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GodofPH August 3rd, 2005 5:51 PM

G/S/C Rival=Giovanni's Kid?
 
In FR/LG, on the rocket warehouse on 5 Island, a scientist mentions that Giovanni's kid has red hair. I know that any person in the pokeverse who has red hair can be Gio's kid, but the GSC Rival has red-hair and he has rocket-like tendencys. The GSC Rival often wanted to defeat Team Rocket, was that because he had a bad childhood? Or perhaps by defeating them, he could find out the whereabouts of his father, who was in secret training during G/S/C. What do you think of my theory?

Squeegee Beckenheim August 3rd, 2005 5:56 PM

Very interesting theory. I think you are on to something. There very well may be a connection.

GodofPH August 3rd, 2005 6:11 PM

^ Thanks, the thought had occurred to me almost instantly after talking to that scientist in FR.

Timbjerr August 3rd, 2005 6:16 PM

I've heard this before, and I'll say now what I said then:

This is a brilliant theory!!!

jc_rcw August 3rd, 2005 6:18 PM

it has a pretty good base it might be true,and nintendo made it on purpose???

Timbjerr August 3rd, 2005 8:03 PM

not Nintendo...Game Freak has more control over the storyline of pokémon games...I hate having to clarify that repeatedly...

SRV August 4th, 2005 4:24 PM

Who cares who the G/S/C rival is. You must have a lot of time on your hands trying to come up with some bogus stuff like that lol.

kohei August 4th, 2005 10:18 PM

But the scientist only says Giovanni has a red haired kid.
It can be anybody with red hair.

But even after saying this, I think your theory can be possible... the G/S/C rivals motives for stealing the Pokemon from the lab is still unknown.

Fury of Ninetales August 5th, 2005 7:20 AM

i've seen this type of thread on another forum site (pokemon UK to be exact) and i have another theory for giovanni's son: Lance. It sounds farfetch'd (LOL) but in G/S/C, Lance was fighting TR with you at Mahogany town. He might have saw his father's evil ways and decided to go onto the side of good. I know other famous people have fought TR as well like Lorelei, but this is my crazy idea.

Smarties-chan August 7th, 2005 7:15 AM

Yeah I heard this theory on other forums too and spoony (as I call the rival in G/S/C) is definitely giovanni's son.

Signomi August 8th, 2005 10:12 AM

Well. In the Manga, Giovanni's son is indeed the red haired rival in G/S/C. So I think that refers to this aswell

Zangooser August 8th, 2005 10:39 AM

Lance?
 
Theory #1
Lance could have been abandon as a child because of Giovanni.......

Theory #2
Giovanni could have left Lance and his mother for Team Rocket

Theory #3
Lance is Giovanni's long lost son!

This sound's like another Star Wars movie..........

Dizzy August 8th, 2005 11:58 AM

Would you believe I've never heard any of that, but I'm definately in love with all the theories. I couldn't have come up with that if I wanted to, but yes, these are great theories.

Edit: About Rival being Giovanni's kid I meant.

Chiru August 9th, 2005 5:15 PM

I think you may be on to something. If it were just any old person with red hair, the game designers probably wouldn't have made that person be so specific; they probably would have just said 'Giovanni has a kid' or something like that. Maybe not even said it at all. And if Silver/Kamon is Giovanni's son in the manga, chances are they're touching upon it in the game as well.

If they ever do a remake of GSC (which I think is unlikely at this point but I'm still hoping for it) I hope they touch upon this even more. I guess that probably has something to do with the fact that he's my favorite rival character, though XD.

Zangooser August 11th, 2005 11:36 AM

Lance would really hate Giovanni for Theory #2
He might take over Team Rocket and use it for good....
For him to take over Team Rocket he must battle Giovanni....
Man, Giovanni in for big trouble!

Charizard_Fire_God August 15th, 2005 3:33 AM

Hmm, tch, yar rival in G/S/C does say something 'bout fighting Lance an' losing ta him in that underground HQ in Mahogany, but he doesn't seem like he's supportin' tha Rockets ta me. o_O

MurkrowLover August 15th, 2005 3:54 AM

Quote:

Well. In the Manga, Giovanni's son is indeed the red haired rival in G/S/C. So I think that refers to this aswell
Guys theres no-more thery....Thats the answer.

Claire August 15th, 2005 4:21 PM

This belongs in the colour games discussion :3
*moves*

shadow909 August 24th, 2005 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zangooser
Lance would really hate Giovanni for Theory #2
He might take over Team Rocket and use it for good....
For him to take over Team Rocket he must battle Giovanni....
Man, Giovanni in for big trouble!

actully i kanda agree with those theory cause i saw an episode when lance was in a team rocket to spy on team rockets. so probably he knows giovani is his fATHER cause why else would he know the rockets.

<...*EDIT*...> well you know what i mean.

e-MeR August 24th, 2005 9:54 PM

Well both theories seem like possible though the rival idea comes more closer to me...
Anyways whatever...

Batesymon August 24th, 2005 9:54 PM

I'm not too sure about this but this was a mighty discussion on SPPF.

A plot hole in the Rival Theory:
He hates TR.

Although this could stem off the fact his father failed because of their stupidity and what not. I'm not sure.

Signomi August 24th, 2005 9:56 PM

Once again, I shall tell you that In the Pokemon Special manga, The GSC Rival, or Silver/Kamon, is his indeed his son.

And plus Lance comes from a family devoted to the Dragon Clan, with Clair being his cousin. Would you think Giovanni has any relation? Otherwise he would use Dragon pokemon wouldn't he?

Batesymon August 25th, 2005 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Signomi
Once again, I shall tell you that In the Pokemon Special manga, The GSC Rival, or Silver/Kamon, is his indeed his son.

Uhhh... Are the games and Manga even related and the same (I'm talking about how the games and anime are completely different. Are the two the same in that context unlike the show)

Signomi August 25th, 2005 1:39 AM

Yes, from what I know, the Manga is based on the games. To prove this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wikipedia - Pokemon Manga Section - Manga released in English

* Pokémon (The Electric Tale of Pikachu a.k.a Dengeki Pikachu), a shōnen manga created by Toshihiro Ono. It was divided into four tankōbon, each with four separate titles in North American and the English Singapore versions: The Electric Tale of Pikachu, Pikachu Shocks Back, Electric Pikachu Boogaloo, and Surf's Up, Pikachu. The series is based mostly on the anime.
* Pokémon Adventures, a shōnen manga based on the video games.
* Magical Pokémon Journey (a.k.a. Pokémon: PiPiPi Adventures), a shōjo manga
* Pikachu Meets the Press (newspaper style comics, not released by Chuang Yi)
* Ash & Pikachu (a.k.a. Satoshi to Pikachu, not released by Viz)
* Pokémon Gold & Silver (not released by Viz)
* Pokémon Ruby-Sapphire and Pokémon Pocket (not released by Viz)
* Pokémon: Jirachi Wishmaker (not released by Viz)


shadow909 August 25th, 2005 10:49 AM

actully i mostly agree with theory rival from you knoqw pokemon silvr???


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