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^^NICK^^ v.2.0 January 24th, 2004 10:05 AM

What do you feel about...
 
**Please no flaming!**

What do you feel about abortion?
I feel that it ok in some circumstances, like rape or incest. But that's it. It's kind of like murder.

Okay, please discuss this maturely and no flaming. If an S-MOD/Admin/ or Kairi feel this should be closed, please close.

Arwen January 24th, 2004 10:34 AM

I am going to keep a big eye on this. 1 Flame and this topic will be locked...

DragonTrainer January 24th, 2004 11:12 AM

I promise you, one bad coment, and adios to this thread

As for me, abortion is completely wrong.I mean, its legalized murder.Sure, some people say the baby is not alive until it is a fetus, but right when the egg gets fertilized, life begins.As for pregnant teens, they have to be quite stupid to go and get pregnant while they are teens.Rape is a different story, but I still think abortion is wrong

Arwen January 24th, 2004 11:15 AM

Well, If you don't want the baby, just put it up for adoption for a parent who is willing to take care of it or give it to your parents.

Abortion is worng... because it's murder to a innocent baby.

MoonLight January 24th, 2004 11:22 AM

I belive Abortion is ok, when you are young and are not ready for a baby. Babies are a big change in your life and ppl that are 12 to 16 can not handle a baby, They are still kids themselfs.

^^NICK^^ v.2.0 January 24th, 2004 11:22 AM

um, hello, I'm a MOD too. I can close the thread too if it gets out of hand.

Arwen January 24th, 2004 11:26 AM

Girls between 12-16 won't get pregent if they don't do uhhh.... you know...

Just don't do it intil you get married... =P...

Miyu-chan January 24th, 2004 11:33 AM

It depends, some girls might be raped or something, then they defiantly won't want to have the baby, it reminds them of the time they were raped, right? And if they gave birth to the baby, and when the baby grows up, then it might feel strange that his/her birth mother was raped. But if they had *cough cough* on purpose, then they should give birth to the baby, and put it up for adoption.

Arcanine January 24th, 2004 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ^^NICK^^ v.2.0
um, hello, I'm a MOD too. I can close the thread too if it gets out of hand.

But some of the other Mods is on more then you (thats why thay said that).
Abortion is wrong, not only for the baby but for the mother. Ill just post the facts about abortion and then get out of this thread.
When a mother over 40 does a abortion then her chance of getting Cancer is 40%, if a mother over 30 does a abortion then her chance of getting Cancer is 60%, and if a mother under 18 does a abortion then her chance of getting Cancer is 180%. Now there is a few facts and now im out of here.

Frostweaver January 24th, 2004 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen
Girls between 12-16 won't get pregent if they don't do uhhh.... you know...

*wants Alyssa to explain that concept to me, my family and to my grandma*

* thinks that just because it's not born yet doesn't mean the baby isn't "alive"... s/he is completely a living human being. That's all it takes for Frosty to believe that it's wrogn at all times (excluding other biblical matter that he's not allowed to point out here)*

* wants to say that just in case someone brings in the infamous "chicken/egg" topic... eggs that humans eat are not fertilized and therefore can never hatch into a live chicken so please do not use that as a comparison... hope people will know what he's thinking about this*

Shining Arcanine January 24th, 2004 12:10 PM

If this gets out of hand. I'll close the topic and leave the poll open.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonLight
I belive Abortion is ok, when you are young and are not ready for a baby. Babies are a big change in your life and ppl that are 12 to 16 can not handle a baby, They are still kids themselfs.

Then they should not be mating in the first place. Reproduction is called reproduction for a reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miyu-chan
It depends, some girls might be raped or something, then they defiantly won't want to have the baby, it reminds them of the time they were raped, right? And if they gave birth to the baby, and when the baby grows up, then it might feel strange that his/her birth mother was raped. But if they had *cough cough* on purpose, then they should give birth to the baby, and put it up for adoption.

Too bad, it was conceived, it has as much right to life as the parent. It can be put up for adoption, removed and put into a capsule until it is ready to be born, or a combination of those things but it has a right to life.

oni flygon January 24th, 2004 12:37 PM

It depends on the situation. For example, rape. Or if that person is physically unable to give birth. Or if that person doesn't have much money to take care of a child.

Blaine January 24th, 2004 12:40 PM

Well, personally, I think abortion is fine. I mean, like Moonlight said, girls who conceive at an early age can't handle having a baby. Sometimes s e x can be an accident and there are consequences to accidents that just can't be undertaken. It may be like murder to some, but when you put yourself in the place of an impregnanted young woman who is shunned and put down because of the baby in her swollen tummy, you know that it's murder on her. Adoption is also hard, because you live the rest of your life know that you gave up someone who you brought into this world. And you know that you'll maybe never see him/her again... And even if you do, it still creates problems. I know, because my mom was adopted and she recently met her biological family and it's created a lot of difficulties and conflict. So all-in-all, I think abortion is O.K.

oni flygon January 24th, 2004 12:42 PM

Still counts as depending on the situation. If one overuses it for prostituism or anything overly vile and immoral is wrong...

^^NICK^^ v.2.0 January 24th, 2004 12:50 PM

I didn't know the fetuses could be put in capsules.

baby*j January 24th, 2004 1:54 PM

I think it's fine if you get an abortion before it becomes a fetus.

If it's already a fetus then the woman should have the baby and just
give it up for adoption.

So it depends on the situation ...

oni flygon January 24th, 2004 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baby*j
I think it's fine if you get an abortion before it becomes a fetus.

If it's already a fetus then the woman should have the baby and just
give it up for adoption.

So it depends on the situation ...

I agree with her. Sometimes, it's also considered killing a new life when the fetus starts to live.

Blaine January 24th, 2004 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oni flygon
Still counts as depending on the situation. If one overuses it for prostituism or anything overly vile and immoral is wrong...

Prostitution is an occupation for some women. It's used as an alternative for high school drop-outs. Conception under those cirscumstances would be a complete accident because the women use both birth control and anti-conception materials. They know the ropes and know to use protection. But even then, it may be immoral, but these women have enough trouble supporting themselves, let alone a child.

latiosspud January 24th, 2004 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaine
Prostitution is an occupation for some women. It's used as an alternative for high school drop-outs. Conception under those cirscumstances would be a complete accident because the women use both birth control and anti-conception materials. They know the ropes and know to use protection. But even then, it may be immoral, but these women have enough trouble supporting themselves, let alone a child.

They only have trouble supporting themselves because they are not smart. It's okay if you live in a poor country where there are no public schools but if you live in a country where you can get free education and just drop out of it that's just plain stupid. So unless it is rape, abortion is wrong.

Blaine January 24th, 2004 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by latiosspud
They only have trouble supporting themselves because they are not smart. It's okay if you live in a poor country where there are no public schools but if you live in a country where you can get free education and just drop out of it that's just plain stupid. So unless it is rape, abortion is wrong.

But... There are a lot of reasons for dropping out of school. Some people drop out because they're in a situation where they have to support siblings or disabled parents. You can't call them dumb. There's a long list of reasons why one drops out of high school or something like that. And not all prostitutes are stupid. The majority of these women have learned a great deal from experiences with this style of life.

Frostweaver January 24th, 2004 2:41 PM

......

*thinks that if the situation we're talking about now is in anywhere except 3rd world country, there's no reason to drop out of school as school is free except colledge/university*
*believes that with high school degree you can still get a job... not a good one but a decent one that isn't "prostitute"*
*thinks that there's no reason for a woman to be a prostitute unless she's forced to be one (such as kidnapped by evil evil people then forced to be a prostitute)*
*still thinks that even if the baby comes from rape/prostitute act, the baby should not be aborted...*
*knows that the above statement is easy to say but close to impossible to do ='(*

Blaine January 24th, 2004 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostweaver
......

*thinks that if the situation we're talking about now is in anywhere except 3rd world country, there's no reason to drop out of school as school is free except colledge/university*
*believes that with high school degree you can still get a job... not a good one but a decent one that isn't "prostitute"*
*thinks that there's no reason for a woman to be a prostitute unless she's forced to be one (such as kidnapped by evil evil people then forced to be a prostitute)*
*still thinks that even if the baby comes from rape/prostitute act, the baby should not be aborted...*
*knows that the above statement is easy to say but close to impossible to do ='(*

Drop-outs don't receive degrees. So you can't say they have one.

Frostweaver January 24th, 2004 3:08 PM

........

*wonders why would someone drop out if education is free (as long as the situation is 1st world country)*

Blaine January 24th, 2004 3:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostweaver
........

*wonders why would someone drop out if education is free (as long as the situation is 1st world country)*

Like I said before:

Quote:

But... There are a lot of reasons for dropping out of school. Some people drop out because they're in a situation where they have to support siblings or disabled parents. You can't call them dumb. There's a long list of reasons why one drops out of high school or something like that. And not all prostitutes are stupid. The majority of these women have learned a great deal from experiences with this style of life.
Some people drop out of school because of personal reasons or because of intimidation and on and on.

Frostweaver January 24th, 2004 3:18 PM

*assumes that the situation is still in 1st world country*
*wonders why this high school student who obviously has no way to support siblings or disabled parents or other family members ask the government for help*
*also wonders at the possibility of "government may not be giving the proper help this family needed therefore forcing the girl to enter prostitution"...*
*is really curious if the above may happen... not likely he hopes* ='(

*doesn't know the laws within the few European countries with legal prostitution (and perhaps even some other countries outside of Europe that Frosty does not know of), but wonders if those "legal" prostitution provide "safe measures" for the "workers" o_o*


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