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Duke R March 19th, 2004 1:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CaRtOON
I don't care about what you think, that person left for his/her beliefs. If they wanna go, let em go. You can't just insult someone for the things they believe in. You wouldn't like it if I said something insulting to the things you believe in. If we lost a member, no biggie, just let that person go. We lose members, and we can't stop it. So please no insulting..

I'm insulting??? I just said that what I think is that I believe that any religion is over pokémon, and I haven't like what that one did... Excuse me, but now you're being rude... I think... I didn't said that the one is better or worse than anyone...

Greed March 19th, 2004 8:19 AM

Okay, okay, fine. Maybe I misunderstood you. Let's please end this silly argument, alright, I admit its my fault. So errr, let's get back on topic. I thought you were saying that stuff to be mean to other people ()o.o;

*dies*

pkmn-source March 19th, 2004 3:13 PM

Jews killed Jesus Christ. But it's Jesus destiny to burden all the sins of mankind. The movie is not actually racist. Mel Gibson is just trying to show to the world how did Jesus really got killed and who killed him. Jews are against the movie because maybe a lot of people will blame the Jews that they're the one who caused Jesus's death which is actually true.

Oh well... I think Mel Gibson's film is great and I don't see anything wrong about it.

Why did Hitler killed thousand of Jews without doin anythin? Isn't it like the like the life of Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ got killed without doing anything. Well, that's sad :(

Greed March 19th, 2004 5:53 PM

Who knows the real truth? Hmm.. I really don't like to blame anyone for Jesus' death. I'd be insulting them ;-; But hey, who really knows?

But not all Jews are against it, tho. There was this rabbi talking in this radio show, and he was furious his people were boycotting the movie for such foolishness. He said he sees nothing wrong with it. Neither do I. ^^

pkmn-source March 19th, 2004 6:54 PM

the real truth is in the bible.

Greed March 19th, 2004 7:05 PM

The Bible? Then maybe I should read it more, my mum always forces me to read the bible or she'll lecture me that God will send me to Heck if I'm not good. =P I just can't understand it ;-;

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Duke R March 20th, 2004 12:14 AM

The Bible? I don't believe the truth is in The Bible... The truth is in History books... Mel Gibson just made a movie talking about the truth, the real truth, Gibson's truth... If he has money and all to make a movie, leave he and he's truth... I think... And if the truth is in The Bible,,, we must admit that the movie is TOTALLY based on it... I think...

piyoko March 20th, 2004 5:57 AM

duuuuuuuuuude.my mom won't let me see the passion because she says "it's too gruesome,and will give you nightmares" i haven't had nightmares from movies sice i was like,five O-0

duke,your post confuzzeled me :confused:

pkmn-source March 20th, 2004 10:14 AM

If you don't believe the actual events in the movie really happen, it's up to you. Don't you think the death of million Jews is just a KARMA to them for asking to kill Jesus in the past? That's what I think. But Jews are cool, I don't know why Hitler killed all Jews :(


Well the movie has the combination of History and Hollywood.


Mel Gibson didn't spend much money on the Film. I think it's around 1-2 million dollars for the movie.

Greed March 20th, 2004 11:07 AM

Actually, Mel Gibson invested 30, million dollars on The Passion of the Christ. And like Piyoko said, Dauke's post confused me @@;;

Well, some people really believe the truth is in the Bible. I'm not sure myself --;;

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Chairman Kaga March 20th, 2004 1:04 PM

Karma comes from Hinduism, not Christianity ;P God would not allow millions of Jews to be slaughtered at the hands of Hitler as a vengeance. He has his reasons for everything, but none of them are ever malevolent. It is and shall always be a mystery. Of course the Jews haven’t deserved any of the anti-Semitism they’ve suffered over the years, but still...all this is beside the point. I think that asking who killed Jesus is irrelevant to the point of the movie...the movie is about Jesus dying for the sins of the world, and this bickering is detracting from that point.

About the point of truth lying in the Bible, I personally believe that it is a good guide on how to life one’s life, but in the end it depends on the opinion of the individual person. But I think we’re going off on too many tangents here...and again, let’s keep it civil, ok ^^;;

Duke R March 20th, 2004 3:18 PM

Ok. But I don't speak English... I just said that you do what you wanna do... You can see the movie and see what Gibson think 'bout the true. Believe or not believe, that's the question...

shep April 1st, 2004 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CaRtOON
The Bible? Then maybe I should read it more, my mum always forces me to read the bible or she'll lecture me that God will send me to Heck if I'm not good. =P I just can't understand it ;-;

*dies*

I am sorry for posting so late but I havnt been around much to check out all the other threads than Pokemon Dimension. Cartoon as a christian I also struggle with continually reading my bible. Your mother telling you your going to **** isnt a great way to provoke bible study. I suggest a NIV study bible like this:
here
The NIV version of the bible is very easy to read. This particular bible I have, it has a very very easy to follow reading plan for what to read everyday and has sections for most of the chapters of each book and explains what is going on. It has a great index to look up topics like "Sex" "homosexuality" "murder" and a great section on important people to know. This is a great bible and I hope you pick it up or a similar one. A devotional is also something useful to pick up. Hope I could help! :classic:

Duke R April 2nd, 2004 12:23 AM

shep, you're Yankee.
No Yankee ones can tell something useful'bout religion, 'coz since you (Yankees) burn your parents tell you what you have to be and believe. 'Bout "sex", "homossexuality" and "murder" (I don't know what the last means) it's not something "WHAT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! OH, HORRIFYING!!!" that's an option of theirselves... ...
...
This PIV must be better than the "Capitalist-Lie-Book" (Bible)... ... Excuse me if Yankee is offensive ... I don't speak English ... ... GOOD SIG PIYOKO! ...

TeamRocket April 2nd, 2004 5:16 AM

This is my straight opinion:
The Jews didn't place Jesus on the cross
The Romans didn't place Jesus on the cross
The Disciples didn't place Jesus on the cross
HIS LOVE FOR US PLACED HIM ON THE CROSS
He would rather die than live without us - his children

Greed April 2nd, 2004 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by shep
I am sorry for posting so late but I havnt been around much to check out all the other threads than Pokemon Dimension. Cartoon as a christian I also struggle with continually reading my bible. Your mother telling you your going to **** isnt a great way to provoke bible study. I suggest a NIV study bible like this:
here
The NIV version of the bible is very easy to read. This particular bible I have, it has a very very easy to follow reading plan for what to read everyday and has sections for most of the chapters of each book and explains what is going on. It has a great index to look up topics like "Sex" "homosexuality" "murder" and a great section on important people to know. This is a great bible and I hope you pick it up or a similar one. A devotional is also something useful to pick up. Hope I could help! :classic:

Wow, thanks for the advice =D I just checked out this other book that explains the Bible and its really interesting. It explained so many things I couldn't understand. I'll check it out, shep. Thanx for the advice =3

Anyways, in latest news, I have recently found out "Dawn of the Dead" has actually beaten Passion's record. It sold more than the Passion could, and that just pisses me off.. Christianity is one of the biggest religions in the US, I'm surprised to know that so many Christians rather see senseless violence than know how a brave man suffered for us..

Chairman Kaga April 2nd, 2004 3:05 PM

Actually, The Passion of the Christ is going to beat Dawn of the Dead by hundreds of millions of dollars...Dawn of the Dead only beat Passion of the Christ in weekend box-office sales. I think TPOTC might go back to number one around Easter though.

Greed April 2nd, 2004 3:58 PM

Hmm, maybe you're right. Actually, didja know that the Passion of the Christ is still in the USA? Soon, the movie will premier around the world. Dang, Mr. Gibson is gonna be a billionaire ^-^

Also, I just heard a Priest died in Brazil.. I think. I dunno, but another person died. I can see why, the movie's very touching ;-;

Teara April 2nd, 2004 4:03 PM

Yup! I herd a girl had a sezure from watching it. It'z gory but if you think you're ready you zhould ztill zee it.

Greed April 2nd, 2004 4:31 PM

Those poor peeps who died. ;-; Honestly, its a strong emotional movie. When I saw it, I could swear I felt my heart starting to slow down O.o; Sure, I know it sounds weird, but it made me so sad ;-;

Chairman Kaga April 2nd, 2004 4:41 PM

I'm not surprised some people died from seeing it...the shock and horror could cause heart attacks I suppose...anyone remember the wave of horrible flashbacks (and likely deaths even) that WWII vets had when they went to watch Saving Private Ryan in theaters? That movie was intense, somewhat like the Passion of the Christ...

But as teara sorta said, it's a very rare occurance and that's no reason not go to see a movie..only if you have some serious heart condition or something...any big excitement or shock can trigger cardiac arrest, actually o_o

Greed April 2nd, 2004 4:47 PM

Yep, just like a rollercoaster except it ain't for fun. Sensible people should take precautions, because they can get too excited or anything. Those poor dudes..

I never saw Saving Private Ryans, there are too many WWWII movies out there, that I taken disinterest in them =P

shep April 2nd, 2004 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke R
shep, you're Yankee.
No Yankee ones can tell something useful'bout religion, 'coz since you (Yankees) burn your parents tell you what you have to be and believe. 'Bout "sex", "homossexuality" and "murder" (I don't know what the last means) it's not something "WHAT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! OH, HORRIFYING!!!" that's an option of theirselves... ...
...
This PIV must be better than the "Capitalist-Lie-Book" (Bible)... ... Excuse me if Yankee is offensive ... I don't speak English ... ... GOOD SIG PIYOKO! ...

Listen here child. Yes I am from America but that does not mean I have no useful opinions on religion. How narrowminded of you to assume that I have blindly followed a religion. You do not know me, my background, what I have been through in life. That post was directed to Cartoon, I don't know why you think it was even directed to you, those are topics that are easily catergorized in this bible I was reccomending. I was giving examples on how easy it was to look up topics on specific things. The "NIV" bible is a different translation in the bible that is easier for this generation to comprehend. It stands for the "New Internation Version." I don't even know why I am adressing your post because I find people that do not respect other beleives to be a waste of time. I don't go around calling the holy book of Koran stupid, or any of the teachings of Buddha ridiculous. Learn some respect, and respect other cultures. Do not be so narrow minded.

Chairman Kaga April 2nd, 2004 8:30 PM

Exactly...I didn't even see that post, but now that I do, I just don't get it...this isn't the place to sling your intolerance and hatred around. Shep covered it, but ...

Tu odio es innecesario... ¡El frase <<yanqui>> y tus manchas de nuestro religión son insultante--no es amable, así no lo haces, por favor!

If you can't understand everything in english, hopefully you can understand a bit of jumbled spanish...

This topic is not a religious debate, it is the discussion of a movie. Please don't turn it into anything else. People on both sides are easily stirred up if people try to make it something it isn't. Now, if you don't mind, I don't want to see any more religious slurs in here. It's sickening and absolutely base.

Greed April 3rd, 2004 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke_R
shep, you're Yankee.
No Yankee ones can tell something useful'bout religion, 'coz since you (Yankees) burn your parents tell you what you have to be and believe. 'Bout "sex", "homossexuality" and "murder" (I don't know what the last means) it's not something "WHAT!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE!!! OH, HORRIFYING!!!" that's an option of theirselves... ...
...
This PIV must be better than the "Capitalist-Lie-Book" (Bible)... ... Excuse me if Yankee is offensive ... I don't speak English ... ... GOOD SIG PIYOKO! ...

I noticed it, but ignored it. I didn't want to make any trouble =P But since this is offending to people, yes, Duke, STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! If you don't, we'll just have to drag an mod to put your frigging bolts back in.. And besides, mods DO NOT like to be disturbed =P

So will ya quit it? I mean, if you hate it, keep it to yourself... =/ I don't wanna hear your hater stuff =P You don't see me insulting whatever the heck you are.. --;;

*dies*

Arcanine April 5th, 2004 5:55 PM

Well I guess I am the last one here to see the movie.
This movie is powerful, moving, and very sad.

And I don't have the time to read all that up there but what ever it is stop it.

Duke R April 10th, 2004 3:21 PM

.. ... *serious* I don't know what you all understood and I don't care if this word exists... I don't posted what you all understood... ... excuse me for the trouble...

Greed April 11th, 2004 3:34 PM

Well, your posts above sound pretty discriminating, Dukie-boi. If you didn't mean to sound that way, you should have thought about what you were writing.. It sounds offensive and stuff =/ So quit it, alright?

Anyways, Passion of the Christ has made it on to top of movies again! Here's the list.. ^^;

1. The Passion of The Christ
2. Hellboy
3. Johnson Family Vacation
4. The Alamo
5. Walking Tall
6. Home on the Range
7. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
8. The Whole Ten Yards
9. Ella Enchanted
10. The Girl Next Door

Shch, that Girl Next Door movie sounds really cracky.. =P

*dies*

latiosspud April 11th, 2004 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CaRtOON
Well, your posts above sound pretty discriminating, Dukie-boi. If you didn't mean to sound that way, you should have thought about what you were writing.. It sounds offensive and stuff =/ So quit it, alright?

Anyways, Passion of the Christ has made it on to top of movies again! Here's the list.. ^^;

1. The Passion of The Christ
2. Hellboy
3. Johnson Family Vacation
4. The Alamo
5. Walking Tall
6. Home on the Range
7. Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
8. The Whole Ten Yards
9. Ella Enchanted
10. The Girl Next Door

Shch, that Girl Next Door movie sounds really cracky.. =P

*dies*

The Passion of The Christ was first just because it was Easter and I heard it could make up to 400 million bucks.

It's sad that "The Girl Next Door" was in 10th place as it was pretty good. I don't see why it was rated R, it should have been PG13 if you ask me. It doesn't matter though since I saw it anyways.

22sa April 12th, 2004 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga
I'm not surprised some people died from seeing it...the shock and horror could cause heart attacks I suppose...anyone remember the wave of horrible flashbacks (and likely deaths even) that WWII vets had when they went to watch Saving Private Ryan in theaters? That movie was intense, somewhat like the Passion of the Christ...

But as teara sorta said, it's a very rare occurance and that's no reason not go to see a movie..only if you have some serious heart condition or something...any big excitement or shock can trigger cardiac arrest, actually o_o

It seems everyone thinks Saving Private Ryan is very bloody and intense...

I saw it last year in a grade ten social studies classroom, like wow, they could show that stuff at my school? o.o But anyway... =) It didn't seem too bad at all to me. I've simply seen worse, I guess.

Christ's sufferings on the cross. Well, first of all, the movie really focused on the physical sufferings of Christ. Since I have been educated (somewhat) that the spiritual suffering of Christ on the cross was perhaps even more significant - he took the spritual punishment for mankind's sins and defeated the devil by doing so. But I hardly knowticed any, if at all in this movie.

Conscience April 12th, 2004 12:30 PM

I went to see the movie , and i dare say i wasnt very impressed.
I thought it was biased and very pro-christian. Mind you it was a christian movie so go figure. Maybe i just didnt like it because im not christian , but i thought the movie was very "hollywood".

( Dont mean to offend anyone )

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by latiosspudd
The Passion of The Christ was first just because it was Easter and I heard it could make up to 400 million bucks.

Yep, I noticed. They said that on the radio this morning.

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I went to see the movie , and i dare say i wasnt very impressed.
I thought it was biased and very pro-christian. Mind you it was a christian movie so go figure. Maybe i just didnt like it because im not christian , but i thought the movie was very "hollywood".
I believe in order to "feel" it, one must be very determined, and somewhat Christian. One doesn't have to be a religious christian to enjoy it. =P And I believe one has to believe in Jesus, I don't think it affects anyone non-christian. =/

*dies*

Frostweaver April 12th, 2004 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 22sa
It seems everyone thinks Saving Private Ryan is very bloody and intense...

I saw it last year in a grade ten social studies classroom, like wow, they could show that stuff at my school? o.o But anyway... =) It didn't seem too bad at all to me. I've simply seen worse, I guess.

Christ's sufferings on the cross. Well, first of all, the movie really focused on the physical sufferings of Christ. Since I have been educated (somewhat) that the spiritual suffering of Christ on the cross was perhaps even more significant - he took the spritual punishment for mankind's sins and defeated the devil by doing so. But I hardly knowticed any, if at all in this movie.

I dunno... I didn't pay much attention to you when I was watching the movie... I was either staring at my cup to stop myself from crying but not looking at the mvoie, or is crying o.o;

the fact that I was one of those freaks who was holding that cat-o-9tail... it's just sad and makes me want to cry... and everyone who did see the movie also participated playing the role as one of those soldiers who were torturing Christ. We all have sins, and Jesus wouldn't have to go through all those beatings if it isn't for these sins we have. We are the one who play the roles of those soldiers sending him up the cross... seeing that in action just how brutal it really is compare to just what's written in words is just very moving and astonishing.

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:14 PM

Very well, said, Frosty ^-^

What made me cry mostly about the movie is not really blood or guts or anything. What made me cry is that he did all that for our sins, he saved us, we were unworthy of his mercy, but he still suffered for us. Its pretty moving imo. It was mostly all of our faults he had to go through all that mean stuff ;-;

*dies*

Wing Zero April 12th, 2004 5:17 PM

i just want to know, how can a god die...? anything you say i can probably arue and win it...so whats the explination...
and yes it is an excellent movie...have any of you seen The Least Temptation Of Christ? that has the same impact if not better of the passion of christ...

Teara April 12th, 2004 5:24 PM

No! I juzt pozted here!...it didn't pozt ;.;

Anywayz, like I've zaid, it'z not the pain, it'z the thought of it.

Woah! Did anyone elze hear about the guy who admitted to killing hiz girlfriend becauze of the the movie? He zaid it touched him zo much that he had to confezz.
Way ta go Gibson!

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
i just want to know, how can a god die...? anything you say i can probably arue and win it...so whats the explination...
and yes it is an excellent movie...have any of you seen The Least Temptation Of Christ? that has the same impact if not better of the passion of christ...

Jesus was a God alright, heck he had the power to kill all the soldiers, free himself from the cross, and heal himself. Heck, he could have chosen to be invincible, but he chose to suffer so he could save all of us. He died *he didn't just have to die, he had to suffer* so that he could give all humanity a second chance. So that the Enemy would not claim our souls that easily. That's all I gotta say, kid. =P

*dies*

latiosspud April 12th, 2004 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
i just want to know, how can a god die...? anything you say i can probably arue and win it...so whats the explination...
and yes it is an excellent movie...have any of you seen The Least Temptation Of Christ? that has the same impact if not better of the passion of christ...

The point is you both have different beliefs so in the end no one will win. :P

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Teara
Woah! Did anyone elze hear about the guy who admitted to killing hiz girlfriend becauze of the the movie? He zaid it touched him zo much that he had to confezz.

Oh yeah! My ma told me, that movie is so very amazing. Look at how it made these people think! ^^

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Originally Posted by latiosspudd
The point is you both have different beliefs so in the end no one will win.

Exactly, I'd like to see how can Wing Zero possibly win this. =P

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Wing Zero April 12th, 2004 5:31 PM

god-A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

how could a creator or surpream being die? its just not pracitical...and how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

Teara April 12th, 2004 5:35 PM

Bazicly he didn't have to die, he chooze to in order to zave uz. It'z pretty zimple Wing Zero. Zorry, but thiz iz a religouz topic, that meanz it'z built on belifez, and that meanz there are a million thingz people can argue about them, it all dependz on your own perzonal belifez.
It'z really not even an arguement, juzt comparing.

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
god-A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

how could a creator or surpream being die? its just not pracitical...and how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

Teara's right. Jesus chose to die, didn't you read meh explanation? He suffered and died for our rins, besides, he didn't really die. He ressurected three days after being crucified.

*dies*

Wing Zero April 12th, 2004 5:37 PM

okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the ible and other religious books...if those proved inaccurate then that would change all peopls beliefs becuas the beeifs are based on what is in the bible either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate!

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the ible and other religious books...if those proved inaccurate then that would change all peopls beliefs becuas the beeifs are based on what is in the bible either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate!

*gets dizzy* I can hardly understand what you're asking. @@;; I can hardly make out your spelling mistakes.. @[email protected]; Can you clarify the question?

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Teara April 12th, 2004 5:43 PM

You make a good point Wing Zero, we really don't know. But to think that they changed zomething...would they really have a reazon to?
But think about how fiercly people defend their religion, people die for it all the time. Do you really think that if they(who ever the heck "they" are) changed it, that people would change what they belived in? I highly doubt it! Juzt think about the evolution theory, zcientiztz came up with excellent proof and yet many people ztill keep their belifez.

Wing Zero April 12th, 2004 5:45 PM

okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the bible and other religious books...if those proved inacurate then that would change all peoples beliefs becuas the beleifs are based on what is in the bible, either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate! ^happy i corrected it...and my question was:

how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

i see teara answred faster than i could correct...
but anyways...yep so all im saying is that well never know...so i guess we will never end this debate...o well ~_^

Teara April 12th, 2004 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
i see Teara answred faster than i could correct...
but anyways...yep so all im saying is that well never know...so i guess we will never end this debate...o well ~_^

Zo then why'd you zay you could win? Huh? :P

Wing Zero April 12th, 2004 5:54 PM

well you didnt win either and your post didnt totaly sway the discussion to your side...meaning my question is till left out in the open meaning i have not been beaten...

all in all ifs a very touching and meaningfull...

Greed April 12th, 2004 5:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
okay fine...but you never adressed my second question which is about the bible and other religious books...if those proved inacurate then that would change all peoples beliefs becuas the beleifs are based on what is in the bible, either pro it or against it..right?..i love debate! ^happy i corrected it...and my question was:

how do we know religion hasnt been bended inorder to meet the deamands of society? do you really belive we are reading the same exact text as it was written in ancient time?!
also, when you translate things they lose the meaning...just look at japanees haikus...

i see teara answred faster than i could correct...
but anyways...yep so all im saying is that well never know...so i guess we will never end this debate...o well ~_^

These kinds of debate never have quite an end @@; Anyways, all I know about the bible is that most of the things on it are changed. Heck, I looked at two bibles, and they had very different things. =P One is never sure if its changed >_<; But anyways, although it may have been changed, most beliefs are passed on that try not to be changed. None of us really know if what the Bible says is really what has been written ages ago.

BTW, LOL @ Teara. Good point XD

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Teara April 12th, 2004 6:02 PM

That'z why it'z a good idea to have ideaz inztead of belifez. Ideaz can be changed, belifez...if you're willing to die for them then it'z probably not very eazy to change them.

Thankz Cartoon, I actually feel zmart now :P

Zpeaking of rezurection, Cartoon, you zure die alot, imagine how many timez you've come back to life :P

Chairman Kaga April 13th, 2004 1:50 PM

On the subject of religions changing to meet the needs of society, I don't see that as the case with Christianity. Throughout the ages, those who have been entrusted with copying and translating scripture have been held to the standard of translating it verbatim. It's gone from Jewish to Greek and Latin to all the European vernaculars to all languages and the words haven't changed. Even if a few things can't be translated verbatim, all languages have equivalants to different phrases so it's not even a question if the language barrier has done anything to scripture. The message of the King James Version is no different than the New International Version (the most accurate version outside of Hebrew), only the wording is different. One is in plain english and one is in old english. But then there are versions like the Cotton Patch Version which are incredibly messed up...they turned the Bible into a story where Jesus was born in Georgia during the great depression. That's just irresponsible. But the devotion of the faithful holds them to the high translation standards that keep the Bible the way it has always been. I don't think I've heard of a major religion that would change itself just to suit society, especially seeing as popular society hates Christianity.

So I think that ought to answer your question, Wing Zero.

~Chairman Kaga

Jess April 13th, 2004 2:07 PM

I have seen this movie like 4 or 5 times. *I forgot which x.x*.. Last time I saw it was Easter.

Greed April 13th, 2004 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Teara
That'z why it'z a good idea to have ideaz inztead of belifez. Ideaz can be changed, belifez...if you're willing to die for them then it'z probably not very eazy to change them.

Thankz Cartoon, I actually feel zmart now

Zpeaking of rezurection, Cartoon, you zure die alot, imagine how many timez you've come back to life

That's a reason I'm not so religious, there is really no telling if those beliefs are real ;-; But hey, there must have been someone who must have created all of us. Trees and water didn't just sprout out of the earth and grew! ^^;

BTW, I come back to life everytime I post! ^-^ OMG! I was a walking and moving dead person!!! O_O;;

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I have seen this movie like 4 or 5 times. *I forgot which x.x*.. Last time I saw it was Easter.

You're lucky, I so loved that movie. I only got to see it once, and that was the third day it came on theaters! XD

*dies*

Teara April 13th, 2004 3:27 PM

Lol, I got that from the movie Dogma :P
But I have an Idea that there iz zomeone up there watchin all of uz ^_^

Greed April 13th, 2004 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Teara
Lol, I got that from the movie Dogma :P
But I have an Idea that there iz zomeone up there watchin all of uz ^_^

Since when did you become so wise, Teara? XD Yeah, one reason I believe in god is cus there must be someone who made all of us. ^^

*dies*

Wing Zero April 13th, 2004 3:46 PM

science myfirend science...what came first the chicken or the egg? or how cna we prove there is ONE god if there are soo many denominations...therell be no way to ever find out sadly...but i think science is the birth of man kind and it will sadly lead the end to it also...sadly...

Greed April 13th, 2004 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
science myfirend science...what came first the chicken or the egg? or how cna we prove there is ONE god if there are soo many denominations...therell be no way to ever find out sadly...but i think science is the birth of man kind and it will sadly lead the end to it also...sadly...

But there's always questions science can't answer. Such as, who created science then? And I don't believe science will destroy us, I believe we'll (us, people, ourselves) be the ones who shall lead ourselves to our ultimate downfall.

*dies*

Teara April 13th, 2004 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cartoon
Since when did you become so wise, Teara? XD Yeah, one reason I believe in god is cus there must be someone who made all of us. ^^

Iziz alwayz been a zmart peopler! :P
Exactly, and I know I'm gonna regret zaying thiz but oh well, here I go >_<'''

When the thoery of evolution came out many people were offended greatly due to their religiouz belifez. They all dizagree with it inztantly azzuming that God iz a human therefor he came before apez and zo we couldn't have evolved from them. BUT what are the pozibilitiez that God wazn't human, zomeone had to create apez too right? Zure Jesus waz a man but God iz almighty therefore he could have created a human zon without being one himzelf. IF yo think about it both zidez could be right in their own wayz. While I belive we will never know the real truth about it untill perhapz we die, I do think that people tend to go overboard thinking that humanz are the very bezt of all creationz. What if we are juzt one of them? What makez uz zo pozitive that we are zo amazing that Of coureze God muzt be one of our own kind. We all know we wern't the very firzt creaturez on the planet zo why would God be human?

*takez a deep breath*
Phew! Glad I could finaly zay my ideaz out loud with out geting a detention from a teacher :P'''
BTW, zorry if I got zome of my factz wrong 0,o But that'z been on my mind for a looooong time.

Wing Zero April 13th, 2004 4:05 PM

has anyone read any of david von danikens books? hes an archaeologists, anthropologists he believs that the world to construction by aliens, rather than the work of the human people. His Chariots of the Gods included a theory that humankind arose because aliens came to earth and impregnated hominids.

thats the most prbable scientific explanation of the gods i have ever heard...just think about it...the supernatural appearance, strength...arnt the gods always protrayed as superior to man...and what about beams of light affiliated with the gods...dont aliens use beams of light for a unknow purpose? they link together...but some religious people refuse to belive this beacuse of their belifs..tisk tisk arrogance doesnt help...

*takes DEEP BREATH like Teara* ~_^

Greed April 13th, 2004 4:18 PM

That's a good point, Teara =D Can I call you "sempai"? XD

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Originally Posted by Wing_Zero
anthropologists he believs that the world to construction by aliens, rather than the work of the human people

The why don't our "creators" aka aliens, have arrived, or destroyed all of us? If I were them, I'd destroy the humans cus humans are pretty cracked up these days =P

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Originally Posted by Wing_Zero
but some religious people refuse to belive this beacuse of their belifs..tisk tisk arrogance doesnt help...

Don't say that again, if you do, you're the arrogant one for bad-mouthin' people for their beliefs =/

*dies*

Teara April 13th, 2004 4:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cartoon
That's a good point, Teara =D Can I call you "sempai"? XD

Uhhhh...yeah zure...Pzzt, what'z that mean 0.0~??

Hmm, well, I don't know about allienz. I'm zure we're mizzing zomething out there but I've never thought of them az our creator, I zuppoze it'z a poziblity though. I'm actually at a lozz of wordz right now though(think I uzed em all up) about the idea zince I've never herd it before 0.0''

Greed April 13th, 2004 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Teara
Uhhhh...yeah zure...Pzzt, what'z that mean 0.0~??

Hmm, well, I don't know about allienz. I'm zure we're mizzing zomething out there but I've never thought of them az our creator, I zuppoze it'z a poziblity though. I'm actually at a lozz of wordz right now though(think I uzed em all up) about the idea zince I've never herd it before 0.0''

~Sempai - A Japanese word used to call people of higher class, a Japanese name of respect.

^^; The alien thing seems bogus, like I said, if they really did. They would probably want us as their slaves or sumthing, honestly. Or they'd kill us for going rotten ^^;

*dies*

Wing Zero April 13th, 2004 4:31 PM

i did not intent to hurt anyone...i meant it in no bad way, it was a misconception...all i am saying is that some perople, even wthnic groups are hindered by beliefs...i am assyrian which is located, or WAS located in the middle east in mesopitamia, but i am christian. now, for example at one point of time muslims were surpream lerners and held the most knowledge of the world...but look at them nowadaays..they have feastivals enforced by beleif to do things some think as absurd...(cutting themselves with macceties to sacrifice their wrong doings for allah, etc.)
all i am saying is that theya re hindered, but mean it in no offensive way...

latiosspud April 13th, 2004 4:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CaRtOON
But there's always questions science can't answer. Such as, who created science then? And I don't believe science will destroy us, I believe we'll (us, people, ourselves) be the ones who shall lead ourselves to our ultimate downfall.

*dies*

Who created god then?

Teara April 13th, 2004 4:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cartoon
~Sempai - A Japanese word used to call people of higher class, a Japanese name of respect.

^^; The alien thing seems bogus, like I said, if they really did. They would probably want us as their slaves or sumthing, honestly. Or they'd kill us for going rotten ^^;

Ohhhhh! Okay! ^_^

I dunno Wing Zero, technecly, we define allienz az beingz from another place, uzually a myzteriouz one, and izn't that zorta the caze with God? A being different from uz from a myzteriouz place...that'z my idea.

Wing Zero April 13th, 2004 4:47 PM

well all the archalogical findings von daniken has link man kinds creation to the aliens...
also, what about this theory: we are all gods...just listen i know its bogus but wait it makes sense...many ask why god, the almighty creator and surpream being, kills perople, creates murderes, killers, and bad people...or diverse people for that matter...
it is because he created us as a sort of probe, using us to fill his never ending hunger of what the world is like, he wants to experience things in different ways, i mean if you were a almighty being you cant say you would reamin suffice from the beginign to end without conflict...no i doubt you can...so since we are his prbes then we are a part of him, thus making us all gods in our own ways...

the alien theory is more probable...also just look at all cultures mithology of legendary men or people...have you ever noticed how they are reffered to as beings wiht supernatural abilities, apearnces, etc. anyways, if you dont belive ANY of this then, like i said, there are always the archeological finding to support it...

Chairman Kaga April 13th, 2004 5:50 PM

Aliens? No...I just don't see that as the case. Just hearing such a theory already labels it as very, very, improbable, and something that I, personally, do not believe.

I am a Christian, and I believe in divine creation. The thing is, I find that it's ok to not take some things literally in the Bible. Some things are only for God to fully understand...understanding the universe is beyond our grasp as mere humans, and I realize that. For one thing, I have no idea whether the world was created in six literal days or not...to quote from the Bible, to God "a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day" ... time is not an issue when one is immortal. I'm sure God could have allowed epochs and ages to pass and would consider it a "day", but it would be an age to us. I just believe all things were set into motion by God. Also, some elements of evolution and creation can blend perfectly. Microevolution: adaptive changes in a species: are quite evident. Just look at bacteria, they're able to mutate and fight off antibiotics. But I personally do not believe in macroevolution, or the gradual change of one species into another.

I don't understand the misconception that people see God as human, just like the rest of us. He isn't human, He is a separate being. Jesus, the human third of the Trinity, was, indeed, human, but through God was able to do what he did. He did a human death, he returned to heaven, and as God in heaven again he resurrected himself on earth. Jesus was indeed human while he was on earth. God has never been human.

Why has God ever done violence? He has only done violence when it has been necessary to do so if his church on earth is in absolute danger of being irradicated. Thus, the great flood, Soddom and Gommorah, etc. In those instances, the church was on the verge of destruction and God had the need to reassert himself. Long, long ago he was in communication with some choice followers in the continued effort for humans to safely establish the church so that they may spread their faith.

Who created God? There was no creation, as I said the ways of the universe are too mysterious for us to grasp. We know nothing of anything that goes on in our universe although we'd like to claim that we know everything. This is faith, the action of believing in something without seeing it.

This should answer anyones' questions, but let me say this: this is a topic about a movie, but it has spiraled down into a theological debate, which like all theological debates, cannot be resolved between opposing parties. I would very much like to continue talking about The Passion of the Christ, not this. This debate can only get worse and continue to divide us when we need not be divided.

Also, this topic is not meant to offend anyone of any religion, belief, or lack thereof. I have tried to be polite and explain things as I see them in a manner that, in a very basic sense, answers questions that have now arisen in this topic. I have the power to clarify things so it is only fitting that I exercise that power.

~Chairman Kaga

22sa April 14th, 2004 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by frostweaver
I dunno... I didn't pay much attention to you when I was watching the movie... I was either staring at my cup to stop myself from crying but not looking at the mvoie, or is crying o.o;

the fact that I was one of those freaks who was holding that cat-o-9tail... it's just sad and makes me want to cry... and everyone who did see the movie also participated playing the role as one of those soldiers who were torturing Christ. We all have sins, and Jesus wouldn't have to go through all those beatings if it isn't for these sins we have. We are the one who play the roles of those soldiers sending him up the cross... seeing that in action just how brutal it really is compare to just what's written in words is just very moving and astonishing.

lol, You shouldn't be paying attention to me during a movie anyway. =b I... really don't remember if I was crying or not but I guess I understand why most people would be. Christ died for us believers. That's really something to be joyful and thankful for, if you ask me, and not something to be sad about!

All those slashes on Him... that servant who made sure Jesus was dead on the cross, and those cruel out of control people were pretty sad though.

The movie was beautiful, at times, I'll not be more specific. Ohh, shoot it's so late now. =( I better go.

Jess April 14th, 2004 8:41 AM

heh.. I have heard the story of Jesus a zillion x a zillion x.x Every x-mas I here about the birth and Easter about the death.. And my church pounds it into ya mind every year x.x

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga
Why has God ever done violence? He has only done violence when it has been necessary to do so if his church on earth is in absolute danger of being irradicated. Thus, the great flood, Soddom and Gommorah, etc. In those instances, the church was on the verge of destruction and God had the need to reassert himself. Long, long ago he was in communication with some choice followers in the continued effort for humans to safely establish the church so that they may spread their faith.

~Chairman Kaga

well then why does he create rapists? or murderers? or killers? or gangsters? or evil people that do arm to others? whatbout adolf hitler, why did god create him?
well my secondary theory listed could explain that right?

Jess April 14th, 2004 8:49 AM

heh... The cool thing is God knew that everything in the future would happen.He knew when ya were gonna wake up this morning. XD! And he knew Hitler was gonan be a stupid person..And that Saddam was gonna get captured, and that 9/11 was gonna happen x.x

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 8:55 AM

then my question is, what kind of god whould allow that and for what reasons? why would he allow mass murders, killings, executions?
by the way i myself am a christian

Jess April 14th, 2004 8:56 AM

heh.. Im no Minister/Preacher/Pastor ...If ya is a Christian then ask ya Minister/Preacher person x.x

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 8:58 AM

no im sending this question out to all who opposed me in this discussion...
ill repeat it why would god create killers, murderes, wars, plauge, death, adolf hitler, sadaam husane, osa bin laden, pearl harbour? why would he allow that?

Greed April 14th, 2004 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wing_Zero
no im sending this question out to all who opposed me in this discussion...
ill repeat it why would god create killers, murderes, wars, plauge, death, adolf hitler, sadaam husane, osa bin laden, pearl harbour? why would he allow that?

God has not allowed it, the Enemy has gotten into their heads. God's intentions for all of us to be pure, unfourtunately, the Enemy wants to make us bad. And besides, that's why God gave us a conscience. To know from good or bad.

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Originally Posted by latiosspudd
Who created god then?

That is a question that still remains unanswered in my head @@;

*dies*

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 9:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CaRtOON
God has not allowed it, the Enemy has gotten into their heads. God's intentions for all of us to be pure, unfourtunately, the Enemy wants to make us bad. And besides, that's why God gave us a conscience. To know from good or bad.

*dies*

you never answered my question...you just said something insane...
you admit that god is the ultimate power and creator of man, based on what you have previously said.
now when i ask you why he created these evil people you say the "enemy has gotten into their heads." that makes no sence considering god creted all man, including the enimy...so your just saying something thats didnt answer my question, as if your trying to evade it..

Greed April 14th, 2004 9:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
you never answered my question...you just said something insane...
you admit that god is the ultimate power and creator of man, based on what you have previously said.
now when i ask you why he created these evil people you say the "enemy has gotten into their heads." that makes no sence considering god creted all man, including the enimy...so your just saying something thats didnt answer my question, as if your trying to evade it..

Hypocrite.. Yes, God created the enemy, but the enemy was an angel! He turned against the Good Dude, and decided to rule the world. God DID not allow bad guys, WE HAVE.. They have! God ain't some meanie who's gonna control their minds, those bad guys went bad cus they decided it! GET IT?! And don't call whatever I said insane, that's insulting my beliefs too.. --;;

*dies*

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 9:57 AM

you said that god, the surpreim being knows out destiny and creates us knowing the outcome of the world...if that is the case then how could WE have created the enimy if god had destined it to happen this way?

Greed April 14th, 2004 9:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
you said that god, the surpreim being knows out destiny and creates us knowing the outcome of the world...if that is the case then how could WE have created the enimy if god had destined it to happen this way?

I'll answer it when I get back, the school bell rang.I have to go, darn..

*dies*

katiobod April 14th, 2004 10:00 AM

you post mad fast wing. I'm in school right now so i can't stay long

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 10:02 AM

CaRtOON how come i have the feeling your trying to avoid me?
ps- your not the most hated girl on PC your one of the coolest ive met, with a brilliant mind, your the best to have a discussion with ~_^

Chairman Kaga April 14th, 2004 1:06 PM

Allow me to explain to the best of my understanding, Wing.

God originally had to intention of allowing things to happen on Earth, because in his original plan there would be no such thing as sin. But, the angel Lucifer desired God's power, and since he could not attain it, he managed to get a third of the angels of heaven to become separatists, and thus the angels fell and became demons, Lucifer became Satan. God had set an ultimate test up for Adam and Eve, one of faithfulness. The tree of knowledge was off limits in the Garden of Eden to man. Why was it off limits? For no reason except that God wanted to see if man would obey him, and there was no reason for man not to obey God until Eve was tempted by Satan in the form of a snake, and since man failed the test of faithfulness, sin was allowed in the world. Since God punished man by making him imperfect, he was now suceptible to the influence of evil. Only a perfect being, that being God, cannot be corrupted by Satanic influence. Why does God allow horrible things to happen on earth? He is a caring God (if he wasn't than we would either have been destroyed long ago or we would be slaves) but also one of justice, and man is being made to go through these horrors for the first disobedience. We did not create the evil which is destroying us, and neither did God. Also, there is no destiny. God knows which choices we will make, but we make our own choices, not influenced by him (unless we ask for guidance, where He can give us ideas which may change our entire future.) So, this is why we go through what we go through...this is merely justice for our disobediance.

~Chairman Kaga

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 1:09 PM

fine but god created us knowing our deastiny if they were destined to diobey then he knew they would...
also, is it just me that thinks its sadistic or ludacrist that just for one set of peoples doings we are all condemned to eternal suffering through god just for having adam and eve disobey?

Chairman Kaga April 14th, 2004 1:17 PM

Those faithful are only condemned to suffering on earth. Remember that heaven place, eh? God Himself does not inflict suffering on us. We are left to our own devices, and whatever happens happens.

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 1:18 PM

then what about destiny...doesnt it say that we are predestined before we come to earth?

Chairman Kaga April 14th, 2004 1:26 PM

Only the Puritans, a now-extinct division of Christianity, believed in predestination...all the rest of us these days believe that we make our own choices in life.

Greed April 14th, 2004 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing Zero
CaRtOON how come i have the feeling your trying to avoid me?
ps- your not the most hated girl on PC your one of the coolest ive met, with a brilliant mind, your the best to have a discussion with ~_^

Dun worry, I ain't avoiding ya, I'm back. The school bell rang and I had to get to class, >__<;; And thanks for your comment, it made my day! ^-^ You're a pretty good debator too, they are really brain poppers. XD Anyways, about your question..

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you said that god, the surpreim being knows out destiny and creates us knowing the outcome of the world...if that is the case then how could WE have created the enimy if god had destined it to happen this way?
Ah yes, about that.. errr... This is hard, hmmm.. Well, my Mum told me that since God has a good destiny for all of us. Only if we choose to follow it. By that, I guess it means that if we wanna become bad guys, our destiny will be bad. I guess it depends on what someone feels it determines their destiny. Be good, you'll have it good, be bad, you'll have it bad. ^^; That's the best answer I can give @@; I know, I know, my answers are not always good ^^;

Actually, these kinds of debates don't ever have an end. Maybe because we don't have answers, and when we do, more questions arise. Its confusing, darn it! >_<

*dies*

Wing Zero April 14th, 2004 3:07 PM

but we agreed at one point that are destiny is pre set...see thats why i dont belive destiny is preset, even though im a christian doesnt mean i follow the book by ALL the rules... theres a little atehist in me....*doges bible*... plz dont kill me, theres method to my madness...

Dizzy April 14th, 2004 3:13 PM

I'm actually afraid of God @[email protected], I don't know why, but Since CapeVerdeans and Portuguese people have weird stories to tell about stuff lol They tell me stories about how God kills you if He dont like you and crap, but then they say that if you eat and take a bath later you'll die!

Greed April 14th, 2004 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wing_Zero
but we agreed at one point that are destiny is pre set...see thats why i dont belive destiny is preset, even though im a christian doesnt mean i follow the book by ALL the rules... theres a little atehist in me....*doges bible*... plz dont kill me, theres method to my madness...

I don't follow the Book by all its rules. Heck, I'm not a good example of a Christian mehself =P I believe in God, but I just can't do all those rules. Too many restrictions.. Actually, I don't think I'll ever be a good Christian. The only reason I read the Bible or go to church is cus mah mum makes me do it >_<;

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Originally Posted by Dizzy
I'm actually afraid of God @[email protected], I don't know why, but Since CapeVerdeans and Portuguese people have weird stories to tell about stuff lol They tell me stories about how God kills you if He dont like you and crap, but then they say that if you eat and take a bath later you'll die!

I know how you feel. I have this terrible fear of going to H***. I thought everyone who died rested in peace, but the Bible says does who are bad, go down. Darn it! I done too many bad things, and the thing I was most looking forward to death was to rest in peace. How is that suppoused to happen if a H*** exists? X_x;;

*dies*

Chairman Kaga April 14th, 2004 5:11 PM

One of the biggest parts of Christianity is repenting and salvation...if you pledge your life to following the rules in the Bible to the best of your ability through the action of baptism, then as long as you try to do the right thing you need have no fear of ****. A lot of people know about the bad things and the scary things in Christianity, but there's also the good part, the repentence/salvation part.

Oh, and God does not strike people down these days. As I said before, He only did that long ago when there were individuals who were threats to the certain destruction of the church.

I'm so glad I'm able to give such accurate information ^_^

~Chairman Kaga

22sa April 14th, 2004 6:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CaRtOON
I don't follow the Book by all its rules. Heck, I'm not a good example of a Christian mehself =P I believe in God, but I just can't do all those rules. Too many restrictions.. Actually, I don't think I'll ever be a good Christian. The only reason I read the Bible or go to church is cus mah mum makes me do it >_<;


I know how you feel. I have this terrible fear of going to H***. I thought everyone who died rested in peace, but the Bible says does who are bad, go down. Darn it! I done too many bad things, and the thing I was most looking forward to death was to rest in peace. How is that suppoused to happen if a H*** exists? X_x;;

*dies*

Well... bad can simply be spoiled good. Those who goto h*ll are those who are not ultamitely concerned, in other words..... without faith.

Greed April 15th, 2004 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chairman_Kaga
One of the biggest parts of Christianity is repenting and salvation...if you pledge your life to following the rules in the Bible to the best of your ability through the action of baptism, then as long as you try to do the right thing you need have no fear of ****. A lot of people know about the bad things and the scary things in Christianity, but there's also the good part, the repentence/salvation part.

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Well... bad can simply be spoiled good. Those who goto h*ll are those who are not ultamitely concerned, in other words..... without faith.
Well, I do feel bad for my sins (and they're very VERY bad..) but my mum says that ain't enough to go to heaven. My church also says very few people will go to heaven.. What are the chances of just anyone going there? ;-; But you two got pretty good points! ^_^

*dies*

Dizzy April 15th, 2004 2:35 PM

But the thing is everyone has a couple really bad sins.. So pretty much no one would go to heaven... I already know I'm not going to heaven but nothing good happens to me anyways, I only have like 3 years left of life.

Wing Zero April 15th, 2004 2:36 PM

sometimes i think religion is just a means of controll...they sut restricitions, which inderectly affect law, etc. they peobably chage the religious books to meet the deamnds of the current people...there is NO way the bible is the same as it was when it was first written...

Dizzy April 15th, 2004 2:38 PM

The Gaian Texts fortold Jesus' existance so it must be true :) Gaianism was an offshoot of Greek Paganism from many thousand years ago.. It was considered a cult though.

Greed April 15th, 2004 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dizzy
But the thing is everyone has a couple really bad sins.. So pretty much no one would go to heaven... I already know I'm not going to heaven but nothing good happens to me anyways, I only have like 3 years left of life.

You do have a point. ^^ I dunno how many years of life I have left @@; But I have a hunch I'll be either killed by someone, or I'll blow mah brains out. XD Either of the two, but I think I'll most probably be killed by someone else =P

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Originally Posted by Wing_Zero
they peobably chage the religious books to meet the deamnds of the current people...there is NO way the bible is the same as it was when it was first written...

I think so too. The Bible is against homosexualism, NOW THAT I think is plain bogus. I think some stupid homophobe wrote that in. They do nuthin' to people, but yet, the Bible says they'll burn >__<;; The Bible most probably has some additional things added, that's for sure.

*dies*

Chairman Kaga April 15th, 2004 2:45 PM

Some churches believe that only the purest of the pure and most pious of the pious Christians will ever go to heaven, but I firmly believe they're wrong. In the Bible it says that one can enter the kingdom of heaven if they have "the faith of a mustard seed"...do you know how big a mustard seed is? A little bigger than this period >>> . Faith is faith, and all people have faults...I'm a Christian myself but very far from perfect. The plan for salvation, as I said, is simple. The act of baptism, symbolic of shedding off your old life and pledging your life to Christ, is all you need. Even if you have just the smallest amount of faith but hold that faith strongly and strive to follow the way, that's enough. Your dedication to your belief and the act of baptism is all you need.

~Chairman Kaga

Dizzy April 15th, 2004 2:46 PM

Actually that actually came from Sodomites and since Gays have Sodomite Sex.. There all considered Sodomites I guess.... But thats freekin stupid.. RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION.. The Church needs to be Reformed into the Church of Rome.. Aka Neo-Roman Catholocism

Dizzy April 15th, 2004 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga
Some churches believe that only the purest of the pure and most pious of the pious Christians will ever go to heaven, but I firmly believe they're wrong. In the Bible it says that one can enter the kingdom of heaven if they have "the faith of a mustard seed"...do you know how big a mustard seed is? A little bigger than this period >>> . Faith is faith, and all people have faults...I'm a Christian myself but very far from perfect. The plan for salvation, as I said, is simple. The act of baptism, symbolic of shedding off your old life and pledging your life to Christ, is all you need. Even if you have just the smallest amount of faith but hold that faith strongly and strive to follow the way, that's enough. Your dedication to your belief and the act of baptism is all you need.

~Chairman Kaga

Sorry for the Double post.

Uhh you would know you are related to Louis the Pious King of The Holy Roman Empire. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE


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