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Sirfetch’d October 4th, 2018 6:24 PM

Counter that Pokémon!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeffy (Post 9520932)

Counter that Pokémon! - Generation 7 Edition


Information

With the release of Gen 7, I thought it'd be great to bring back a classic game! Counter that Pokémon is essentially what it says--someone posts a Pokémon, the next person tries to counter the Pokémon, and then the next person tries to counter that Pokémon and so on and so forth! This is a fun way to test your overall game knowledge as well as to learn some of the crafty ways other people tries to counter certain threats.

Rules

  • The game requires you to post an appropriate counter to the Pokémon, not just a simple check. Learn the difference between a counter and a check by reading this in-depth explanation from Smogon. Failure to follow this rule will result in your post being called out, so keep this in mind!
  • As mentioned in the previous rule, if the previous poster fails to post a valid counter, you should call them out and post an appropriate counter to what they were countering.
  • OU Pokémon and below only, please. Ubers and above can counter almost anything due to their sheer power.
  • Assume that everything is one-on-one, so don't factor in entry hazard damage or luck-based strategies such as confusion.
  • Do not slash information into your Pokémon's moveset. This completely defeats the purpose of the game since you can't alter your Pokémon's moveset in an actual battle.
  • Try to post your set in a readable format. You can use Pokémon Showdown's export feature to easily create a readable moveset format.

Useful Resources


https://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/nidoking.gif
Nidoking @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Substitute

Nah October 5th, 2018 4:34 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/bronzong.gif
Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpD / 8 Def
Sassy Nature
-Psychic
-Gyro Ball
-Toxic
-Protect

gimmepie October 5th, 2018 7:24 AM

Heatran @ Firium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Magma Storm
-Earth Power
-Taunt
-Toxic

gimmepie October 5th, 2018 4:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levea (Post 9933472)
Kartana @ Choice Band
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Knock Off
- Smart Strike
Counters it offensively assuming you do not switch it in on it directly.
252 Atk Choice Band Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 351-414 (115.8 - 136.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Edit: if grassy terrain is up it KOs without the Band.

You can't assume Grassy Terrain. Also to be a counter and not a check you need to be able to win in every likely scenario even when manually switching into the battle, which your Kartana set does not. Kartana only 2HKOs while +1 Zygarde also 2HKOs. If Kartana is switching in, it takes one Thousand Arrows, gets off one Leaf Blade and then dies to the second. Kartana is a check because to get a guaranteed win in this matchup it has to have a free switch in.

A counter for Zygarde here would be

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
-Scald
-Toxic
-Recover
-Earthquake

It can survive switching in to any of Zygarde's attacks and win by stalling it out with Toxic and Recover.

Levea October 5th, 2018 5:05 PM

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Def / 156 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Leech Seed
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power Fire

Burn from scald does very little harm to Venusuar, uneffected by toxic, and giga Drain will KO Quagsire.

gimmepie October 5th, 2018 6:48 PM

Swalot @ Assault Vest
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 248 HP / 200 SpA / 60 SpD
Quiet Nature
-Sludge Bomb
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Giga Drain

Good luck Venu, good luck.

Nah October 6th, 2018 3:54 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/tapulele.gif
Tapu Lele @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Timid Nature
-Psyshock
-Moonblast
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power Fire

200+ SpA Swalot Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Lele: 186-222 (66.1 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

RIP Swalot

gimmepie October 7th, 2018 10:18 AM

I'm legit surprised Swalot actually even has a 2HKO lol, anyway.

Magearna @ Assault Vest
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
-Fleur Cannon
-Iron Head
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power Fire

Lele 4HKOs at best even with using its Z-move while Magearna 2HKOs with Iron Head or Fleur Cannon

Sirfetch’d October 12th, 2018 2:10 PM

Heatran @ Firium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic

5qwerty October 12th, 2018 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petuuuhhh (Post 9935716)
Magikarp @ Waterium Z
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 68 HP / 188 SpA / 252 SpD
Mild Nature
- Rain Dance
- Hydro Pump
- Flail
- Bounce

Heatran has to choose whether to use Taunt or let Magikarp get off a Rain Dance. If Taunted, Magikarp uses its Z-move and gets off 61.9 - 73% dmg. Next turn, Heatran strikes an Earth Power for 84.3 - 99.4% dmg, then Karp gets off a 37.1 - 44.5% dmg Hydro Pump to win.

If Karp gets off a Rain Dance, it goes first next turn, firing off a 185 BP Hydro Vortex for 92.8 - 109.5% dmg -- 56.3% chance to OHKO :)

Wait, this isn't a counter. You have to be able to switch it into the Pokémon that you're countering no matter what they do. Karp switches in and takes an Earth Power and gets KO'd the next turn.

gimmepie October 12th, 2018 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5qwerty (Post 9935733)
Wait, this isn't a counter. You have to be able to switch it into the Pokémon that you're countering no matter what they do. Karp switches in and takes an Earth Power and gets KO'd the next turn.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Here's an actual counter for Heatran then.

HeroLinik October 13th, 2018 6:10 AM

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Def / 156 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Synthesis
- Hidden Power Fire

gimmepie October 13th, 2018 7:00 AM

Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Soft-Boiled

CrimsonMajestic October 13th, 2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9936030)
Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Def / 12 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
- Soft-Boiled

https://serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/212.png
*Scizor
-Item: Scizorite
-Nature: Adamant
-Ability: Technician {Technician}
-EVs: 252 HP / 252 ATK / 4 SpE
-Moveset:
Defog
Bullet Punch
Superpower
U-Turn/Roost

HeroLinik October 13th, 2018 12:44 PM

Tapu Lele @ Choice Specs
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Psyshock
- Hidden Power Fire

CrimsonMajestic October 13th, 2018 3:43 PM

https://serebii.net/sunmoon/pokemon/437.png
*Bronzong
-Item: Wiki Berry
-Nature: Sassy
-Ability: Heatproof
-EVs: 252 HP / 4 DEF / 252 SpD
-IVs: 0 SpE
-Moveset:
Hypnosis
Trick Room
Explosion
Gyro Ball

gimmepie October 13th, 2018 5:05 PM

Stakataka @ Groundium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 15 Def / 0 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Trick Room
- Gyro Ball
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

HeroLinik October 14th, 2018 12:53 AM

Landorus-Therian @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power Ice
- U-turn

gimmepie October 14th, 2018 2:53 PM

Eelektross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
-Volt Switch
-Giga Drain
-Flamethrower
-Knock Off

Sirfetch’d October 14th, 2018 6:40 PM

Incineroar @ Incinium Z
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Darkest Lariat
- Earthquake
- Flare Blitz

easily eats 2 volt switch attacks and can 0HKO with it's z move, but if it fails it can pick up a KO on the next turn due to outspeeding

gimmepie October 14th, 2018 7:09 PM

Poliwrath @ Choice Band
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
-Waterfall
-Power-Up Punch
-Earthquake
-Throat Chop

Cause where's the fun in using something viable?

Nah October 15th, 2018 1:11 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/pidgeot-mega.gif
Bird Jesus @ Birdjesusite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
-Hurricane
-Heat Wave
-U-Turn
-Roost

252+ Atk Choice Band Poliwrath Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pidgeot-Mega: 208-246 (67.7 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Then outspeeds and OHKOs with Hurricane, which won't miss due to No Guard

gimmepie October 15th, 2018 11:28 PM

Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-Heat Wave
-Roost

Survives any attack with room to spare and then OHKOs with Thunderbolt

gimmepie October 16th, 2018 5:39 PM

Conkeldurr @Assault Vest
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Mach Punch
-Drain Punch
-Ice Punch
-Knock Off

Nah October 24th, 2018 5:31 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/gardevoir-mega.gif
Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
-Hyper Voice
-Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Will-o-wisp

252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 134-158 (48.3 - 57%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 27-31 (9.7 - 11.1%) -- possible 9HKO


252 SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 432-510 (104.3 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Dark Azelf October 24th, 2018 6:09 PM

Man im rusty at this.

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 96 Def / 164 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower

252 SpA Gardevoir-Mega Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 164 SpD Celesteela: 132-156 (33.2 - 39.2%) -- 15.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery.

0 Atk burned Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 186-219 (66.9 - 78.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Between Seeds and Slam it wins even burned.

gimmepie October 27th, 2018 2:04 AM

Octillery @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 212 HP / 252 SpA / 44 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Fire Blast
- Ice Beam
- Energy Ball

gimmepie October 27th, 2018 8:15 AM

Zeraora @ Choice Band
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Plasma Fists
- Knock Off
- Fire Punch
- Close combat

Survives any attack Koko throws at it easily then 2HKOs with Plasma Fists or Fire Punch.

HeroLinik October 28th, 2018 1:06 AM

Zygarde @ Groundium Z
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Thousand Arrows
- Extreme Speed
- Outrage

Satire October 29th, 2018 6:11 AM

Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 SP.ATK / 252 SPD
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Agility
- Hail
- Blizzard

Guaranteed OHKO.

HeroLinik October 29th, 2018 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pulchritudinous (Post 9942252)
Articuno @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 SP.ATK / 252 SPD
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Agility
- Hail
- Blizzard

Guaranteed OHKO.

Actually, this set merely checks Zygarde. It can't come in on an Outrage and even if it does, Articuno will get KO'd before it has a chance to use Ice Beam, because Zygarde will outspeed. Another case is getting lucky with the damage rolls with Thousand Arrows and then securing a KO with Outrage, but that's unreliable and thus it's safer to just click Outrage. Anyway, time to counter this set:

Magearna @ Assault Vest
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Fleur Cannon
- Iron Head
- Hidden Power Fire
- Volt Switch

Syndrome November 29th, 2018 5:00 PM

https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/a/a6/Spr_4p_485.png
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic

Magearna is no threat at all to Heatran, who can force it out with Lava Plume or set up rocks in its face.

gimmepie December 13th, 2018 8:05 AM

Swanna @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hurricane
- Scald
- Defog
- Roost

Nah December 14th, 2018 6:28 AM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/mareep.gif
Mareep (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Static
EVs: 92 HP / 160 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-Signal Beam
-Power Gem

252 SpA Swanna Supersonic Skystrike (185 BP) vs. 92 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Mareep: 87-103 (31.7 - 37.5%) -- 91% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Swanna Scald vs. 92 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Mareep: 76-91 (27.7 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

160 SpA Mareep Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Swanna: 496-588 (170.4 - 202%) -- guaranteed OHKO

HeroLinik December 14th, 2018 10:04 AM

Chinchou @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 76 HP / 212 Def / 152 SpA / 60 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Volt Switch
- Ice Beam
- Thunder Wave

gimmepie December 15th, 2018 4:41 AM

Talonflame @ Flynium Z
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost

Dark Azelf December 16th, 2018 5:46 PM

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 44 SpD / 204 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Fire Punch
- Aqua Tail

gimmepie December 16th, 2018 9:15 PM

Kommo-o @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch

-Flarespeon December 16th, 2018 9:43 PM

Clefable @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell

gimmepie December 27th, 2018 2:47 AM

Excadrill @ Steelium Z
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin

Megan December 27th, 2018 3:34 AM

Imo in this particular environment (1v1) Excadrill should run Rock Slide over Rapid Spin since Rocks aren't an issue here.

Anyway

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Def / 232 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower

gimmepie December 28th, 2018 7:09 AM

Lanturn @Choice Specs
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 72 SpD / 184 Spe
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power Grass
- Ice Beam

Megan December 29th, 2018 2:27 AM

Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 29 HP
Modest Nature
- Rain Dance
- Hydro Pump
- Giga Drain
- Ice Beam

gimmepie December 29th, 2018 7:23 AM

Type: Null @ Eviolite
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Swords Dance
- Return
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Nah December 29th, 2018 12:40 PM

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/oricorio-sensu.gif
Oricorio-Sensu @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Dancer
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Timid Nature
-Calm Mind
-Hurricane
-Revelation Dance
-Substitute

hello set-up fodder

HeroLinik December 30th, 2018 1:19 AM

Who even said this has to be PU?

Zeraora @ Choice Band
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Plasma Fists
- Knock Off
- Close Combat
- Volt Switch

gimmepie December 31st, 2018 10:04 AM

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Atk / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- U-Turn
- Bulk Up
- Rock Polish

Doesn't have to be PU bu using the same old OU mons gets boring after a while

Syndrome January 3rd, 2019 5:33 PM

https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/a/ac/Spr_2c_207.png
Gligar @ Eviolite
Ability: Immunity
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Defog
- Earthquake
- Toxic

gimmepie January 3rd, 2019 6:21 PM

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 44 Def / 108 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

5qwerty January 5th, 2019 8:32 PM

Greninja @ Groundium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 176 Atk / 80 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Dig
- Ice Beam
- HP Fire
- Gunk Shot

Team Embrace January 13th, 2019 1:40 PM

(Tapu Lele) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psyshock
- Energy Ball
- Hidden Power [Ground]
Outspeeds and OHKOs before it changes type

Nah January 13th, 2019 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Embrace (Post 9967551)
(Tapu Lele) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psyshock
- Energy Ball
- Hidden Power [Ground]
Outspeeds and OHKOs before it changes type

That's more of a check than a counter, as Lele has to risk coming in on a Gunk Shot, which OHKOs it easily.

As for a counter to Scarf Lele:

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/xyani/ferrothorn.gif
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 96 Def / 164 SpD
Sassy Nature
-Leech Seed
-Gyro Ball
-Power Whip
-Toxic

Comfortably tanks all of Lele's attacks, and OHKOs with Gyro Ball

Team Embrace January 13th, 2019 3:51 PM

Whoops! your right! well this counters Ferrothorn I believe.
Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Thunder
- Dragon Pulse
- Blizzard
Takes no damage from power whip and 2HKOs with flamethrower.

gimmepie January 14th, 2019 6:00 AM

Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Toxic
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock
- Soft Boiled

Syndrome January 14th, 2019 4:09 PM

Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Wave
- Taunt
- Focus Blast

gimmepie January 14th, 2019 4:29 PM

Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Atk / 28 Def / 92 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab
- Pursuit
- Fire Punch

Syndrome January 14th, 2019 4:55 PM

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 44 Def / 108 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Roost

Sirfetch’d January 14th, 2019 8:33 PM

Sigilyph @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Heat Wave
- Roost
- Calm Mind

gimmepie January 14th, 2019 8:46 PM

Sharpedo @ Sarpedonite
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Ice Fang

5qwerty January 15th, 2019 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9968080)
Sharpedo @ Sarpedonite
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Ice Fang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petuuuhhh (Post 9968202)
Tapu Koko @ Choice Band
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Wild Charge
- Brave Bird
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Not a counter. Sharpedo uses Waterfall on the switch, gets the Speed Boost (or just uses Protect the next turn), and then Mega-Evolves, outspeeds, and uses Waterfall again for the KO. Though I guess gimmepie's Sharpedo is holding a Sarpedonite so it fails to actually Mega-Evolve. But then again the roll from normal Sharpedo Waterfall on Koko is already enough to 2hko.

Also no one ACTUALLY decided to counter my Greninja set from before, which, by the rules, you are supposed to.
Quote:

As mentioned in the previous rule, if the previous poster fails to post a valid counter, you should call them out and post an appropriate counter to what they were countering.
Team Embrace posted a check instead of a counter, and Nah countered that check instead of countering the 'mon that the check was supposed to counter.

Thus I will post a counter to the Greninja set and also the Sharpedo set.

Gren counter:
Spoiler:
Moltres @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Pressue
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpAtk
Modest Nature
- Hurricane
- Fire Blast
- HP Grass
- Roost
Lives 2 Gunk Shots always and KOs with Z-Hurricane.


And here is the set that counters Mega Sharpedo, which is what the next poster should be countering.

Conkeldurr @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Knock Off
- Facade

Takes any hit and KOs with Mach Punch (cuz it gets burned the turn it switches in).

gimmepie January 15th, 2019 1:59 PM

Mimikyu @ Life Orb
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Play Rough
- Shadow Claw

3/4 attacks can't touch Mimikyu and disguise absorbs Knock Off (and even if it didn't your ohko isn't guaranteed). Then Mimikyu outspeeds and OHKOs with Play Rough.

Team Embrace January 16th, 2019 5:01 PM

(Cloyster) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Shell Smash
- Razor Shell
Hits even with Disguise should counter but only has a 6.3% OKHO chance.

5qwerty January 17th, 2019 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Team Embrace (Post 9968685)
(Cloyster) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Shell Smash
- Razor Shell
Hits even with Disguise should counter but only has a 6.3% OKHO chance.

I'm not sure whether this should be called out or not. Technically it's not a counter by the definition that was linked in the first post.

It does take a +2 Play Rough in all cases even without the Sash, and has a 93.8% chance to KO after Life Orb recoil. Though if you don't manage to kill, Mimikyu kills you with Shadow Sneak then faints itself due to Life Orb. In that circumstance, you actually lose first because you are the first to faint. I think a more appropriate counter would just be to use something like NeverMeltIce instead of Focus Sash.

Anyway, I guess I'll post this Empoleon set to counter your Cloyster:

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpAtk
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Flash Cannon
- HP Electric

HeroLinik January 18th, 2019 2:03 AM

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power Fire

gimmepie January 18th, 2019 2:58 AM

Zeraora @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Plasma Fists
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Megan February 14th, 2019 2:24 AM

Venusaur @ Venusaurite
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 248 HP / 88 Def / 156 SpD / 16 Spe
Calm Nature
- Leech Seed
- Sludge Bomb
- Synthesis
- Hidden Power Fire

Dark Azelf February 14th, 2019 6:07 PM

Chandelure @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 156+ SpD Thick Fat Venusaur-Mega: 218-260 (60 - 71.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Syndrome February 15th, 2019 1:14 PM

Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic
- Soft-Boiled
- Heal Bell

Sirfetch’d February 15th, 2019 4:32 PM

Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 29 HP
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Wave
- Taunt
- Focus Blast

Syndrome February 16th, 2019 2:10 PM

Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Gunk Shot
- Knock Off
- Fire Punch

HeroLinik February 17th, 2019 12:43 AM

Garchomp @ Groundium Z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Stealth Rock

Syndrome February 18th, 2019 4:44 PM

Togekiss @ Babiri Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Air Slash
- Flamethrower
- Roost

Sirfetch’d February 18th, 2019 8:18 PM

Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- Pursuit

runningO February 23rd, 2019 11:46 AM

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Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Relaxed Nature
-Stealth Rock
-Scald
-Toxic
-Earthquake

Nah February 23rd, 2019 1:40 PM

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Serperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
-Leaf Storm
-Hidden Power Fire
-Glare
-Leech Seed

gimmepie February 23rd, 2019 9:05 PM

Heatran @ Firium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Taunt
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Dark Azelf February 24th, 2019 9:34 PM

Flygon @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Fire Punch

Anvils Alive February 26th, 2019 7:01 PM

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Defog
- Taunt
This dude can tank an Earthquake, even a critical Earthquake that deals 368 or less, then goes for Ice Beam to OHKO your Flygon.

As long as you choose anything other than Earthquake for the best, you fall to one Ice Beam.

Nah February 27th, 2019 5:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvils Alive (Post 9984908)
Empoleon @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Defog
- Taunt
This dude can tank an Earthquake, even a critical Earthquake that deals 368 or less, then goes for Ice Beam to OHKO your Flygon.

As long as you choose anything other than Earthquake for the best, you fall to one Ice Beam.

This is a check and not a counter. While Empoleon can live one Earthquake, it cannot survive two of them. Being slower than Flygon, it'll switch in, eat an Earthquake, then eat another one before it can act and die.

So for a real counter to Flygon:

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Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
-Hyper Voice
-Wish
-Protect
-Heal Bell

252+ Atk Flygon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 141-166 (35.7 - 42.1%) -- 90.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Flygon: 306-360 (101.6 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anvils Alive February 27th, 2019 6:24 AM

Doublade @ Steelium Z
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
Even with Doublade's Careful nature, it can switch in, tank two Hyper Voices from Sylveon, then one-shot with Corkscrew Crash off of Iron Head.

4 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Doublade: 69-81 (26.6 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Doublade Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 438-516 (111.1 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Leftovers recovery

Dark Azelf March 1st, 2019 12:29 AM

Zapdos @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spd / 6 Def
Modest Nature
- Discharge
- Hidden Power Ice
- Heat Wave
- Roost

252 Atk Doublade Corkscrew Crash (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos: 150-177 (46.7 - 55.1%) -- 67.6% chance to 2HKO


252+ SpA Life Orb Zapdos Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Doublade: 315-372 (121.6 - 143.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Sirfetch’d March 1st, 2019 8:10 AM

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Dark Azelf March 1st, 2019 9:03 PM

Exeggutor-Alola @ Life Orb
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Rash Nature
- Flamethrower
- Leaf Storm
- Dragon Pulse
- Low Kick

Hot #NoWeaks etc

Syndrome March 1st, 2019 10:57 PM

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 160 SpD / 96 Spe
Calm Nature
- Air Slash
- Heal Bell
- Roost
- Defog

252+ SpA Life Orb Exeggutor-Alola Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 160+ SpD Togekiss: 96-114 (25.6 - 30.4%) -- 2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

Dark Azelf March 11th, 2019 6:01 PM

Bastiodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Metal Burst
- Toxic

Come at me bro

Nah March 12th, 2019 4:36 AM

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Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Shadow Bone
-Flare Blitz
-Swords Dance
-Bonemerang

Bonemerang hits twice, so it can punch through Sturdy and so not fear a KO from Metal Burst

gimmepie March 12th, 2019 7:00 AM

Landorus-Therian @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power Ice
- U-turn

Simply Dunsparce March 12th, 2019 6:27 PM

Cryogonal @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 Def / 252 Spa / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Ice Beam
- Flash Cannon
- Recover
- Water Pulse

gimmepie March 13th, 2019 3:00 AM

Conkeldurr @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Knock Off
- Facade

Cryogonal can't switch into a single attack because they all OHKO

Simply Dunsparce March 13th, 2019 5:30 PM

Mimikyu @ Fairium Z
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 252 Atk / 128 Def / 128 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance
- Leech Life

Even if Conkeldurr goes for Knock of the turn Mimikyu switches in and Twinkle Tackle misses, Play Rough is a guaranteed 2 KO without crits or misses while Knock Off is a 3 hit KO with no crits and likely a 2 hit KO if any crits occur.

Dark Azelf March 17th, 2019 9:59 PM

Arcanine @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 244 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
- Flamethrower
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
- Toxic

Intimidate, bulk and resistance to everything bar the weak shadow sneak + burn = walled.

Simply Dunsparce March 18th, 2019 5:34 PM

Kingdra @ Leftovers
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dragon Pulse
- Flash Cannon
- Ice Beam

Hydro Pump is a guaranteed OHKO

11wildy March 19th, 2019 3:04 AM

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252 hp/252 def/4spatk
-calm mind
-softboiled
-ice beam
-thunderbolt

gimmepie March 19th, 2019 8:28 AM

Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Extreme Speed
- Meteor Mash

Even after a Calm Mind it fails to get more than a 3HKO, but Lucario gets the OHKO.

metroid711 March 19th, 2019 11:21 AM

Garchomp @ Groundium z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance

Even if Lucario hits first, it does chip off damage from Rough Skinand Garchomp can just OHKO with Tectonic Rage.

gimmepie March 19th, 2019 4:11 PM

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Roost

You can't really do anything to Gliscor so it can just poison you and wait it out.

Dark Azelf March 19th, 2019 4:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metroid711 (Post 9995103)
Garchomp @ Groundium z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance

Even if Lucario hits first, it does chip off damage from Rough Skinand Garchomp can just OHKO with Tectonic Rage.

Not a counter to Lucario because it cant switch into a close combat followed by an extremespeed which has priority so Garchomp wont get a hit in.

252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 238-281 (66.4 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Life Orb Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 105-125 (29.3 - 34.9%) -- 12.1% chance to 3HKO


Quote:

Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 9995238)
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 52 Def / 100 SpD / 112 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Roost

You can't really do anything to Gliscor so it can just poison you and wait it out.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Icicle Crash
- Knock Off

Syndrome April 9th, 2019 7:46 AM

Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
Bold Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Will-O-Wisp
- Pain Split

gimmepie April 9th, 2019 9:12 AM

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Earthquake

Nah April 9th, 2019 10:04 AM

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Lapras @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 120 HP / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
Modest Nature
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Freeze Dry
-Hidden Power Fire

252+ SpA Choice Specs Lapras Freeze-Dry vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Gastrodon: 460-544 (108.2 - 128%) -- guaranteed OHKO


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