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skullmurder August 23rd, 2005 10:00 AM

starters moves
 
what are charizards, blastoise and venasaurs best moves in fr. i need moves that are not just fire and not too low pp and attacks that dont miss.

SRV August 23rd, 2005 12:01 PM

Charizard - Aerial Ace, Flamethrower, Sunny Day, Body Slam
Blastoise - Surf, Rain Dance, Blizzard, Withdraw
Venusaur - Toxic, Leech Seed, Sludge Bomb, Rest

Those probably aren't the best movesets, but they aren't that bad.

Simon August 23rd, 2005 12:34 PM

Starters aren't the best choices for Pokemon out there. A lot of others can do exactly the same thing, but better.

For competitive battling, the best one moveset out of that would be Venusaur.

[email protected] - Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 129 Def / 129 SDef
Leech Seed
Toxic
Sludge Bomb/Earthquake
Substitute/Protect

Normal LS+Toxic staller. It doesn't matter whether you pick Sludge Bomb or EQ. Most of the hurt will come from Toxic anyway.

Someone else can do the other two. I can't think of anything good for them.

Ice demon August 23rd, 2005 12:55 PM

Charizard[adamant]@leftovers/salac
EVs - hp,Att,Sp
flamethrower
sword dance/dragon dance
earthquake
HP flying/aerial ace

Thats the best ingame moveset for him.Belly drum is stupid.If not, go with -
flamethrower
dragon claw
sunny day
HP grass/flying/protect/substitute/aerial ace/overheat


Blastoise[bold/+Def,-Sp]@leftovers
EVs - hp,Def,SpDef,SpAtt
surf
ice beam
rest/focus punch/earthquake
rapid spin/yawn


yawn punching is cool ingame.

Venasaur[careful]@leftovers
EVs - hp,Att,SpDef,Def
sludge bomb
leech seed
sleep powder
earthquake

...

Insanity Mawile August 23rd, 2005 4:11 PM

Custom HPs are difficult.

Venusaur @ Lefties
Calm/Bold/Adamant Nature
Razor Leaf
Leech Seed
Sludge Bomb
Sleep Powder

Charizard @ Leftovers
Timid/Adamant/Jolly
Flamethrower
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Rock Slide/Aerial Ace

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold/Calm Nature
Surf
Ice Beam
Rapid Spin
Rest/Yawn

Ice demon August 23rd, 2005 5:24 PM

Don't care for rapid spin for ingame purposes.
Yea thats why i gave alternate options for each HP that i suggested.

electricgrass August 23rd, 2005 7:34 PM

I think u could try these

Charizard
Mild/lonely
flamethrower
AA/wing attack
EQ/rock slide
Swords dance

Blastoise
modest
surf
ice beam
protect
toxic/haze

venusaur
sleep powder
leech seed
rasor leaf
sludge bomb/toxic

Insanity Mawile August 23rd, 2005 9:30 PM

Modest Blastoise isn't that good. You can always yawnpunch. SRD and Ice Demon got there before me.

Espy Psyche August 26th, 2005 11:33 AM

I use spec Zards over Phy ones. No need for an attack boosting move, which Zard does not have the defenses for.
[email protected] Bell
F/Thrower
Bite
D/Claw
EQ/Rock Slide/Wing Attack
Mild or Rash nature.
You may also replace the Shell Bell with a Salac/Peyata(I think this is SA) and replace my Phy move with Endure(Emerald only).

Venusaur and Blastoise, unlike Zard, lack the speed to sweep. Blastoise has the defenses and the SA to tank with a DEF boosting nature and a type trumping moveset, the kind often seen in sweepers.
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Surf
I/Beam
Substitute
Focus Punch

I consider Venusaur the worst of the Kanto sweepers because it lacks both the speed to sweep and the defenses to tank. I say a LS/Toxic staller.
Leech Seed
Toxic
Sub
Razor Leaf/Giga Drain

Ice demon August 26th, 2005 11:54 AM

Quote:

I use spec Zards over Phy ones. No need for an attack boosting move, which Zard does not have the defenses for.
[email protected] Bell
F/Thrower
Bite
D/Claw
EQ/Rock Slide/Wing Attack
Mild or Rash nature.
You may also replace the Shell Bell with a Salac/Peyata(I think this is SA) and replace my Phy move with Endure(Emerald only).

Venusaur and Blastoise, unlike Zard, lack the speed to sweep. Blastoise has the defenses and the SA to tank with a DEF boosting nature and a type trumping moveset, the kind often seen in sweepers.
[email protected]
Surf
I/Beam
Substitute
Focus Punch

I consider Venusaur the worst of the Kanto sweepers because it lacks both the speed to sweep and the defenses to tank. I say a LS/Toxic staller.
Leech Seed
Toxic
Sub
Razor Leaf/Giga Drain

lol.
Leftovers is supremely better than shell bell.
secondly charizard has a great physical movepool while still being able to OHKO the most common physical wall - skarmory.Why not boost its Att and start to sweep?...Secondly it has a bad special movepool.As in - fire moves,HP,dragon claw and bite....

third pt Venusaur is THE best out of the kanto starters.Certainly Not the worst.It has amazing stalling power with both leech seed and sleep powder [which u forgot out of that moveset] It also gets a STABed sludge bomb on a decent attack.

.::Tsunami::. August 26th, 2005 10:55 PM

ChariZard:Blastburn,Fly,Flamethrower,Fireblast
Blastoise:Hydro Pump,Hydro cannon,waterpulse,blizzard
Venusaur:Razorleaf,solorbeam,frenzyplant,sythnenis
That what i thinks best!^_~

Ice demon August 26th, 2005 11:05 PM

No element beams or any other 2 turn moves,blizzard accuracy bites.Water pulse isn't worth it either...neither is Hydro pump on this dude.Surf is nearly always better.Also u have too many moves of the same type in one set.

Quote:

I consider Venusaur the worst of the Kanto sweepers because it lacks both the speed to sweep and the defenses to tank. I say a LS/Toxic staller.
Leech Seed
Toxic
Sub
Razor Leaf/Giga Drain

Furthermore venasaur has a 4x fighting resistance.

.::Tsunami::. August 26th, 2005 11:14 PM

soory i mean in stead of water palse i meant surf and all those move sets work for me^_~

Ice demon August 26th, 2005 11:19 PM

They would work ingame.Not against skilled players.Or half skilled players.Or...
Sorry derrre dude.

.::Tsunami::. August 26th, 2005 11:36 PM

well i flog people so it's not my probem

Golden Groudon August 27th, 2005 5:10 AM

You just earned a place in my sig on serebii. ^_^

§ Bleep § August 27th, 2005 1:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRV
Charizard - Aerial Ace, Flamethrower, Sunny Day, Body Slam
Blastoise - Surf, Rain Dance, Blizzard, Withdraw
Venusaur - Toxic, Leech Seed, Sludge Bomb, Rest

Those probably aren't the best movesets, but they aren't that bad.

venusaur is almost right... synthesis and sleeppowder instead or toxic and rest.

the other two suck sorry to say :\

Insanity Mawile August 27th, 2005 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Groudon
You just earned a place in my sig on serebii. ^_^

Officially the best post ever.

LOL.

Seriously, go with mine, SRV's or Ice Demon's MSes.

-DMM- August 28th, 2005 12:43 PM

Quote:

ChariZard:Blastburn,Fly,Flamethrower,Fireblast
Blastoise:Hydro Pump,Hydro cannon,waterpulse,blizzard
Venusaur:Razorleaf,solorbeam,frenzyplant,sythnenis
That what i thinks best!^_~
What you think is best really, REALLY sucks.

orangekows August 28th, 2005 1:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny-Chan
ChariZard:Blastburn,Fly,Flamethrower,Fireblast
Blastoise:Hydro Pump,Hydro cannon,waterpulse,blizzard
Venusaur:Razorleaf,solorbeam,frenzyplant,sythnenis
That what i thinks best!^_~

i lol'ed

Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Belly Drum
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Venusaur (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 76 HP / 94 Atk / 192 Def / 148 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Leech Seed/Swords Dance/Curse
- Sleep Powder
- Sludge Bomb

Blastoise (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Counter/Mirror Coat/Yawn
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Surf

-DMM- August 28th, 2005 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orangekows
Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aerial Ace
- Belly Drum
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Kows... I lol'd.

Overheat instead of Fire Blast.
Other than this, listen to Orangekows.

orangekows August 28th, 2005 2:11 PM

overheat really sucks on bellyzard imo because you have to switch to get the special attack back.

edit: fixed

Insanity Mawile August 28th, 2005 2:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangekows
fire blast really sucks on bellyzard imo because you have to switch to get the special attack back.

Does that sentence make sense to you?

-DMM- August 28th, 2005 2:23 PM

Quote:

Does that sentence make sense to you?
Chances are he was taking the mick D:

Ham August 28th, 2005 4:45 PM

chances are HE POSTED THE WRONG MOVE GODDAMMIT IT'S A ****ING TYPO.


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