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Kamahi September 3rd, 2005 1:31 PM

Making An Ultimate Arsenal of Dragon Pokemon
 
I'm trying to make a pure, weakness-less, dragon team. These are the pokemons i had in mind

Rayquaza - Dragon, Flying - Air lock
Latias - Dragon, Psychic - Levitate
Latios - Dragon, Psychic - Levitate
Altaria - Dragon, Flying - Natural Cure
Flygon - Dragon, Ground - Levitate
Salamence - Dragon, Flying - Intimidate
Kingdra - Dragon, Water - Swift Swim
Dragonite - Dragon, Flying - Inner Focus

Some of you might say that using only 1 pokemon type is a nono... I know that. That's why I made this thread, to discuss the pro's and con's of this dragon team and how to improve it :P

Let me know what you think and help me achive my goal as a pure Dragon Tamer ^^;;

Please Consider:
EV Training
Pokemon Nature
Essential Moves (Offensive/Defensive)

PS: I didnt put this into the simple discussion thread because i think I've asked too much and it may turn out to be a discussion thread +)

VanirElf September 3rd, 2005 1:48 PM


...you forgot Dragonite

and well...you're just using too many legends, as a dragon trainer

myself, I consider the legendaries CHEAP...sorry

I know there aren't enough to make a 6 member team, so um...double up.

I always use 2 flygon 'cuz it's fast and can be both a physical and special

sweeper...despite it's crap amount of weaknesses.

I do like that all your pokemon team here are actual dragons though.

a lot of people seem to think that many pokemon like charizard and aerodactyl

count as dragons simply because they're part of the breeding group...



jc_rcw September 3rd, 2005 1:53 PM

I think this should be moved to Pokémon GB Strategies & Movesets

Kamahi September 3rd, 2005 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanirElf

...you forgot Dragonite

and well...you're just using too many legends, as a dragon trainer

myself, I consider the legendaries CHEAP...sorry

a lot of people seem to think that many pokemon like charizard and aerodactyl

count as dragons simply because they're part of the breeding group...

*Checks serebii.net* Ahh, and I thought I couldn't get Dragonite into my Emerald =P Now to look for an fr/lg friend ^^ Thanks for correcting me! *Edits post*

That list of dragon pokemon is not my final team, im just listing all dragon typed pokemons out

I used to use Aerodactyl and Charizard. But now im making a Dragon Typed team =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jc_rcw
I think this should be moved to Pokémon GB Strategies & Movesets

Err think so, but I'm more focused on Emerald pokemons. Anyway, if I'm wrong could someone move it pweese? Thanks

kohei September 4th, 2005 2:41 AM

After all, Shelgon is a pure-Dragon, so...
 
Altough it might sound stupid, a Shelgon might be an interesting addition.
Since it has Rock Head, it can keep using Double Edge without any recoil....

[email protected]"Something"
[Careful] to raise SpDef a bit.
Attack: 252 EV
Agility: 6EV
HP: 252 EV

Double-Edge
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
Rock Slide

I'm not sure if the EV distribution is any good, but since Shelgon is slow, and it's SpDef is low too, I guessed that it'll be better off as a full-attcker who attacks a few times then dies.

Simon September 4th, 2005 7:41 AM

o_o;; Pokemon GB Strategies and Movesets forum; You'll get a lot more help there. More useful help.

Kingdra (F) @ Lum Berry/Cheri Berry/Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 129 Def / 129 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Surf

RD and sweep. This is what I used when I had it on my NB team. Berries for paralysis since it gets screwed pretty badly without the speed.

dragon_master C September 4th, 2005 9:31 AM

i have some good dragons in my fire red. before my emerald crashed i had all the dragons inthat whole game and i never lost. oh yeah simon whats rd and nb mean? and vba?

jc_rcw September 4th, 2005 9:39 AM

rd=rain dance,nb=net battle,vba=visual boy advance.

typoflosion September 4th, 2005 10:47 AM

[QUOTE=Kamahi]I'm trying to make a pure, weakness-less, dragon team. [QUOTE]

one problem: dragons have a weakness to ice, I recommend getting back that charzard of yours.

jc_rcw September 4th, 2005 10:58 AM

Charizard is't a dragon type,its fire/flying.

Ice demon September 4th, 2005 11:22 AM

'dewgong used ice beam...'
and 5 of ur listed pokemon are KO...lovely.

ok kingdra is a must since it takes neutral from ice [email protected] and rayquaza are Ubers if that means anything...

Altaria is easily the most useless out of the bunch...Flygon at least gets STABed earthquake.Since its just ingame anything can work.....

Salamence[jolly]@leftovers
EVs - max Sp and Att
earthquake
HP flying/aerial ace[for ingame only]
dragon dance
fireblast

Dragonite[rash]@leftovers
EVs - at least 240 Sp,200SpAtt,100 Att and rest in hp
ice beam
thunderbolt
focus punch
substitute

Flygon[jolly]@choice band
EVs - max Att and Sp
earthquake
rockslide
HP bug <-return if u can't get it
quick attack


U got ur kingdra moveset.....


Now the [email protected] [use one] are very cool so....
now its a toss up between altaria and rayquaza...lol.


kohei September 5th, 2005 3:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon
o_o;; Pokemon GB Strategies and Movesets forum; You'll get a lot more help there. More useful help.

Kingdra (F) @ Lum Berry/Cheri Berry/Leftovers
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 129 Def / 129 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Surf

RD and sweep. This is what I used when I had it on my NB team. Berries for paralysis since it gets screwed pretty badly without the speed.

I think Rain Dancing Kingdra in a dragon team isn't such a good idea.
If Kingdra faints and it's still raining, the opponent might get a Water type out which has Swift Swim.
And since most Water types have Ice Beam on them...

I think you can guess the rest.

orangekows September 5th, 2005 8:43 AM

use kingdra, salamence, flygon, dragonite, latios and latias, imo. people will ***** at you for using ubers though.

[email protected]
EV's: 252 atk/enough for 198 spd/rest in satk
brave
-substitute
-dragon dance
-flail
-hydro pump/surf

[email protected] band
adamant/naughty/lonely
252 atk/252 spd/4 hp
-fire blast/hidden power bug
-quick attack
-earthquake
-rock slide

or dragon claw/flamethrower/crunch/hp ice

[email protected]@soul dew
modest
EV's: 252 satk/252 spd/4 hp
-calm mind
-dragon claw
-hp fire
-recover

[email protected]
adamant
EV's: enoughfor 336 hp/400 atk/270 spd/ and give it 40 sdef/rest in def
-dragon dance
-earthquake
-aerial ace/hp flying
-rock slide/fire blast

i still use DDMence :(

Kamahi September 6th, 2005 4:10 PM

Thanks a bunch guys, that really helps. Btw what's HP bug/flying?

GoldenHouou September 7th, 2005 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamahi
Thanks a bunch guys, that really helps. Btw what's HP bug/flying?


It means "Hidden Power bug/Flying. And good luck on your Dragon team. I´m thinking of making a pure fire team. :P Is this team for competitive or for in game battling?

Kamahi September 7th, 2005 2:49 PM

competitive and link battling =P

Simon September 7th, 2005 2:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kohei
I think Rain Dancing Kingdra in a dragon team isn't such a good idea.
If Kingdra faints and it's still raining, the opponent might get a Water type out which has Swift Swim.
And since most Water types have Ice Beam on them...

I think you can guess the rest.

That won't be much of a problem as long as Kamahi has something that can hurt water types. Only about six Pokemon with Swift Swim have enough base Sp. Atk. to OHKO a Dragon with a 4X Ice weakness (without crit. or hax), according to NB's damage calc.

Loyal Arcanine September 7th, 2005 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kohei
Altough it might sound stupid, a Shelgon might be an interesting addition.
Since it has Rock Head, it can keep using Double Edge without any recoil....

[email protected]"Something"
[Careful] to raise SpDef a bit.
Attack: 252 EV
Agility: 6EV
HP: 252 EV

Double-Edge
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
Rock Slide

I'm not sure if the EV distribution is any good, but since Shelgon is slow, and it's SpDef is low too, I guessed that it'll be better off as a full-attcker who attacks a few times then dies.

I like this one. Make "something" a Choice Band too.

Kamahi September 7th, 2005 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon
That won't be much of a problem as long as Kamahi has something that can hurt water types. Only about six Pokemon with Swift Swim have enough base Sp. Atk. to OHKO a Dragon with a 4X Ice weakness (without crit. or hax), according to NB's damage calc.

Hmm... I might need lightning attacks then... But I dont think it would fit in

Simon September 7th, 2005 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamahi
Hmm... I might need lightning attacks then... But I dont think it would fit in

Use the Dragonite moveset that Ice gave you. You can also try to catch the ones that share a Rock+Water type on the switch or some predicting with FP. Either Salamence moveset from kohei or Ice would work as well if you've used DD...I think...

Meh... o_o;;

Kamahi September 8th, 2005 1:23 AM

I gotta open my eyes abit... =|

IronTrainer September 25th, 2005 6:33 PM

Personally...Dragonair(shed skin!!)+ leftovers or dragon tooth?
Dragon Breath and Dragon Claw...a must have!
thunderwave is fun..more reliable then dragon breath..

I can't feel my toes... September 26th, 2005 6:40 AM

you shouldn't double up on type moves like Dbreath and Dclaw. It's wasted space

IronTrainer September 27th, 2005 2:12 PM

??
 
Well its NOT a Double UP..if you look at the secondary Effects...

Drangon Breath.... to Paralyze...(30%)
(and plays nice against grass/ghost etc....)

Dragon Claw ...straight damage..with a 80/100...

The only double up would BE...Thunder Wave & Dragon Breath,which I'm saying One or the Other not Both!

Ice demon September 27th, 2005 3:44 PM

lol
Negative.
It most definitely doesn't work like that.
thunderwave > dragonbreath
dragon claw > dragonbreath
so dragonbreath shud never be used.And yes it still is a double up.

and in the end the dragonite moveset i posted above is still the best.


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