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gimmepie May 8th, 2019 5:40 AM

I mean, Digimon is itself heavily inspired by Pokemon and it's been so long since digimon did Armour Evolution... which really wasn't that different mechanically to its normal kind compared to Pokemon where it'd likely be very mechanically different to the normal types of evolution.

I think calling armour evolution a rip-off would be a bit of a stretch. Personally, I'm undecided on whether I'm interested in the idea or not but I'm leaning towards no at this stage. We'll see.

Pokedigifan1178 May 8th, 2019 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 10015738)
I mean, Digimon is itself heavily inspired by Pokemon and it's been so long since digimon did Armour Evolution... which really wasn't that different mechanically to its normal kind compared to Pokemon where it'd likely be very mechanically different to the normal types of evolution.

I think calling armour evolution a rip-off would be a bit of a stretch. Personally, I'm undecided on whether I'm interested in the idea or not but I'm leaning towards no at this stage. We'll see.

digimon isnt really heavily inspired by pokemon.

it was more heavily inspired by tomagotchi.

digimon is short for digital monsters.

only reason pokemon is called that way was because some other company decided to sue nintendo for the pocket monsters name. so they shortened it to pokemon to prevent copy right.

gimmepie May 8th, 2019 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016035)
digimon isnt really heavily inspired by pokemon.

it was more heavily inspired by tomagotchi.

digimon is short for digital monsters.

only reason pokemon is called that way was because some other company decided to sue nintendo for the pocket monsters name. so they shortened it to pokemon to prevent copy right.

I know what it's short for, and I agree that was definitely an influence. There's a lot of striking similarities though given that it came out three years later.

Pokedigifan1178 May 9th, 2019 4:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gimmepie (Post 10016039)
I know what it's short for, and I agree that was definitely an influence. There's a lot of striking similarities though given that it came out three years later.

not really. charmander is a salamander. while agumon is a dinosaur.

i really dont see any digimon that look like pokemon and vice versa.

but its all thanks to the pokemon fans, some of them, that keep on saying its similiar by saying its a ripoff which its not.

gimmepie May 9th, 2019 5:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016551)
not really. charmander is a salamander. while agumon is a dinosaur.

i really dont see any digimon that look like pokemon and vice versa.

but its all thanks to the pokemon fans, some of them, that keep on saying its similiar by saying its a ripoff which its not.

Similarities don't have to be based on looks. I don't know if you've ever played any of the games, but the one I played was basically "if Pokemon was worse."

That being, said, I think we're going off on a bit of a tangent here. Bottom line is, I really don't think there's any real ripping off going on here.

Fairy May 9th, 2019 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016035)
only reason pokemon is called that way was because some other company decided to sue nintendo for the pocket monsters name. so they shortened it to pokemon to prevent copy right.

Actually no. It's true Nintendo was sued by the creators of "Monsters in my Pocket", but a judge ruled that there was no infringement and the case was later dismissed. They were not forced to shorten the name at all.

Pokedigifan1178 May 10th, 2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairy (Post 10016582)
Actually no. It's true Nintendo was sued by the creators of "Monsters in my Pocket", but a judge ruled that there was no infringement and the case was later dismissed. They were not forced to shorten the name at all.

still they changed it to pokemon later.

i feel like the new digimon survive will be way better than sword and shield.

its just digimon games have better plot and storyline thats all.

i'm just skeptical of armor evolution because even though i hear some people say its based off of mewtwo, it does sound a lot like armor digivolution.

Fairy May 10th, 2019 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016894)
still they changed it to pokemon later.

.... I would really like to see your sources on that. :/

But I digress. I don't want to stray off topic here. Being "armored" is nothing new to any fantasy RPG and you can date the concept back to well before Pokemon or Digimon ever became a thing. But I don't think either of them ripped off one another. Both Pokemon and Digimon presented the idea of "armored" monsters in a very unique way - and neither of them copy aspects of the other. Digimon has evolutions based around the use of armor, while Pokemon treats armor (so far) like clothing, or turns it into a Steel type. Not very similar, imo!

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Originally Posted by Pokedigifan1178 (Post 10016894)
i'm just skeptical of armor evolution because even though i hear some people say its based off of mewtwo, it does sound a lot like armor digivolution.

I recommend watching Pokemon: the First Movie! Not only is it a good film, but it explains that the "armored Mewtwo" is not an evolution (like it is with Digimon), but just a normal Mewtwo wearing a costume. More importantly though, armored Pokemon have yet to be confirmed, so there's definitely no ripping off to be found. :)

Pokedigifan1178 May 11th, 2019 2:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairy (Post 10017059)
.... I would really like to see your sources on that. :/

But I digress. I don't want to stray off topic here. Being "armored" is nothing new to any fantasy RPG and you can date the concept back to well before Pokemon or Digimon ever became a thing. But I don't think either of them ripped off one another. Both Pokemon and Digimon presented the idea of "armored" monsters in a very unique way - and neither of them copy aspects of the other. Digimon has evolutions based around the use of armor, while Pokemon treats armor (so far) like clothing, or turns it into a Steel type. Not very similar, imo!



I recommend watching Pokemon: the First Movie! Not only is it a good film, but it explains that the "armored Mewtwo" is not an evolution (like it is with Digimon), but just a normal Mewtwo wearing a costume. More importantly though, armored Pokemon have yet to be confirmed, so there's definitely no ripping off to be found. :)

Okay fine I agree on that because I don’t want to argue with you anymore.

Though I want to show you what sylveon looks like as a Digimon.

https://img00.deviantart.net/114a/i/2019/026/2/b/sylvimon_by_neoarchangemon-dcy4426.png

Sylvimon and eeveemon

Anyway I’ll just wait till sword and shield gets released and see what armor evolution looks like.

Centipede Chan May 15th, 2019 1:53 PM

This basically deconfirms armor evolution. While we will get something new to mix it up, this seems highly unlikely. Regardless if it does happen or not, you could say the same about megas + Ash Greninja, and I am pretty sure neither IPs in the current age planned or will plan to "copy" each other. Arceus forbid similar ideas are used

Rivvon May 17th, 2019 1:42 PM

This point about Mewtwo makes things really interesting. I'm hoping this stays exclusive to Mewtwo in the movie, but I would be perfectly fine if they tried to do a Spiky-eared Pichu/Ash-Greninja-style promo Pokémon event with Armored Mewtwo for Sword/Shield but nothing more. But in regards to an entire mechanic, it makes less sense than ever before. It's easy to say Mewtwo is where this idea even emerged from, but in the movie Mewtwo uses armor to suppress his powers--to make him weaker. But evolution is all about getting stronger! Who's gonna Armor Evolve their Pokémon to make them weaker? This definitely does nothing to shake my stance of omitting unnecessary new battle mechanics and instead focusing on polishing old ones.

Pokedigifan1178 May 30th, 2019 4:20 AM

We’ll have to wait till the game is released I guess.

Cid May 30th, 2019 4:43 AM

I think Pokémon takes inspiration from a lot of things, not just Digimon. The Z-Moves were similar to Yokai Watch's flashy special moves per yokai. If armored evolution is a thing, it could be a reference to Digimon, to something else, or even to the Pokémon franchise itself. They already armored Pokémon in the first movie (Mewtwo) and even in the Lucario movie (the war in that movie had tons of Pokémon wearing armor), after all.

If the rumor is possibly already debunked, I'm alright with that, too. Whatever they add to the games, I'll try to be open-minded about.

moon June 1st, 2019 9:16 AM

Interesting, I'm sure more fangames than Phoenix Rising have explored an armor evo concept before also.

I think it could be quite interesting, if done in a clever way with items. Perhaps once the pokemon holds the special item, it is permanently armored until it separates from the item? That way, unevolved pokemon could also be armored without necessarily evolving (which would make the anime more entertaining!) and each pokemon could have different kind of armors depending on what should be boosted (sp def or def, special resistances etc). idk

It doesn't bother me at all that Digimon (and likely plenty other stories through the ages) have done similar things :)

Pokedigifan1178 June 6th, 2019 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cid (Post 10025659)
I think Pokémon takes inspiration from a lot of things, not just Digimon. The Z-Moves were similar to Yokai Watch's flashy special moves per yokai. If armored evolution is a thing, it could be a reference to Digimon, to something else, or even to the Pokémon franchise itself. They already armored Pokémon in the first movie (Mewtwo) and even in the Lucario movie (the war in that movie had tons of Pokémon wearing armor), after all.

If the rumor is possibly already debunked, I'm alright with that, too. Whatever they add to the games, I'll try to be open-minded about.

Reference to digimon. I don’t think Nintendo would want to make a reference to a franchise they consider to be a ripoff


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