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it’s impeachment day y’all
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News on twitter says that he's been impeached.
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Awesome with polls showing the public against impeachment, despite the Democrats doing everything possible to make their case, it now moves onto the Senate where the Republicans can decide for either a swift aquital or a prolonged trial with witnesses based on the Republican majority choosing.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html |
I assume everyone here has seen Mr. Trump's, ahem, "letter" to Speaker Pelosi?
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-letter-pelosi-impeachment-eve-195636055.html IMOHO, the term "not helping your case comes to mind. Incidentally, ALT, your own link shows two polls with the "Yes/Remove" group up. The poll in The Economist says the Yes group is up 8 points, the Politico poll has them up 7. I found a very different poll, btw: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/cnn-poll-impeachment-views/index.html |
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http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/12/16/rel14a.-.trump,.impeachment.pdf |
Get him outta there
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ALT, your link includes THESE two Polls.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ua3ar45wbg/econTabReport.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/191266_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_PARTIAL-v3.pdf Quote:
And why do you excuse the juvenile, threatening letter he made to Ms. Pelosi? |
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He was impeached, it's fact, but it doesn't necessarily mean the end of his presidency. Unfortunately we may have 4 more years of his idiocy ahead of us.
He may not be removed or indicted since the senate is mostly republicans, but still, being impeached is a huge embarrassment to him and could affect his 2020 election campaign? |
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As for his re-election campaign, his polls have gone up recently, and this whole thing is helping Trump rake in money, if anything Trump will try and turn this into Kavanaugh 2.0, to fire up the base. |
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To say that they will attempt to impeach the next Democratic president in retaliation is both horrendously immature and a clear sign that a person with power shouldn't have it. Quote:
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April 2016 before Trump is even the nominee, "Could Trump be impeached shortly after he takes office" https://www.politico.eu/article/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-shortly-after-he-takes-office-us-presidential-election-2016-american-president-impeachment/ July 12 2017, Representative Sherman introduces articles of impeachment. August 2017, Representative Steve Cohen introduces articles of impeachment. December 2017, Representative Al Green introduces articles of impeachment. It is defeated 364–58. January 19, 2018, Representative Al Green introduces articles of impeachment AGAIN, It is defeated 355–66. January 4, 2018, Representative Rashida Tlaib yells out, “And when your son looks at you and says, ‘Mama, look, you won. Bullies don’t win,’ and I said, ‘Baby, they don’t’ – because we’re gonna go in there and we’re going to impeach the mother........” March 1, 2019, Representative Brad Sherman introduces articles of impeachment March 27, 2019, Representative Rashida Tlaib introduces articles of impeachment May 25, 2019, Representative Shelia Jackson Lee introduces articles of impeachment. I'm sorry but if you believe that it is messed up for a party to use impeachment as a political tool against a President you don't like. Then you are about three years too late. |
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Clinton: You have Whitewater, lying under oath, etc etc Bush: You have Iraq ( Lead up to war, hiding information, etc ). Obama: You have Iran ( Exchanging money for hostages, turning a blind eye to drugs, etc ). If a party believes that impeachment is just a tool to fix an election that they lost, which lets be realistic, a lot of Democrats believe that, then you can impeach any President. I would say that maybe impeachment would carry more weight behind it, if we hadn't spent the last three years deciding not if but when Democrats will impeach Trump. Edit: Also want to point out a poll taken a month after he was sworn in, 58% of Democrats said they wanted to impeach Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/24/impeach-trump-most-democrats-already-say-yes/ This has been a thing since day one, and is it any wonder that Republicans are saying they will do the same, whenever another Democrat is elected? |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Barack_Obama Also let's not pretend it was over sexual assault lol. Clinton tried to block a civil lawsuit coming through when he was in office, the SCOTUS refused it and the republicans spent the next year trying to find anything they could to impeach Clinton Though I'm glad you think lying is an impeachable offence, considering Trump's record. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones The lawsuit that Clinton lied and engaged in witness intimidation in, was a sexual harassment lawsuit. Quote:
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"The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated on October 8, 1998, when the United States House of Representatives voted to commence impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton, the 42nd president of the United States, for "high crimes and misdemeanors." The specific charges against Clinton were lying under oath and obstruction of justice. The charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones and from Clinton's testimony denying that he had engaged in a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky." " In late 1997, Linda Tripp began secretly recording conversations with her friend Monica Lewinsky, a former intern and Department of Defense employee. In those recordings, Lewinsky divulged that she had had a sexual relationship with Clinton." "In the November 1998 House elections, the Democrats picked up five seats in the House, but the Republicans still maintained majority control. The results went against what House Speaker Newt Gingrich predicted, who, before the election, had been reassured by private polling that Clinton's scandal would result in Republican gains of up to thirty House seats. Shortly after the elections, Gingrich, who had been one of the leading advocates for impeachment, announced he would resign from Congress as soon as he was able to find somebody to fill his vacant seat" It was always politically motivated. Clinton having a civil court claim against him was not grounds for impeachment, they tried to do him over claiming he had no relations with Lewinsky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations It's very, very clear that it wasn't about "sexual harassment" for the GOP, if civil cases around sexual harassment were grounds to impeach, then why haven't they moved on Trump for it? |
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The Republican's impeached Clinton for lying under oath and witness intimidation, where did he lie under oath and engage in witness intimidation? A sexual harassment lawsuit case. I never said the lawsuit itself was grounds for impeachment, what was grounds for impeachment was lying under oath and witness intimidation in attempting to get around the sexual harassment lawsuit. |
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ALT, we ain't dumb. Let me give you a comparison, Al Capone. When he was finally arrested, the charge was "tax evasion". So why did they send a small army of federal agents to arrest him and employ the best prosecutors in the country at his trial, all for a white collar criminal? Because, they were using "tax evasion" as an excuse; they doubted they could present charges of mass-murder, bootlegging, extortion, and bribing countless officials and police, and make them stick. But Capone was a dangerous man who had to be taken down, so they did so with "tax evasion". And to think, people don't like the IRS, who contributed just as much towards taking the fiend down as Eliot Ness. Clinton's impeachment was a politically-motivated attack on his person, using "perjury" as an excuse to paint him as an immoral sex-fiend (orchestrated by a hypocritical House Speaker who was himself an unfaithful husband), and I gotta laugh at anyone who suggests otherwise. |
So what do y'all think is gonna happen now? Are the Senate Republicans gonna go for a short trial and vote, or are they gonna drag it out?
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If they DO call Schiff to the stand and try to get him to confess to whatever they think he's guilty of, they're in for a reality check. Hopefully, whoever tries to grill him will be better at it than those RUDE protesters who stormed his Town Hall event last week uninvited and called him a traitor with rather "colorful" language. |
I do believe the Senate will be successful if they decide to drag this out, and I personally think they should, but that is not my call to make. That is likely why the Democrats are not going to submit the articles right away, as they know their chances of making this work are zero, and they will lose all control once it moves to the Senate. The public has been split on impeachment for a while (though again, polls only tell a small part of the story, so I do not take them into consideration), so we can tell how divisive this has been to the country. I do believe the Democrats set a very dangerous tone moving forward (I again stick to the opinion that the impeachment process has been a huge waste of time), so I would urge the House and Senate to perhaps take another look at how the impeachment process should be set up, or it is very likely to come up again.
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Also we don't know who the next dem president will be so how...can they say that? |
As long as we don't have four more years of him, I've gotten to the point where I didn't care if he was impeached, because all it will do now is embarrass him. He likely won't leave office, and no matter how childish he sounds when he speaks or tweets, there's still millions of people who want him in office. I'm just sick of hearing about it. At this point even people who don't support him won't speak up or go against him, because they're afraid of the people in their social circles judging them. I've had so many people tell me that, it's so sad to me.
Merry Impeachmas indeed, I just want him gone so I never have to hear about him ever again unless I willingly look it up. lol |
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He also is a fighter, someone that will punch, bite, and claw back, compare that to the last three Republicans: Mitt Romney, John McCain, and George W Bush. All of which wanted to express decorum and not fight back. Anyway latest impeachment strategy seems to be that Pelosi won’t send over the appointed members to make the house’s case to the Senate. This seems to utterly undermine the urgency displayed earlier to get impeachment done as fast as possible. It also does not make any constitutional sense as the Senate could theoretically start the trial without anyone from the House anyway. |
Oh that George W. Bush, known for his decorum and sense of decency
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I personally have no idea why anyone supports him. He makes me sick. But here's an article I found with an opinion on it: https://www.dailywire.com/news/3-types-trump-supporters-and-why-they-defend-ben-shapiro |
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Also Bush was a fucking idiot who didn't know how to talk, I'm shocked he graduated high school. He fabricated a lie about Iraq just to "finish" what his idiot father started and destabilized a whole nation just for oil. The war in the middle east doesn't need to continue, there's no weapons of mass destruction, bin laden is dead. Let these people rebuild their lives. |
Being "assertive" is one thing. Trump long ago crossed the line into "obnoxious" and "vulgar".
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And when they DO see photographic evidence, it's "obviously" been "shopped". Why? Well, as Seth Meyers famously said, "Barack Obama will go down in history as the first black person ever to have to prove that he killed someone." |
Back on topic....
Feldman says that if pelosi doesn’t transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate, then the Pres isn’t actually impeached. It’s rather amusing that Pelosi seems to be demanding a quid pro quo for for this. |
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The Senate, as-is, needs the House to submit the articles as well as representatives from the House before a trial can officially begin, but the Senate could change that if they wish, since they have the votes needed to change how impeachment works in the Senate. What they will do depends on what Pelosi decides to do, since right now she has chosen to hold the articles. The other thing that can happen is that the articles are not submitted at all, and just dropped...which is ironic since they were so fired up about impeachment in the first place that it would look really bad on them if they did that, meaning it was even more of a political play than any attempt at "justice". Either way you look at it, the Democrats have backed themselves into a corner, with both ways to get out of said corner potentially very damaging to them, and staying in said corner also damaging. The smart move was not to do this in the first place, but I think Pelosi and the others gave in to the radicalized portion of the party that really should have joined the Socialist party in the first place...ah, but third parties do not do very well in this country, so that option was out. Couple what's going on with candidates that are not very strong to go against Trump, and it makes perfect sense why they went through with this: they stand no chance unless they are able to convince voters to vote Democrat, and I do believe they have succeeded somewhat in this due to many factors, but maybe not enough since they have alienated many of the independents that do follow politics, even if it was very painful this year to follow politics. Again, I am just stating my opinions on the matter, but I have not seen anything by the Democrats to convince me to change my mind on the topic of impeachment, and in fact I have a very negative opinion of the party now. |
I think it’ll be the same outcome no matter what the senate does. The Dems will be upset the Trump wasn’t removed from office and claim political bias.
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tbh I don't see the point in Pelosi delaying sending it up to the Senate, there's nothing to be gained from it afaik
even if the Senate for some reason grants her request, the extra testimony won't change the outcome of the vote, nor will it significantly change public opinion (and maybe by extension, the election), it's obvious those were set in stone a long time ago |
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Maybe Pelosi is simply keeping her ultimate strategy hidden so Trump and McConnell won't see it coming.
Who was the guy who in 2016 stressed the importance of "the element of surprise"? |
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Ironic, ain't it? But then, I truly doubt HE remembers it either. |
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As for Russia, I really wish the left would give up on that conspiracy theory. The Mueller report should have driven a stake through it once and for all. |
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Nope, no attempt at quid pro quo there. None at all. Frankly though, even if Trump wasn't offering a trade, asking for Ukraine to undermine a political opponent still goes against democracy and is probably impeachable in and of itself. Quote:
Even if we choose to pretend that the stuff with Russia is nothing though, the open attempt at a quid pro quo with Ukraine is plenty incriminating alone and is well and truly grounds for impeachment by itself. |
Lindsey Graham has completely lost his mind:
https://in-other-news.us/2019/12/22/huge-lindsey-graham-promises-to-call-in-every-person-who-signed-bogus-carter-page-fisa-warrants-comey-mccabe-yates-rosenstein-video/ So much for any hope of a "quick acquittal". On another note, Trump, if you recall, warned that "the Stock Market would crash" if he were impeached. It did not. In face, since the vote was taken, it's been up 7%. |
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https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/12/23/mcconnell-senate-gop-has-not-ruled-out-witnesses-in-trump-trial/23886646/
McConnell seems to be changing his stance slightly... |
I was real upset with how democrats were handling impeachment until Pelosi held up sending to the Senate. Now if they request the Supreme Court expedite decisions relating to Trump like Special Prosecutor Jaworski did against Nixon, I’ll be REALLY psyched.
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New Poll from the Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-52-of-americans-support-trumps-impeachment-and-removal-2019-12 |
Listening to Senator McConnell talk. Sounds like he may be for ending the impeachment process.
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A little update, Sen. Josh Hawley is introducing a resolution that changes Senate rules, if Pelosi does not send over the impeachment articles in 25 days, after passing impeachment ( January 13th ), the Senate will dismiss the articles "with prejudice for failure by the House of Representatives to prosecute such articles".
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/476974-gop-senators-introduce-resolution-to-change-rules-dismiss-impeachment-without At least a dozen GOP Senators have signed on to this resolution, I wouldn't be surprised if it passes and forces Pelosi's hand. |
Truthfully, I'd be very surprised if it does:
https://www.axios.com/bolton-romney-collins-republicans-impeachment-trial-f7867185-0d6c-4764-9f92-73c12c4e7bd9.html Btw, who is Josh Hawley? Never heard of him myself. |
Personally I'd rather that the House just hand it over to the Senate so we can get this over with already
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Also a bit of breaking news, Senator Mitch McConnell has the votes to impose the rules from the Clinton trial, and seems to be moving forward with that. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/07/mcconnell-prepares-to-move-forward-on-impeachment-trial-rules-without-democrats-095537 |
Okay, so what's keeping him?
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Pelosi still won’t send the impeachment over to the Senate. The Senate just needs to vote it dead and close it.
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Trump isn’t great but Pence is an actual Demon from hell. Pence has stated multiple times that he supports the LGBT community going through shock therapy to “cure” them. If Trump gets impeached then Pence is going to be in charge and I’m just not with that as a member of the LGBT community.
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Nanu, as much as I despise Pence, I find him about as scary as a block of wood.
Pence seemed to have learned his lesson when, as governor, his own economic advisers discovered his "religious freedoms act" would cause more damage to the economy of Indiana than a volcanic eruption the size of Vesuvius. Gaining support for a nationwide version would be political suicide and he knows it. If he EVER managed to get his "gay conversion therapy" idea made into an actual law, I'd eat my umbrella, okay? I much prefer him to Trump. |
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Anyway Pence is not going to become President, unless there is impeachment, out of which he wouldn't win election as the Republican base is going to be pissed and punish Republicans for voting to take out Trump. He also does not get much excitement among potential 2024 nominees, those like say Dan Crenshaw are far more popular. |
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But regarding the whole Pence thing, that's sort of a catch 22 with the impeachment. Removing Trump from office would then saddle us with another awful president until at least January 2021, but not removing Trump from office would then mean we still have to deal with him, plus he gets away with committing a crime (again). |
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I swear, you still think Trump is so popular? Answer me this, ALT, when was the last time a sovereign nation put an $80 million bounty on the U.S. President's head? Iran would never have dared do that to Reagan, either Bush, Clinton, or Obama, but they realize Trump is a weak and incompetent President. |
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More news:
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/01/13/gop-senators-reject-plans-to-dismiss-trump-impeachment/23900335/ You know, it's so satisfying to hear Trump's sycophants state, day after day, how the Democrats' plans have been "destroyed". Seems "destroy" is one of many words they just don't know the meaning of. Like "patriot" and "treason". Edit: Still more news: https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/01/14/house-releases-note-on-biden-case-from-giuliani-associate/23901095/ |
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So Pelosi finally sent the articles of impeachment to the Senate last night
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So today begins the removal trial of the impeachment process. The Chief Justice has been sworn in and the Senators have signed a book saying they will be impartial. Any one want to guess how long it will be before the final vote? The Iowa Caucus and State of the Union are coming up so both sides have a reason to hurry up and get this over with.
However I will say this drags on until Mid February at the earliest. |
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