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October 4th, 2019 2:36 AM |
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Originally Posted by Kanzler
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I don't know if you are joking or not. If these people are poor and in straits dire enough that they're going to make the trek all the way to the southern border at great personal risk with a high risk of being detained or deported once they get there, are they really going to add in some "cheap" plastic surgery to the point that we're going to need DNA tests on everybody to overcome that? There's an element of realism to this discussion that you have to appreciate or else we'll just talk about fanciful hypotheticals and waste each others' time.
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I think this is where we are getting into our point of disagreement, most, if not the vast majority of these people are poor and in dire straits, no doubt. However, and this is where I think we disagree, is that there are some, who come that have less than noble means, and are using the lack of security on the border as a easier way to get in.
Can we not agree, at least that not every single migrant that comes, could have good intentions?
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Originally Posted by Kanzler
(Post 10075113)
Yes, but what about asylum seekers make them about to kill someone with a DUI, raping people or doing other horrible things? Last time I checked, Americans do that too! Would you feel better if you had some crime committed upon you by, no, not even a Green Card, a birth-right American? Are crimes by asylum seekers somehow worse than crimes committed by Americans? You would need to demonstrate that asylum seekers are dangerous, and enough of them so dangerous that you require a standard of information from them that is that much greater than everyone else. It simply doesn't seem proportional to treat them so differently otherwise. How many asylum seekers are out there, and how many Americans in your country committing the same crimes? You might as well throw the money you spend on DNA testing - which again is flawed and we haven't really addressed that - on policing your own people more if you want the effect of reducing more crime - not that I propose that of course.
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I would say actually yes it is worse, as a normal American is in the country, he or she is born there, and they committing a crime is part of having a society of humans, there is nothing that can change it. When it comes to asylum seekers, the Government has a choice, should they let them in, or not. If the Government lets someone in who goes on and rapes a person, then the question then becomes why did the Government let that person in and the first place? When accepting a person for asylum, the Government must always think of the good of their own people first, will this person contribute to the good or not? They also must use every means necessary to make sure that person will not hurt others.
You talked before about how DNA testing is a matter of privacy, however being able to live outside of the country of your birth is a privilege, not a right. If your right to privacy matters more to you than the privilege to live in that country, then you can always return home.
And of course I say that as a person who has lived in a foreign country for multiple years now, and knows that I could be deported at any time if I do not comply with what ever rules or laws that country wishes to impose on me.
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