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blue October 10th, 2017 3:23 AM

CoroCoro reveals Necrozma Z-moves and Rotom Dex features
 
This months issue of CoroCoro has started to leak revealing special Z-moves for the mascot legendaries in Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon.

The issue reveals that the signature moves of both Dusk Mane Necrozma and Dawn Wings Necrozma will receive powered up Z-moves known as "Sunshine Smasher" and "Moonlight Blaster" respectively. Both forms can also learn a new move called "Photon Geyser".



It also states that the Rotom Dex will have more features in Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon and Z-Power Rotom is a new mechanic that powers up Z-moves if the player has strong compatibility with the Rotom Dex.


Denrew October 10th, 2017 3:28 AM

I’m so excited to know more about this! Can’t wait!!! ^_^

Hikamaru October 10th, 2017 3:32 AM

Nice to see more new info about Necrozma's new forms! Especially the new Z-Moves, which I think will be definitely epic once a trailer shows them off, and I wouldn't be surprised if said trailer drops within a few days.

Anyways, for being the last CoroCoro before release it made sense to save something good for last.

Nah October 10th, 2017 3:50 AM

What kind of features for Rotom Dex though? Potentially could be some good stuff.

also lol it powering up Z-moves, as if those fucking things need to have more power

L'Belle October 10th, 2017 4:07 AM

So much news! I love this so much!

pkmin3033 October 10th, 2017 4:40 AM

Z-Moves do not count as news ._.

Given the lack of use of the Rotom Dex though, it'd be nice to see them flesh this out properly. A way to turn off the annoying dialogue boxes and control the map zoom level at least would be nice.

Hikamaru October 10th, 2017 4:56 AM

Rotom Dex can power up Z-Moves now? What is this?

GanguEevee October 10th, 2017 6:09 AM

Just to make sure what they mean by 'power up Z-Moves', cause I checked an article about this on PokeJungle before coming here...

They mean you can use A SECOND Z-MOVE.
Welp, time to say goodbye to the meta, I guess. Only thing you can hope for is that this is disabled in multiplayer.

Oh, and here's said article, in case you are wondering. Guess the other thing to note is that one of the new features related to Rotom Dex is something called 'Rotopon' which 'is probably a play on Gachapon, the capsule machines in Japan.'

Hikamaru October 10th, 2017 7:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GanguEevee (Post 9771757)
They mean you can use A SECOND Z-MOVE.
Welp, time to say goodbye to the meta, I guess. Only thing you can hope for is that this is disabled in multiplayer.

I'm guessing it'll be like the affection from Amie/Refresh, not apply in PvP battles due to how broken it will probably be.

Anyways, the Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings Necrozma forms retain regular Necrozma's Prism Armor ability. Figured that may help the Dawn Wings better than Shadow Shield helped Lunala since the former weakens damage taken from super-effective hits, even if the only weaknesses for the Psychic/Ghost typing were both 4x weaknesses.

Pinkie-Dawn October 10th, 2017 8:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GanguEevee (Post 9771757)
They mean you can use A SECOND Z-MOVE.
Welp, time to say goodbye to the meta, I guess. Only thing you can hope for is that this is disabled in multiplayer.

Wouldn't this only further prove colours' point that Game Freak does not care even the slightest about the metagame because this series is first and foremost a JRPG and not a competitive game like Smash or LoL?

GanguEevee October 10th, 2017 8:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9771812)
Wouldn't this only further prove colours' point that Game Freak does not care even the slightest about the metagame because this series is first and foremost a JRPG and not a competitive game like Smash or LoL?

Yeah, I guess. Then again, I don't care about the meta too. So, win-win for people like me I guess. But I'm still hoping that this damn feature is disabled for wi-fi battles. I don't want to have ANOTHER reason for me to not bother with online battles.

Also, I guess this is a perfect time to mention something that I found out just now: The Rotopon feature thing is basically US/UM's version of O-Powers from Gen 6. From Serebii: 'Rotom will also help you to get items & powers using a feature called Rotopon which access items in a feature listed as "Rotom Power" which do things such as boost experience.'

Yeah, basically O-Powers. Also: 'You can also interact with the Rotom Pokédex more, answering questions from it and getting reactions.'

Somewhere_ October 10th, 2017 1:58 PM

I like all that is revealed here except for using multiple Z-moves in a battle. I think it will be broken unless NPC's can do it as well.

bobandbill October 10th, 2017 2:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9771812)
Wouldn't this only further prove colours' point that Game Freak does not care even the slightest about the metagame because this series is first and foremost a JRPG and not a competitive game like Smash or LoL?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GanguEevee (Post 9771815)
Yeah, I guess. Then again, I don't care about the meta too. So, win-win for people like me I guess. But I'm still hoping that this damn feature is disabled for wi-fi battles. I don't want to have ANOTHER reason for me to not bother with online battles.

This would be my assumption - it applies to in-game but not link/wifi battles. "not care even the slightest about the metagame" is quite the exaggeration too tbh...

I'm more interested in the O-Powers returning, that's neat.

PlatinumDude October 10th, 2017 3:10 PM

If the Rotom Dex's ability to let us use Z Moves twice per battle carries over to online battles, some Pokemon would become pretty bonkers, like letting Z Conversion Porygon-Z and Clangorous Soulblaze Kommo-o set up again if their sweep got unfavorable at some point.

I'd say that Dusk Mane Necrozma can take better advantage of Prism Armor than Dawn Wings because Dawn Wings' weaknesses would still hurt a lot even with Prism Armor cushioning the blows. Psychic/Steel is also a decent defensive typing.

I also can't wait to see what Photon Geyser, Sunshine Smasher, and Moonlight Blaster do.

Altairis October 10th, 2017 3:49 PM

I wish we had gotten to see these in a trailer! No surprises here, though, cause we were told this game would have a lot of Z-moves; naturally the box legendaries would have some too.

More than one Z-move per battle, though? No wonder VGC is still using SM next year.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 10th, 2017 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 9772040)
If the Rotom Dex's ability to let us use Z Moves twice per battle carries over to online battles, some Pokemon would become pretty bonkers, like letting Z Conversion Porygon-Z and Clangorous Soulblaze Kommo-o set up again if their sweep got unfavorable at some point.

I'd say that Dusk Mane Necrozma can take better advantage of Prism Armor than Dawn Wings because Dawn Wings' weaknesses would still hurt a lot even with Prism Armor cushioning the blows. Psychic/Steel is also a decent defensive typing.

I also can't wait to see what Photon Geyser, Sunshine Smasher, and Moonlight Blaster do.

True, but the ability makes Dawn Wings more likely to survive than plain Lunala at least ^^.

Rivvon October 11th, 2017 9:00 AM

I'm not a big fan of being able to use multiple Z-Moves in one battle.

Mister Coffee October 11th, 2017 9:22 AM

Two Z Moves, because winning a battle is not fun unless it's overkill.

The O-Powers returning seems okay, however in OR/AS the only O-Power I ever used was the Hatching Power. Considering that Su/Mo has the worst designed Day Care Center map of just about any other generation, I don't think that the Hatching Power is going to make that much of a difference to me. Increased hatching is always nice, but it's not that impressive considering OR/AS used it the best.

Z-Moves for the Legends was sort of expected. Not a huge reveal, but it is nice to know that it is confirmed and we don't have to speculate on it.

BadSamaritan October 11th, 2017 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9771812)
Wouldn't this only further prove colours' point that Game Freak does not care even the slightest about the metagame because this series is first and foremost a JRPG and not a competitive game like Smash or LoL?

To say that Gamefreak doesn't care about competitive would be the biggest joke I've heard in years. Since Gen.3 there has been nothing short of a bee-line aimed directly at taking the focus off of exploration and more on battling/competitive. Abilities, special/physical split, hidden abilities, mega evolution, breeding buffs, z-moves, yada yada yada.

If people are mistaking every pokemon not being identically powerful as one another as a bad battle system, they're clueless. The imbalance amongst strength is what makes it interesting. Using "under used" pokemon is only interesting because there are pokemon at the top to dethrone. Whether that be your blisseys in gen.3, or primals in gen.6.

Now I'll fully admit there's a lot more they need to do if they want to make VGC an actual thing. Like, truly on the level of other online games such as Overwatch or Halo. But it's anything but an afterthought to them.

Somewhere_ October 11th, 2017 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadSamaritan (Post 9772470)
To say that Gamefreak doesn't care about competitive would be the biggest joke I've heard in years. Since Gen.3 there has been nothing short of a bee-line aimed directly at taking the focus off of exploration and more on battling/competitive. Abilities, special/physical split, hidden abilities, mega evolution, breeding buffs, z-moves, yada yada yada.

If people are mistaking every pokemon not being identically powerful as one another as a bad battle system, they're clueless. The imbalance amongst strength is what makes it interesting. Using "under used" pokemon is only interesting because there are pokemon at the top to dethrone. Whether that be your blisseys in gen.3, or primals in gen.6.

Now I'll fully admit there's a lot more they need to do if they want to make VGC an actual thing. Like, truly on the level of other online games such as Overwatch or Halo. But it's anything but an afterthought to them.

Unfortunately, as much as I would like to see it, Pokemon will never be as big competitively as Overwatch, Halo, LoL, CS:GO, Rainbow Six Siege are. Unlike these games, Pokemon is seen as a kids game outside of the adult Pokemon fanbase. Even if Pokemon remains just as competitive, it will have to change a lot to prove itself as a competitive game comparable to the aforementioned games.

Denrew October 12th, 2017 5:49 AM

I’m thinking if the Z-Crystals for both Lunala and Solgaleo will become
game exclusive. I hope not. I like Lunala’s Z-move by the way!

BrandoSheriff October 12th, 2017 6:04 AM


Linking the english trailer compiling this info in case anyone hasn't seen it yet.

All I can say is Lunala, and by extension Dawn Wings Necrozma, might be my new favorite of the two this time around after seeing its Z-Move. BOI. And that new art of both forms is pretty sick too.

I had a feeling that Rotom's special abilities were basically O-Powers. It's nice to see them return. That 2nd Z-Move thing might be kinda busted (but also allow for much more strategic play), especially if allowed in competitive play. But since it's tied to Rotom, I doubt that will be the case.

colours October 12th, 2017 6:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadSamaritan (Post 9772470)
To say that Gamefreak doesn't care about competitive would be the biggest joke I've heard in years.

so do you genuinely believe that game freak cares about metagame balance when they make broken af pokemon like mega salamence, mega blaziken and mega lucario? give me a break. hell even mega rayquaza is the biggest example of game freak going a taad bit too far even for the ubers tier lol.

also see: literally every ice type in existence. ice is a great offensive typing, but every ice type to date except kyurem black/white (i think?) are defensive. please tell me how they care; because if they did, we'd have decent offensive ice types by now.

HeroLinik October 12th, 2017 6:09 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9772934)
also see: literally every ice type in existence. ice is a great offensive typing, but every ice type to date except kyurem black/white (i think?) are defensive. please tell me more about how they care; because if they did, we'd have decent offensive ice types by now.

Weavile would like a word with you.

But yeah, if being able to reuse Z-moves becomes a thing in competitive, VGC (and for that matter, OU) will be screwed beyond belief.

colours October 12th, 2017 6:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9772940)
Weavile would like a word with you. .

this is only proving my point if weavile is only one of like... three or maybe four offensive ice types in existence, and maybe only two or three non-legendary offensive ice types? but i do stand corrected as i see your point and i forgot about weavile entirely.

bigger point being is that game freak doesn't prioritize competitiveness when designing pokemon. you work with what you have, and that's how always has been, from the best of my knowledge.


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