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it’s impeachment day y’all
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News on twitter says that he's been impeached.
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Awesome with polls showing the public against impeachment, despite the Democrats doing everything possible to make their case, it now moves onto the Senate where the Republicans can decide for either a swift aquital or a prolonged trial with witnesses based on the Republican majority choosing.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html |
I assume everyone here has seen Mr. Trump's, ahem, "letter" to Speaker Pelosi?
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-letter-pelosi-impeachment-eve-195636055.html IMOHO, the term "not helping your case comes to mind. Incidentally, ALT, your own link shows two polls with the "Yes/Remove" group up. The poll in The Economist says the Yes group is up 8 points, the Politico poll has them up 7. I found a very different poll, btw: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/cnn-poll-impeachment-views/index.html |
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http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/12/16/rel14a.-.trump,.impeachment.pdf |
Get him outta there
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ALT, your link includes THESE two Polls.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ua3ar45wbg/econTabReport.pdf https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/191266_crosstabs_POLITICO_RVs_PARTIAL-v3.pdf Quote:
And why do you excuse the juvenile, threatening letter he made to Ms. Pelosi? |
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He was impeached, it's fact, but it doesn't necessarily mean the end of his presidency. Unfortunately we may have 4 more years of his idiocy ahead of us.
He may not be removed or indicted since the senate is mostly republicans, but still, being impeached is a huge embarrassment to him and could affect his 2020 election campaign? |
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As for his re-election campaign, his polls have gone up recently, and this whole thing is helping Trump rake in money, if anything Trump will try and turn this into Kavanaugh 2.0, to fire up the base. |
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To say that they will attempt to impeach the next Democratic president in retaliation is both horrendously immature and a clear sign that a person with power shouldn't have it. Quote:
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April 2016 before Trump is even the nominee, "Could Trump be impeached shortly after he takes office" https://www.politico.eu/article/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-shortly-after-he-takes-office-us-presidential-election-2016-american-president-impeachment/ July 12 2017, Representative Sherman introduces articles of impeachment. August 2017, Representative Steve Cohen introduces articles of impeachment. December 2017, Representative Al Green introduces articles of impeachment. It is defeated 364–58. January 19, 2018, Representative Al Green introduces articles of impeachment AGAIN, It is defeated 355–66. January 4, 2018, Representative Rashida Tlaib yells out, “And when your son looks at you and says, ‘Mama, look, you won. Bullies don’t win,’ and I said, ‘Baby, they don’t’ – because we’re gonna go in there and we’re going to impeach the mother........” March 1, 2019, Representative Brad Sherman introduces articles of impeachment March 27, 2019, Representative Rashida Tlaib introduces articles of impeachment May 25, 2019, Representative Shelia Jackson Lee introduces articles of impeachment. I'm sorry but if you believe that it is messed up for a party to use impeachment as a political tool against a President you don't like. Then you are about three years too late. |
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Clinton: You have Whitewater, lying under oath, etc etc Bush: You have Iraq ( Lead up to war, hiding information, etc ). Obama: You have Iran ( Exchanging money for hostages, turning a blind eye to drugs, etc ). If a party believes that impeachment is just a tool to fix an election that they lost, which lets be realistic, a lot of Democrats believe that, then you can impeach any President. I would say that maybe impeachment would carry more weight behind it, if we hadn't spent the last three years deciding not if but when Democrats will impeach Trump. Edit: Also want to point out a poll taken a month after he was sworn in, 58% of Democrats said they wanted to impeach Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/24/impeach-trump-most-democrats-already-say-yes/ This has been a thing since day one, and is it any wonder that Republicans are saying they will do the same, whenever another Democrat is elected? |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Barack_Obama Also let's not pretend it was over sexual assault lol. Clinton tried to block a civil lawsuit coming through when he was in office, the SCOTUS refused it and the republicans spent the next year trying to find anything they could to impeach Clinton Though I'm glad you think lying is an impeachable offence, considering Trump's record. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._Jones The lawsuit that Clinton lied and engaged in witness intimidation in, was a sexual harassment lawsuit. Quote:
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"The impeachment of Bill Clinton was initiated on October 8, 1998, when the United States House of Representatives voted to commence impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton, the 42nd president of the United States, for "high crimes and misdemeanors." The specific charges against Clinton were lying under oath and obstruction of justice. The charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against Clinton by Paula Jones and from Clinton's testimony denying that he had engaged in a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky." " In late 1997, Linda Tripp began secretly recording conversations with her friend Monica Lewinsky, a former intern and Department of Defense employee. In those recordings, Lewinsky divulged that she had had a sexual relationship with Clinton." "In the November 1998 House elections, the Democrats picked up five seats in the House, but the Republicans still maintained majority control. The results went against what House Speaker Newt Gingrich predicted, who, before the election, had been reassured by private polling that Clinton's scandal would result in Republican gains of up to thirty House seats. Shortly after the elections, Gingrich, who had been one of the leading advocates for impeachment, announced he would resign from Congress as soon as he was able to find somebody to fill his vacant seat" It was always politically motivated. Clinton having a civil court claim against him was not grounds for impeachment, they tried to do him over claiming he had no relations with Lewinsky. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations It's very, very clear that it wasn't about "sexual harassment" for the GOP, if civil cases around sexual harassment were grounds to impeach, then why haven't they moved on Trump for it? |
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The Republican's impeached Clinton for lying under oath and witness intimidation, where did he lie under oath and engage in witness intimidation? A sexual harassment lawsuit case. I never said the lawsuit itself was grounds for impeachment, what was grounds for impeachment was lying under oath and witness intimidation in attempting to get around the sexual harassment lawsuit. |
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ALT, we ain't dumb. Let me give you a comparison, Al Capone. When he was finally arrested, the charge was "tax evasion". So why did they send a small army of federal agents to arrest him and employ the best prosecutors in the country at his trial, all for a white collar criminal? Because, they were using "tax evasion" as an excuse; they doubted they could present charges of mass-murder, bootlegging, extortion, and bribing countless officials and police, and make them stick. But Capone was a dangerous man who had to be taken down, so they did so with "tax evasion". And to think, people don't like the IRS, who contributed just as much towards taking the fiend down as Eliot Ness. Clinton's impeachment was a politically-motivated attack on his person, using "perjury" as an excuse to paint him as an immoral sex-fiend (orchestrated by a hypocritical House Speaker who was himself an unfaithful husband), and I gotta laugh at anyone who suggests otherwise. |
So what do y'all think is gonna happen now? Are the Senate Republicans gonna go for a short trial and vote, or are they gonna drag it out?
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If they DO call Schiff to the stand and try to get him to confess to whatever they think he's guilty of, they're in for a reality check. Hopefully, whoever tries to grill him will be better at it than those RUDE protesters who stormed his Town Hall event last week uninvited and called him a traitor with rather "colorful" language. |
I do believe the Senate will be successful if they decide to drag this out, and I personally think they should, but that is not my call to make. That is likely why the Democrats are not going to submit the articles right away, as they know their chances of making this work are zero, and they will lose all control once it moves to the Senate. The public has been split on impeachment for a while (though again, polls only tell a small part of the story, so I do not take them into consideration), so we can tell how divisive this has been to the country. I do believe the Democrats set a very dangerous tone moving forward (I again stick to the opinion that the impeachment process has been a huge waste of time), so I would urge the House and Senate to perhaps take another look at how the impeachment process should be set up, or it is very likely to come up again.
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