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Pokedigifan1178 March 31st, 2019 11:34 AM

Armor evolution = Armor digivolution?
 
So there’s a rumor going on in the community about the new gimmick in sword and shield which is armor evolution of course.

That armor evolution sounds a lot like what digimon did before which was armor digivolution.

It may be coincidental but since I’m a fan of both. I got quite suspicious of it.

Considering people before said Pokémon ripped off mega evolution from digimon.

Anyway what’s your opinion on the new armor evolution thing and do you think it had anything to do with armor digivolution?

https://i.imgur.com/TisH89f.jpg

Whim March 31st, 2019 12:11 PM

I don't want to be that negative guy, but god I hope these rumors are wrong

Pokedigifan1178 March 31st, 2019 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Whim (Post 10000189)
I don't want to be that negative guy, but god I hope these rumors are wrong

It’s still suspicious because it sounds very much like armor digivolution.

VictiniD April 1st, 2019 7:05 AM

That's looking weird bt cool! Can we see them in future or it will be worng rumors!🤔

Pokedigifan1178 April 1st, 2019 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by m victini (Post 10000542)
That's looking weird bt cool! Can we see them in future or it will be worng rumors!🤔

I’m not sure because the game hasn’t been released yet.

It does sound like Pokémon is ripping off digimon a bit.

Pinkie-Dawn April 5th, 2019 1:08 PM

There's also the fact that Armored Mewtwo's render is still kept in secret from the remake's merchandise despite everyone already knowing what it looks like from the original movie. Could it be that it's a new design that ties in with the rumored armored evolution?

Pokedigifan1178 April 5th, 2019 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkie-Dawn (Post 10002357)
There's also the fact that Armored Mewtwo's render is still kept in secret from the remake's merchandise despite everyone already knowing what it looks like from the original movie. Could it be that it's a new design that ties in with the rumored armored evolution?

Hmm could be.

But still all this armored evolution sounds like Pokémon is ripping off digimon.

hotsushi-kun April 6th, 2019 6:38 AM

I am sure Pokemon is trying to be like Digimon in terms of Armor Digimon though.

RileyXY1 April 6th, 2019 12:02 PM

It's possible that Armored Pokemon is something exclusive to Mewtwo and it would just be a bonus like Ash Greninja.

Qibli April 6th, 2019 1:45 PM

Hey, now. Lets not copy from bandai and GF needs to be more original. They copied MEGA already and they need to NOT MAKE another EVOLUTION based from another popular game; sorry if I sound negative because to be they are lacking of ideas to freshen up the game

bwburke94 April 6th, 2019 3:43 PM

I have no faith in these rumors right now. All evidence points toward this tying into the new movie, not the games.

Pokedigifan1178 April 6th, 2019 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94 (Post 10002911)
I have no faith in these rumors right now. All evidence points toward this tying into the new movie, not the games.

No it talks about the games.

It just sounds like Pokémon is ripping off digimon.

Qibli April 6th, 2019 10:01 PM

AT FAQ about releasing X/Y
GF: We need new ideas and fresh...
Later
GF: Lets copy from digimon...

Planning and Discussions on releasing Sword and Shield
GF: Lets copy from digimon

Gamefreak, please be more original. WE DO not need ANOTHER EVOLUTION from ANOTHER GAME. J U S T ST O P

bobandbill April 7th, 2019 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10002972)
No it talks about the games.

It just sounds like Pokémon is ripping off digimon.

The merchandise is movie themed though - so while there are rumours that SS will have armoured evolutions, what we know is that all indications suggest movie for anything official thus far.

Armoured isn't a new idea given the original movie had Mewtwo with the armoured form, back in the 90s. When did Digimon have armored stuff? (I do not know.)

Pokedigifan1178 April 7th, 2019 3:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 10003086)
The merchandise is movie themed though - so while there are rumours that SS will have armoured evolutions, what we know is that all indications suggest movie for anything official thus far.

Armoured isn't a new idea given the original movie had Mewtwo with the armoured form, back in the 90s. When did Digimon have armored stuff? (I do not know.)

How did mewtwo have an armored form in the 90’s.

Digimon had armored stuff it seems on April 2, 2000.

But still if Pokémon ripped off Mega evolution.

And other things.

It’s no reason to not believe that they stole armor digivolution.

clbgolden April 7th, 2019 7:58 AM

Visually armored Pokémon could be cool and all, but stats wise, what would make them different than Megas? Seems like a useless addition.

On a related note, Digimon were far from the first to give their creatures enhanced forms and armor. I doubt GF is copying specifically them.

bobandbill April 7th, 2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10003125)
How did mewtwo have an armored form in the 90’s.

Digimon had armored stuff it seems on April 2, 2000.

But still if Pokémon ripped off Mega evolution.

And other things.

It’s no reason to not believe that they stole armor digivolution.

It was a plot event of the first Pokemon movie. Team Rocket gave Mewtwo armour to try to curb its powers and help them control it. Said movie debuted in 1998 (1999 outside of Japan).

Rivvon April 7th, 2019 1:58 PM

I just can't imagine what "Armored Evolution" could bring to the table that Mega Evolution doesn't already. With how drastic some of the design changes can be when undergoing Mega Evolution, why couldn't they just make new Megas and give their designs some armor-esque touches? Aggron and Slowbro and even Houndoom are already encroaching on this territory as far as I'm concerned. I also don't like this recent trend of making features "for the time being" rather than thinking of the longevity of the franchise as a whole. Instead of making Megas in one gen and then dropping them for Z-Moves, then dropping Z-Moves for something else completely unnecessary, they should just work on fleshing out what they already have.

#1TrubbishFan April 17th, 2019 5:43 AM

1. Armored evolution is for sure coming. The leaker knew the names of the games. While not impossible to guess, it's pretty unlikely that's a coincidence.
2. Everything relating to armored Mewtwo is absolutely merchandise for the movie. Mewtwo is one of many pokemon supposedly getting armored evolution, there's no reason for it to be trademarked when Armored Zerarora and Armored Charizard aren't.
3. What is armored evolution?
I don't know. Is it just another mega evolution? Possibly, but more likely is that it's the exact same thing as mega evolution but in a new style. Mega stones tied deeply into Kalos' characters and history. When they were included in Sun and Moon, they felt tacked on and out of place (ORAS doesn't count it's an alternate timeline). Maybe there will be new megas that incorporate armor into their designs. Armored evolution could just be mega evolution Galar style. I believe this is the most likely possibility, even if it means Charizard and Mewtwo will have THREE MEGA FORMS (gotta pander to genwunners somehow). Perhaps the whole "evolution" part is a translation error and armored evolution is simply a held item that increases defensiveness. We'll have to wait and see.

Rengoku April 17th, 2019 5:55 AM

Tbh I really don't get why Pokemon needs to always release new kind of things each time; Especially since generation 6.
We can do fine without Mega Evolution (I do love most of them a lot but that is beside the point) and Z-moves tbh, I just feel they have been "trying too hard".

janejane6178 April 17th, 2019 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 10003380)
I just can't imagine what "Armored Evolution" could bring to the table that Mega Evolution doesn't already. With how drastic some of the design changes can be when undergoing Mega Evolution, why couldn't they just make new Megas and give their designs some armor-esque touches? Aggron and Slowbro and even Houndoom are already encroaching on this territory as far as I'm concerned. I also don't like this recent trend of making features "for the time being" rather than thinking of the longevity of the franchise as a whole. Instead of making Megas in one gen and then dropping them for Z-Moves, then dropping Z-Moves for something else completely unnecessary, they should just work on fleshing out what they already have.

Omg this is SO true. Thanks for psoting this I feel the same way.
They just ditch every new idea they do.. instead of making itb etter

Pokedigifan1178 May 5th, 2019 7:38 AM

Honestly this whole armored evolution thing sounds very much like gamefreak is ripping off digimon.

mysticalflute May 6th, 2019 7:29 PM

God I hope this isn't true. Mega Evolution seemed enough like a ripoff to me. Z-Moves were a cool regional variant for Alola.

I hope we just go back to regular Mega Evolution and "Armored Mewtwo" just has to do with the movie.

Pokedigifan1178 May 7th, 2019 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mysticalflute (Post 10015146)
God I hope this isn't true. Mega Evolution seemed enough like a ripoff to me. Z-Moves were a cool regional variant for Alola.

I hope we just go back to regular Mega Evolution and "Armored Mewtwo" just has to do with the movie.

Yeah because I’m pretty sure gamefreak would be under fire if they keep on ripping off from digimon.

Fairy May 7th, 2019 11:54 PM

I dunno man, armored Mewtwo was around well before Digimon did armored versions. I don’t think they’re really ripping anyone off. Being ‘armored’ is kind of one of those conventions in RPGs (granted it’s usually the player character but still) that exist perpetually. And even if they were inspired by Digimon, is there really anything wrong with that?

As for the rumors themselves, meh. I could take it or leave it. Interested to see what they do with Steel types since they are literally already armor, lol.

gimmepie May 8th, 2019 5:40 AM

I mean, Digimon is itself heavily inspired by Pokemon and it's been so long since digimon did Armour Evolution... which really wasn't that different mechanically to its normal kind compared to Pokemon where it'd likely be very mechanically different to the normal types of evolution.

I think calling armour evolution a rip-off would be a bit of a stretch. Personally, I'm undecided on whether I'm interested in the idea or not but I'm leaning towards no at this stage. We'll see.

Pokedigifan1178 May 8th, 2019 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 10015738)
I mean, Digimon is itself heavily inspired by Pokemon and it's been so long since digimon did Armour Evolution... which really wasn't that different mechanically to its normal kind compared to Pokemon where it'd likely be very mechanically different to the normal types of evolution.

I think calling armour evolution a rip-off would be a bit of a stretch. Personally, I'm undecided on whether I'm interested in the idea or not but I'm leaning towards no at this stage. We'll see.

digimon isnt really heavily inspired by pokemon.

it was more heavily inspired by tomagotchi.

digimon is short for digital monsters.

only reason pokemon is called that way was because some other company decided to sue nintendo for the pocket monsters name. so they shortened it to pokemon to prevent copy right.

gimmepie May 8th, 2019 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016035)
digimon isnt really heavily inspired by pokemon.

it was more heavily inspired by tomagotchi.

digimon is short for digital monsters.

only reason pokemon is called that way was because some other company decided to sue nintendo for the pocket monsters name. so they shortened it to pokemon to prevent copy right.

I know what it's short for, and I agree that was definitely an influence. There's a lot of striking similarities though given that it came out three years later.

Pokedigifan1178 May 9th, 2019 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 10016039)
I know what it's short for, and I agree that was definitely an influence. There's a lot of striking similarities though given that it came out three years later.

not really. charmander is a salamander. while agumon is a dinosaur.

i really dont see any digimon that look like pokemon and vice versa.

but its all thanks to the pokemon fans, some of them, that keep on saying its similiar by saying its a ripoff which its not.

gimmepie May 9th, 2019 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016551)
not really. charmander is a salamander. while agumon is a dinosaur.

i really dont see any digimon that look like pokemon and vice versa.

but its all thanks to the pokemon fans, some of them, that keep on saying its similiar by saying its a ripoff which its not.

Similarities don't have to be based on looks. I don't know if you've ever played any of the games, but the one I played was basically "if Pokemon was worse."

That being, said, I think we're going off on a bit of a tangent here. Bottom line is, I really don't think there's any real ripping off going on here.

Fairy May 9th, 2019 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016035)
only reason pokemon is called that way was because some other company decided to sue nintendo for the pocket monsters name. so they shortened it to pokemon to prevent copy right.

Actually no. It's true Nintendo was sued by the creators of "Monsters in my Pocket", but a judge ruled that there was no infringement and the case was later dismissed. They were not forced to shorten the name at all.

Pokedigifan1178 May 10th, 2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairy (Post 10016582)
Actually no. It's true Nintendo was sued by the creators of "Monsters in my Pocket", but a judge ruled that there was no infringement and the case was later dismissed. They were not forced to shorten the name at all.

still they changed it to pokemon later.

i feel like the new digimon survive will be way better than sword and shield.

its just digimon games have better plot and storyline thats all.

i'm just skeptical of armor evolution because even though i hear some people say its based off of mewtwo, it does sound a lot like armor digivolution.

Fairy May 10th, 2019 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016894)
still they changed it to pokemon later.

.... I would really like to see your sources on that. :/

But I digress. I don't want to stray off topic here. Being "armored" is nothing new to any fantasy RPG and you can date the concept back to well before Pokemon or Digimon ever became a thing. But I don't think either of them ripped off one another. Both Pokemon and Digimon presented the idea of "armored" monsters in a very unique way - and neither of them copy aspects of the other. Digimon has evolutions based around the use of armor, while Pokemon treats armor (so far) like clothing, or turns it into a Steel type. Not very similar, imo!

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016894)
i'm just skeptical of armor evolution because even though i hear some people say its based off of mewtwo, it does sound a lot like armor digivolution.

I recommend watching Pokemon: the First Movie! Not only is it a good film, but it explains that the "armored Mewtwo" is not an evolution (like it is with Digimon), but just a normal Mewtwo wearing a costume. More importantly though, armored Pokemon have yet to be confirmed, so there's definitely no ripping off to be found. :)

Pokedigifan1178 May 11th, 2019 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairy (Post 10017059)
.... I would really like to see your sources on that. :/

But I digress. I don't want to stray off topic here. Being "armored" is nothing new to any fantasy RPG and you can date the concept back to well before Pokemon or Digimon ever became a thing. But I don't think either of them ripped off one another. Both Pokemon and Digimon presented the idea of "armored" monsters in a very unique way - and neither of them copy aspects of the other. Digimon has evolutions based around the use of armor, while Pokemon treats armor (so far) like clothing, or turns it into a Steel type. Not very similar, imo!



I recommend watching Pokemon: the First Movie! Not only is it a good film, but it explains that the "armored Mewtwo" is not an evolution (like it is with Digimon), but just a normal Mewtwo wearing a costume. More importantly though, armored Pokemon have yet to be confirmed, so there's definitely no ripping off to be found. :)

Okay fine I agree on that because I don’t want to argue with you anymore.

Though I want to show you what sylveon looks like as a Digimon.

https://img00.deviantart.net/114a/i/2019/026/2/b/sylvimon_by_neoarchangemon-dcy4426.png

Sylvimon and eeveemon

Anyway I’ll just wait till sword and shield gets released and see what armor evolution looks like.

Centipede Chan May 15th, 2019 1:53 PM

This basically deconfirms armor evolution. While we will get something new to mix it up, this seems highly unlikely. Regardless if it does happen or not, you could say the same about megas + Ash Greninja, and I am pretty sure neither IPs in the current age planned or will plan to "copy" each other. Arceus forbid similar ideas are used

Rivvon May 17th, 2019 1:42 PM

This point about Mewtwo makes things really interesting. I'm hoping this stays exclusive to Mewtwo in the movie, but I would be perfectly fine if they tried to do a Spiky-eared Pichu/Ash-Greninja-style promo Pokémon event with Armored Mewtwo for Sword/Shield but nothing more. But in regards to an entire mechanic, it makes less sense than ever before. It's easy to say Mewtwo is where this idea even emerged from, but in the movie Mewtwo uses armor to suppress his powers--to make him weaker. But evolution is all about getting stronger! Who's gonna Armor Evolve their Pokémon to make them weaker? This definitely does nothing to shake my stance of omitting unnecessary new battle mechanics and instead focusing on polishing old ones.

Pokedigifan1178 May 30th, 2019 4:20 AM

We’ll have to wait till the game is released I guess.

Cid May 30th, 2019 4:43 AM

I think Pokémon takes inspiration from a lot of things, not just Digimon. The Z-Moves were similar to Yokai Watch's flashy special moves per yokai. If armored evolution is a thing, it could be a reference to Digimon, to something else, or even to the Pokémon franchise itself. They already armored Pokémon in the first movie (Mewtwo) and even in the Lucario movie (the war in that movie had tons of Pokémon wearing armor), after all.

If the rumor is possibly already debunked, I'm alright with that, too. Whatever they add to the games, I'll try to be open-minded about.

moon June 1st, 2019 9:16 AM

Interesting, I'm sure more fangames than Phoenix Rising have explored an armor evo concept before also.

I think it could be quite interesting, if done in a clever way with items. Perhaps once the pokemon holds the special item, it is permanently armored until it separates from the item? That way, unevolved pokemon could also be armored without necessarily evolving (which would make the anime more entertaining!) and each pokemon could have different kind of armors depending on what should be boosted (sp def or def, special resistances etc). idk

It doesn't bother me at all that Digimon (and likely plenty other stories through the ages) have done similar things :)

Pokedigifan1178 June 6th, 2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cid (Post 10025659)
I think Pokémon takes inspiration from a lot of things, not just Digimon. The Z-Moves were similar to Yokai Watch's flashy special moves per yokai. If armored evolution is a thing, it could be a reference to Digimon, to something else, or even to the Pokémon franchise itself. They already armored Pokémon in the first movie (Mewtwo) and even in the Lucario movie (the war in that movie had tons of Pokémon wearing armor), after all.

If the rumor is possibly already debunked, I'm alright with that, too. Whatever they add to the games, I'll try to be open-minded about.

Reference to digimon. I don’t think Nintendo would want to make a reference to a franchise they consider to be a ripoff


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