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MasterWGS July 5th, 2005 12:47 PM

Team Grant: Needs Rating
 
My team of toughness has served me well in the past. The problem is, I have only had two opponents, so I can't say just how good or bad my team is. If you have the time, please rate my team. I've gathered this group of heroes through Sapphire, Leaf Green, and now Emerald. Each one is level 100, and has been raised to the best of my abilities. Another note of interest, my friends and I made a pact to never use any legendaries. Keep that in mind as you rate!

Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Bashful
Item: Magnet
Thunderbolt
Crunch
Iron Tail
Thunder (want to change, but can't think of anything)

Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Black Glasses
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Brick Break

Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Megahorn
Brick Break

Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Lax
Item: Mystic Water
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Toxic
Surf

Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Rain Dish]
Nature: Naughty
Item: Miracle Seed
Surf
Ice Beam
Giga Drain
Solar Beam (Want to change, but again, I can't think of anything.)

Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lax
Item: Charcoal
Flamethrower
Rock Tomb
Sky Uppercut
Earthquake

Each of these Pokemon were hand-raised (No Rare Candies here) by me, and have been taught the best moves I could think of. Comments and suggestions will be happily noted.

Espy Psyche July 5th, 2005 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
My team of toughness has served me well in the past. The problem is, I have only had two opponents, so I can't say just how good or bad my team is. If you have the time, please rate my team. I've gathered this group of heroes through Sapphire, Leaf Green, and now Emblem. Each one is level 100, and has been raised to the best of my abilities. Another note of interest, my friends and I made a pact to never use any legendaries. Keep that in mind as you rate!

Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Bashful Lonely
Item: Magnet Metal Coat
Thunderbolt
Crunch
Iron Tail
Thunder (want to change, but can't think of anything) T Wave if possible

Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant Lonely/Naughty
Item: Black Glasses Scope Lens
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Brick Break

Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Double-Edge Rock Slide
Earthquake
Megahorn
Brick Break

Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Lax
Item: Mystic Water
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Toxic
Surf
Never seen a Toxisweeper Swampert, but it works

Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Rain Dish]
Nature: Naughty Modest
Item: Miracle Seed NMI
Surf
Ice Beam
Giga Drain
Solar Beam (Want to change, but again, I can't think of anything.) Rain Dance

Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lax ok but an ATK/SA boost is better
Item: Charcoal
Flamethrower Blaze Kick
Rock Tomb AA
Sky Uppercut
Earthquake

Each of these Pokemon were hand-raised (No Rare Candies here) by me, and have been taught the best moves I could think of. Comments and suggestions will be happily noted.

Suggestions in Bold. Blaziken moveset works--I use it.

MasterWGS July 5th, 2005 1:03 PM

I'm just curious, but why Blaze Kick over Flamethrower? Flamethrower is plenty accurate, and has a nice power. Isn't Blaze Kick a little weaker?

Darkbolt July 5th, 2005 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
My team of toughness has served me well in the past. The problem is, I have only had two opponents, so I can't say just how good or bad my team is. If you have the time, please rate my team. I've gathered this group of heroes through Sapphire, Leaf Green, and now Emerald. Each one is level 100, and has been raised to the best of my abilities. Another note of interest, my friends and I made a pact to never use any legendaries. Keep that in mind as you rate!

Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Bashful
Item: Leftovers
Thunderbolt
Crunch
Substitute
Thunder wave

Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Crunch/Taunt
Earthquake
Dragon dance
Rock slide


Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Choice band
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Megahorn
Rock blast

Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Lax
Item: Leftovers
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Rest
Surf

Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Rain Dish]
Nature: Naughty
Item: Leftovers
Surf
Ice Beam
Rain dance
Leech seed


Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lax
Item: LEftovers
Flamethrower/Overheat
Swords dance
Sky Uppercut
Earthquake/Rock slide

Each of these Pokemon were hand-raised (No Rare Candies here) by me, and have been taught the best moves I could think of. Comments and suggestions will be happily noted.

That's my advice hope it helps

Alter Ego July 5th, 2005 1:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
I'm just curious, but why Blaze Kick over Flamethrower? Flamethrower is plenty accurate, and has a nice power. Isn't Blaze Kick a little weaker?

It's a matter of taste. Flamethrower trumps Blaze Kick in Power (by 10) and Accuracy (By 15, I think) and has the added advantage of being a ranged attack (i.e. Static, Poison Point etc. have no effect) but Blaze Kick has a high critical hit ratio and (I think) a higher burn ratio. Rain Dance is a must for Ludicolo since it allows it to use it's special ability (In this case, recover 1/16 of maximum HP each turn) and grants it an adittional edge against fire types. I prefer Swift Swimmers for my Ludicolos (+10% Speed in rain) but I doubt that you're going to raise a new one at this point. I'd suggest giving it Leftovers to maximize it's HP recovering capability.

For Blaziken I'd say Earthquake is Pretty unnecessary since Sky Uppercut takes care of Rock types and Rock Tomb (Might be a good idea to replace it with Rock Slide by the way) takes care of Fire types (Electrics aren't that much of a hazard imo), try putting in a support move like Substitute, Endure, or Focus Energy instead since all out attackers are bound to get their posteriors handed to them by counter attackers (E.g. Wobbuffet).

For Manectric I'd suggest trying this:

Item: Leftovers/Shell Bell
Crunch
Hidden Power [Water]
Thunder (It gets 100% accuracy when it rains)
Rain Dance (Boosts Hidden Power's damage and Thunder's Accuracy)

Or for a less weather dependent one:

Item: Leftovers/Shell Bell

Crunch
Hidden Power [Water/Grass/Ice]
Thunderbolt
Attract/Thunder Wave

The hidden power type of a Pokémon is randomly decided (I think), so save before testing. Generally, I'd suggest steering away from physical (Normal, Rock, Ground, Steel, Ghost, Fighting, or Flying type) attacks with Mantectric since its Sp. Attack is far supperior to its Attack.

For Rhydon, maybe:

Item: King's Rock/Focus Band
Double Edge (To make use of its Special Ability)
Rock Slide (STAB Damage and Flinching)
Earthquake (STAB again, also complements the other moves nicely)
Counter (For massive returned damage against Earthquakers and the like)

For Svampert I'd prefer to have Mirror Coat instead of Toxic, but it's an egg move so I'd say leave Svampert as it is.

And finally Tyranitar:

Item:Scope Lens/Leftovers
Earthquake (Steel types are a potential hazard)
Aerial Ace/Hidden Power [Flying] (To counter fighting types)
Rock Slide (STAB, good against fliers)
Thunder Wave

Dragon Dance would be a better choice for the last move but it can only be gained through breeding. Generally, I'd say that it's a good idea to keep at least one move that doesn't do direct damage in each moveset so you won't get svamped by counter attackers.

§ Bleep § July 5th, 2005 4:20 PM

Quote:

Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Black Glasses
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Brick Break
consider dragon dance over crunch, and you need rockslide over brick break.

also boah could be useful

[email protected]
sub
bolt
FP
crunch

Darkbolt July 5th, 2005 4:38 PM

Boah it's good but it needs perfect IVs to work

husk1442 July 5th, 2005 5:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alter Ego
I prefer Swift Swimmers for my Ludicolos (+10% Speed in rain)

swift swim is 2x your speed in rain

Mullet July 5th, 2005 5:18 PM

Fixes in bold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
My team of toughness has served me well in the past. The problem is, I have only had two opponents, so I can't say just how good or bad my team is. If you have the time, please rate my team. I've gathered this group of heroes through Sapphire, Leaf Green, and now Emerald. Each one is level 100, and has been raised to the best of my abilities. Another note of interest, my friends and I made a pact to never use any legendaries. Keep that in mind as you rate!

Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Timid/Modest
Item: Petaya Berry/Salac Berry
Thunderbolt
Crunch
Substitute
HP [Grass]


Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Lefties
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Substitute
Rock Slide

Since you it has an Adamant nature, I gave you the DD Tar set.

Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Megahorn
Rock Slide/Rock Blast (Sub breaker)

Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Sassy
Item: Lefties
Ice Beam/Rock Slide
Earthquake
Curse
Surf

Cursepert

Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Swift Swim]
Nature: Modest/Timid
Item: Leftovers
Surf
Rain Dance
Giga Drain/Ice Beam
Leech Seed

Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lonely
Item: Liechi Berry
Overheat
Rock Slide
Swords Dance

Earthquake

Or:

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Nature: Adamant/Lonely (if using Overheat)
Substitute
Reversal
Earthquake
Rock Slide/Overheat


Each of these Pokemon were hand-raised (No Rare Candies here) by me, and have been taught the best moves I could think of. Comments and suggestions will be happily noted.

Alter Ego:

Flamethrower:
Accuracy:100 Power:95 PP:10

Blazekick:
Accuracy:90 Power:85 PP:10, High Critical hit ratio

Hope this helps!
:D

MasterWGS July 5th, 2005 5:31 PM

Most of these things I'm sure are nice, but I really don't want to raise an entirely new one of a Pokemon for its nature and such. If I have the time (very rainy day or something.), I probably will search for/raise Pokemon with those natures. The moves, however, I will take heed of. A lot of my team have movesets I'm not too impressed with.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm really appreciating all of your guys' help. Maybe now I'll be able to get a symbol in the Battle Frontier.

Kijin July 5th, 2005 5:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Bashful
Item: Magnet
Thunderbolt
Crunch
Iron Tail
Thunder (want to change, but can't think of anything)

IMO, needs more Magneton.
Crunch
TB
TW
HP Ice/Grass
BTW- type-boosting moves are hella lame. Lefties, King's Rock, Shell Bell>magnet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Black Glasses
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Brick Break

DD Tar>BOAH esp. w/ Adamant.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Megahorn
Brick Break

Brick Break needs to be Rock Slide/Blast (blast breaks subs, slide has better accuracy... take your pick) since you already have all the types BB would be SE against... except normal types. Earthquake already does the same base damage to Normal types. Keep DE for anything that resists the lot of moves you have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Lax
Item: Mystic Water
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Toxic
Surf

Needs Lefties to make it survive more well.


Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Rain Dish]
Nature: Naughty
Item: Miracle Seed
Surf
Ice Beam
Giga Drain
Solar Beam (Want to change, but again, I can't think of anything.)[/quote]
SB=Rain Dance
GD=Leech Seed
Miracle Seed=Lefties

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lax
Item: Charcoal
Flamethrower
Rock Tomb
Sky Uppercut
Earthquake

Rock Tomb=Rock Slide
FT=Overheat... use against high Def guys, physical resistant guys, or as a semi-explosion.
You can also add Swords Dance or Endure/Reversal somewhere in there.

Some of your natures are pretty bad... Eg: Lax. Your hold items can be changed to anything that isn't what they are now... Lefties, stat-berries, Shell Bell, Choice Band (nods at blaziken), maybe even a scope lens or king's rock would do.

MasterWGS July 5th, 2005 5:55 PM

I'm just curious, what does BOAH stand for? (I'm reeaally new here, so you'll have to dumb that one down for me.)

§ Bleep § July 5th, 2005 6:09 PM

really i don't know, i think chaos and jumpman just made up that name, and it stuck :)

MasterWGS July 5th, 2005 6:11 PM

Okay, so what does it mean, exactly? I need to know what you guys are suggesting, after all! :D

Mullet July 5th, 2005 6:17 PM

It's just a name that Chaos and Jumpman came up with. Boahtar is a T-tar that can cover it's weaknesses.:D

MasterWGS July 5th, 2005 6:22 PM

Okay. Now I feel better. Just wanted to know.

Mullet July 5th, 2005 6:48 PM

That's good. Bleep posted the set earlier in the thread, he include EVs or nature, I forgot them though so meh. It has to have 31 IVs in all stats to work perfectly though.:dead:

CipherDakim12 July 6th, 2005 3:47 PM

Great moves!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant

Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Bashful
Item: Magnet
Thunderbolt
Crunch
Iron Tail
Thunder (want to change, but can't think of anything) Its ok for now

Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Black Glasses
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower Rock Slide
Brick Break

Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Megahorn
Brick Break Replace either Brick Break or Megahorn with Rock Slide

Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Lax
Item: Mystic Water
Ice Beam
Earthquake
Toxic Endeavor
Surf

Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Rain Dish]
Nature: Naughty
Item: Miracle Seed
Surf
Ice Beam
Giga Drain
Solar Beam (Want to change, but again, I can't think of anything.)

Great! The exact same moves my Ludicolo knows!

Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lax
Item: Charcoal
Flamethrower
Rock Tomb Replace with either Fire Blast, Brick Break, or Blaze Kick
Sky Uppercut
Earthquake

Overall, I would rate it a 8/10. Its a good set of moves, but probably a team I wouldn't choose.

But still, its amazing!

Rubberbandman July 7th, 2005 6:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grant
My team of toughness has served me well in the past. The problem is, I have only had two opponents, so I can't say just how good or bad my team is. If you have the time, please rate my team. I've gathered this group of heroes through Sapphire, Leaf Green, and now Emerald. Each one is level 100, and has been raised to the best of my abilities. Another note of interest, my friends and I made a pact to never use any legendaries. Keep that in mind as you rate!

Manectric (Sparky) [Ability: Static]
Nature: Bashful
Item: Lefties/Peyata
Thunderbolt
Crunch
HP [Grass/Water]
T-wave

Tyranitar (Doom) [Ability: Sand Stream]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Lefties/Liechi Berry
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Brick Break

Rhydon (Tank) [Ability: Rock Head]
Nature: Adamant
Item: Leftovers/Liechi Berry
Double-Edge
Earthquake
Megahorn
Brick Break

Swampert (Neptune) [Ability: Torrent]
Nature: Lax
Item: Lefties
Ice Beam
Earthquake
ToxicCurse,a classic for a swampert
Surf

Ludicolo (Lilly) [Ability: Rain Dish]
Nature: Naughty
Item: Lefties
Surf
Ice Beam
Giga Drain
Rain dance

Blaziken (Fire Star) [Ability: Blaze]
Nature: Lax
Item: Liechi Berry/Salac(salac if you got problems with being outsped)
Flamethrower
Rock Slide
Sky Uppercut
Earthquake

Each of these Pokemon were hand-raised (No Rare Candies here) by me, and have been taught the best moves I could think of. Comments and suggestions will be happily noted.

Thats about all,that should help since it seems like no one but me uses the berries anymore


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