in the original post, I own a switch, and would love to have the game on it, but its just not reasonable yet.

5M sales is on par with another Home console, the PS4, which was plagued with even more massive shortages, as demand was much higher.

OP asked if people think this will be the last game on the 3DS. I believe there is at least one more game on the 3DS due to the Switch market not being large enough to support an exclusive title, which I wrote, and backed up with sales data.

I already said that my view of supply is anecdotal, but so is everybody else's until Nintendo releases a detailed report on the topic (if they ever do).

My point is that switch sales are not high enough to support an exclusive title. Sales are a number of units sold, not number of people that want one. Sales will continue to rise, it is just a question of if they are able to reach a high enough before the development cycle starts. They might release it due to willingness to take a loss, or massive Nintendo funding, but thats a diffeent discussion. Besides, the fact that im seeing many people complain about not owning a switch due to lack of supply only further proves my point that GF has no incentive to develop for the switch exclusively until user count rises, because the fact stands that not enough people have the switch.

EDIT: Here is Nintendo's Q2 2017 Earnings Release: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170726e.pdf. Interesting read if you are curious about sales.


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