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Nah November 3rd, 2020 5:14 AM

The 2020 U.S. Election (Biden wins)
 
Today's the day.

The main focus is obviously the presidency, but other things are on the ballot too, like seats in both houses of Congress and local stuff. Normally we more or less know who the winner is early the next day, but that's likely not going to happen this year, so we may be in for a long few days (or even longer).

Sheep November 3rd, 2020 6:17 AM

My mom has to work in the office on Tuesdays and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a bit concerned. Stay safe all!

ZeoStar November 3rd, 2020 1:05 PM

I'm dreading the aftermath. The last thing needed this year is more violence.

Caite-chan November 3rd, 2020 2:23 PM

I just want this shit to be over with because I'm tired of hearing about it.

Dusk November 3rd, 2020 2:53 PM

Regardless of the outcome I doubt it will be "over" any time soon...

Nah November 4th, 2020 4:38 AM

The current situation: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

Looking very close right now

Kanzler November 4th, 2020 2:01 PM

Biden probably wins by the end of the week (by which time Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania might finish counting) but Trump beat the polls.

Sothis November 4th, 2020 2:53 PM

Biden could win the most votes but Trump may just Actually Win because of the electoral college or whatever. Where is that a democracy?

Hermione Granger November 4th, 2020 7:15 PM

I think Biden is gonna win the election with how things look. Dems will keep the house, and the republicans possibly will keep the Senate. I have voted, but I really don't trust our government.

Caite-chan November 5th, 2020 2:04 AM

I'm just tired of all the Trump shit and him doing all the crap he's doing to stop counting and then filling lawsuits. Like dude you sucked as President as much as you sucked as a businessman. We get it no 9ne wants to lose but he's just acting like a childish joke.

Sothis November 5th, 2020 3:38 AM

I hate that it's so close. Trump really does have a cult of personality because he's been absolute shit as president and has done nothing about COVID.

VisionofMilotic November 5th, 2020 5:31 AM

So I am looking at the electoral map. If Biden takes Nevada he will squeak by with exactly the 270 number of the electoral college required to be declared president, . Could Trump end up taking that state instead? Yes. It's not impossible. When I looked at the map this morning Biden had 49.33% to Trump's 48.69% with counting at just 75% of the vote. I don't normally link to Fox news, but the numbers and diagram of the regions I found very helpful to give me the full picture.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

If Biden fails to win Nevada, then I think Trump will be re-elected, even though Biden has more of the electoral college and popular vote at this moment, because Nevada is the last state still reporting where Biden is showing a lead. The rest of the states on the map all are leaning in Trump's direction and have a larger amount of the vote already counted. If Trump was able to hold onto Nevada then this is what is leftover of the key states Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina.

Trump leads in Pennsylvania, 50.72% to Biden's 48.13 with 89% of the vote counted. In Georgia Trump leads 49.57 with Biden at 49.20, and 98% of the vote counted at the time of writing. North Carolina has Trump at 50.09%, Biden 48.69% with 94% of the vote reported.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy night.

Ivysaur November 6th, 2020 7:30 AM

Congrats to president Biden. As I said yesterday...

https://twitter.com/wentles/status/1324488137339506688

VisionofMilotic November 6th, 2020 8:09 AM

What surprises me is Georgia. It's been red for decades. Even when Obama ran and galvanized the large African-American population there it still wasn't enough to turn it blue, he lost that both times in 2008 and again in 2012 and it wasn't even close. Even when it went democratic 30 years ago for Bill Clinton that was a very different circumstance than the one today because you had a genuinely competitive third party candidate in Ross Perot who carved out a double digit percentage of a conservative leaning vote.

Georgia now leaning blue by a nose with Biden at 49.40% and Trump 49.37% was a plot twist indeed.

pastelspectre November 6th, 2020 3:36 PM

I hope we find out the results soon. All this waiting makes me so anxious.

Nah November 7th, 2020 9:24 AM

Multiple news outlets have called Pennsylvania and Nevada for Biden just now (1 2 3), meaning that Joe Biden is now to be the next president of the United States.

ThatStuff!! November 7th, 2020 9:36 AM

Biden actually did it

He actually fukkn did it

omg yoooo

the nightmare has come to an end

Nah November 7th, 2020 9:58 AM

I imagine that right now a lot of people are excited or are breathing a sigh of relief. There is unfortunately nothing to be excited or relieved about though. This is not America's new dawn.

Donald Trump is/was an awful president and never should've gotten into the White House in the first place, but I think that people are too hung up on how unsubtly terrible he is. People have forgotten that the pre-Trump status quo wasn't any good either. People don't understand that we didn't get to the situation of 21st century America just because of one person or one political party. The Democrats are at worst simply the other side of the same coin that the Republicans are on, and at best too weak to stand up to them.

Biden will simply give the illusion that things are better. Biden is a career politician who knows how to play this game, he obviously knows not to behave like Trump or say things in the way that he does. We are talking about a man who has adamantly been against single-payer healthcare the entire time (and that position has been officially endorsed by the Democratic party itself). Who played his part in our student debt crisis and prison problem. Who has said on national television that "nothing will fundamentally change" in regards to the ultra-rich. Who can't even bring himself to legalize marijuana at the federal level. And so on. And the thing is, nobody is going to pressure Biden to keep his campaign promises or to pursue real progress, because for the next 4 years all that will be going through most people's heads will be something along the lines of "I'm so glad the bad orange man isn't in office anymore!!!!!". Criticisms will be met with "just shut up and be glad Trumps's not president anymore, it'd be worse if it was him".

Some people might be thinking right now that well, even if Biden's not that great, there's still all the other elections too, those are important and where things will get better, right? The problem is though is that the same issue with the presidency repeats itself in congressional elections, in state elections, in local elections.

So now people might be thinking "but it was still still important that this happened so that the country didn't implode so we can try again and do better in 2024". Try again? Ha. You know what's going to happen in 2024 and all future elections in our lifetimes? The American people will continue to reject the candidates that would really do this country the things it needs in favor of the next Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden, as they have always done. The few people who make it through into less powerful offices that are progressive and/or check off diversity boxes are simply just that--a few, and so will never have the numbers to make meaningful change in this country. Any candidates or movements that gain a lot of momentum will simply be crushed by the establishment.

The nightmare did not begin with Trump in 2016, and it will not end with Biden in 2020/2021. It swirls and churns unending, you see.

Tsutarja November 7th, 2020 3:22 PM

While I am satisfied that Trump will not be president come January 20, 2021, I am still feeling a bit down at the outcome. I've lost friends today because of our differing opinions (when I really fucking wish things can just be apolitical between us), and I have friends who I agree with politically that I don't agree with by telling off those who did vote for Trump or do not like that Biden is becoming president.

While some may say that I need to accept that they were bad friends, to put it simply--no they were not. We'd still be cool today if politics never crossed our paths at all, and we'd be hanging out without issue regardless of our difference in beliefs or who we voted for.

Kanzler November 7th, 2020 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsutarja (Post 10228375)
While I am satisfied that Trump will not be president come January 20, 2021, I am still feeling a bit down at the outcome. I've lost friends today because of our differing opinions (when I really fucking wish things can just be apolitical between us), and I have friends who I agree with politically that I don't agree with by telling off those who did vote for Trump or do not like that Biden is becoming president.

While some may say that I need to accept that they were bad friends, to put it simply--no they were not. We'd still be cool today if politics never crossed our paths at all, and we'd be hanging out without issue regardless of our difference in beliefs or who we voted for.

Honestly, a lot of Trump supporters don't have the same priorities or perceptions as the rest of the population. A lot of people got radicalized in their social media bubble over the last four years. I don't think it's fair to blame your falling out on politics, because there has been political differences in America for hundreds of years. The era of Trump and Trumpist conservatism is something new.

colours November 7th, 2020 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nah (Post 10228291)
post here

look, i respect however you want to view this election. whether you want to see it as a nightmare finally being over, or whether in your case apparently, that the abyss is bottomless and we're destined and fated to fall down it forever anyway, such is how humanity is destined to be.

but for people like me, there is a tiny light. is joe biden a career politician? of course he is, i'm not (and i doubt many of his voters are) naive enough to believe that he can fix things with a snap of a finger. but fuck man, do you know a single thing about the world i and the people like me lived in the past four years? where i was terrified of police because of my skin colour, and the police felt more empowered than ever before to stop people like me for little reason and they get away with their shit because the President of the United States enables them? where his supporters grow ever violent and face no real repercussions because the President is a bully himself that doesn't give a single damn about people like me? i lived in a world where people who share my identity and my orientation are having their rights stripped away gleefully by the GOP? we're not people to them, we never have been.

but it seems you don't realize this or are, with all due respect, ignorant to it. your post reeks of utter hopelessness, regardless of the shred of truth it contains. yes, the word "politician" might as well be synonymous with "lying shill" for all we know, but if these past four years have proven anything, whoever we put into the white house has the ultimate ability to shape people's lives for generations to come. i hope you yourself are aware of this because, unless you've been completely outside the loop, donald fucking trump filled three supreme court vacancies, therefore nearly ensuring that all meaningful progressive progress is going to get heavily scrutinized if not halted for at the very least the next generation or so. but even the odds seem absolutely insurmountable, it's still offensive reading this post and getting the vibe that we should just stop bothering to fight, stop bothering to live, stop bothering to make it day to day because politicians, at the end of the day, will be politicians, so what's the point of literally anything anymore?

for me, this election result was a sigh of relief, because although there is a very long road ahead, at least i don't have to fear traveling down that road so much, anymore. where we can start working on a world where we can hopefully make some sort of progress on climate change, some sort of progress on lgbtq+ rights, some sort of progress as far as racial justice goes, some sort of progress as far as the economy goes, some sort of progress as far as healthcare goes. you may call me a bit rosey eyed, but i'd rather have a tiny bit of optimism what the future may hold than wallow in pessimism and cynicism.

i apologise if this post was a bit charged, but this election was very personal for me. i consider myself fortunate that i live in a relatively blue city and as such have not encountered the situations that others similar to me do. you may think this is inconsequential and insignificant, and you're free to continue thinking that, but for people like me, this was a difference, albeit a small one, and that's what matters.

MarinaSpeaks November 7th, 2020 8:18 PM

For me, as someone who almost lost close family members due to the virus. That has been my top priority going into this election, and Trump's pandemic response has been completely inexcusable to me. As for other policies, I think Biden beats Trump on just about everything? From social justice causes, to environment, health care, criminal justice reform, education, immigration, and yes even economy, I think Biden's the better choice and I could easily explain why for each of these categories. So even though Biden wasn't my first choice, and I am fully aware that he doesn't have the best record, this is a pretty big win for me. But to those who feel the same, remember that this fight is FAR from over with covid cases at record highs and a very likely GOP controlled senate. D:

This is one step in the right direction though and I'm definitely pretty happy even with little baby steps forward! :0

Also I would also recommend some of you to read Biden's pandemic response plan. It's actually super detailed! https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/

Kanzler November 7th, 2020 9:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colours (Post 10228409)
look, i respect however you want to view this election. whether you want to see it as a nightmare finally being over, or whether in your case apparently, that the abyss is bottomless and we're destined and fated to fall down it forever anyway, such is how humanity is destined to be.

but for people like me, there is a tiny light. is joe biden a career politician? of course he is, i'm not (and i doubt many of his voters are) naive enough to believe that he can fix things with a snap of a finger. but fuck man, do you know a single thing about the world i and the people like me lived in the past four years? where i was terrified of police because of my skin colour, and the police felt more empowered than ever before to stop people like me for little reason and they get away with their shit because the President of the United States enables them? where his supporters grow ever violent and face no real repercussions because the President is a bully himself that doesn't give a single damn about people like me? i lived in a world where people who share my identity and my orientation are having their rights stripped away gleefully by the GOP? we're not people to them, we never have been.

but it seems you don't realize this or are, with all due respect, ignorant to it. your post reeks of utter hopelessness, regardless of the shred of truth it contains. yes, the word "politician" might as well be synonymous with "lying shill" for all we know, but if these past four years have proven anything, whoever we put into the white house has the ultimate ability to shape people's lives for generations to come. i hope you yourself are aware of this because, unless you've been completely outside the loop, donald fucking trump filled three supreme court vacancies, therefore nearly ensuring that all meaningful progressive progress is going to get heavily scrutinized if not halted for at the very least the next generation or so. but even the odds seem absolutely insurmountable, it's still offensive reading this post and getting the vibe that we should just stop bothering to fight, stop bothering to live, stop bothering to make it day to day because politicians, at the end of the day, will be politicians, so what's the point of literally anything anymore?

for me, this election result was a sigh of relief, because although there is a very long road ahead, at least i don't have to fear traveling down that road so much, anymore. where we can start working on a world where we can hopefully make some sort of progress on climate change, some sort of progress on lgbtq+ rights, some sort of progress as far as racial justice goes, some sort of progress as far as the economy goes, some sort of progress as far as healthcare goes. you may call me a bit rosey eyed, but i'd rather have a tiny bit of optimism what the future may hold than wallow in pessimism and cynicism.

i apologise if this post was a bit charged, but this election was very personal for me. i consider myself fortunate that i live in a relatively blue city and as such have not encountered the situations that others similar to me do. you may think this is inconsequential and insignificant, and you're free to continue thinking that, but for people like me, this was a difference, albeit a small one, and that's what matters.

It's going to be hard to predict whatever will come out of this Presidency and both parties in the next four years, but I think the bar for Biden's expectations will be sufficiently low. Enough people will deem his presidency a success if he manages COVID better and consequently sees America through an economic recovery. And these sort of narrow expectations might be more, well, expected than not if the Democrats don't win the two Georgia Senate races and start this thing off without Senate control. To speak nothing of the GOP which has replaced some moderate Democrat House Representatives with Trumpists although the House majority is still preserved. I think enough of the conservative media organs and enough voters and politicans have hitched themselves on to Trump's bandwagon so I would expect his presence to linger. These are things that are probably further out of our control than we would like.

Anyway, pray that Democrats go two for two on January 5 2021 because we won't be talking about progress if they don't. To say nothing of success in state politics, where a lot of the powers to enforce or strip those rights you refer to are charged, where Republican forces continue to entrench themselves. But it's nice that Biden has won. There are just other pieces of the puzzle that aren't guaranteed to fall into place if we want to call this term a success in 2024.

As for what Nah said, I think you're reading too much between the lines. I think the natural conclusion to "establishment forces getting in the way of progress", which I think was her point, is for the forces of progress to take advantage and not let establishment inertia to continue to rule the day, not give up, no point in fighting, etc etc. I think speaking to the obstacles in the way of progress doesn't diminish the ideal of progress, it just highlights the very real uncertainty or fragility of progress.

To address her point further, progressives rarely get the credit they deserve at the highest level. Maybe not until we see a President Ocasio-Cortez.

Sothis November 7th, 2020 9:39 PM

Well, I just know it'll take more than 4 years to fix the damage Trump has done. The fact that a usual conservative state such as Georgia has a democrat lead should be proof enough that most people are tired of him. The amount of votes he still got though...
Also Biden doesn't have the best record himself, so I can see why people are wary.

Also, I'm worried about the fallout. We just know Trump and his alt right followers will go wild. Stay safe everyone!

colours November 7th, 2020 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanzler (Post 10228424)

As for what Nah said, I think you're reading too much between the lines. I think the natural conclusion to "establishment forces getting in the way of progress", which I think was her point, is for the forces of progress to take advantage and not let establishment inertia to continue to rule the day, not give up, no point in fighting, etc etc. I think speaking to the obstacles in the way of progress doesn't diminish the ideal of progress, it just highlights the very real uncertainty or fragility of progress.

To address her point further, progressives rarely get the credit they deserve at the highest level. Maybe not until we see a President Ocasio-Cortez.

perhaps we're interpreting it differently, because i read it as "woe is all of us, both parties are awful, no point in doing anything, history will inevitably repeat itself", which seems to diminish the hard work people have done so far to get to this point (not to mention diminish what people have gone through these past four years), hence my response. but i digress there, and i want to address your other points:

- you are right that this is not over. truth be told, i'm not terribly optimistic for democrats to hold the majority in the senate, and i'm not quite sure what this means for biden's presidency. i'd normally say he can just executive order his way and slap mconnnell in the face with it, but alas, we lost the supreme court so i'm not even sure that's an avenue worth persuing.

- as far as people's expectations of biden... i gotta say that i agree with you there. i suppose the bar is low so to speak, because we're going through quite tumultuous times. covid itself notwithstanding, there's also a great many americans that are unemployed because of the pandemic and that's something that needs to be addressed, as well. and that's to say nothing of the racial tension that has gotten significantly worse under trump. i think the expectation (more or less) is that he can get the ball rolling on getting something done at the absolute minimum. there's a lot to get done, and it'll take more than biden to solve them and even the next (hopefully) democratic president to solve the utter mess that trump created. im just happy we're starting somewhere.


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