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twocows May 25th, 2019 4:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Maedar (Post 10022860)
Uh, Twocows, you really just proved my point, which was that the situations for Clinton and Trump are as different as night and day.

If that's your point, then I agree with that. They're entirely different situations and it doesn't make sense to compare them. You said some other things I disagree with, though.

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Originally Posted by LDSman (Post 10023577)
I think the biggest problem facing Dems is that they just spent two years vilifying and irritating Trump and/or "not Hillary voters" by calling them racist or whatever. I know quite a few people who intend to vote for him again just because they are really pissed at the Dems. It also doesn't help that the Dems don't seem to have any good choices at the moment.

If you couldn't tell from my earlier post, I'm also extremely pissed at the DNC, and I can understand why the DNC's actions over the past several years would lead people to vote Trump; I also felt the urge several times to vote for him in 2016 just because of how pissed I was at the DNC. I didn't, though, because he wasn't the best choice. And I'm not going to in 2020, because letting emotions guide your decisions does not usually lead to good decisions. I'll probably vote third party like I did in 2016.

Voting is your only observable way of showing politicians what your beliefs are. If you're not happy with the DNC and if you're not happy with the GOP, voting for a third party produces a permanent public record that someone, somewhere was fed up with both of them. It probably won't change the ultimate result of the election, but if enough people vote third party, that shows up in records that your representatives look at. These numbers can change how your representative conceives his district's politics, and they use that to determine how to vote on various issues. You know how occasionally you see politicians in the news who vote against their party on particular things? Justin Amash is a big one here right now. They wouldn't do that if it didn't make sense to do in their district. The reason politicians do things like this is because they look at the voting numbers in their district and think this behavior will play well with the people voting for them.

CodeHelmet May 25th, 2019 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by twocows (Post 10023672)
If that's your point, then I agree with that. They're entirely different situations and it doesn't make sense to compare them. You said some other things I disagree with, though.



If you couldn't tell from my earlier post, I'm also extremely pissed at the DNC, and I can understand why the DNC's actions over the past several years would lead people to vote Trump; I also felt the urge several times to vote for him in 2016 just because of how pissed I was at the DNC. I didn't, though, because he wasn't the best choice. And I'm not going to in 2020, because letting emotions guide your decisions does not usually lead to good decisions. I'll probably vote third party like I did in 2016.

Voting is your only observable way of showing politicians what your beliefs are. If you're not happy with the DNC and if you're not happy with the GOP, voting for a third party produces a permanent public record that someone, somewhere was fed up with both of them. It probably won't change the ultimate result of the election, but if enough people vote third party, that shows up in records that your representatives look at. These numbers can change how your representative conceives his district's politics, and they use that to determine how to vote on various issues. You know how occasionally you see politicians in the news who vote against their party on particular things? Justin Amash is a big one here right now. They wouldn't do that if it didn't make sense to do in their district. The reason politicians do things like this is because they look at the voting numbers in their district and think this behavior will play well with the people voting for them.

Well said and I'm basically pissed at both parties right now. As I said in my OP, I haven't made up my mind on whom I'm voting for but what I have decided on is to never vote for another Democrat ever again. The party has lost their collective minds and no longer represent US citizens. They care more about foreigners than those they swore an oath to represent and more about usurping the results of 2016 than actually legislating and fixing glaring problems facing the country. Why people would blindly vote for them because they have a "D" next to their name(same deal for those on opposite side) is something I struggle to understand every day. I'm not asking people to vote GOP(they have their own skeletons/problems) but to strongly consider 3rd party as opposed to Democrats.

Maedar June 8th, 2019 4:40 AM

I just had to post this. Seems some polls lately are being less than honest:

https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/b76653_dca30f22bfd9461baf54b49ef32555ff.pdf

This poll taken in North Carolina seems to favor Trump, both on the election and the issues. But then it shows some bizarre data that seem to suggest an intentional skew.

It first claims that only 12% of respondents have school-age children. Then 80% claim to be Caucasian (North Carolina's actually demographics are much different) and then, a whopping 91% claim to be over 55.

While I admit that senior citizens, who in recent years have skewed conservative, vote more reliably than younger people, THIS is ridiculous.

Clearly, this poll was rather selective in its respondents. I have to wonder, how many other Conservative-leaning pundits (like this one) are doing this?

TailsMK4 June 10th, 2019 8:59 AM

That is pretty much all polls in general, as they do not get the whole picture. We really only ever find out how a presidential election goes when the votes actually get cast, and even then, there are people that decide not to vote. That's a freedom that this country offers...there are some countries where you MUST vote. So I pay very little attention to polls since they have their own slants. From a statistics-viewpoint, polls are always biased, even if not explicitly said. Instead, I pay attention to what politicians do for me to form my opinion.

Staying on topic, I have let off on caring much about politics since really nothing much has changed. Lots of people still cannot put the Mueller report behind them (the claim of obstruction is still debatable, but the primary objective of trying to prove Trump colluded was proven to be completely false). I think insisting on continuing to dwell over this is going to help Trump in the long term, but the economy is still the biggest reason for why he would get reelected. I think it doesn't help that the Democrat challengers cannot seem to agree on important issues regarding their own platform (the recent attacks on Joe Biden come to mind). It's really hard to say who would be the primary challenger to Trump, but I am beginning to wonder if there is again some favoritism in the party that brought down Bernie Sanders in favor of Hilary Clinton last election. No basis on that thought, just wondering based on the current state of actions for the Democratic party to choose someone to challenge Trump.


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