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Palamon July 21st, 2021 10:03 AM

"Fix" a "forgotten" Pokemon
 
In this thread, your task is to "fix" a "forgotten Pokemon"/Pokemon you find underrated that you think would make it more relevant in your eyes.

MiamiHeat305 July 21st, 2021 10:56 AM

Here's how you fix the Drowzee/Hypno line. Make it not exist.

Illusioned July 21st, 2021 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat305 (Post 10384337)
Here's how you fix the Drowzee/Hypno line. Make it not exist.

You fix Hypno by making it Psychic/Dark
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Devalue July 21st, 2021 3:00 PM

Redesigned Stantler.

Appearance changes
- Girthier horns. Calls it the "Big Horn Pokemon". Own it.

- Softer eyes. Looks perturbed as-is. (Technically fits with Intimidate. Intends to drop that, however.) Seemed docile in (some of) its animations.

- A space motif. Plays on a Pokedex entry: "Staring at its antlers creates an odd sensation as if one were being drawn into their centers." Begins with a subtle, swirling effect on the black balls of its antlers. Suggests very dark brown fur with stars and a large, Saturn-like planet across its body. Morphs the white underbelly into a comet streaking towards its back.

Combat Changes
- Steps out from Tauros's shadow into its own niche. (Weighs in below all of Tauros's stats except Special Attack.) Becomes a full-fledged mixed attacker. Boasts a surprising range of physical (Jump Kick, Earthquake, Wild Charge, and Zen Headbutt), special (Thunder/Thunderbolt, Psychic/Psyshock, Shadow Ball, and Energy Ball), and other (Hypnosis, Calm Mind, Trick Room, Thunder Wave, and dual screens) moves already.

- Increases from 465 total base stat points (identical to Magneton) to 510. Plays with 45 stat points. Allocates 20 to Speed, 10 to Attack, and 15 to Special Attack. Creates new base stats of 73 Hitpoints, 105 Attack, 62 Defense, 100 Special Attack, 65 Special Defense, and 105 Speed. Ought to be more menacing.

- Drops Intimidate for a new ability: Warp Reality. Changes its physical moves to special and vice-versa. Say hello to special-based Earthquakes. Becomes much tougher to predict.

- Learns a unique move: Eight Point Impact. Strikes the target with its antlers. Applies a strange, crushing pressure upon impaling them. Types it as a Normal move. Hits for 40 power twice: once physical-based and once special-based. (Considered dropping its power slightly for a +1 boost to either Attack or Special Attack too.) Works with Sap Sipper, if you prefer that ability instead of its new one.

Corveone July 21st, 2021 6:11 PM

Let's give these two bois some love:

Ledian:

Sp. Attack: 55 >>> 70
Speed: 85 >>> 100
Total BST: 390 >>> 420

New Ability: Early Bird >>> Astral Fists (Punch moves become Special attacks and hit twice)

Ariados:

Attack: 90 >>> 100
Defense: 70 >>> 85
Sp. Attack: 60 >>> 40
Sp. Def: 70 >>> 85
Total BST: 400 >>> 420

New Ability: Swarm >>> Shadow Silk (Halves damage taken from Psychic, Ghost and Dark type moves)

Palamon July 21st, 2021 9:43 PM

Luvdisc

(An overhated Pokemon if you ask me)

First off, giving it an evolution that'll make it stand out more. Not necessarily making Luvdisc evolve into Alomamola, but any evolution would do. And maybe perhaps raising its bst to maybe 400. I'd also change its ability to Regenerator and make it more of a healer pokemon. Also change up the design a little, maybe adding a small crown motif or something so it's not just a simple sideways heart with a face.

ReKoil July 22nd, 2021 9:34 AM

I'm not sure if it's forgotten, but I always wished Vikavolt was faster. It just looks like it should be speedy to me, but is kinda bad in the Speed department.
So fix it by making it a lot faster ^.^

FeraligatrMaster July 25th, 2021 12:37 AM

I'd fix Lanturn by increasing its Special Attack and Special Defense and making it learn Life Dew.

Adam Levine July 26th, 2021 12:02 AM

I'd remove the Spearow line's Normal type, so that way they're at least a little more memorable by not having that infuriatingly common Normal/Flying typing.
Aesthetically, you know what'd be cool? Spearow and Fearow look too much like generic birds, so I think giving them more interesting designs would do them justice. Fearow learns quite a few "drill" moves, so I think it'd be pretty cool if we made the Spearow line look like drills or other construction equipment. Give them some extra black-and-yellow plumage too, why not. They'd be great partner Pokémon for Workers!
I'd give the Spearow line Brave Bird because for some reason they can't learn it. In line with how I'd redesign them, I'd also give Spearow Drill Run.
There's no reason for us to have two early-game birds, so I'd make the Spearow line more late-game, and accordingly I'd buff their stats. Add some Attack, and especially some HP, since a lot of Fearow's dex entries say it has great stamina.

I'd change the Pidove line similarly. They're just unbelievably bland, aside from Unfezant having gender differences (and even female Unfezant looks terrible). I'd make them pure Flying-types too.
Design-wise, I'd change Tranquill to look a little more colorful, and give it some gender differences as well (maybe male Tranquill have brighter plumage?). I'd make male Unfezant more like a peafowl, with cooler, showier plumage, and I'd make female Unfezant plumper and more like a turkey.
I'd give male Unfezant the ability Intimidate, as well as buff its HP a bit, and I'd give female Unfezant a lot more bulk in exchange for Attack and Speed. That way, we bascically have two unique Pokémon for the price of one!

Patrat and Watchog need some changes too, especially since Lillipup is another early-game Normal-type. Let's make them Normal/Psychic. Let's give them Psychic-type moves, better Special Attack, and Dazzling too, for the heck of it.

Something that's bothered me about Generation V's Pokémon is how strangely some types are represented. For example, all the (non-Legendary) Psychic-types are either pure Psychic or Psychic/Flying. So let's make the Elgyem line Ghost/Psychic. We kinda have too many pure Psychic-types as it stands.

Goldeen is...certainly a Pokémon. Why does it exist when we already have Magikarp as our ubiquitous Water-type? Goldeen evolves at a later level than Magikarp, and yet Seaking is still a terrible Pokémon; really the only thing it does to stand out is have Lightning Rod as an ability. Let's give Seaking a cooler horn and boost its Attack and Speed a bunch, why not. Let's give it Electric attacks too.

Bruxish is an often forgotten one, but I hate its design so much that that's pretty much the only thing I'd change about it. Why does it have fangs? If it can chew through shells, it shouldn't have fangs; give it a beak. Guess we'll have to change "Psychic Fangs" to "Psychic Crunch" or something. Beak aside, I still really dislike its design. So you know what? Let's make it monochrome and give it actual dazzle camouflage. Let's make it look a bit more like a submarine too, why not. Maybe its current color scheme could be used for its Shiny form then, or for some laughs we can make its Shiny form yellow for a Beatles reference.

Oh yeah, Wormadam and Mothim exist. Give Wormadam better bulk and make Mothim a better sweeper, I guess.

Tropius is one of my favorite Pokémon, and it's a shame not many people care about it, and that its stats are horrid. Its highest stat is 99 in HP, and it's very slow for a Flying-type. I'd give it better stats all around, especially because you'd think a sauropod would be able to dish out some damage and take it. It gets freakin' Dragon Dance, so it'd be nice if it could actually use it.

ZeoStar July 28th, 2021 12:14 PM

I would give Butterfree Spore, being a step up from Sleep Power. It can already learn Quiver Dance so this could give it an easier time boosting stats without the worry of missing.

Also it's special defense stat is 80, so it's HP stat and defense stat would be pushed to 80. It's just too frail.

Corveone July 29th, 2021 5:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeoStar (Post 10386875)
I would give Butterfree Spore, being a step up from Sleep Power. It can already learn Quiver Dance so this could give it an easier time boosting stats without the worry of missing.

It pretty much already has that. Compound Eyes + Sleep Powder: 97,5 accuracy. Even better with the fact that it can now learn Hurricane.

ZeoStar July 29th, 2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Corveone (Post 10387050)
It pretty much already has that. Compound Eyes + Sleep Powder: 97,5 accuracy. Even better with the fact that it can now learn Hurricane.

Tinted Lens is still the better ability, and with spore there wouldn't be the need to choose between the two anymore. Unless you really just want hurricane, but even with compound eyes still has a chance of missing.

BoulderSmolder July 31st, 2021 5:04 PM

Dewgong suuuuuuuucks. It evolves way too late for how weak it is, is always worse than the other Ice types you have available, has a forgettable design, etc. It needs a complete overhaul.

Visually, make the fins way bigger and more flowy. Add a subtle rainbow of colors to the fins, like the auroras Dewgong is associated with. Increase the size of the horn and make it multicolored too to stand out from the pure white body. Make Dewgong feel more grandiose in general.

Statistically, Dewgong has always been completely outclassed by Lapras and Walrein. Both of those rely on high HP and bulk at the cost of being slightly slower, so I feel to stand out Dewgong should be faster and more offensive. Shave off 30 points from defense (Dewgong is pretty frail-looking). Toss 30 on speed, 25 on special attack.

So we go from:

90/70/80/70/95/70 (Total of 475)

to

90/70/50/95/95/100 (Total of 500)

Replace Ice Body with Slush Rush. It makes sense for a pinniped to speed along the ice, and it gives Dewgong a new niche as a hail sweeper. To go with the whole Hail theme, add Aurora Veil to Dewgong's move pool.

There, Dewgong now has an actual point to its existence. It's not even close to overpowered or "meta", but it's now much more exciting.

pinkiswin August 2nd, 2021 12:04 AM

Bellsprout should have a dusk stone evolution that is high attack, and is poison/dark, but with access to all grass moves, with leaf blade, crunch, and brutal swing and level up moves,

Geewithabee August 4th, 2021 3:01 PM

Redistribute Ursaring's base stats.

HP 90
ATK 130
DEF 75
SPATK 75
SPDEF 75
SPD 55

would become

HP 100
ATK 130
DEF 100
SPATK 40
SPDEF 100
SPD 30.

BST would still be 500. And then replace one of its Abilities, whichever one you like, with Tough Claws. Now he's an absolute unit.

Geewithabee August 4th, 2021 7:26 PM

Oohhh, he'd definitely be a permanent staple of my team for every game, ever, if I could change him like that. In the rare case that I couldn't bring him to the next game through some kind of service like Pokemon Bank or Pokemon Home, you can bet that my first order of business would be finding out how quickly I can catch a new one in the next game.

FeraligatrMaster August 7th, 2021 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pinkiswin (Post 10388331)
Bellsprout should have a dusk stone evolution that is high attack, and is poison/dark, but with access to all grass moves, with leaf blade, crunch, and brutal swing and level up moves,

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What if that new evolution you want looked like this?

pinkiswin August 14th, 2021 10:51 AM

Nice work! , yeah it definitely should look like that, but I think most future Pokemon will not draw from the spaceworld sprites, now that they were leaked,and everyone knows what they looked like.

colours December 18th, 2021 12:21 PM

make ariados evolve into an even bigger and menacing spider

Fairy December 20th, 2021 7:59 PM

Not really forgotten.. I think I would just make a bunch of Gen I Pokémon different.

Like Seel not being just a seel. Same with Dewgong. Grimer and Muk go into this category too.

Sheep January 30th, 2022 10:01 PM

Swap Jumpluff's Sp. Def with its Sp. Att, which makes its Sp. Att go from 55 > 95 and Sp. Def go from 95 > 55. Yes, it will die to any ice move in the world, but at least it'll be more usable in-game and not hit like a feather. I would love to use my shiny one more often! Stalling with powders/Leech Seed/Synthesis is nice, but when it comes to going through a main series's story, it's just a little....too slow and inefficient compared to using better-statted Pokémon to attack.

Amore February 2nd, 2022 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devalue (Post 10384418)
Redesigned Stantler.

- Drops Intimidate for a new ability: Warp Reality. Changes its physical moves to special and vice-versa. Say hello to special-based Earthquakes. Becomes much tougher to predict.

Given how much I played FRLG through HGSS I thought I had the first 493 committed to memory, but I had completely forgotten Stantler! I'm playing Black 2 with a Sawsbuck thinking "oh, amazing how long it took them to make a deer pokémon!". That ability is awesome. A Normal-type able to swat aside physically strong Rock-types is cool.

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Originally Posted by Palamon (Post 10384499)
Luvdisc

(An overhated Pokemon if you ask me)

First off, giving it an evolution that'll make it stand out more. Not necessarily making Luvdisc evolve into Alomamola, but any evolution would do. And maybe perhaps raising its bst to maybe 400. I'd also change its ability to Regenerator and make it more of a healer pokemon. Also change up the design a little, maybe adding a small crown motif or something so it's not just a simple sideways heart with a face.

Leave the appearance, some animals do look quite simple. But it definitely needs better stats, I'd up it to 470 BST just like Alomomola, but then have it be a weird counterpart. Perhaps like this:

HP - 49
Atk - 30
Def - 100
SpA - 40
SpD - 100
Spe - 151

So now in the Rain its just...insanely fast. A rough estimation is that in the Rain with max. investment it would speed tie a +2 Deoxys-S. It could still take a hit too (my logic is its a very thin disc, if it turns the other cheek blows skim the surface), but is let down by its HP. Can't hurt anything either. But in Doubles its Heal Pulse would be like using a fighter jet as an ambulance. Regenerator as a secondary or hidden ability is a cool idea, I'll give credit there.

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Originally Posted by Adam Levine (Post 10385874)
Tropius is one of my favorite Pokémon, and it's a shame not many people care about it, and that its stats are horrid. Its highest stat is 99 in HP, and it's very slow for a Flying-type. I'd give it better stats all around, especially because you'd think a sauropod would be able to dish out some damage and take it. It gets freakin' Dragon Dance, so it'd be nice if it could actually use it.

Yeah I always thought the pokémon based on some of the heaviest creatures to ever exist should have the most painful Stomp around. Keep the low Speed though - I always assumed it referred to acceleration, hence something like Accelgor or Ninjask being insanely speedy yet Dragonite having pokédex entries referring to it breaking the sound barrier travelling the world.

Hypothetically, I'd drop a bit off Speed, and put it up to 514 BST:
HP - 99
Atk - 105
Def - 83
SpA - 95
SpD - 87
Spe - 45

So now its a tank, but in the Sun it can cause some nasty surprises.

EDIT:

Tropius got me thinking of another favourite from Route 119: Castform.

Great design, fun gimmick, solid movepool...just sucky stats. I'd bump it up to have 90 for each stat. Still underpowered, still a gimmick, but one that can occasionally take down the big guys.

Cosmega February 8th, 2022 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Amore (Post 10465656)
Tropius got me thinking of another favourite from Route 119: Castform.

Great design, fun gimmick, solid movepool...just sucky stats. I'd bump it up to have 90 for each stat. Still underpowered, still a gimmick, but one that can occasionally take down the big guys.

How to fix Castform: give it better stats and a Sandstorm form. It just needs one

Cosmega February 8th, 2022 9:59 AM

Also, idk if this Pokémon is forgotten, but, I really like Dunsparce. I think a way to fix it it’s giving it an evolution.

Rengoku February 10th, 2022 1:19 PM

Get Lickilicky into non-existent will be the best fix - The speaking human-turned Lickilicky in anime turned into my nightmare till date.

Amore February 11th, 2022 5:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmega (Post 10467910)
How to fix Castform: give it better stats and a Sandstorm form. It just needs one

Oh yeah, completely forgot it doesn’t have one. Bizarre, given the Weather Institute is so close to a desert with regular sandstorms.

vanlisur March 21st, 2022 9:57 PM

It would be awesome if you could link up with your friend and play in the same region. So gym leaders would do double battles with you. Thought it would be cool I'm Emerald but it never happened

Rock_Salazar January 16th, 2023 12:25 PM

Chatot is a pokemon I deem forgotten and it had the "chatter" gimmick. I would like to see it have better stats and have a better movelist. Maybe make it more music themed like have grass whistle or a new evolution. I might have more thoughts later on to add.

Dastr95 January 16th, 2023 2:07 PM

There's not a single Pokémon I dislike for any reason other than design, I appreciate that there's variety in strength and viability. That makes it possible to decide what kind of difficulty you're up for.
If I had to change a thing about a forgotten Pokémon, I would make Mantine a more common Pokémon in the main games. I would use Mantine a lot more often if it was easier to find.

CoolKid575 January 17th, 2023 6:30 PM

I 100% agree. There's also the fact that if every Pokemon was super good, truly strong Pokemon wouldn't be special anymore. Why would you go through the effort of catching a legendary or painstakingly raising a pseudo if any old Bidoof or Pidgey off the street is just as good? Like that dude from The Incredibles said (can't remember his name lol) "if everyone has superpowers, nobody does". Weak Pokemon need to exist to make the strong ones stand out in comparison.


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