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SirBoglor October 19th, 2017 7:28 AM

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon Confirmed to be the Final Main 3DS Games for Pokémon
 
Honest question: is there a reason why people are freaking out about having to buy a Switch now? Were you not freaking out months ago when the Switch game was announced in the first place?

Anyways, here's the news!

Rengoku October 19th, 2017 7:32 AM

I really hate the size of my Switch I sold it for the PS4 back in April.

Guess I'll just play on the TV since I've bought one in my room anyway.
But I'd prefers a 4DS or whatever to a Switch, I don't think I'll be getting a Switch, considering how much I hate it despite the chic look.

I'll say Pokemon will end at 7 generations for me if I absolutely have to get a Switch.

mysticalflute October 19th, 2017 8:14 AM

*sigh* Guess these'll be my last games for a while until I can afford a Switch. Oh well.

Maserati777 October 19th, 2017 8:37 AM

From what I've seen Switch < 3DS

The 3ds is light, fits in my pocket easily. The switch is big and clunky. It also has those stupid side controller things.

Oh well I'm probably not going to buy a Switch just for Pokemon. Not sure if I even want to buy Gen 8 since Pokemon's been on a downhill spiral recently. Unless gen 8 has all shiny hunting methods and all gens.

EC October 19th, 2017 8:58 AM

Excellent news to get this confirmed (for the third time). Means I can save space on my shelf and put away all my 3DS games once I beat Ultra Sun. And my 3DS as well. Running out of outlets.

janejane6178 October 19th, 2017 9:35 AM

I will miss 3ds=[

Pyrax October 19th, 2017 9:54 AM

Sweet, time to buy a Switch. I've always wanted to try out Splatoon.

It was only a matter of time anyway. Hopefully Gen VIII's first games won't feel as empty as XY or SM. Also, I have to wonder how the lack of dual screens will affect hypothetical DP remakes. Specifically the Pokétch, it'll be strange accessing it from the menu.

LilyGardy October 19th, 2017 10:04 AM

USUM looks likely to be my last Pokemon games for a while. I'm not buying a Switch for one game and Diamond/Pearl remakes don't interest me anyway.

HeroLinik October 19th, 2017 10:07 AM

Let's be honest though, we were all expecting this, and it's for a good reason as well, because the 3DS is about 7 years old right now. However, the thing about third games being developed for an older console when a newer one is out is not new - Pokemon BW2 literally saw the same thing with people complaining about it still being on DS when it was meant to be on 3DS, much like how people are complaining about why USUM are still on 3DS, yet Pokemon Stars was a trademark that fuelled rumours for the third game being on the Switch. The only difference BW2 had was a tie-in app for 3DS, Pokemon Dream Radar, but that was just a marketing ploy to tide people over to the 3DS ready for XY when it would release. If USUM do come with a Switch app then it could hopefully drum up excitement for the Switch game in this same vein.

Pokken Lucario October 19th, 2017 10:08 AM

Already have switch, so can't wait.
this is gonna be good.

Mister Coffee October 19th, 2017 10:11 AM

I am pretty curious to see if the Switch can take over the Pokemon niche in the handheld market. I'm really wondering how the majority of the Pokemon fan base will transition to this platform change. I'm not upset about the 3DS lifespan finally coming to an end. It had an incredibly long lifespan and did some amazing things, but it's over. However, I can't really just get up and buy a Switch on my current budget, eventually with a bit of saving, sure, but I'm not sure I can keep up with the Pokemon franchise for the next year or two, but who knows.
What also might be interesting, is that if Nintendo starts losing sales based on the drop off of having a hand held outside of their main console. If the loss in sales is significant enough, we might see a brand new handheld console in a few years.

Mawa October 19th, 2017 10:20 AM

My main system is always the handheld ones. For some reasons I just prefer them. I love my Switch, and mostly play it as an handheld. Still, it's sad to see Pokemon leaving the DS. I have a lot of good memories with Pokemon and my SP, my Ds, my 3ds.
didn'T knew it was the last one on the DS family. I didn't want UsUm, but now... it kinda makes me change my mind.... I probably won't do it. Not first day, tho. We'll see later.

thedestinedblade October 19th, 2017 10:39 AM

To be expected. I'm excited to see how the series evolves (pun intended!) on the Switch! Playing on the go or on the big screen will be a neat experience. I bought the Switch early mostly for Zelda and Splatoon, but I knew the main series pokemon games would eventually make the transition too.

Kikaito plush October 19th, 2017 10:43 AM

Like I commented on an TyranitarTube video Just because Ultra Sun and Moon are the last 3DS pokemon games it doesn't mean the next gen/ Remake will be on the Switch..

littlebeeb October 19th, 2017 11:01 AM

Since this is the case, I wonder how long Nintendo will support the Wi-Fi connection service for the remaining games that still have it.

BadSamaritan October 19th, 2017 11:04 AM

Remember the days when pokemon fans were excited to get a console to play the game with even better graphics? I member.

pkmin3033 October 19th, 2017 11:04 AM

Well, so much for supporting the 3DS beyond 2018. Thanks for lying again, Nintendo!

Alexander18 October 19th, 2017 11:28 AM

I figured that USUM were to be the last and no doubt be the last gen 7 games too. It seems we are getting only four games per gen for now on. Gen 5, 6 and now 7 has only four main series games. I still feel that the Switch is likely to not work out. Pokemon main series games on tv is something i can't take seriously and i don't think i will ever like that.

janejane6178 October 19th, 2017 11:34 AM

Ithink thats 3ds was the ideal console for the Pokemon

colours October 19th, 2017 12:08 PM

Can't wait for main series Switch Pokemon games. The 3DS (and well, the DS family in general) have had a good life, but it's time to move on to bigger and better things.

Radiating October 19th, 2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777306)
Well, so much for supporting the 3DS beyond 2018. Thanks for lying again, Nintendo!

By supporting the 3DS, they most likely meant continued bug fixes and other services like the 3DS online services and such. It's not like they'd just drop all support right away.

Judge Mandolore Shepard October 19th, 2017 12:28 PM

Well it looks like they might be the last main Pokemon games I would get seeing as I don't think I would ever get a Switch.

Desert Stream~ October 19th, 2017 1:08 PM

idk if anyone was really doubting this. Anyways, I'm excited for pokemon on switch! I just hope that the number of people who don't have a switch is gonna make the series take a massive hit next gen...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 19th, 2017 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kikaito plush (Post 9777298)
Like I commented on an TyranitarTube video Just because Ultra Sun and Moon are the last 3DS pokemon games it doesn't mean the next gen/ Remake will be on the Switch..

Uh, they already announced back at this year's E3 that they were making a 'core' (aka main series) game for the Switch due sometime next year or later...

Somewhere_ October 19th, 2017 2:22 PM

This confirms gen 8 (technically remakes are in the current generation- HGSS was gen 4, not 2). And I think DPP remakes are coming for sure now:

-Nintendo wants to attract as many people to the switch, and a new, but very familiar game would hopefully attract some people.

-DPP remakes seem to be high in demand

-DPP remakes would allow Gamefreak to test out Pokemon on the switch before starting a whole new region

However, to counter these points, new main series games always come before remakes within generations. Meaning we may not see DPP remakes for a while.

Wormow October 19th, 2017 2:27 PM

lol I came back from a 7 year break from this site just to make this one post

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Originally Posted by HeroLinik (Post 9777280)
However, the thing about third games being developed for an older console when a newer one is out is not new - Pokemon BW2 literally saw the same thing with people complaining about it still being on DS when it was meant to be on 3DS, much like how people are complaining about why USUM are still on 3DS, yet Pokemon Stars was a trademark that fuelled rumours for the third game being on the Switch.

The Pokemon Stars rumor didn't stem from a trademark, it was from a stupid/dumb rumor from a news site.

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777306)
Well, so much for supporting the 3DS beyond 2018. Thanks for lying again, Nintendo!

Nintendo =/= Gamefreak? lol

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9777318)
I figured that USUM were to be the last and no doubt be the last gen 7 games too. It seems we are getting only four games per gen for now on. Gen 5, 6 and now 7 has only four main series games. I still feel that the Switch is likely to not work out. Pokemon main series games on tv is something i can't take seriously and i don't think i will ever like that.

um....

We were "only" getting four games per generation now? You're acting as if that's very little to what has been in the past?

Generation 1 had four games, generation 2 had three games, generation 3 and 4 had five games (only due to remakes), generation 5, 6 and 7 had four games. It's the same amount as the first generation, and even less than the second generation. The other generations only had ONE extra game due to remakes.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 19th, 2017 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wormow (Post 9777394)
lol I came back from a 7 year break from this site just to make this one post



The Pokemon Stars rumor didn't stem from a trademark, it was from a stupid/dumb rumor from a news site.



Nintendo =/= Gamefreak? lol



um....

We were "only" getting four games per generation now? You're acting as if that's very little to what has been in the past?

Generation 1 had four games, generation 2 had three games, generation 3 and 4 had five games (only due to remakes), generation 5, 6 and 7 had four games. It's the same amount as the first generation, and even less than the second generation. The other generations only had ONE extra game due to remakes.

Gen VI had remakes too.

So discounting remakes that would be...
4 (JP)/ 3 (Int), 3, 3, 3, 4, 2, 4
So an average of 3.285... games per generation for Japan. 3.142... for International audiences. So yeah, getting four games this gen isn't bad ^^.

Alexander18 October 19th, 2017 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wormow (Post 9777394)
We were "only" getting four games per generation now? You're acting as if that's very little to what has been in the past?

Generation 1 had four games, generation 2 had three games, generation 3 and 4 had five games (only due to remakes), generation 5, 6 and 7 had four games. It's the same amount as the first generation, and even less than the second generation. The other generations only had ONE extra game due to remakes.

Gen 1 had three games in english while japan has 4 games. I do not count Green since it is japan exclusive. So that is three games in my opinion.

Gen 1 & 2 had three games
Gen 3 & 4 had five games
Gen 5, 6 & 7 has four games.

Again, i don't count Green due to being Japan exclusive. I only count international exclusive games. As long as they don't do 2 games per gen then i am fine with it.

Four games is a good amount.

SirBoglor October 19th, 2017 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777306)
Well, so much for supporting the 3DS beyond 2018. Thanks for lying again, Nintendo!

Lol what a bold statement. You seem to be mistaking Nintendo with The Pokémon Company and Game Freak. Check yourself before you wreck yourself my friend.

LyokoGirl5000 October 19th, 2017 5:12 PM

Perfect timing! I just bought a Switch yesterday, so I'm ready for Pokemon on Switch. But they'd better have Pokemon Bank or something so I can trade between my versions!

clbgolden October 19th, 2017 5:15 PM

For those talking about affording the Switch, I’d just like to remind you that price drops are always likely. By the time Poké-Switch comes out I wouldn’t be surprised if they at least shaved $20 off the Switch.

Pretty much my only comment on this news, since we pretty much knew this since E3.

pryce10 October 19th, 2017 5:30 PM

I do hope by the time switch pokemon game comes out we have cheaper version of switch... kinda like 2DS... when X and Y came out Nintendo announced 2DS relatively close... hopefully we have "2DS" version of switch

Pokken Lucario October 19th, 2017 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kikaito plush (Post 9777298)
Like I commented on an TyranitarTube video Just because Ultra Sun and Moon are the last 3DS pokemon games it doesn't mean the next gen/ Remake will be on the Switch..

Lol

Hikamaru October 19th, 2017 6:08 PM

I am not surprised the 3DS era is finally dead, because a hybrid console effectively kills off the need for handhelds of which the 3DS was the last survivor. It'll take me a very long time to get a Switch so this will easily be my last Pokemon game for a notable while.

Maserati777 October 19th, 2017 6:27 PM

This doesn't mean I will be getting rid of my 3ds's, I do all my shiny hunting in gen 6 so the consoles will be here to stay.
I did that before, I traded in my Xbox for the 360 with hopes that my favorite games would eventually be able to be used on it, they never did.... To be honest I wish I would have kept the Xbox.

They really peaked with the 3ds. Literally the item that got me back into Pokemon.


This reminds me of when they switched to the DS, I stopped playing Pokemon for like 10 years and skipped gens 4 and 5.. It wasn't only the DS, it was also the voice actors being changed and Gen 3 being kind of lackluster. But I never did buy a DS.

pryce10 October 19th, 2017 6:54 PM

I highly doubt we are getting a pokemon game in 2018... we will probably have a gap year and switch pokemon game will come out in late 2019... plenty of time for you guys to save money.

Sul_Silver October 19th, 2017 7:22 PM

Even though it is unlikely, has ANYONE thinked about that they might be talking about the old 3ds's and not about the "New" 3ds's?

colours October 19th, 2017 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sul_Silver (Post 9777539)
Even though it is unlikely, has ANYONE thinked about that they might be talking about the old 3ds's and not about the "New" 3ds's?

but why would they

Sul_Silver October 19th, 2017 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9777542)
but why would they

I'm not sure myself and I guess it is because i bought a 'New 2ds xl' recently and it just fells like i wasted my money now. ;-;

And in a more realistic view, it can be quite hard to implement features similar to Pokemon Refresh on the switch.

pastelspectre October 19th, 2017 8:16 PM

well this is upsetting. guess this will be my last pokemon game for quite a while as i'm always fucking broke and wont be able to get a switch for a long while. welp time for death

pkmin3033 October 19th, 2017 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SirBoglor (Post 9777447)
Lol what a bold statement. You seem to be mistaking Nintendo with The Pokémon Company and Game Freak. Check yourself before you wreck yourself my friend.

You honestly think they wouldn't keep making Pokemon titles on the 3DS if Nintendo weren't going to stop supporting the device within the next year or so? You buy that corporate bollocks they're spouting about doing "all they can do" with the 3DS?

...good for you, I guess. Also, if you could be less insulting, that'd be great, thanks.

Kikaito plush October 19th, 2017 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9777385)
Uh, they already announced back at this year's E3 that they were making a 'core' (aka main series) game for the Switch due sometime next year or later...

"Core" may turn out to be anything like Gamefreak's first spin off.

pryce10 October 20th, 2017 1:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kikaito plush (Post 9777609)
"Core" may turn out to be anything like Gamefreak's first spin off.

how is core a spin-off?

Kikaito plush October 20th, 2017 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pryce10 (Post 9777621)
how is core a spin-off?

I don't know but it's XD:Gale of Datkness an Core spin off ?

colours October 20th, 2017 1:13 AM

I genuinely don't get the concern, though.

We've had Pokemon handhelds for over 20 years. Pokemon has been on a handheld longer than some people on this forum have been alive. And traditionally, Pokemon has always moved on to new system after new system. From GB to GBA, from GBA to DS carts and from regular DS carts to 3DS carts. What Game Freak is doing is no different from what they've always been doing for like, ever.

Sucks for some of you that this is the end of the line, though. But don't act like you were suddenly surprised by this announcement by any means; this was obvious since.... June-ish at least?

Pokemon is going to become bigger and better than ever. I admit that I don't own a Switch myself yet, but I'm more excited than ever to own one because of the possibilities that Game Freak can achieve on the Switch in comparison to the 3DS games. Think of the new graphics, new features, things like that! It's the very reason why I always personally felt games like Pokemon Colosseum and XD on the Gamecube (of all things, really) were more immerse than their main series counterparts.

BlazingCobaltX October 20th, 2017 2:52 AM

This might end up to be my breaking point with the franchise. I'd really need to save up for it and I actually would like to see any promos and gameplay footage before I commit myself to doing that. There's probably a 1-2 year gap before that, but I'm not even excited for it. I'm genuinely sad to see the franchise leave the handheld families (because it's very unlikely NIntendo will release another handheld without a flagship like Pokémon). At least I, personally, still have a lot to do on the handheld games (playing Gen VI), and as long as they keep Wi-Fi services ongoing I will not be outraged.

I hope GameFreak won't shoot themselves in the foot either. The Switch's biggest problem at this moment is the lack of stock price, and I hope it won't end up pushing a lot of kids away from the games because their parents think a Switch is too expensive. My parents would've definitely thought that.

(It's also gonna be really weird to 'switch' back to one screen now.)

Iceshadow3317 October 20th, 2017 4:35 AM

First off..... Nintendo Switch is still a handheld gaming system.

Second, the price of a Nintendo 3DS was $249 when it first came out, then went down to $169. And the newest 3DS was $200 and still is 200. The Nintendo Switch is $300 so I fail to see a reason to complain about the price. People are buying that crap up like hot cakes. Not to mention the price will likely go down before the next pokemon game.

I will be buying a Nintendo Switch just for pokemon games, but they need to get some quantity control so it isn't so freaking hard to buy.

Also, most people will buy the Switch. They don't care about the price. It is a console. Even parents know the amount needed.

Next, why they hell would they make Pokemon games only for the newest 3DS, it is the same damn technology it just adds amibos and some other extra. When they said last 3DS game, they actually meant the LAST 3DS GAME.


And to the people saying you can't take a pokemon game series on a console, are you serious? We were able to play Ruby and Sapphire on the TV as long as we had a special adapter. How can you possibly say you can't take it seriously? I mean seriously.... Link, Mario.... they all were handhelds for the most part and they easily changed between the two for main series games, so why the hell can't pokemon?


You should have known that once the Switch started selling like hot cakes, that pokemon would eventually move to it. Especially since Switch is still a Handheld. A far more advanced handheld, but still a handheld.

janejane6178 October 20th, 2017 5:40 AM

I will miss the 3ds, but maybe its good to try something new

Pokken Lucario October 20th, 2017 6:19 AM

Can people just shut up on the i can't get the switch because it's cost too much ? the game will be out in late 2019... it's more than enough time to save money.

Maserati777 October 20th, 2017 7:52 AM

I can't see parents buying their kids a switch just because "Pokemon's on Switch now".

Isn't the Switch bigger then the 3ds? This is why I had so much hurting in my wrists when I first played the 3ds, it was heavier then the gameboy advance sp and it actually hurt to hold for more then 30 minutes. This looks even heavier and bigger then it. I didn't buy the xl, the regular one was heavier alone. As if thats needed.

Oh well I have to see the games first because if they are like gen 7 I can skip.

SirBoglor October 20th, 2017 8:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777575)
You honestly think they wouldn't keep making Pokemon titles on the 3DS if Nintendo weren't going to stop supporting the device within the next year or so? You buy that corporate bollocks they're spouting about doing "all they can do" with the 3DS?

...good for you, I guess. Also, if you could be less insulting, that'd be great, thanks.

Oh, I'm supposed to take this toxic spatter towards Nintendo/Game Freak seriously? My bad. You said something entirely false, then used that flawed logic to insult the company entertaining you for years. So you made the first move, friend.

And what were you expecting exactly? "Hi, there's a Switch game coming in 2018 but don't worry we'll keep making Pokemon games for the 3DS that you've had for at least 4 years and doesn't even know what HD is." That's incredibly unrealistic.

The Switch is the future for Nintendo, put plainly. Just because they're moving on from the 6 year old 3DS, doesn't mean it's a corporate anti-consumer scam or whatever nonsense you keep promoting.

clbgolden October 20th, 2017 8:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777575)
You honestly think they wouldn't keep making Pokemon titles on the 3DS if Nintendo weren't going to stop supporting the device within the next year or so? You buy that corporate bollocks they're spouting about doing "all they can do" with the 3DS?

...good for you, I guess. Also, if you could be less insulting, that'd be great, thanks.

I mean, they pretty much have done everything they could do with the 3DS? The hardware is six freaking years old, and it’s age is clearly showing (the lag in SM was real...). It’s time to move on.

I mean, I guess they could’ve made the next games New 3DS exclusive or something, but that wouldn’t really fix too much...

Caaethil October 20th, 2017 8:49 AM

Note to all: if you can save $1 every day until the release of Pokemon Switch, you'll be able to afford a Switch. Assuming it doesn't release super early, but also assuming you buy it at full price.

Obviously for some people money is stupidly tight and there are better things they could spend $30 a month on - that's fine, you do what you need to do. But that doesn't make it a mistake on the Pokemon Company's part.

BlazingCobaltX October 20th, 2017 9:34 AM

I am actually not particularly fond of the Switch; for me it doesn't feel like a true handheld (more like a regular console with handheld option) and its add-ons like the JoyPad are mad expensive. So even if I had the money I would be reluctant to buy it, really. But still, saving €1 a day is not gonna work if you 1) don't have a stable income, 2) are met with unexpected purchases and bills, which is what happens to everyone.

The only way I would buy a Switch right away is if it's gonna be a 2D Pokémon, but that would be a waste considering the graphical capabilities of the Switch. So yeah, not my thing.

Rengoku October 20th, 2017 10:14 AM

It's an issue with me that I hate on the Switch.
Remember guys, they DID say Switch is not going to replace the 3DS, so they might move on to another console with the main game (With releasing Pokemon to both Switch and that console).
The money isn't the issue for me-- Switch is. I hate it.

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Originally Posted by Pokken Lucario (Post 9777728)
Can people just shut up on the i can't get the switch because it's cost too much ? the game will be out in late 2019... it's more than enough time to save money.

And can you shut up because not everyone live on the top of luxury like you.
This is a forum, everyone are entitled to their opinions, this is what threads are for.
If it doesn't appeal to you then kindly learn to respect others' voices.

clbgolden October 20th, 2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gladion (Post 9777799)
It's an issue with me that I hate on the Switch.
Remember guys, they DID say Switch is not going to replace the 3DS, so they might move on to another console with the main game (With releasing Pokemon to both Switch and that console).
The money isn't the issue for me-- Switch is. I hate it.

Let’s be honest, they aren’t gonna make a 3DS replacement. The Switch is selling well and is both a home console and a portable. There’d be no reason to make another handheld.

HeroLinik October 20th, 2017 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9777803)
Let’s be honest, they aren’t gonna make a 3DS replacement. The Switch is selling well and is both a home console and a portable. There’d be no reason to make another handheld.

The problem is the 3DS now seems to be stagnating, because Nintendo haven't conceived a replacement for it. Not just because it's over 7 years old, but the gimmicks that came with the console, like the 3D and gyro controls, were only abused early on in the system's cycle. Now it's just a glorified DSi, which isn't helped by the fact that the 2DS is pretty much that just without 3D, so it would kinda defeat the object to require the 3D to proceed through games if you only owned a 2DS.

Well then again, there is the Switch, which is pretty much a console/handheld hybrid, but it was marketed as the successor to the Wii U, without anything being said about the 3DS, which is just...there.

pkmin3033 October 20th, 2017 10:50 AM

A 3DS successor isn't entirely out of the question, if there is sufficient interest and demand...and there will be. Don't think so? Just remember that there is still a niche market for PS Vita titles in the West, and think about how popular the 3DS is versus the PS Vita. If Nintendo have any business sense whatsoever - which they might; anti-consumer they may be, from a business standpoint a lot of their choices make sense - there will be a 3DS successor. Or, at the very least, a Switch Mini, more on par with the XL handheld sizes and at an affordable price point. That might seem like the more likely option, but then, this is Nintendo. Putting the NES/SNES Classic Mini games on the Switch Virtual Console would have seemed like a more logical move too.

What I'm most salty about is that its unlikely the Switch Pokemon game will come to the New 3DS. The New 3DS is more than capable of improving performance - it ran Hyrule Warriors at a more consistent frame rate than the Wii U. It squeezed in Xenoblade Chornicles 3D with fairly good resolution all things considered with no noticeable slowdown. It has Fire Emblem Warriors. The 3DS might be old, but the New 3DS is a pretty solid improvement. That could have at least three or four more years of life in it, and another generation of Pokemon titles. It should, in fact. There is no excuse for it not to.

I refuse to accept that it couldn't handle a Pokemon game built on the Switch too, and considering the visual upgrade likely will not be that substantial - although this does depend on the time we wait for release I would imagine - there is literally no excuse for them not to put it onto the New 3DS. Even the install base argument won't work, because it's been a while now since you could actually buy the old models, and even the standard sized 3DS has been phased out. It's industry bullshit, plain and simple.

colours October 20th, 2017 10:57 AM

If there was going to be a 3DS handheld successor you would think Nintendo would've announced the such by now instead of ~* extremely colorful *~ 2DS models like they've been doing the past couple of months.

pkmin3033 October 20th, 2017 11:08 AM

Not necessarily. Announcing it now would mean they wouldn't make as much money off those colourful 2DS models, and it might even negatively impact Switch sales on top of that...it seems unlikely, but then, I suspect part of the drive for the Switch - deliberate early stock shortages to drive later sales aside - is this perspective that it will be Nintendo's only console by the beginning of 2019 or so. The 3DS will definitely be around for at least another year - we already have several games announced for 2018 - so announcing the successor now would make little sense. Closer to the time of its outright discontinuation, perhaps. Or even as early as E3 next year, depending on what is on the cards.

Not only that, but Nintendo like to "surprise" people, so if it's anything other than a fully finalised and realised idea, they're not going to breath a word of it to anyone. That's how they've always done things. This wouldn't be any different. There have been exceptions to the rule, but by and large, when Nintendo reveal something, they're not far off from releasing it to the general public...and we sure as hell won't see a 3DS successor early next year, or probably even Winter 2018, if it even exists.

tl;dr I'd say it's too soon to rule out the possibility...especially considering its been talked about and not ruled out by those in the position to make it happen. That the Switch ISN't a successor to the 3DS throws the doors wide open, too.

colours October 20th, 2017 11:13 AM

Whats the point of a ""3DS successor"" if the New 3DS' potential, as you imply, has barely been tapped into? It would make more sense to release Pokemon as New 3DS exclusive rather than trash it for an entirely new handheld line. What's the point of the announcement if Iwao and Ohmori could just announce that future Pokemon titles would be New 3DS exclusives, instead?

Pokemon on the 3DS line as we know it is likely done for, no matter how you try to cherrypick the news, really.

pkmin3033 October 20th, 2017 11:20 AM

It would make more sense, but they'd probably use the install base argument for that - I mean, Nintendo already made the mistake of not differentiating two of their systems properly with the Wii and Wii U, and the New 3DS IS the 3DS, just with a more powerful processor. That makes it capable of more, but the general public isn't going to know/care about any of that - that'd be why the number of N3DS exclusives is so thin on the ground. The 3DS line is also still haunted by the failure of its primary gimmick of 3D no matter which way you cut it, so starting afresh with a new system would make more sense there. There are plenty of very valid and plausible reasons to create a 3DS successor.

True enough, but then, a 3DS successor would not be a part of the 3DS line, would it? Really, it's a separate point from the news.

BlazingCobaltX October 20th, 2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777819)
Or, at the very least, a Switch Mini

Would 100% buy if they did this actually.

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What I'm most salty about is that its unlikely the Switch Pokemon game will come to the New 3DS. The New 3DS is more than capable of improving performance - it ran Hyrule Warriors at a more consistent frame rate than the Wii U. It squeezed in Xenoblade Chornicles 3D with fairly good resolution all things considered with no noticeable slowdown. It has Fire Emblem Warriors. The 3DS might be old, but the New 3DS is a pretty solid improvement. That could have at least three or four more years of life in it, and another generation of Pokemon titles. It should, in fact. There is no excuse for it not to.

I think too little people are aware of the N3DS' existence or what exactly it improved, so the O3DS and N3DS are a bit too similar to differentiate games between, really. The few N3DS-exclusive games seemed kinda gimmicky too, even though the improved processor is definitely something worth exploiting. Alas, I think there will not be many more N3DS-exclusive titles, and it remains unsure whether the Switch is the successor of the 3DS or if they will actually come with a new handheld system. I'd prefer a new handheld generation, just because I think it allows for creativity if the handheld and console markets are kept separate.

pkmin3033 October 20th, 2017 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BlazingCobaltX (Post 9777845)
Would 100% buy if they did this actually.

Well, it's a popular theory amongst analysts, so who knows? I think it's fairly plausible personally, especially if the Switch will ultimately be Nintendo's only gaming platform in the future. They'll need to make that appeal to as many people as possible and, even if the Switch is designed to be portable, the fact remains that you can't carry it around in your pocket, and it IS very expensive. It needs its equivalent of the 2DS, if they're going solo with it.

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I think too little people are aware of the N3DS' existence or what exactly it improved, so the O3DS and N3DS are a bit too similar to differentiate games between, really. The few N3DS-exclusive games seemed kinda gimmicky too, even though the improved processor is definitely something worth exploiting. Alas, I think there will not be many more N3DS-exclusive titles, and it remains unsure whether the Switch is the successor of the 3DS or if they will actually come with a new handheld system. I'd prefer a new handheld generation, just because I think it allows for creativity if the handheld and console markets are kept separate.

Those differences aren't really noticeable unless you play certain games, either - have you tried playing Hyrule Warriors on an old 3DS? I have. It's painful. A lot of later 3DS titles run so much more smoothly on the N3DS, but in a way it's just a mid (or late) cycle upgrade, much the same way the PS4 Pro is to the PS4. Most people aren't going to know or care what the difference is, even though there IS a difference. It would not sit well with a lot of people if suddenly they couldn't play any 3DS games on their 3DS because it was the wrong one.

Unless Nintendo are a pack of liars - which they are, but let's not quibble - it has already been confirmed that the Switch is not a 3DS successor, and Nintendo has no interest or desire to push it as such. Honestly, with the popularity of smartphones and the complete failure on Sony's part to support the Vita (no matter what their former CEO might claim; you can't expect your device to sell if you don't put games on it) it would be phenomenally stupid of Nintendo to abandon the handheld market. No 3DS, or 3DS successor, would leave a massive gap in the market, because smartphone gaming is not a substitute or replacement for dedicated handheld gaming, and neither is the Switch. A hybrid is neither a console nor a handheld, and it doesn't fully fulfil the full potential of either market - it's too big to be a portable device in the same way the 3DS is, and it lags behind others in the market even docked. It's a Nintendo thing, yes.

But I think they still need the handheld market, and I hope they have the brains to realise they do as well. Not pushing the Switch as a 3DS successor is a good sign. But acknowledging the 3DS' dedicated install base and giving them something to move forward to - be that a successor or a proper handheld iteration of the Switch - would be better.

BlazingCobaltX October 20th, 2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Meyneth (Post 9777848)
Those differences aren't really noticeable unless you play certain games, either - have you tried playing Hyrule Warriors on an old 3DS? I have. It's painful. A lot of later 3DS titles run so much more smoothly on the N3DS, but in a way it's just a mid (or late) cycle upgrade, much the same way the PS4 Pro is to the PS4. Most people aren't going to know or care what the difference is, even though there IS a difference. It would not sit well with a lot of people if suddenly they couldn't play any 3DS games on their 3DS because it was the wrong one.

Unless Nintendo are a pack of liars - which they are, but let's not quibble - it has already been confirmed that the Switch is not a 3DS successor, and Nintendo has no interest or desire to push it as such. Honestly, with the popularity of smartphones and the complete failure on Sony's part to support the Vita (no matter what their former CEO might claim; you can't expect your device to sell if you don't put games on it) it would be phenomenally stupid of Nintendo to abandon the handheld market. No 3DS, or 3DS successor, would leave a massive gap in the market, because smartphone gaming is not a substitute or replacement for dedicated handheld gaming, and neither is the Switch. A hybrid is neither a console nor a handheld, and it doesn't fully fulfil the full potential of either market - it's too big to be a portable device in the same way the 3DS is, and it lags behind others in the market even docked. It's a Nintendo thing, yes.

But I think they still need the handheld market, and I hope they have the brains to realise they do as well. Not pushing the Switch as a 3DS successor is a good sign. But acknowledging the 3DS' dedicated install base and giving them something to move forward to - be that a successor or a proper handheld iteration of the Switch - would be better.

I have not played Hyrule Warriors, but I currently only own a N3DS so I've been playing Moon on that. I've heard a lot of my friends about the insane lag during double battles - while the lag is still there, it's considerably less than what I've seen happening on the O3DS and the 2DS.

I agree fully, and that's what bothers me a lot about what they're potentially gonna do: I think it's a huge waste if Nintendo would drop the handheld market as a separate market and try to converge it with their console market. The two are honestly too different and Nintendo doing this would result in the handheld market being completely empty - something unimaginable. The Switch cannot replace the 3DS fully because the console market requires an entirely different model, and bringing the two markets together would result in a loss of playerbase because they cannot adhere to the needs of both. That's why the Switch's hybrid position doesn't sit right with me. I really hope Nintendo knows better and develops a new handheld system.

Thinking about this actually made me more positive about there being a different 3DS successor. Whether Pokémon will be on there is a different question.

pkmin3033 October 20th, 2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlazingCobaltX (Post 9777857)
I have not played Hyrule Warriors, but I currently only own a N3DS so I've been playing Moon on that. I've heard a lot of my friends about the insane lag during double battles - while the lag is still there, it's considerably less than what I've seen happening on the O3DS and the 2DS.

I agree fully, and that's what bothers me a lot about what they're potentially gonna do: I think it's a huge waste if Nintendo would drop the handheld market as a separate market and try to converge it with their console market. The two are honestly too different and Nintendo doing this would result in the handheld market being completely empty - something unimaginable. The Switch cannot replace the 3DS fully because the console market requires an entirely different model, and bringing the two markets together would result in a loss of playerbase because they cannot adhere to the needs of both. That's why the Switch's hybrid position doesn't sit right with me. I really hope Nintendo knows better and develops a new handheld system.

Thinking about this actually made me more positive about there being a different 3DS successor. Whether Pokémon will be on there is a different question.

Really, you need to run the two side-by-side, or alternate regularly, to notice the difference I think. I never experienced any issues with Moon...at least in terms of performance.

I think the Switch is Nintendo's attempt to do something different, much like they did the Wii. It's working, to be sure, but it doesn't negate the fact that at its heart, the Switch is still a console first and foremost and can't take the place of a handheld system. At least, not currently. A miniaturised version would solve that problem to an extent I suppose, but a dedicated handheld system that followed in the footsteps of the 3DS would do far better at that. Either way, I can't see Nintendo abandoning the handheld market fully, and I wouldn't write it off until E3 2019 at the earliest unless someone from Nintendo states categorically there will be no 3DS successor. With their stated intention to support the handheld "through 2018 and beyond" it would make little sense to announce a successor at this stage...although not having Pokemon games on it doesn't speak much for their words, because Pokemon has always been the biggest handheld-shifter. Which is why I'd call them a pack of liars for saying they'll support it that long, missing its biggest hitting series.

I don't think it's entirely out of the question...I mean, look at Nintendo's other successful franchises. Zelda, Mario, Metroid; these all have 2D and 3D variations on handheld and console that co-exist, and both sell phenomenally well. There is no reason why Pokemon moving to the Switch should spell an end to 2D handheld titles, and why if there was a 3DS successor, it couldn't have Pokemon titles too.

This is part of what irritates me - with the N3DS an untapped resource, announcing the end of Pokemon on it is, to my mind, premature. It makes no business sense - discontinuing a series on one platform in favour of another will not boost sales, it will just mean less sales because you're excluding an audience from that experience. If this thread is any indicator, a lot of people will not be buying a Switch for Pokemon for one reason or another, and that's wasted opportunity and revenue by not having an equivalent on the N3DS.

Pinkie-Dawn October 20th, 2017 1:01 PM

Lets take a look at the definition of what culmination means from a quick google search:

"The highest or climactic point of something, especially as attained after a long time."

Nowhere does it mean the "last," only the highest or pinnacle of something. Gen II was considered to be the "pinnacle" of the series yet it still continued, and Gen IV was considered to be the "ultimate" in terms of competitive gameplay yet we still get new additions to the metagame in later gens.

clbgolden October 20th, 2017 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 9777885)
Lets take a look at the definition of what culmination means from a quick google search:

"The highest or climactic point of something, especially as attained after a long time."

Nowhere does it mean the "last," only the highest or pinnacle of something. Gen II was considered to be the "pinnacle" of the series yet it still continued, and Gen IV was considered to be the "ultimate" in terms of competitive gameplay yet we still get new additions to the metagame in later gens.

The exact wording of the interview doesn’t really matter at this point, USUM being the last 3DS Pokémon games has pretty much been confirmed since June (which is why I’m confused as to why people are so surprised about this...).

Kai October 20th, 2017 2:18 PM

Pokemon had a good run on the 3DS and we have another game coming out next month so I don't mind if the next major game is on a new system. I get the feeling it will be a Switch/N3DS exclusive if it's a typical successor with a new region, new Pokemon, and so on.

colours October 20th, 2017 5:32 PM

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I agree fully, and that's what bothers me a lot about what they're potentially gonna do: I think it's a huge waste if Nintendo would drop the handheld market as a separate market and try to converge it with their console market. The two are honestly too different and Nintendo doing this would result in the handheld market being completely empty - something unimaginable. The Switch cannot replace the 3DS fully because the console market requires an entirely different model, and bringing the two markets together would result in a loss of playerbase because they cannot adhere to the needs of both. That's why the Switch's hybrid position doesn't sit right with me. I really hope Nintendo knows better and develops a new handheld system.

...And then what? Nintendo develops a new handheld system that, hardware-wise, is superior to the (N)3DS and it ends up costing you almost as much as the Switch at launch anyway, so what are you really gaining here? Let's not forget that the N3DS at launch was like $250 iirc; a moderately superior system that would actually be a viable alternative to the Switch would end up costing $300 anyway. Why spend that kind of money on a DS system when you can just get a Switch? Just get a Switch Mini in that case when it becomes a thing (which it most likely will).

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If this thread is any indicator, a lot of people will not be buying a Switch for Pokemon for one reason or another, and that's wasted opportunity and revenue by not having an equivalent on the N3DS.
lol a few salty posters on a pokemon forum is not representative of Nintendo's consumer base at large; if the Switch's stock is anything to go by, Nintendo has nothing to worry about and their system will continue to sell like hot cakes, especially as it approaches the holiday season.

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I don't get it. There's so much salt in this thread for the most ridiculous reasons. Can't afford a Switch? Fine. Sucks, but gaming to the best of my knowledge was always a rather increasingly expensive hobby; unless you live under a rock, this should've been apparent the moment anyone jumped from a DS to a N3DS for the sake of Pokemon. This is literally no different.

Also, Pokemon games would be more viable candidates for New Nintendo 3DS consoles if Nintendo actually gave a shit about developing New Nintendo 3DS exclusives. I'm pretty sure the number of N3DS exclusives are less than what you can count on one hand. So yeah. it's likely not happening.

While there's a possibility of a 3DS successor... why would the announcement be made of main series Pokemon games being on the Switch months ago? Why didn't Game Freak make the announcement that they were developing their next Pokemon games on an upcoming handheld, instead (they can be perfectly vague about it)? That's why I don't entirely buy the whole "wait, Pokemon might be on the next handheld, too!", because we would've heard the such from Game Freak a while ago (either Omohri or Masuda or someone else, really).

If Pokemon games take like, one to two years or so to develop, then announcing it a few months back would've been a perfect time as a teaser to get people hyped for the next handheld. But no, that's not what happened at all. So I'm fairly skeptical of any possibility of a 3DS successor, simply because Nintendo seems to be betting all their cards on the Switch and a new handheld would just take attention from that, really.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 20th, 2017 5:52 PM

I too doubt that Nintendo will make a new handheld, at least any time soon. I mean, they did have plans to make one but that was established as Plan B should the Switch flop, and thus far the Switch is doing great!

clbgolden October 20th, 2017 5:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire (Post 9777989)
I too doubt that Nintendo will make a new handheld, at least any time soon. I mean, they did have plans to make one but that was established as Plan B should the Switch flop, and thus far the Switch is doing great!

Pretty much this. I feel like the whole “we’re considering a 3DS successor” quote was pretty much meant to be taken as “if the Switch freaking tanks we’ll make a 3DS successor”.

The Switch is doing very well, so I honestly don’t see a HDS or something like that in the near future. The Switch seems to fill the role of both home console and handheld, so at best maybe they’ll release a “Switch Lite” or something.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 20th, 2017 6:04 PM

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Pretty much this. I feel like the whole “we’re considering a 3DS successor” quote was pretty much meant to be taken as “if the Switch freaking tanks we’ll make a 3DS successor”.

The Switch is doing very well, so I honestly don’t see a HDS or something like that in the near future. The Switch seems to fill the role of both home console and handheld, so at best maybe they’ll release a “Switch Lite” or something.

Yup ^^. Considering that we got the relatively cheap (compared to the 3DS) 2DS at the same time XY came out, there's a chance that we might get said 'Switch Lite' by the time Gen VIII comes out :3 (interestingly, the DS Lite came out a few months before the release of Diamond and Pearl too! So a slim version of the Switch by the time of Gen VIII isn't out of the question :) ).

Zeiro October 20th, 2017 7:36 PM

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I still feel that the Switch is likely to not work out. Pokemon main series games on tv is something i can't take seriously and i don't think i will ever like that.

You need to remember, the Switch is a hybrid console. You can play it handheld, or you can play it on the TV, it's entirely up to you. The Switch is still rather new, Pokemon Switch isn't due out until 2018 at the earliest, that's more than enough time for price drops and savings to come into ones pocket. But even with saying that, there is such a stigma against the Switch and Pokemon - "I'm not buying a Switch just for Pokemon", "Pokemon on home console is going to flop" - but since Pokemon originated on handhelds, there's no doubt in my mind that they're going to release something akin a "Switch Mini" in the future. Essentially it would be a downgraded Nintendo Switch console (much like the 2DS, which no one expected, Nintendo just release a promo video on social media and BA<) that would be a cheaper and more affordable alternative for those who want to play a few games, like Pokemon for example. All they need to do is cut down on the size of the Switch, and remove the dock from the bundle, and you've basically got yourself a new handheld or a successor to the 3DS that can still play Switch games. Yes, the Switch is mostly marketed as a home console, and game companies never release consoles in different versions other than storage/design, but considering how flexible the Switch is, and the fact that it is a handheld, I think it's rather naive to believe that the Switch in it's current form is the definitive version until their next gen console.

Altairis October 20th, 2017 8:01 PM

are people forgetting that the name of the system comes from the fact it can switch between a handheld and a console system? are people forgetting that in almost every advertisement for the switch there is a large portion of someone carrying the switch around... in a handheld fashion? are people forgetting that nintendo doesn't care if YOU don't want the switch, if YOU don't think it's a handheld, they're gonna market it and sell it what they want it to be? which is a handheld AND console?

I agree with the people freaking out over price though. sure it's marketed at $300 but my local gamestop in America only sells it in bundles of $500 because they don't have any. Now I'm in Kyoto, hometown of Nintendo, I pass the Nintendo building and go straight to an electronics store, and they don't have any in stock at all, much less for the suggested price. my thoughts are that before they push for something as big as Pokemon to be exclusively on the Switch, it needs to be more widely distributed (I've said this before in other threads and I don't mean to make it a thing again, sorry mods)

also we don't really have any information on the actual game, I suggest that maybe we take a chill break until USUM comes out, then we'll probably get more information. no need to freak out about potential lack of anything on the next games or how you hate the switch or anything else now.

pkmin3033 October 20th, 2017 9:24 PM

For crying out loud, the Switch stock issues are a deliberate marketing ploy by Nintendo to make sure later units sell. They're like a toymaker, holding back items to drive that desire for it so that it sells later when they flood the market with units. It's not that they can't make enough to meet demand, it's that they WON'T. They have ALWAYS done this with their consoles. Look at the NES and SNES Classic as very recent examples. I guarantee you that by mid-2018 you will be able to walk into any store and buy either of those. Yes, the Switch is doing very well, but the early shipments sold out so quickly because there were so few of them, and they're selling out now because that desire for it has gone up in the absence of stock.

If Nintendo had done what Sony or Microsoft had done and made sure that they had enough of a supply to meet demand from Day #1 - which is absolutely something they could do - those figures would not have seemed half as impressive, and this "out of stock everywhere!" hype and panic from consumers would not have come into effect. It's very clever - especially considering it takes time for new consoles to build up a library of games - but let's not mistake it for what it isn't, hm? Also worth noting is that its still early in the console's life, and of course sales are going to be high, because people are going to be rushing to pick them up, especially because Nintendo deliberately don't produce enough to meet demand. Whether or not this trend will continue is another matter entirely. That's far too soon to call.

I find it interesting that people don't really understand how Nintendo operate despite having seen this so many times. Why would they announce a new handheld system when they're trying to currently market the hell out of the Switch? How well the Switch is doing or not doing has no bearing whatsoever on whether the 3DS gets a successor - the interest in a successor will determine that. That will not lessen thanks to the Switch. But announcing it now if its in the works would be pure stupidity, as it will draw attention away from the Switch, which is not even a year old yet and needs an established install base before they can move onto something else. That is likely, in part, why they haven't discontinued the 3DS line yet too. But the bottom line is that Nintendo are going to want their products to meet as many hands as possible, and they will not do this through one system alone.

And acting like a dedicated handheld system cannot exist alongside the Switch? That's nonsense. The Switch does NOT plug that gap in the handheld market that would be left by the 3DS' discontinuation, hybrid bollocks or no, and if that had been the case Nintendo would have marketed the Switch as a replacement for the 3DS from the get-go, which they are not doing. The intention to support the 3DS alongside the Switch is there (although I will freely admit that Nintendo may be saying that to just drive 2DS XL sales; they're certainly not above such scummy tactics) and logically, if they can support the 3DS alongside the Switch, they could support a different handheld in the future. Once the Switch has an established install base and a library of titles behind it, I would fully expect them to do just that. But introducing two new systems in such a short space of time is extremely risky...and costly for consumers, too.

One more key thing, too - money. That's all Nintendo care about, and the more systems they have out there, the more money they're going to make. The NES and SNES Classic are a thing, and you would have thought that they would have put those on the Switch VC, which I think they've left alone thus far because they're relying on other tactics to shift units...like not releasing enough of those units to push up demand. They should have stopped supporting the 3DS by now - or at least not stated intentions to support it beyond 2018 - if the Switch is their main focus. Even if the Switch continues to do well, it will not be enough for Nintendo.

And the install base for the 3DS is gigantic. There is definitely more than enough interest in handheld gaming because the 3DS is STILL selling units, despite all this whining that the hardware is ancient and it's time to "move on" and whatever else people bitter and impatient to be done with it are saying. Maybe there won't be a successor, but acting like the Switch would be sufficient is both illogical from a business perspective and would be so unlike Nintendo that, to me, it seems foolish to discount the possibility entirely. They're already disproving this by continuing to support the 3DS and releasing garbage like the NES and SNES Classic. Nintendo are not Sony and Microsoft - they will not pin all of their hopes on a single device no matter how well it sells. They haven't done that since before the Gameboy was released.

As for Pokemon - it's a system seller. One of their biggest. Announcing a new handheld system right now will lead people to the inevitable conclusion that this will be the new home for Pokemon - although I can't see why, as every other franchise they have has a 2D and 3D iteration - and will drive interest in it down in the long term, which will be bad for sales, and bad for the Switch, which they are still marketing the hell out of. Announce a new handheld now, consumers will put off buying a Switch, under the assumption that the new handheld will be cheaper and, in all likelihood, backwards compatible with their existing library of titles. That's a fairly safe assumption to make because Nintendo handhelds have ALWAYS been backwards compatible. For a while their consoles were as well. Announcing it now is a bad decision. But ruling it out for a future event because they haven't announced it now? Jumping the gun, I think.

Either way, let's not mistake this announcement or the Switch's current performance as an indicator that it will be Nintendo's only system in the future, and the sole home of Pokemon titles, because there is nowhere near enough information to support that, and looking at it historically Nintendo have always had two systems on the market, and there is no reason for that to change. They OWN the handheld market. The 3DS cannot last forever, unfortunately - especially if it will no longer have Pokemon titles on it - and splitting the install base by supporting the New 3DS only going forward will piss a lot of people off and confuse others. Let's see what 2018 and 2019 bring. If we haven't had a successor announced by the end of 2019, I'll believe one isn't coming. Until then...who knows.

Also, yes, these things cost too much and it is phenomenally unfair to the consumer. Especially considering Nintendo games rarely if ever drop in price, and sometimes even INCREASE in price as time goes on. They've mitigated that somewhat with the 3DS with the Nintendo Selects line of games, but even on online websites there isn't a huge difference between the RRP of a Nintendo game and the price they charge for one. That Nintendo are showing increasing susceptibility to exploitative schemes like season passes and outrageously priced downloadable content - and then there's locking things behind Amiibo figures; don't even get me started on that - is only more worrying for the future. People have a right to complain about prices.

clbgolden October 21st, 2017 4:11 AM

... You lost me at “the Switch stock issues are a deliberate marketing ploy”.

blue October 21st, 2017 4:34 AM

I was pretty much expecting this to be the case once they'd announced that a Switch title was in the works for 2018/2019. I think USUM will be a great swansong for the 3DS era, a nice way to wrap up what has been a great generation.

colours October 21st, 2017 4:37 AM

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For crying out loud, the Switch stock issues are a deliberate marketing ploy

ok let's try not to have the tinfoil hat on a bit too tightly, yeah? cause obviously there's no such thing as high consumer demand that Nintendo didn't see coming, especially after the failure of the Wii U, which is interesting considering you never considered this point throughout your entire argument.

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I find it interesting that people don't really understand how Nintendo operate despite having seen this so many times. Why would they announce a new handheld system when they're trying to currently market the hell out of the Switch?
So if they're currently marketing the hell out of the Switch (and will seem to do so for the foreseeable future), how the flippity hell are they going to introduce a new handheld at any point in the future, considering doing so would detract from their console sales? Why get a Wii U when the 3DS is a superior game console in literally every way including being SIGNIFICANTLY more portable? Have you even noticed the way Nintendo has even marketed the Switch so far? They market its portability above all else. The question then becomes "why would I purchase a new handheld system that does the same shit as the Switch when I can just get a Switch".

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How well the Switch is doing or not doing has no bearing whatsoever on whether the 3DS gets a successor - the interest in a successor will determine that. That will not lessen thanks to the Switch. But announcing it now if its in the works would be pure stupidity, as it will draw attention away from the Switch, which is not even a year old yet and needs an established install base before they can move onto something else. That is likely, in part, why they haven't discontinued the 3DS line yet too. But the bottom line is that Nintendo are going to want their products to meet as many hands as possible, and they will not do this through one system alone.
... ???

How well the Switch is doing is obviously indicative of people's interest in the Switch itself. If you think about it in the business sense, why would they develop a shiny new handheld at any point in time when the Switch has generated interest and excitement not seen since Nintendo introduced the original Wii? At that point, you just take advantage of people's increased interest on the console market; not divide your consumer base and make them choose one or another, that's ridiculous. Why do you think Sony's handheld market has bombed in the West??

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And acting like a dedicated handheld system cannot exist alongside the Switch? That's nonsense. The Switch does NOT plug that gap in the handheld market that would be left by the 3DS' discontinuation, hybrid bollocks or no, and if that had been the case Nintendo would have marketed the Switch as a replacement for the 3DS from the get-go, which they are not doing. The intention to support the 3DS alongside the Switch is there (although I will freely admit that Nintendo may be saying that to just drive 2DS XL sales; they're certainly not above such scummy tactics) and logically, if they can support the 3DS alongside the Switch, they could support a different handheld in the future. Once the Switch has an established install base and a library of titles behind it, I would fully expect them to do just that. But introducing two new systems in such a short space of time is extremely risky...and costly for consumers, too.
Sure a dedicated handheld system can exist alongside the Switch; it'll likely be the 3DS. Let's not forget that Pokemon, while certainly a 3DS flagship title, isn't the only title on the 3DS....

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One more key thing, too - money. That's all Nintendo care about, and the more systems they have out there, the more money they're going to make.
This is only because their handhelds have historically been significantly cheaper than their consoles, making them an actual viable cost-worthy alternative for Nintendo's consoles for consumers. I mean, "supporting the 3DS from 2018 and beyond" can mean anything; they can just crap out new 2DS models every so often like they have been just to keep interest alive in their handhelds, but it'd be rather counterproductive to, again, make an entire new generation of handhelds that (lets be honest with ourselves, here) would rival the Switch in price, and Nintendo would gain nothing from it except divided interest and revenue loss.

Keep in mind that Nintendo lost $49 million when the Wii U crumbled to absolute dust. I dunno, maybe this is just me, but I'm fairly certain that they're keen on not making that mistake again by doing everything in their power to maintain interest in the Switch, which includes not introducing a new handheld.

Also, lets keep in mind that Nintendo could actually stand to lose money and find themselves in a rather disadvantageous position by introducing a separate handheld like that doesn't differentiate itself enough from the existing (N)3DS line. It'd be a smarter business tactic to capitalize on the existing (N)3DS consumer market rather than force people to buy a new handheld entirely just for the sake of supporting the Switch.

While you do have a point in regards to consumer interest, so far I've seen no data that people prefer a 3DS successor compared to the Switch. If this was the case, you'd expect the Switch to tank as a strong message to Nintendo that obviously the console market is not their strongest point as of recent and they should focus more on their handhelds, but obviously that is not the reality that we live in.

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And the install base for the 3DS is gigantic. There is definitely more than enough interest in handheld gaming because the 3DS is STILL selling units, despite all this whining that the hardware is ancient and it's time to "move on" and whatever else people bitter and impatient to be done with it are saying. Maybe there won't be a successor, but acting like the Switch would be sufficient is both illogical from a business perspective and would be so unlike Nintendo that, to me, it seems foolish to discount the possibility entirely. They're already disproving this by continuing to support the 3DS and releasing garbage like the NES and SNES Classic. Nintendo are not Sony and Microsoft - they will not pin all of their hopes on a single device no matter how well it sells. They haven't done that since before the Gameboy was released.
No one made the point that Nintendo is going to kill the 3DS; it's just that Pokemon likely won't be on it anymore. That doesn't mean Nintendo can't come up with new IPs or work with devs to continue developing titles for the 3DS, so I don't really understand the meaning of that entire paragraph or what it's supposed to really refute.

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As for Pokemon - it's a system seller. One of their biggest. Announcing a new handheld system right now will lead people to the inevitable conclusion that this will be the new home for Pokemon - although I can't see why, as every other franchise they have has a 2D and 3D iteration - and will drive interest in it down in the long term, which will be bad for sales, and bad for the Switch, which they are still marketing the hell out of. Announce a new handheld now, consumers will put off buying a Switch, under the assumption that the new handheld will be cheaper and, in all likelihood, backwards compatible with their existing library of titles. That's a fairly safe assumption to make because Nintendo handhelds have ALWAYS been backwards compatible. For a while their consoles were as well. Announcing it now is a bad decision. But ruling it out for a future event because they haven't announced it now? Jumping the gun, I think.
Announcing it any point would be a bad decision for reasons you've already stated. "Why should I waste my money on the Switch when there's a perfectly viable, cheaper candidate that has better quality titles on it and is more portable?" Even down the line when the Switch becomes a more established console with a larger library is no excuse for Nintendo to sit on their laurels and start utilizing resources for a new handheld generation when they could be using those same resources to further capitalize gains on the Switch, which they have utterly failed doing with the Wii U.

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Either way, let's not mistake this announcement or the Switch's current performance as an indicator that it will be Nintendo's only system in the future, and the sole home of Pokemon titles, because there is nowhere near enough information to support that, and looking at it historically Nintendo have always had two systems on the market, and there is no reason for that to change. They OWN the handheld market. The 3DS cannot last forever, unfortunately - especially if it will no longer have Pokemon titles on it - and splitting the install base by supporting the New 3DS only going forward will piss a lot of people off and confuse others. Let's see what 2018 and 2019 bring. If we haven't had a successor announced by the end of 2019, I'll believe one isn't coming. Until then...who knows.
Nintendo has always had two systems in the market, and they were able to do well with those two systems simply because there was enough of a difference and it was advantageous and more economically friendly (to the best of my knowledge) to have two systems on the market and develop new games for both. Unless you count the Gamecube, up until now their consoles have never been portable and were always meant for home entertainment, which is why people bought into their handheld lines in the first place (aside from cost). Now that you have a console that's marketed towards portability, what's the incentive for consumers to purchase a new handheld that does exactly the same thing?

Saying the Switch is a replacement for the 3DS might be a bit of a stretch considering the 3DS is still doing rather well of course, but there's no real gain for making an alternative system that does nearly the exact same thing as the Switch which costs nearly as much (because it will). That would be counterproductive and Nintendo would only shoot themselves in the foot because of it.

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Also, yes, these things cost too much and it is phenomenally unfair to the consumer. Especially considering Nintendo games rarely if ever drop in price, and sometimes even INCREASE in price as time goes on. They've mitigated that somewhat with the 3DS with the Nintendo Selects line of games, but even on online websites there isn't a huge difference between the RRP of a Nintendo game and the price they charge for one. That Nintendo are showing increasing susceptibility to exploitative schemes like season passes and outrageously priced downloadable content - and then there's locking things behind Amiibo figures; don't even get me started on that - is only more worrying for the future. People have a right to complain about prices.
Price is another reason why I doubt that Nintendo would create a new generation of handhelds. Again, it's likely that a new generation of handhelds would cost just about as much as the Switch itself, so why bother utilizing resources and money when Nintendo isn't going to see much gain from it relative to what they're charging consumers? The Switch itself is evident that Nintendo isn't going to keep their consoles around the $250 price forever like they've traditionally have with the Wii and the Wii U, so who's to say that they won't charge $300 for a similarly advanced handheld? If you want to talk about pricing the next generation handheld, you want to do so while keeping in mind the success of your console market at the same time and not bomb that as well.

This isn't to say that the next generation of handhelds is an impossibility. Unless I've missed something in this thread, no one is arguing that. It'd just be significantly disadvantageous compared to already supporting the (N)3DS market. Otherwise, Nintendo is going to have a tough time selling to existing N3DS/Switch owners to purchase an entirely new handheld which doesn't offer them much of what they don't already have.

Palamon October 21st, 2017 9:01 AM

I'm so fucking pissed right now. If Pokemon stops being portable, I won't be able to play any of the new games, so Pokemon being done w/main 3ds game really upsets me.

BlazingCobaltX October 21st, 2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by colours (Post 9777975)
...And then what? Nintendo develops a new handheld system that, hardware-wise, is superior to the (N)3DS and it ends up costing you almost as much as the Switch at launch anyway, so what are you really gaining here? Let's not forget that the N3DS at launch was like $250 iirc; a moderately superior system that would actually be a viable alternative to the Switch would end up costing $300 anyway. Why spend that kind of money on a DS system when you can just get a Switch? Just get a Switch Mini in that case when it becomes a thing (which it most likely will).

It's just wishful thinking; I stated earlier in the thread that I just really don't like the Switch and that I'd prefer not buy it (unless they bring out a Switch Mini). You are right about the cost, it's something I didn't consider in my argument because I've bought my own N3DS second-hand and didn't really feel anything of its actual price. I don't understand the €200 price tag, but that's off-topic.

clbgolden October 21st, 2017 10:14 AM

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I'm so ****ing pissed right now. If Pokemon stops being portable, I won't be able to play any of the new games, so Pokemon being done w/main 3ds game really upsets me.

The Switch is still a portable tho.

Palamon October 21st, 2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9778424)
The Switch is still a portable tho.

Yeah, but it's over three hundred dollars? So.

Desert Stream~ October 21st, 2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mezzo (Post 9778435)
Yeah, but it's over three hundred dollars? So.

well like some users have stated, that price will likely go down. Anyways, the wii U was also $300 at first, so while it is a lot, it's not like they're doing anything unbelievably bad...

Kikaito plush October 21st, 2017 12:32 PM

People forgot the switch is not an handheld but an portable Home console

clbgolden October 21st, 2017 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mezzo (Post 9778435)
Yeah, but it's over three hundred dollars? So.

The 3DS was $250 when it first released before price drops. Price drops will probably happen with the Switch as well.

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People forgot the switch is not an handheld but an portable Home console

What’s the difference?? If I can take it on the go then it’s still a handheld.

WingsofBliss October 21st, 2017 5:44 PM

I really don't understand the price complaints about this announcement... for one, the price of the Switch will most likely go down by the time the new game comes out. For two, like what was suggested earlier, there's plenty of time between then and now to save up a little bit here and there; before you know it, you'll have enough money for both the console and the game. I really liked the suggestion of saving $1 a day until the game's release.

But I have a question though... do we even know if it's dual games we're getting, or is it a singular game? IIRC, they didn't use plural wording when making the announcement.

On a side-note, here's an interesting article regarding all 3 games:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-for-switch-is-helped-by-ultra-sun-and-moon/1100-6454169/

Alexander18 October 21st, 2017 6:43 PM

It costs over 500 where i am to get a Switch. Plus the games costs about 70-80 dollars. They really want people to spend as much as possible on a system i think will be a utter failure.

Kikaito plush October 21st, 2017 11:33 PM

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What’s the difference?? If I can take it on the go then it’s still a handheld.

It is sold as an portable home console not handheld

clbgolden October 22nd, 2017 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander18 (Post 9778681)
It costs over 500 where i am to get a Switch. Plus the games costs about 70-80 dollars. They really want people to spend as much as possible on a system i think will be a utter failure.

... An utter failure that’s sold over four million units since July (or August, I forget) and has probably sold even more now?

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Originally Posted by Kikaito plush (Post 9778787)
It is sold as an portable home console not handheld

Yeah but

What’s the difference? If you can take it on the go, it’s still part handheld. It’s not like being part console changes much.

Kikaito plush October 22nd, 2017 6:30 AM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9778898)

What’s the difference? If you can take it on the go, it’s still part handheld. It’s not like being part console changes much.

but can you fit in in your pocket like other handhelds ?

colours October 22nd, 2017 6:34 AM

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but can you fit in in your pocket like other handhelds ?

https://i.imgur.com/TTB5bYa.png

Kikaito plush October 22nd, 2017 6:51 AM

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Well Nintendo is selling it as an portable home console

clbgolden October 22nd, 2017 8:33 AM

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but can you fit in in your pocket like other handhelds ?

Yes, surprisingly it fits much better than my N3DS XL.

Mawa October 22nd, 2017 8:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kikaito plush (Post 9778487)
People forgot the switch is not an handheld but an portable Home console

As a handheld console lover, I have to say my Switch works well and a handheld! And transport cases are available. Have to admit I don't take it everywhere because it is more frail than a DS imo.

I don't feel I would take my Switch to an event if I want to meet someone and play Pokemon... Like I did with my 2DS

Alexander18 October 22nd, 2017 9:48 AM

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... An utter failure that’s sold over four million units since July (or August, I forget) and has probably sold even more now?

I personally think the Switch would be a failure. I just can't picture a main series game doing well on it.

clbgolden October 22nd, 2017 11:07 AM

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I personally think the Switch would be a failure. I just can't picture a main series game doing well on it.

It’s a main series Pokémon game, for it to not do well the Switch would have to fail HORRIBLY, which as of now isn’t the case.

Nah October 22nd, 2017 11:56 AM

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Yes, surprisingly it fits much better than my N3DS XL.

How big is the Switch's portable half exactly, compared to a 3DS or 3DS XL?

clbgolden October 22nd, 2017 12:36 PM

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How big is the Switch's portable half exactly, compared to a 3DS or 3DS XL?

I’d say it’s a little bit bigger than the XL (when closed), but at least half as thick.

Though I should note that this is with the Joycons detached, but I usually just put the Joycons in one pocket and the Switch in the other.

Alexander18 October 22nd, 2017 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by clbgolden (Post 9779131)
It’s a main series Pokémon game, for it to not do well the Switch would have to fail HORRIBLY, which as of now isn’t the case.

Well i feel that the Switch is unnatural. I don't know if i can support GF's decision to move pokemon on to this. It looks like i won't be able to carry the Switch in my pocket. I don't want to walk around with the Switch in my hand especially in public.


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