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bobandbill September 13th, 2017 1:55 AM

New Z-Move for Lycanroc revealed
 
CoroCoro supplied more info!

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 2:13 AM

I figured that animation of Lycanroc during the reveal trailer was suggesting a special Z-Move, and now we know it's confirmed. Guessing that will mean a special Z-Move for Mimikyu is also going to be canon as well.

Have to admit this new Z-Move might give Lycanroc some competitive viability, since it will negate terrains which are commonly widespread over the OU tier due to the Tapus dominating said tier. And it appears the Rockruff that evolves into Dusk Form Lycanroc has Own Tempo, which I don't think Rockruff gets through any other circumstance.

Also, I figured Dusk Lycanroc had to evolve when that orange tinted sky is in effect. I mean, it made sense.

Alexander18 September 13th, 2017 2:14 AM

It is okay but not great news. At least it can put stone edge to some use. Makes sense for it to evolve between 17:00 & 17:59.

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 2:34 AM

I figure the Direct coming up might be revealing the Z-Move's English name too. Either that or a possible trailer could cover both it and the Necrozma fusions with Solgaleo/Lunala.

Absolitetion September 13th, 2017 2:47 AM

The amount of news was a little underwhelming to my expectations.
It was kind of predictable that Lycanroc would get a Z-Move, just what it will be/do was the question.

I suppose GF is saving the best for last? :)

HeroLinik September 13th, 2017 2:58 AM

Considering that this move negates the effects of terrains, this move might be able to scare the Tapus. However, this depends on how viable Lycanroc-Dusk is in OU play, and whether it's viable to run it over another Z-move. Also, Bulu and Fini have type advantages against Lycanroc, so that should be considered as well.

blue September 13th, 2017 3:50 AM

I was half expecting the new Lycanroc form to get some sort of Z-move, still good to get confirmation though. Now I'm wondering if this, along with what was revealed yesterday will be in a trailer during the Nintendo Direct tonight.

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 4:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Absolitetion (Post 9751921)
I suppose GF is saving the best for last? :)

It's looking to be that way, and most likely leaving a lot to surprise us when release day comes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9751926)
Considering that this move negates the effects of terrains, this move might be able to scare the Tapus. However, this depends on how viable Lycanroc-Dusk is in OU play, and whether it's viable to run it over another Z-move. Also, Bulu and Fini have type advantages against Lycanroc, so that should be considered as well.

Your point is strong, though Koko and Lele tend to be the ones that run rampant in the OU tier so they're definitely the ones that could be threatened by this new Z-Move. The issue is Dusk Lycanroc is probably going to have that same shallow movepool treatment as the other two forms.

Nah September 13th, 2017 4:04 AM

Having a move that removes terrain sounds nice until you realize that you can only use it once per battle

Not really expecting it to have a significant impact on competitive really

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 4:10 AM

This will mean you'll definitely have to be careful with when to time the use of the Z-Move.

LilyGardy September 13th, 2017 5:30 AM

It is good news that the Z move seemingly works with all Lycanroc forms but is disappointing that Dusk Lycanroc is essentially locked behind an event.

Rengoku September 13th, 2017 5:48 AM

With the only "Own Tempo" Rockruffs being able to evolve, hopefully it means we can breed for Rockruffs with that ability so we can have our perfect Dusk form?

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 5:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladion (Post 9752056)
With the only "Own Tempo" Rockruffs being able to evolve, hopefully it means we can breed for Rockruffs with that ability so we can have our perfect Dusk form?

We don't know for sure if this Rockruff can breed or not.

Rengoku September 13th, 2017 6:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikamaru (Post 9752065)
We don't know for sure if this Rockruff can breed or not.

Yep, so the "Hopefully".
Tbvh, if it isn't breedable like the Ash-Greninja, I think they should be having a much more uh, "original" new ability instead of one that other Pokemon can learn too, right?
I am pretty much leaning towards being able to breed from them, again, hopefully.

pkmin3033 September 13th, 2017 7:32 AM

It's phenomenally depressing that this is what qualifies as news in the run-up to the release of these games. I can see why people get depressed as we draw closer and closer and still have nothing really worthy of note to get excited about.

I suspect this Rockruff will be able to breed, but will just give a normal one, rather than another special one. Nintendo don't like people sharing their exclusive time-limited toys, and I don't see why this one would be any different.

Pinkie-Dawn September 13th, 2017 8:15 AM

Radial Edge Storm, I c wat u did thar, Game Freak.

PlatinumDude September 13th, 2017 8:54 AM

The event Rockruff's evolution method makes sense, but it's going to be a hassle for Moon players unless they're very early birds. Lycanroc's new Z Move is interesting and this could let the Midday and Dusk forms have some form of niche in the higher tiers.

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9752120)
I suspect this Rockruff will be able to breed, but will just give a normal one, rather than another special one. Nintendo don't like people sharing their exclusive time-limited toys, and I don't see why this one would be any different.

This is my guess regarding the event Rockruff being breedable, and well if you look at the Ash Hat Pikachu events, the international release only allows obtaining one (starts Tuesday fyi) while that wasn't the case in the Japanese version since they were separately-released serial codes.

Alexander18 September 13th, 2017 12:04 PM

Yeah. The event rockruff is either unbreedable or only breeds normal rockruff. I can see GF doing that to be honest. Still annoying that a form of a pokemon that is not mythical is restricted to event only.

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 2:58 PM

The new trailer has revealed the Z-Move's English name! It's called Splintered Stormshard.

Somewhere_ September 13th, 2017 6:06 PM

It really sucks that its an event only pokemon, but I'm glad that it at least has its own special Z-move. It makes it much less of a disappointment and makes it much more relevant, which is nice.

Alexander18 September 13th, 2017 6:31 PM

I am getting two rockruffs. One for US and one for UM. One has Fire Fang and the other has Thunder Fang. A shame i lose one of the z crystals though once i start over a game.

CidHazard September 13th, 2017 7:01 PM

Unless Lycanroc stats are buffed, I doubt he's going to be viable competitively. He's still a weaker version of Aerodactyl, and I doubt that a Z-move that removes terrain effects once per battle would would change that; now if it completely disables terrain effects from activating and also prevent the activation of terrain for a set amount of turns, then maybe.

Not to mention that, since this Z-moves base is stone edge doesn't make contact, the Z-move itself doesn't. Which means that Splintered Stormshard doesn't get a bonus from Dusk Forms Tough claws ability.

Rengoku September 13th, 2017 7:33 PM

I guess I'll probably restart a few times and move Rockruffs to my PokeBank before I officially start a game, then. It's an idea.

Hikamaru September 13th, 2017 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadSheep (Post 9752416)
It really sucks that its an event only pokemon, but I'm glad that it at least has its own special Z-move. It makes it much less of a disappointment and makes it much more relevant, which is nice.

Reminder that all of Lycanroc's forms can use this Z-Move, not just the Dusk form. Besides, it helps keep the Midday and Midnight forms still relevant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CidHazard (Post 9752448)
Unless Lycanroc stats are buffed, I doubt he's going to be viable competitively. He's still a weaker version of Aerodactyl, and I doubt that a Z-move that removes terrain effects once per battle would would change that; now if it completely disables terrain effects from activating and also prevent the activation of terrain for a set amount of turns, then maybe.

Not to mention that, since this Z-moves base is stone edge doesn't make contact, the Z-move itself doesn't. Which means that Splintered Stormshard doesn't get a bonus from Dusk Forms Tough claws ability.

I can definitely see where you're going here, since Dusk form's only usable move with Tough Claws is Accelerock. The bad movepool that Lycanroc has in general will only hurt its potential even further, since Aerodactyl does outclass it as a speedy Rock-type.


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