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HeroLinik August 18th, 2017 5:59 AM

The new Alola region!
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHg_ayXU0AAtvPb.jpg

Things...look interesting. There's a rift above Poni Island not unlike those seen while soaring in OR/AS and the overworld has an orangey, sunset-ish tinge. What could those mean? Something tells me the rift will involve a legendary of some kind.

Nah August 18th, 2017 6:06 AM

The rift above Poni Island is likely the portal to the Ultra Dimension/Ultra Space that we went through in Sun/Moon, the positioning seems about right for it. Hopefully that indicates a greatly expanded Ultra Space for us to play through.....it was pretty disappointing in S/M.

Don't really think the map being at sunset/sunrise really means much though

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 6:28 AM

I'm probably looking way too much into this, and I hate to bring the clouds back into this, but...



Does this cloud look like Kommo-o to anyone else? There also looks like there's something next it, that doesn't really look like a cloud... It's more than likely than nothing, but mildly interesting.

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 6:54 AM

Like Nah, I think that dark cloud above Poni Island might be an Ultra Wormhole. Hopefully this will mean an expanded Ultra Space, because it was disappointing in S/M.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 6:57 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734365)
I'm probably looking way too much into this, and I hate to bring the clouds back into this, but...



Does this cloud look like Kommo-o to anyone else? There also looks like there's something next it, that doesn't really look like a cloud... It's more than likely than nothing, but mildly interesting.

I don't really see it, but I'm bad at things like these xD
also that's a boat.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 7:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734395)
I don't really see it, but I'm bad at things like these xD
also that's a boat.

Not the boat, there's something to the right of the cloud (probably should've been more specific XP).

It's probably absolutely nothing, but now I can't unsee.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9734400)
Not the boat, there's something to the right of the cloud (probably should've been more specific XP).

It's probably absolutely nothing, but now I can't unsee.

Unless I'm blind, and the thing is painfully obvious, I think that's just a weird cloud shape.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 7:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734406)
Unless I'm blind, and the thing is painfully obvious, I think that's just a weird cloud shape.

Yeah, like I said it's probably nothing. I just noticed it and wanted to see if anyone else saw it as well.

Reedneed45 August 18th, 2017 7:38 AM

If you take a look at the original Alolan map from S/M and look and take a look at the USM map that little island behind Akala isn't covered up anymore. (Clouds are covering it in the original SM artwork) Am I overthinking this? I don't think it was an accessible area in SM.

HeroLinik August 18th, 2017 7:43 AM

I've also just noticed something. If you look at Brooklet Hill in the original map, you'll see the fountain-esque design, where all the water appears to trickle down, but here there doesn't seem to be any water. What could this be representing?

Reedneed45 August 18th, 2017 7:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9734435)
I've also just noticed something. If you look at Brooklet Hill in the original map, you'll see the fountain-esque design, where all the water appears to trickle down, but here there doesn't seem to be any water. What could this be representing?

You're right, it looks like it's all dried up. Maybe there's an artificial dam blocking the way, or possibly a Pokemon? I suppose maybe an extreme drought, but I personally doubt that.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 8:22 AM

in the area around the rift, the water is the normal blue color. What if the hole thingy takes you to an alternate version of alola?

Pyrax August 18th, 2017 8:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9734435)
I've also just noticed something. If you look at Brooklet Hill in the original map, you'll see the fountain-esque design, where all the water appears to trickle down, but here there doesn't seem to be any water. What could this be representing?

Another thing I noticed about Akala is that the volcanos are also no longer spouting smoke. Something could be affecting Alola's ecosystem and environment.

HeroLinik August 18th, 2017 8:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9734464)
in the area around the rift, the water is the normal blue color.

It's also the case in the waters south of Ula'ula as well. In fact, the entire southern half has the normal blue colour for the water. Is this meant to represent something?

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 8:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9734469)
It's also the case in the waters south of Ula'ula as well. In fact, the entire southern half has the normal blue colour for the water. Is this meant to represent something?

I think it's just that the rift and Lanakila are blocking the sunset's reflection, so the water looks normal.

HeroLinik August 18th, 2017 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyrax (Post 9734468)
Something could be affecting Alola's ecosystem and environment.

This could potentially be a cue for Zygarde to come into the plot, because according to its Pokedex entries it becomes enraged when the ecosystem becomes affected in a substantial way, and reveals its secret power, which is quite possibly its Complete Forme. I hope this happens and that you actually get to battle Zygarde this time around, because the Zygarde collection quest was very tedious and poorly-done.

Pyrax August 18th, 2017 9:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9734473)
This could potentially be a cue for Zygarde to come into the plot, because according to its Pokedex entries it becomes enraged when the ecosystem becomes affected in a substantial way, and reveals its secret power, which is quite possibly its Complete Forme.

That would certainly be much better than SM's Zygarde quest. It could even be a game-spanning side quest running concurrent with the main plot.

blue August 18th, 2017 11:04 AM

I love the colour scheme of the map, while there isn't much different it looks miles better than the original imo. That purple void above Poni Island has a striking resemblance to the one above Mt. Coronet.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 12:18 PM

Apart from the purple void, the region looks the same to me. Can't see new areas. Disappoinment growing.

HeroLinik August 18th, 2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734609)
Apart from the purple void, the region looks the same to me. Can't see new areas. Disappoinment growing.

Well, I found this, which kinda disproves your point. From what's here, there's like 15 differences that this guy's found between the original Alola and this Alola.

Reedneed45 August 18th, 2017 12:34 PM

What are those things near Ula Ula Island? At first I thought they might be rocks but they aren't in the original map artwork. And they look pretty big to be fish or birds unless they're Wailord or Wailmer.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9734625)
Well, I found this, which kinda disproves your point. From what's here, there's like 15 differences that this guy's found between the original Alola and this Alola.

I think they are just clutching at straws. I wouldn't buy into that. Not yet anyway.

HeroLinik August 18th, 2017 2:47 PM

Anyway, I just discovered something rather...disturbing about the Alola map. According to this new Alola map, a few sinister, ecological-related issues seem to be cropping up, and we don't know why these things are happening.

Well, first off, the water in Malie Garden appears to have dried off:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241214786308669440/348231717628280833/image.png

Also, on a somewhat similar note, the water in Brooklet Hill has dried up, like I mentioned in a previous post:

https://i.imgur.com/1awHq5k.png

But looking on the other side of the spectrum, it seems like the Wela Volcano has become dormant, yet in the previous game it was active and smoking:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241214786308669440/348233219511943168/image.png

While Alola has changed a lot though, I couldn't help but examine those three things, because they seem to be somewhat...familiar if you've played R/S/E and noted down Team Magma/Aqua's goals at trying to dry the ocean/expand the ocean respectively. Is this too much of a coincidence, or is something going wrong with the ecosystem in Alola? Is this a hint at bigger things to come? It was also said that Zygarde appears when a region's ecosystem is disturbed, so could this be a hint at Zygarde, perhaps eliminating the collection quest?

Iceshadow3317 August 18th, 2017 4:23 PM

Most people have pointed out things, that I could spot. But there are a few new things. Ones known though are:

Volcano's are no longer smoking on Akala.
Brooklet Hill is dry.
The rift which there is almost no doubt in Ultra Space.
Water in the garden on Big Island is dry. Or some is.

Others things I see are these things:
~ School of Wailords of Wishiwashi just south of Akala.
~ There is a new beach with a building or cave on Akala Island, just north of the port building.
~ Multiple buildings have different color roofs.
~ There is a new building on the beach on the east side of Big Island.
~ The water at the Lake of Moon/Sun is dry
~ The Islands are larger on the Northside of Melemele in the hidden area that we get to from a cave.
~ New beach area with a cave or something on Melemele that is behind the Hotel.
~ There is a new building in the main city on Melemele where the empty spot was.


That is all the changes I can see. However, I will say that a lot of the "dry spots" where water was could be them trying to depict the color of the water in a sunset and it could just look dry. I think the only really dry spot currently in Brooklet Hill, even though I think there is water still there. If it was dry, it would be all that light grey color, but there is a color difference.. And although I can see the Garden thing, I don't know why only half would be gone, especially when it goes in like a circle.

clbgolden August 18th, 2017 4:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9734717)
Anyway, I just discovered something rather...disturbing about the Alola map. According to this new Alola map, a few sinister, ecological-related issues seem to be cropping up, and we don't know why these things are happening.

Well, first off, the water in Malie Garden appears to have dried off:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241214786308669440/348231717628280833/image.png

Also, on a somewhat similar note, the water in Brooklet Hill has dried up, like I mentioned in a previous post:

https://i.imgur.com/1awHq5k.png

But looking on the other side of the spectrum, it seems like the Wela Volcano has become dormant, yet in the previous game it was active and smoking:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241214786308669440/348233219511943168/image.png

While Alola has changed a lot though, I couldn't help but examine those three things, because they seem to be somewhat...familiar if you've played R/S/E and noted down Team Magma/Aqua's goals at trying to dry the ocean/expand the ocean respectively. Is this too much of a coincidence, or is something going wrong with the ecosystem in Alola? Is this a hint at bigger things to come? It was also said that Zygarde appears when a region's ecosystem is disturbed, so could this be a hint at Zygarde, perhaps eliminating the collection quest?

Brooklet Hill isn't dried out, it's just the sunset reflection makes it look clear. You can see water still pouring down in it.

Iceshadow3317 August 18th, 2017 4:40 PM

Other small changes I see, which I wasn't sure if they were large enough to point out, is that there is no rock wall on the southwest side of Poni Island and the rocks have been added to the southeast side of Poni Island.

I wasn't going to point that out, but all other rock walls are in the correct spot.

Also, here is a very High Res map too look at the region better.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283217767757512704/348136226588459008/New_Alola_Map_Large.jpg

This map proves that Brooklet Hill isn't dry.

pixelani August 18th, 2017 6:43 PM

I think someone should compile a comprehensive list of all the differences found so far - there's a lot more there to look at than I think we realize. More subtle changes and altered perspective.

I am disappointed in the general lack of large new areas, but there are some encouraging things here and there and I think there may be more to be excited about than we think!

Somewhere_ August 18th, 2017 6:52 PM

That rift gives me hope the ultra beast dimension will be larger- large enough to be explored at least. Hopefully.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 6:59 PM

Alola is basically the same. This is clearly a third version split into. Minor changes but nothing big. Not impressed to be honest.

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734847)
Alola is basically the same. This is clearly a third version split into. Minor changes but nothing big. Not impressed to be honest.

I don't think so. This game seems to be more along the lines of B2/W2, a sequel with changes to the map and the story being much more different.

Alexander18 August 18th, 2017 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9734864)
I don't think so. This game seems to be more along the lines of B2/W2, a sequel with changes to the map and the story being much more different.

Sequel applies different characters and a year or so apart. USUM doesn't seem to have either.

Hikamaru August 18th, 2017 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734888)
Sequel applies different characters and a year or so apart. USUM doesn't seem to have either.

I'm sure we don't need new characters to do a sequel good. Maybe there could be a new character revealed in a future trailer.

Desert Stream~ August 18th, 2017 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734888)
Sequel applies different characters and a year or so apart. USUM doesn't seem to have either.

Along the lines of. She's not saying it IS a sequel. She's saying it's more LIKE a sequel then like a remake/third version.

riddlemeree August 18th, 2017 9:53 PM

Maybe it's just me, but the region seems a bit more... eery? Desolate? There's a lot of dried-up places scattered over the map, and the red tint really amplifies it all. The ultra wormhole also adds to this effect!

Small note, but some of the tiles haven't been filled and are still just lying there. It doesn't seem for GF to just leave them like that, so they might be getting some purpose as just tiles alone.

Altairis August 19th, 2017 7:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9734847)
Alola is basically the same. This is clearly a third version split into. Minor changes but nothing big. Not impressed to be honest.

What did you expect? I'm honestly curious, not trying to be condescending at all. How much did you expect/want Alola to change?

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9735229)
What did you expect? I'm honestly curious, not trying to be condescending at all. How much did you expect/want Alola to change?

A couple new islands. May one that is not on the map. Extended areas to the older islands.

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9735369)
A couple new islands. May one that is not on the map. Extended areas to the older islands.

The older islands did get expanded. There's a new beach on melemele, and a few of the surfing routes have changed iirc.

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735431)
The older islands did get expanded. There's a new beach on melemele, and a few of the surfing routes have changed iirc.

I didn't see it. The map looked completely the same. Felt like a copy and paste.

Desert Stream~ August 19th, 2017 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9735441)
I didn't see it. The map looked completely the same. Felt like a copy and paste.

It's a zoomed out image of one of the largest regions we've had to date. You have to look closely :p
(And yeah, that big hole in the sky was totally there before)

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9735485)
It's a zoomed out image of one of the largest regions we've had to date. You have to look closely :p
(And yeah, that big hole in the sky was totally there before)

Apart from the cloud, it looks the same but i will wait for the games to come out.

Somewhere_ August 19th, 2017 6:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvl9bjTg4jU

According to this video, there is also a similar looking purple portal over the Sinnoh region like the one over the USUM Alola region. Its probably a coincidence, but it is at least a tiny bit of evidence that either hints to Sinnoh remakes or hints towards traveling to Kanto in USUM.

Alexander18 August 19th, 2017 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BadSheep (Post 9735569)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvl9bjTg4jU

According to this video, there is also a similar looking purple portal over the Sinnoh region like the one over the USUM Alola region. Its probably a coincidence, but it is at least a tiny bit of evidence that either hints to Sinnoh remakes or hints towards traveling to Kanto in USUM.

It is either coincidence or hints to a sinnoh remakes. We are not going to Kanto again aside from GS virtual console post game.

mew_nani August 19th, 2017 7:39 PM

What looks suspicious to me is that below Poni Island in at least one spot it looks like there's land underneath the giant cloud. I couldn't tell you how much land specifically, but you can see what looks like a shoreline, and that wasn't there before in S/M's map. So maybe there IS something more there we just... can't see it yet. You can also see a boat trail being covered up, which looks kinda suspicious considering I doubt they'd cover up something as minor as a boat. But don't quote me on this. This is just speculation on my part and I could be wrong.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 19th, 2017 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcyIce (Post 9734751)
Most people have pointed out things, that I could spot. But there are a few new things. Ones known though are:

Volcano's are no longer smoking on Akala.
Brooklet Hill is dry.
The rift which there is almost no doubt in Ultra Space.
Water in the garden on Big Island is dry. Or some is.

Others things I see are these things:
~ School of Wailords of Wishiwashi just south of Akala.
~ There is a new beach with a building or cave on Akala Island, just north of the port building.
~ Multiple buildings have different color roofs.
~ There is a new building on the beach on the east side of Big Island.
~ The water at the Lake of Moon/Sun is dry
~ The Islands are larger on the Northside of Melemele in the hidden area that we get to from a cave.
~ New beach area with a cave or something on Melemele that is behind the Hotel.
~ There is a new building in the main city on Melemele where the empty spot was.


That is all the changes I can see. However, I will say that a lot of the "dry spots" where water was could be them trying to depict the color of the water in a sunset and it could just look dry. I think the only really dry spot currently in Brooklet Hill, even though I think there is water still there. If it was dry, it would be all that light grey color, but there is a color difference.. And although I can see the Garden thing, I don't know why only half would be gone, especially when it goes in like a circle.

The larger islands and the dried up water in some locations is making me think that the sea level in Alola is dropping.

AliceBlaze August 19th, 2017 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9735595)
The larger islands and the dried up water in some locations is making me think that the sea level in Alola is dropping.

Maybe Solgaleo is causing droughts in some places while Lunala is causing tides in other parts since tides are controlled by the moon.

Pyrax August 20th, 2017 12:11 AM

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Looks like 4chan noticed something with that forest in the trailer.
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Originally Posted by /vp/
Daily reminder this is Kartana's Ultra Space

The litlle orange dot is obviously Kartana, its glowing and moving when you watch the trailer. Kartana is grass Pokemon, this is a grass area with leaves looking like Kartana. Not to mention its a very small Pokemon so GF chose it to show in the trailer because its hard to spot.

Such a chinese forrest area is nowhere to be found in SM or on the USUM map

These people are probably just fallers. Remember how for a while Lusamine and Guzma lived in Nihilego's world? Its possible.

Nihilego is rock so its "space" was a cave, Kartana is grass so its "space" is a forrest

The layout looks also similar to Nihilego's cave: a short corridor with a wider area at the end

Given that we have version exclusive beasts i'd say each game will have 5 Ultra space "corridors"


Alexander18 August 20th, 2017 12:20 AM

Very interesting. Kind of cool to go to each ultra beasts individual corridors.

kingdenas August 20th, 2017 7:36 AM

Okay, the Alola map has changed, it's true. However, what most makes the region look different is just the sunset/sunrise. Yes, we can see some new areas on Melemele, etc, and things on Poni don't look so good, but there aren't that many big differences (aside from the cloud). The "dried places" are kind of an illusion since it's just the water's color being different thanks to the sunset. Now, I'm not saying the ecossystem in Alola is doing great, and I really WANT a plot focused on its ecossystem. As many have said, Zygarde might have a role in the plot of this games.

Now, if Alola's ecossystem is actually getting worse or being altered, then who could possibly do this? Aether Foundation? I doubt it. The Ultra Beasts? Maybe... What about Necrozma? What will be its role in this game. Things are still pretty confusing so we should wait and see...

clbgolden August 20th, 2017 7:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyrax (Post 9735691)
Looks like 4chan noticed something with that forest in the trailer.

Wow. If this really is the Ultra Space and each Ultra Beast does have their own domain which I totally called earlier this year, BTW, then what is that person doing there? Are they a Faller? If so, how did they survive when their doesn't seem to be any food or water in the Ultra Space?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 20th, 2017 9:45 PM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9735904)
Wow. If this really is the Ultra Space and each Ultra Beast does have their own domain which I totally called earlier this year, BTW, then what is that person doing there? Are they a Faller? If so, how did they survive when their doesn't seem to be any food or water in the Ultra Space?

Well, the forest has leaves, one can survive off of those.

WingsofBliss August 21st, 2017 4:14 AM

The thing about individual ultra spaces is really cool, and it makes perfect sense now that I look at that image closer. I wonder what would cause us to go to their ultra spaces instead of them being dropped in Alola? Alternative story, that's what I'm thinking.

The thing about environmental changes and a possible Zygarde connection is interesting too. IIRC, Dexio in SM makes this comment in SM after you collect 10% Cells:

"Zygarde is said to maintain the order of the Kalos region...then why is it in Alola...? Is it a sign that something is about to happen?"

Another semi-related thing I wanted to point out is that there doesn't appear to be any rain on Po Town anymore. It makes me wonder if it will be restored to its former glory and Team Skull will have their base elsewhere?

kingdenas August 21st, 2017 4:53 AM

Even if this should be in another thread, it's still related to USUM's region map:




The pictures are self explanatory. So, what do you guys think? Is it really a reference or are we just imagining things?

HeroLinik August 21st, 2017 5:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kingdenas (Post 9736488)
Even if this should be in another thread, it's still related to USUM's region map:




The pictures are self explanatory. So, what do you guys think? Is it really a reference or are we just imagining things?

This may be a coincidence because the original Alola map featured a cloud that slightly resembled Mewtwo, yet you couldn't catch it. However, when you look at the rift above Poni Island, how Silvally is essentially a poor man's Arceus, right down to the ability and signature move, and the fact that Ultra Space has been compared to the Distortion World, things start to fall into place. It could be possible, but unlikely, that Dialga/Palkia/Giratina could play a role in the plot, or maybe get some more Sinnoh cameos. And then we'll be getting Sinnoh remakes!

Ida13 August 21st, 2017 5:36 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9736471)
The thing about individual ultra spaces is really cool, and it makes perfect sense now that I look at that image closer. I wonder what would cause us to go to their ultra spaces instead of them being dropped in Alola? Alternative story, that's what I'm thinking.

The thing about environmental changes and a possible Zygarde connection is interesting too. IIRC, Dexio in SM makes this comment in SM after you collect 10% Cells:

"Zygarde is said to maintain the order of the Kalos region...then why is it in Alola...? Is it a sign that something is about to happen?"

Another semi-related thing I wanted to point out is that there doesn't appear to be any rain on Po Town anymore. It makes me wonder if it will be restored to its former glory and Team Skull will have their base elsewhere?

Zygarde should be in the games more and have more information on why its there, maybe that happens in USUM.

HeroLinik August 21st, 2017 5:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ida13 (Post 9736507)
Zygarde should be in the games more and have more information on why its there, maybe that happens in USUM.

Even so, it doesn't explain why Zygarde is in the game, but not Xerneas or Yveltal. Even if they do have a massive ecological disaster which seems likely by the map, it won't be a cue for the life/death duo to come out to play, so it could be possible that they'll just be gated until postgame, and catching them will obviously end up being an optional task.

pixelani August 21st, 2017 6:10 AM

I really do hope those clouds are something, as unlikely as it may be - perhaps they saw all the fan speculation about "seeing legendaries in the clouds" last time around?

The amount of references to Sinnoh increasing wouldn't be a bad thing either, but I question where that would take us since they traditionally do that right around when they're about to release a set of remakes... and that's not likely to happen with the Switch game in development already.

Regarding Zygarde, I'm very, very strongly opposed to its involvement in the plot. It had its generation, and it didn't get a game then - that doesn't mean that they need to keep making it up to fans that like Zygarde. Lore-wise, it doesn't make all that much sense anyway - I don't think the map so far suggests any kind of major ecological incident or shift, and I don't think it makes much sense to assume that Zygarde's role reaches that far outside its own trio, as that would run contrary to most other legendary Pokémon ever.

Alexander18 August 21st, 2017 11:59 AM

Don't count on Zygarde being a part of the story or post game. These games are about the mascots.

Altairis August 21st, 2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9736681)
Don't count on Zygarde being a part of the story or post game. These games are about the mascots.

But it was already technically a part of the game in a more significant way than being there randomly like other legends....

I already know what you're gonna say though, idk why I bothered replying.

I hope there's some sort of explanation as to why the cells are scattered in Alola.

Alexander18 August 21st, 2017 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9736686)
But it was already technically a part of the game in a more significant way than being there randomly like other legends....

I already know what you're gonna say though, idk why I bothered replying.

I hope there's some sort of explanation as to why the cells are scattered in Alola.

In SM, you only collect cells and cores to make a Zygarde. Not really a bigger role than XY in my opinion.

strangerhypno August 21st, 2017 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kingdenas (Post 9736488)
Even if this should be in another thread, it's still related to USUM's region map:




The pictures are self explanatory. So, what do you guys think? Is it really a reference or are we just imagining things?

The Sun and Moon clouds looked like Lugia and Ho-Oh, but I think we were seeing things because they didn't appear in the game or aftergame.

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9736503)
This may be a coincidence because the original Alola map featured a cloud that slightly resembled Mewtwo, yet you couldn't catch it. However, when you look at the rift above Poni Island, how Silvally is essentially a poor man's Arceus, right down to the ability and signature move, and the fact that Ultra Space has been compared to the Distortion World, things start to fall into place. It could be possible, but unlikely, that Dialga/Palkia/Giratina could play a role in the plot, or maybe get some more Sinnoh cameos. And then we'll be getting Sinnoh remakes!

Mewtwo? Could of sworn people were saying Ho-Oh and Lugia.

WingsofBliss August 21st, 2017 2:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9736503)
This may be a coincidence because the original Alola map featured a cloud that slightly resembled Mewtwo, yet you couldn't catch it. However, when you look at the rift above Poni Island, how Silvally is essentially a poor man's Arceus, right down to the ability and signature move, and the fact that Ultra Space has been compared to the Distortion World, things start to fall into place. It could be possible, but unlikely, that Dialga/Palkia/Giratina could play a role in the plot, or maybe get some more Sinnoh cameos. And then we'll be getting Sinnoh remakes!

Another interesting thing is that there were quite a few references to Sinnoh lore in whats-her-name's lab, Kukui's wife... in her lab, there were book's and stuff about ultra space on top of the Sinnoh lore.

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Originally Posted by pixelani (Post 9736529)
I really do hope those clouds are something, as unlikely as it may be - perhaps they saw all the fan speculation about "seeing legendaries in the clouds" last time around?

The amount of references to Sinnoh increasing wouldn't be a bad thing either, but I question where that would take us since they traditionally do that right around when they're about to release a set of remakes... and that's not likely to happen with the Switch game in development already.

Regarding Zygarde, I'm very, very strongly opposed to its involvement in the plot. It had its generation, and it didn't get a game then - that doesn't mean that they need to keep making it up to fans that like Zygarde. Lore-wise, it doesn't make all that much sense anyway - I don't think the map so far suggests any kind of major ecological incident or shift, and I don't think it makes much sense to assume that Zygarde's role reaches that far outside its own trio, as that would run contrary to most other legendary Pokémon ever.

I highly doubt those clouds have anything to go by. If anything, I think Zygarde has a higher chance of appearing in USMS's main plot than those clouds having some sort of hidden message in them.

Sabrewulf238 August 21st, 2017 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9736471)
The thing about individual ultra spaces is really cool, and it makes perfect sense now that I look at that image closer. I wonder what would cause us to go to their ultra spaces instead of them being dropped in Alola? Alternative story, that's what I'm thinking.

I feel like this could be why we shouldn't be too worried about there not being many changes to the map of Alola. If they make it so we can visit new areas through Ultra Wormholes then there could easily be more new locations to explore.

Though, here's another thought. This place that Kartana is in....why are we assuming it's Ultra Space? (I mean we only have one example of Ultra Space and it looked a lot more foreign than this) Isn't there another possibility we haven't considered? That this is a new location in an alternate reality? Maybe we'll be able to use Ultra Wormholes to visit completely different locations in alternate realities.

Maybe it's an alternate reality where people live in harmony with Ultra Beasts.

destinedjagold August 22nd, 2017 1:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrewulf238 (Post 9736766)
Though, here's another thought. This place that Kartana is in....why are we assuming it's Ultra Space? (I mean we only have one example of Ultra Space and it looked a lot more foreign than this) Isn't there another possibility we haven't considered? That this is a new location in an alternate reality? Maybe we'll be able to use Ultra Wormholes to visit completely different locations in alternate realities.

I have read that it is most-likely Kartana's Ultra Space. Recall in Sun and Moon where Nebby takes us to Lusamine in Ultra Space. It was a cave-like area, and it was home to Nihilego, and that UB is a part-rock type. So it's most-likely Nihilego's Ultra Space. Other UBs' Ultra Space's theme will probably be based on one of their types, Kartana being part-grass type fits that. Celesteela might take the steel-type Ultra Space imo.

As for the people in Kartana's Ultra Space, recall that both Lusamine and Guzma were in Nihilego's as well. Iirc Guzma said he couldn't get out, so perhaps those NPCs in Kartana's space were also stuck there, too, unable to escape.

Iceshadow3317 August 22nd, 2017 1:08 PM

If I remember correctly, Amazon or some other place said there would be several new islands to explore. We don't see any new islands, so not everything may be on that map.

I went back to check amazon. But I can no longer see the parts that said that anymore. But that is something to remember.

And I can't remember if I said this or not, but we also don't see an area that matches all the Pikachu in the first trailer.

EC August 22nd, 2017 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pixelani (Post 9736529)
I really do hope those clouds are something, as unlikely as it may be - perhaps they saw all the fan speculation about "seeing legendaries in the clouds" last time around?

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Originally Posted by strangerhypno (Post 9736743)
The Sun and Moon clouds looked like Lugia and Ho-Oh, but I think we were seeing things because they didn't appear in the game or aftergame.

We weren't "just" seeing things. Guess what games were announced recently? Gold and Silver for the virtual console. Guess what legendaries Johto has? Lugia and Ho-Oh.

WingsofBliss August 22nd, 2017 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilChameleon (Post 9737470)
We weren't "just" seeing things. Guess what games were announced recently? Gold and Silver for the virtual console. Guess what legendaries Johto has? Lugia and Ho-Oh.

I think it goes without saying that Gold and Silver would have ended up on the VC anyways. People were seeing things, and I'm surprised people are still trying to justify it.

EC August 22nd, 2017 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9737481)
I think it goes without saying that Gold and Silver would have ended up on the VC anyways. People were seeing things, and I'm surprised people are still trying to justify it.

So are we just seeing things now? You cannot deny it this time, with how obvious all three clouds look.

Desert Stream~ August 22nd, 2017 4:08 PM

Oh, I completly forgot about the G/S remakes! I wasn't paying attention to the clouds because I thought that the Gen 2 legend clouds didn't mean anything.

WingsofBliss August 23rd, 2017 4:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilChameleon (Post 9737491)
So are we just seeing things now? You cannot deny it this time, with how obvious all three clouds look.

I don't understand what you're talking about, the only thing concerning Gen 4 that jumps out at me is the Sinnoh references in SM.

EC August 23rd, 2017 6:32 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9737769)
I don't understand what you're talking about, the only thing concerning Gen 4 that jumps out at me is the Sinnoh references in SM.

I'm talking about the three clouds on the map in the opening post of this thread. The three clouds that have the same shapes (and colors, mind you) as the main Sinnoh legendaries. That cannot be a coincidence. Or red herring.

Nah August 23rd, 2017 7:42 AM

the clouds do not indicate anything special

given that the first three generations have been remade, and that it's been a generation since the last one, and that it's been ~10 years since D/P were released, the obvious next step for Game Freak would be to do Sinnoh remakes, much the same as how G/S on the VC after RBY VC were the obvious thing for them to do

this is not to say that the clouds are not a nod to what they are/did announce soon after, it's just that it's not some cool subtle hint that only a smart select few will get that indicates something no one saw coming--if/when sinnoh remakes are announced soon it should not be surprising to anyone, and the lack of surprise should not be because of some clouds

HeroLinik August 23rd, 2017 8:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nah (Post 9737871)
the clouds do not indicate anything special

given that the first three generations have been remade, and that it's been a generation since the last one, and that it's been ~10 years since D/P were released, the obvious next step for Game Freak would be to do Sinnoh remakes, much the same as how G/S on the VC after RBY VC were the obvious thing for them to do

But don't expect Sinnoh remakes to come this generation, because I literally don't see the need for them if you can get the lake trio, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina exactly one generation before, as well as the Sinnoh starters. Also, you can play D/P/Pt on the 3DS as well, so why remake a game you can still play on the system? To be honest, the whole debacle about Sinnoh remakes when US/UM were announced is a repeat of what happened when B2/W2 were announced, and it's usually the result of ignorant fans who don't understand how remakes work and why they are created. To be honest, I fell for this as well expecting Hoenn remakes in Gen V, and being disappointed when X/Y were revealed. Remakes aren't purely created on fan demand, but to allow past regions to be updated to current standards and be played with the current-gen handheld. Let's compare the overall (negative!) fan reactions of B2/W2 and US/UM's reveals, just to get a perspective:

B2/W2 reveal reactions
"OMG WHERE IS MY POKEMON GRAY??"
"OMG WHY THE HELL IS THIS NOT ON 3DS??""
"OMG WHERE ARE MY HOENN REMAKES??"

US/UM reveal reactions
"OMG WHERE IS MY POKEMON STARS??"
"OMG WHY THE HELL IS THIS NOT ON SWITCH??"
"OMG WHERE ARE MY SINNOH REMAKES??"

Famon August 23rd, 2017 9:35 AM



I wonder if its possible for Alola to have a major city like New Tork city in USUM.
I guess Ula'ula is only Island that can have a city like this.

janejane6178 August 23rd, 2017 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9737907)


I wonder if its possible for Alola to have a major city like New Tork city in USUM.
I guess Ula'ula is only Island that can have a city like this.

Don't B/W already have a city that resembles NYC?

HeroLinik August 23rd, 2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Famon (Post 9737907)


I wonder if its possible for Alola to have a major city like New Tork city in USUM.
I guess Ula'ula is only Island that can have a city like this.

Castelia City would like to have a word with you.

WingsofBliss August 23rd, 2017 1:58 PM

I don't see Sinnoh remakes happening this Gen, but I do think that there may be some alluding or connection to them in USM. Completely ignoring the clouds issue, there are several blatant references to Sinnoh lore in SM, and even one of them is a Pokemon created by an organization who also happened to study the Sinnoh myths. It's also interesting that people have made comparisons of the ultra wormhole we see in the new map to the Distortion World, and I'm guilty of that one especially. I also liken Lusamine entering Ultra Space to Cyrus entering the Distortion World, as well as Lusamine and Cyrus themselves as people. I have a little theory involving Necrozma and Sinnoh, but that's for another thread and when I can properly sort out my thoughts on it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 23rd, 2017 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9738013)
I don't see Sinnoh remakes happening this Gen, but I do think that there may be some alluding or connection to them in USM. Completely ignoring the clouds issue, there are several blatant references to Sinnoh lore in SM, and even one of them is a Pokemon created by an organization who also happened to study the Sinnoh myths. It's also interesting that people have made comparisons of the ultra wormhole we see in the new map to the Distortion World, and I'm guilty of that one especially. I also liken Lusamine entering Ultra Space to Cyrus entering the Distortion World, as well as Lusamine and Cyrus themselves as people. I have a little theory involving Necrozma and Sinnoh, but that's for another thread and when I can properly sort out my thoughts on it.

Hearing that reminds me of my theory of Zygarde's connection to the Hoenn Mascots xD.

I look forward to reading your theory once you finish it :).

Now about Sinnoh remakes, I don't see them being the next main games. I just can't see them begin a new generation with remakes.

Now, that area with Kartana-like leaves. Some think that it's a redesign of the first trial. Others think that it could be a new place in Malie Garden.

Famon August 23rd, 2017 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9737984)
Castelia City would like to have a word with you.

Castelia City is on Unova, I want a major city like that on Alola.
Since Alola feel too much like a rural area.

WingsofBliss August 24th, 2017 2:04 AM

An interesting tidbit, but TPC Japan just released a small clip of the player encountering Hiker Dave at the top of Wela Volcano instead of Kiawe like you normally would.

Another thing I wanted to point out to add on to my earlier post about Zygarde is Resolution Cave. Eerily similar layout to Terminus Cave and you find a Zygarde Cell in the spot you would find 50% in Terminus Cave. Also, "terminus" and "resolution" both have similar meaning as something being final... terminus being the end of something, and resolution meaning intention and being resolved. You also encounter Guzzlord in it during the UB mission, and it's also a Dragon-type like Zygarde.

Altairis August 24th, 2017 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9738285)
An interesting tidbit, but TPC Japan just released a small clip of the player encountering Hiker Dave at the top of Wela Volcano instead of Kiawe like you normally would.

Another thing I wanted to point out to add on to my earlier post about Zygarde is Resolution Cave. Eerily similar layout to Terminus Cave and you find a Zygarde Cell in the spot you would find 50% in Terminus Cave. Also, "terminus" and "resolution" both have similar meaning as something being final... terminus being the end of something, and resolution meaning intention and being resolved. You also encounter Guzzlord in it during the UB mission, and it's also a Dragon-type like Zygarde.

source cos you didn't include it for some reason:


so doesn't look like there's a trial here at all.

kingdenas August 24th, 2017 12:12 PM

What is that video hinting for?

WingsofBliss August 24th, 2017 5:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9738494)
source cos you didn't include it for some reason:


so doesn't look like there's a trial here at all.

I'm just going to let the rudeness in that comment slide for now, but thanks for posting the video.

Hikamaru August 24th, 2017 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kingdenas (Post 9738579)
What is that video hinting for?

The fact that we will be getting new Trials, since it appears Kiawe isn't a Trial Captain anymore. There's the chance he could have been promoted to Akala Island's Kahuna considering Olivia became an Elite Four member at the end of S/M.

HeroLinik August 25th, 2017 1:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9738829)
The fact that we will be getting new Trials, since it appears Kiawe isn't a Trial Captain anymore. There's the chance he could have been promoted to Akala Island's Kahuna considering Olivia became an Elite Four member at the end of S/M.

If that's the case, then Acerola wouldn't be hosting her trial either, which suggests that we'll probably see something else being made out of the abandoned Thrifty Megamart. But funnily enough, in the postgame you can find Hala in Iki Town despite being part of the E4, and Kahili is hinted to have a bigger role in this game, yet in the previous game she's part of the E4, which sorta shoots down your theory. It was also hinted that the island challenge originally ended with facing off with all four kahunas in a row, and that eventually become the E4 despite the overall premise being the same - the E4 are still the kahunas though.

Hikamaru August 25th, 2017 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9738901)
If that's the case, then Acerola wouldn't be hosting her trial either, which suggests that we'll probably see something else being made out of the abandoned Thrifty Megamart. But funnily enough, in the postgame you can find Hala in Iki Town despite being part of the E4, and Kahili is hinted to have a bigger role in this game, yet in the previous game she's part of the E4, which sorta shoots down your theory. It was also hinted that the island challenge originally ended with facing off with all four kahunas in a row, and that eventually become the E4 despite the overall premise being the same - the E4 are still the kahunas though.

There's a chance Kahili could retain being Elite Four, and this time we just see her prior to taking on the League since that wasn't the case in S/M. Remember the Elite Four as we know it was developed by Kukui himself after he got inspired by the Indigo League in Kanto, which he previously challenged sometime prior to the events of S/M.

EC August 25th, 2017 6:29 AM

So so far we've seen a gym without Lt. Surge, and a trial without the trial leader.

Hikamaru August 25th, 2017 6:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilChameleon (Post 9739029)
So so far we've seen a gym without Lt. Surge, and a trial without the trial leader.

That Vermilion Gym thing may just be a coincidence, but with the confirmation Wela Volcano Park is no longer a trial site, it seems very likely there will be new Trials and new Trial Captains.

The Gyms probably won't happen, since the empty spaces were taken up by the Photo Club.

HeroLinik August 25th, 2017 9:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9739033)
That Vermilion Gym thing may just be a coincidence, but with the confirmation Wela Volcano Park is no longer a trial site, it seems very likely there will be new Trials and new Trial Captains.

The Gyms probably won't happen, since the empty spaces were taken up by the Photo Club.

We don't know that for sure though. All we know is there's a Photo Club in Hau'oli, outside the Royal Dome, Konikoni and Malie City. There seems to be some weird new green building in Heahea City though, but Seafolk Village, Tapu Village and outside the observatory on Mount Hokulani still retain empty spaces, which suggests that the Photo Club isn't going to take up all the empty lots in the region. What could be going on here?

Desert Stream~ August 25th, 2017 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9739129)
We don't know that for sure though. All we know is there's a Photo Club in Hau'oli, outside the Royal Dome, Konikoni and Malie City. There seems to be some weird new green building in Heahea City though, but Seafolk Village, Tapu Village and outside the observatory on Mount Hokulani still retain empty spaces, which suggests that the Photo Club isn't going to take up all the empty lots in the region. What could be going on here?

Ultra ultra sun and ultra ultra moon confirmed? :p

Altairis August 25th, 2017 12:26 PM

Is it worth saying that Kiawe might be a captain still, just not at the top of the mountain?

Desert Stream~ August 25th, 2017 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Altairis (Post 9739202)
Is it worth saying that Kiawe might be a captain still, just not at the top of the mountain?

It would be nice if someone could translate that text. Maybe it's something like Oreburgh city where the gym leader is away.

mysticalflute August 25th, 2017 5:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9739238)
It would be nice if someone could translate that text. Maybe it's something like Oreburgh city where the gym leader is away.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe it's a side quest thing where we have to go find Kiawe and beat Team Skull. Sort of like what we had to do on Akala island.

Altairis August 26th, 2017 2:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MUDKIP!!! (Post 9739238)
It would be nice if someone could translate that text. Maybe it's something like Oreburgh city where the gym leader is away.

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Originally Posted by mysticalflute (Post 9739314)
That's what I was thinking. Maybe it's a side quest thing where we have to go find Kiawe and beat Team Skull. Sort of like what we had to do on Akala island.

I already did! He just says "Alola! Now who might I be exactly?"

Based on the text dialogue box though, if the player had pressed A there would be more.

WingsofBliss September 3rd, 2017 7:04 AM

The Vermilion Gym tease in the trailer and now Ash visiting Kanto in upcoming episodes in the anime is starting to make me believe in the possibility of a Kanto visit in USUM. I just... I don't know, but getting that tease in the trailer and the Misty and Brock appearance in the anime getting hyped to high heaven is making the gears in my mind do their thing. I know this topic of revisiting Kanto can get pretty heated sometimes, so please don't slam me for suggesting this.

riddlemeree September 3rd, 2017 7:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9744853)
The Vermilion Gym tease in the trailer and now Ash visiting Kanto in upcoming episodes in the anime is starting to make me believe in the possibility of a Kanto visit in USUM. I just... I don't know, but getting that tease in the trailer and the Misty and Brock appearance in the anime getting hyped to high heaven is making the gears in my mind do their thing. I know this topic of revisiting Kanto can get pretty heated sometimes, so please don't slam me for suggesting this.

Visting Kanto is better than visiting no region! I highly doubt it though... they teased us enough when Lillie was travelling there. I can't see why they wouldn't have done it in SM, with all the Kanto references they had there.

pkmin3033 September 4th, 2017 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyarth (Post 9744873)
Visting Kanto is better than visiting no region! I highly doubt it though... they teased us enough when Lillie was travelling there. I can't see why they wouldn't have done it in SM, with all the Kanto references they had there.

Time constraints? SM were very rushed titles, had it not been the 20th anniversary I doubt we would have seen them last year. Granted, the time gap between USUM and SM is only around a year, but given they're probably going to be recycling a large majority of SM's assets for USUM, they can use that time to expand upon things.

...of course, the cynic in me says they held it back just so they'd have another set of games for this year, equalling more money, because that is very clearly all they care about. But that's the cynic in me for ya.

That said, I highly doubt Kanto revisits this time either - the hints suggest a remake on the horizon, possibly on the Switch, but they don't suggest to me a revisit, any more than SM's hints did.

blue September 4th, 2017 5:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9744853)
The Vermilion Gym tease in the trailer and now Ash visiting Kanto in upcoming episodes in the anime is starting to make me believe in the possibility of a Kanto visit in USUM. I just... I don't know, but getting that tease in the trailer and the Misty and Brock appearance in the anime getting hyped to high heaven is making the gears in my mind do their thing. I know this topic of revisiting Kanto can get pretty heated sometimes, so please don't slam me for suggesting this.

I actually thought this too after seeing the return of Brock and Misty. They seem to be indicating something to do with Kanto, but I still don't know whether or not they'd actually pull this off.

Hikamaru September 4th, 2017 3:37 PM

I feel that we likely won't return to Kanto in US/UM, since the reason why the return to Kanto in the anime was likely due to it being to honour the 20th anniversary of the anime.

WingsofBliss September 4th, 2017 3:43 PM

What do you all think of what Po Town could be like this time? I bring this up because the new Alola map no longer shows a rain storm happening over it, and I've heard speculation that the mansion used to belong to Lusamine's family before crap hit the fan with her losing her husband.

Desert Stream~ September 4th, 2017 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsofBliss (Post 9745830)
What do you all think of what Po Town could be like this time? I bring this up because the new Alola map no longer shows a rain storm happening over it, and I've heard speculation that the mansion used to belong to Lusamine's family before crap hit the fan with her losing her husband.

Huh, what if that never happened? That could be a pretty large change...


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