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Hyzenthlay April 29th, 2018 6:16 AM

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That seems fitting.

FeraligatrMaster April 29th, 2018 6:29 AM

17.

The line is based on otters and samurais, after all.

Hyzenthlay April 29th, 2018 9:35 AM

18

It'd make a change from Fire starters getting it, at least!

FeraligatrMaster April 29th, 2018 10:27 AM

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Yeah, like Chesnaught being the first Grass starter to get the Fighting type.

XNaut April 29th, 2018 11:38 AM

20

Has awesome moves.

Samurott

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FeraligatrMaster April 29th, 2018 11:41 AM

11.

Samurott will also go up.

XNaut April 29th, 2018 11:52 AM

12

When in battle, Samurott can stand on its hind legs and use one of its blades as a sword to fight.

FeraligatrMaster April 29th, 2018 12:51 PM

13.

It has little pockets in its legs, in which it hides swords.

XNaut April 29th, 2018 1:05 PM

14

It can silence foes with a glare or a howl.

FeraligatrMaster April 30th, 2018 12:11 AM

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It can't learn the moves Glare or Howl, though.

Hyzenthlay April 30th, 2018 9:51 AM

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I was actually quite surprised by Samurott's design when it was announced. I like it, but I expected something different.

FeraligatrMaster April 30th, 2018 9:55 AM

17.

It went quadrupedal when its prevos were bipedal.

Hyzenthlay April 30th, 2018 10:07 AM

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I lot of people seem to get sore over starters going bipedal. I really don't mind either way.

FeraligatrMaster April 30th, 2018 10:28 AM

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I really don't get why people would throw such a fuss when quadrupedal starters go bipedal. If anything, going bipedal would actually help those Pokemon.

VisionofMilotic April 30th, 2018 12:18 PM

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Yay Samurott! We won one for China with the Tepig line, France with Snivy and now Japan is safe.

I think Patrat's up next. I'm neutral, will vote whichever way.
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FeraligatrMaster April 30th, 2018 12:32 PM

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I hate the Patrat line, so I'll vote them down.

VisionofMilotic April 30th, 2018 12:44 PM

8

Down he goes then. Its almost so bad its cute.

FeraligatrMaster April 30th, 2018 12:54 PM

7.

There are people who find Patrat and even Watchog cute, but I'm not one of them.

VisionofMilotic April 30th, 2018 1:05 PM

6

What can I say. Look at those stats... I'm not even able to remember its movepool.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:40 AM

5.

Its stats are miserably low. I don't know why Game Freak always does that with regional rodents.

But at least Diggersby gets Huge Power.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:46 AM

4

I don't often say this about Pokémon, but Patrat and Watchog are pretty ugly, especially with those eyes.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 2:10 AM

3.

I fully agree.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 3:00 AM

2

Even if they looked better, their stats are terrible.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 3:11 AM

1.

Easily the worst of the regional rodents. Even the Rattata line is better.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 4:06 AM

Patrat has officially been discarded, so now it's Watchog's turn.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/7/72/Watchog_XY.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140720234148

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 4:17 AM

9.

Watchog is my least favourite Pokemon of all time.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 8:26 AM

8

Papasea has an amusing video and competitive analysis about the problems with watchog

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QhzXlvPhnrE

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 8:57 AM

7.

This thing is so annoying with Hypnosis, Confuse Ray, and Super Fang.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 9:29 AM

6

Lenora's Watchog was a pain to fight.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 9:33 AM

5.

Her Herdier wasn't easy to fight either.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 9:40 AM

4

I really don't like Watchog's colour scheme.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 10:05 AM

3.

Neither do I. I'd erase this whole line from existence if I could.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 11:17 AM

2

I wish Game Freak would put a little more effort into its rodent designs. I like most of them, especially ones like Pikachu and Minccino/Cinccino. I don't know, I'd like to see a really bad-ass rodent some time.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 11:25 AM

1.

I think Game Freak could do better with their stats and abilities. Look at Diggersby for example. While it has a subpar Attack stat of 56, it gets Huge Power to make up for it. Also, it has a decent Speed stat of 78.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 11:38 AM

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Watchog has gone away, he's eating his apricorns elsewhere.

Now for Lillipup.
I'll vote it up
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Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 11:43 AM

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I'll vote either way. It's cute but has an unoriginal design.

XNaut May 1st, 2018 11:55 AM

10

I hate dogs and Lillipup looks like a dog I see alot in pictures and it has no creativity.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 11:58 AM

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I'm fond of dogs, but Pokémon shouldn't look exactly like the animal/object they're based off, which is definitely the case with this line.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:02 PM

10.

I'll vote the Lillipup line down. First I only hated Herdier, then I grew to hate Stoutland, yet I was okay with Lillipup until it annoyed me in Pokemon Moon.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:06 PM

9

Then I'll vote down, either way is fine with me.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:10 PM

8.

They may not be as bad as the Patrat line, but they're still bad IMO.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:12 PM

7

Unova seems to have a lot of unpopular Pokémon designs.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:13 PM

8

I think he has a kinda cute, innocent expression so I will still vote for him. But yeah, its not outstanding.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:16 PM

7.

I'm no stranger to voting down things that look cute. Look at Caterpie and Weedle for example. I think they're cute, but still bad enough to vote them down.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:19 PM

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As far as cuteness goes, Lillipup doesn't appeal to me as much as others. Its Pokédex entries are cliché and boring. Don't Growlithe and Rockruff share very similar ones?

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:20 PM

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Yeah but caterpie and weedle are clearly worse than Lillipup. We've voted for some stuff way worse than Stoutland like Kriketune.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:21 PM

6

Huh, I really like Caterpie, I thought it was adorable in the anime.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:23 PM

7 I think caterpie is cute too and would have voted for it had I been playing at the time. But I think the Lillipup line is more useful to the player

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:24 PM

6.

I'm indifferent on Kricketune myself. I would've voted it down if the others did.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:27 PM

7

I'd say Kriketune is bad though whereas stoutland is just okay. It gets the elemental fangs and can go on a sand team.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:29 PM

6.

I've had bad experiences with Stoutland. And besides, I don't like dogs.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:33 PM

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I guess that's what holds me back. I love dogs, they're man's best friend. Yes, its not Lucario or Arcanine, but even the plainest dog Pokemon I will have a soft spot for usually...

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:34 PM

6

If I haven't used a Pokémon in battle before, I simply vote based on its design. I never had Lillipup or its evolutions on my team. Still, I love the fang moves!

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:35 PM

5.

The elemental fangs are okay, but the elemental punches are better.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:38 PM

4

Both are great. Also, I like dogs too, which does make me biased most of the time in regards to canine Pokémon.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:40 PM

3.

Game Freak does a great job at making canine Pokemon. However, I don't like all of them. Looking at the Snubbull, Poochyena, and Lillipup lines here. I'm also not a fan of the Rockruff line, except Lycanroc-Midnight, that thing is cool.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:43 PM

4

To be honest. Though I'm defending it I haven't run a stoutland. But something usually has to be really annoying me before I vote it down. I'd be more likely to vote down the Snubull line if I voted down any dog.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:44 PM

3.

I voted the Snubbull line down myself, but two guys managed to save them.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:46 PM

2

Snubbull reminds me too much of an adorable Pug I know called Miles; I can't find it in me to dislike it.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:48 PM

1.

I think Snubbull isn't cute, and I find Granbull ugly and annoying.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:49 PM

2

I was fine with Snubbull back in Pikachu's vacation, thought it was sort of cute, but then a mean dog next door showed up who looked like Snubbull and poisoned me against him, now I just see the angry, spoiled dog. I wish it was a nice pet like Miles instead on my block.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:50 PM

1.

VisionofMilotic, I think you got ninja'd.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:53 PM

2

I noticed, but I corrected it. Though resistance is futile...

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:53 PM

1.

For you, mostly.

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 12:55 PM

2

Yeah, that's what I meant, I was being self-deprecating.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 12:55 PM

1

You fought valiantly for Lillipup's vote, Milotic, but I'm afraid the majority are against you.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 12:57 PM

0.

Lillipup is down now, up next is Herdier.

http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/herdier.gif

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VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 1:00 PM

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Poor Lillipup, what of the anguish of his mother Herdier? Have a heart, she lost her puppy recently.

Hyzenthlay May 1st, 2018 1:03 PM

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While Lillipup is at least endearing, Herdier's design is blatantly lazy. Apparently it's Mana Ibe's favourite Pokémon, and she designed it. Probably just had a soft spot for terriers!

EDIT: Stop it Milotic, you're making me doubt my vote, haha. D:

VisionofMilotic May 1st, 2018 1:07 PM

11

Euthanasia should never be a rushed decision Clover! Spare a dog if you can!

XNaut May 1st, 2018 2:15 PM

10

It's another dog.

FeraligatrMaster May 1st, 2018 11:56 PM

9.

Herdier is easily the worst of its line.

VisionofMilotic May 2nd, 2018 12:27 AM

10

HDEvee made a good video about Pokemon that would make the best body guards and included Herdier. This video contains fun facts you may not know ^_^
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=157s&v=t0aOAmUfT-4

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 2:04 AM

9.

That list includes 2 Pokemon that I dislike: Herdier and Furfrou. But I do like the 3 other Pokemon listed.

Lycanthropy May 2nd, 2018 2:35 AM

8

Lycanroc is clearly the superior canine. Though I might be a bit biased there. :P

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 2:43 AM

7.

I think all Lycanroc forms are better than the whole Lillipup line.

PageEmp May 2nd, 2018 3:39 AM

6

Voting down since everyone else is doing so and it’s probably my least fav member of its line. I might vote up the evo though.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 3:50 AM

5.

Don't expect me to vote Stoutland up. I dislike the entire line.

VisionofMilotic May 2nd, 2018 5:22 AM

6

I'll vote for Stoutland! His stats are actually pretty generous, great attack and very good bulk and even the speed can be made good under the right conditions. Other than his design being somewhat conservative I think he's a solid Pokemon.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 5:32 AM

5.

It needs Sand Rush and a sandstorm to reach such high levels of Speed.

VisionofMilotic May 2nd, 2018 5:38 AM

6

Which he has access to :) Sand rush is definitely not an ability to sneeze at, it works wonders on another Unova mon Excadrill.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 5:46 AM

5.

But Excadrill is a way better mon than Stoutland.

VisionofMilotic May 2nd, 2018 6:26 AM

6
In its own tier though Stoutland is effective in the sand. Banded, stab return with adamant nature and max attack is going to hurt.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 7:04 AM

5.

What was its tier again? ... ZU?

Ah, screw it.

VisionofMilotic May 2nd, 2018 7:29 AM

6

Not all of us want to play in OU. I like lower tiers, i love little cup battles for instance. Is there something wrong with that? :(

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 7:43 AM

5.

There's nothing wrong with playing lower tiers. Regardless, I still don't like the Lillipup line.

XNaut May 2nd, 2018 11:01 AM

4

No more dogs please.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 11:24 AM

3.

After Herdier, we still need to deal with Stoutland. And I'm planning to vote it down.

XNaut May 2nd, 2018 11:32 AM

2

Continues to vote it down.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 11:52 AM

1.

Same here.

XNaut May 2nd, 2018 12:06 PM

0

Next is Stoutland.

Stoutland

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FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 12:26 PM

9.

Herdier got what it deserved. Now I'll be voting Stoutland down.

XNaut May 2nd, 2018 12:34 PM

8

Down it goes.

FeraligatrMaster May 2nd, 2018 12:44 PM

7.

The Lillipup line looks too much like real dogs to me. And that wouldn't be much of a problem if I liked dogs. But I don't.

XNaut May 2nd, 2018 1:05 PM

6

The whole Lillipup line has no creativity to the point where it just looks like a normal dog and not a Pokemon.

FeraligatrMaster May 3rd, 2018 12:10 AM

5.

Couldn't agree more. At least Growlithe and Arcanine have cool designs.

VisionofMilotic May 3rd, 2018 4:21 AM

6

It is fairly realistic, but not unattractive, buttefree's essentially just a butterfly and swanna is basically a swan, so I'll give Stoutland a pass for being a dog, especially since he's still a decent Pokemon to use. Intimidate is also useful ability, he has two good abilities.

FeraligatrMaster May 3rd, 2018 4:38 AM

5.

I don't like real dogs, otherwise I don't think I would've had a problem with Stoutland's design.

VisionofMilotic May 3rd, 2018 4:43 AM

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I've been volunteering and adopting pets at Arf since I was 12 so I love myself a dog. I think Stoutland also looks a little like Lady from Lady and the Tramp.

FeraligatrMaster May 3rd, 2018 4:54 AM

5.

More like a fusion between her and Alameda Slim from "Home on the Range".


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