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Couples-Consoling December 25th, 2019 2:20 PM

I was real upset with how democrats were handling impeachment until Pelosi held up sending to the Senate. Now if they request the Supreme Court expedite decisions relating to Trump like Special Prosecutor Jaworski did against Nixon, I’ll be REALLY psyched.

Maedar December 26th, 2019 5:10 PM

New Poll from the Business Insider

https://www.businessinsider.com/poll-52-of-americans-support-trumps-impeachment-and-removal-2019-12

LDSman January 3rd, 2020 9:26 AM

Listening to Senator McConnell talk. Sounds like he may be for ending the impeachment process.

EnglishALT January 6th, 2020 6:04 PM

A little update, Sen. Josh Hawley is introducing a resolution that changes Senate rules, if Pelosi does not send over the impeachment articles in 25 days, after passing impeachment ( January 13th ), the Senate will dismiss the articles "with prejudice for failure by the House of Representatives to prosecute such articles".

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/476974-gop-senators-introduce-resolution-to-change-rules-dismiss-impeachment-without

At least a dozen GOP Senators have signed on to this resolution, I wouldn't be surprised if it passes and forces Pelosi's hand.

Maedar January 7th, 2020 6:42 AM

Truthfully, I'd be very surprised if it does:

https://www.axios.com/bolton-romney-collins-republicans-impeachment-trial-f7867185-0d6c-4764-9f92-73c12c4e7bd9.html

Btw, who is Josh Hawley? Never heard of him myself.

Nah January 7th, 2020 1:09 PM

Personally I'd rather that the House just hand it over to the Senate so we can get this over with already

EnglishALT January 7th, 2020 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maedar (Post 10110648)
Truthfully, I'd be very surprised if it does:

https://www.axios.com/bolton-romney-collins-republicans-impeachment-trial-f7867185-0d6c-4764-9f92-73c12c4e7bd9.html

Btw, who is Josh Hawley? Never heard of him myself.

Junior Senator from Missouri, he defeated Democratic Senator Clair McCaskill in 2018 to take the seat.

Also a bit of breaking news, Senator Mitch McConnell has the votes to impose the rules from the Clinton trial, and seems to be moving forward with that.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/07/mcconnell-prepares-to-move-forward-on-impeachment-trial-rules-without-democrats-095537

Maedar January 7th, 2020 2:16 PM

Okay, so what's keeping him?

EnglishALT January 7th, 2020 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maedar (Post 10110806)
Okay, so what's keeping him?

He has said he will introduce the measure next Monday. We will see what happens by then, and if Pelosi submits the articles between now and then making the measure useless.

LDSman January 9th, 2020 11:16 AM

Pelosi still won’t send the impeachment over to the Senate. The Senate just needs to vote it dead and close it.

Maedar January 10th, 2020 2:42 PM

Nope.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/01/10/nancy-pelosi-to-send-articles-of-impeachment-to-the-senate/23898480/

Nanusmightyena January 10th, 2020 3:27 PM

Trump isn’t great but Pence is an actual Demon from hell. Pence has stated multiple times that he supports the LGBT community going through shock therapy to “cure” them. If Trump gets impeached then Pence is going to be in charge and I’m just not with that as a member of the LGBT community.

EnglishALT January 10th, 2020 3:47 PM

Looks like she finally blinked, however McConnell is backing Josh Hawley‘s rule change so if that passes Monday, then she will have to send them next week.

LDSman January 10th, 2020 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanusmightyena (Post 10112332)
Trump isn’t great but Pence is an actual Demon from hell. Pence has stated multiple times that he supports the LGBT community going through shock therapy to “cure” them. If Trump gets impeached then Pence is going to be in charge and I’m just not with that as a member of the LGBT community.

Yeah, some people don’t seem to get that Pence would be Prez. They seem to think pelosi would get the position.

Nanusmightyena January 10th, 2020 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDSman (Post 10112353)
Yeah, some people don’t seem to get that Pence would be Prez. They seem to think pelosi would get the position.

People really need to retake 7th grade history then, lol.

Maedar January 10th, 2020 5:19 PM

Nanu, as much as I despise Pence, I find him about as scary as a block of wood.

Pence seemed to have learned his lesson when, as governor, his own economic advisers discovered his "religious freedoms act" would cause more damage to the economy of Indiana than a volcanic eruption the size of Vesuvius. Gaining support for a nationwide version would be political suicide and he knows it. If he EVER managed to get his "gay conversion therapy" idea made into an actual law, I'd eat my umbrella, okay?

I much prefer him to Trump.

Nanusmightyena January 10th, 2020 7:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maedar (Post 10112393)
Nanu, as much as I despise Pence, I find him about as scary as a block of wood.

Pence seemed to have learned his lesson when, as governor, his own economic advisers discovered his "religious freedoms act" would cause more damage to the economy of India than a volcanic eruption the size of Vesuvius. Gaining support for a nationwide version would be political suicide and he knows it. If he EVER managed to get his "gay conversion therapy" idea made into an actual law, I'd eat my umbrella, okay?

I much prefer him to Trump.

It’s not that I think that any of that is ACTUALLY going to happen. Obviously since this is a first world country it’s not. It’s the fact that the man is psychotic and a menace to the LGBT community. He’s much more batsh!t crazy than trump is by far.

Maedar January 10th, 2020 8:25 PM

Quote:

It’s not that I think that any of that is ACTUALLY going to happen. Obviously since this is a first world country it’s not. It’s the fact that the man is psychotic and a menace to the LGBT community. He’s much more batsh!t crazy than trump is by far.
Well, unlike Trump's base - who believe stuff like Pizzagate - Democrats are more in touch with reality. And are NOT afraid of a fool like Pence.

EnglishALT January 10th, 2020 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maedar (Post 10112496)
Well, unlike Trump's base - who believe stuff like Pizzagate - Democrats are more in touch with reality. And are NOT afraid of a fool like Pence.

Really? Lets have a moment of silence for all the strawmen burnt here, it is truly a massacre.

Anyway Pence is not going to become President, unless there is impeachment, out of which he wouldn't win election as the Republican base is going to be pissed and punish Republicans for voting to take out Trump. He also does not get much excitement among potential 2024 nominees, those like say Dan Crenshaw are far more popular.

Maedar January 11th, 2020 6:17 AM

Quote:

Anyway Pence is not going to become President, unless there is impeachment, out of which he wouldn't win election as the Republican base is going to be pissed and punish Republicans for voting to take out Trump.
On this we agree, although again, I doubt his base has as much influence as his sycophants claim.

Quote:

He also does not get much excitement among potential 2024 nominees, those like say Dan Crenshaw are far more popular.
Assuming Trump is re-elected, and IMOHO, the chances of that are getting less and less. Hopefully, by then, Trump and his sycophants will be nothing but bad memories.

Nah January 11th, 2020 6:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nanusmightyena (Post 10112355)
People really need to retake 7th grade history then, lol.

nah that wouldn't help, the reason why people don't know shit in the first place is cuz our education system is so poor, they'd just be going back to 7th grade to learn nothing all over again =)

But regarding the whole Pence thing, that's sort of a catch 22 with the impeachment. Removing Trump from office would then saddle us with another awful president until at least January 2021, but not removing Trump from office would then mean we still have to deal with him, plus he gets away with committing a crime (again).

EnglishALT January 11th, 2020 6:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nah (Post 10112631)
nah that wouldn't help, the reason why people don't know muk in the first place is cuz our education system is so poor, they'd just be going back to 7th grade to learn nothing all over again =)

But regarding the whole Pence thing, that's sort of a catch 22 with the impeachment. Removing Trump from office would then saddle us with another awful president until at least January 2021, but not removing Trump from office would then mean we still have to deal with him, plus he gets away with committing a crime (again).

Does anyone honestly expect Trump to be removed? The votes, like the evidence, honestly do not seem to be anywhere close to being there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maedar (Post 10112628)
On this we agree, although again, I doubt his base has as much influence as his sycophants claim.

You... just said the exact opposite of what I was saying, if Trump is removed it means a large number of Republicans voted for it. That means the vast majority of Republican voters, ( Trump's base ) will punish Senate Republicans by not voting for Pence and letting a Democrat take the White House, and showing their disapproval for removing Trump.

Nah January 11th, 2020 6:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishALT (Post 10112635)
Does anyone honestly expect Trump to be removed?

I think I've mentioned this before, but am 100% certain and have been for quite a while that Trump will not be removed from office, and nobody should believe otherwise

Nanusmightyena January 11th, 2020 8:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nah (Post 10112631)
nah that wouldn't help, the reason why people don't know shit in the first place is cuz our education system is so poor, they'd just be going back to 7th grade to learn nothing all over again =)

But regarding the whole Pence thing, that's sort of a catch 22 with the impeachment. Removing Trump from office would then saddle us with another awful president until at least January 2021, but not removing Trump from office would then mean we still have to deal with him, plus he gets away with committing a crime (again).

I couldn’t agree more with all of this. It’s just a sh!t situation.

Maedar January 11th, 2020 8:10 AM

Quote:

Does anyone honestly expect Trump to be removed?
No.

It's never been Pelosi's goal either.

Quote:

You... just said the exact opposite of what I was saying, if Trump is removed it means a large number of Republicans voted for it. That means the vast majority of Republican voters, ( Trump's base ) will punish Senate Republicans by not voting for Pence and letting a Democrat take the White House, and showing their disapproval for removing Trump.
Oh, I agree there too. But I doubt Trump's "base" would matter either way. They aren't as large nor as influential to make a difference, and Trump has done literally nothing to increase their numbers.


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