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Squarewalker October 17th, 2005 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by elitefour_protector
Flare: My Skarmbliss counter, FT kills Skarm and HP kills Bliss. It is also a physical sweeper and my T-Tar counter.

I really wouldn't call Flareon a Tyranitar counter, especially since it has salac, which means it is going to get owned by the sandstorm once you endure, as well as your other 2 berry abusers. Boah is just going to Sub on the switch and FP it, while Dragon Dance Tyranitar is even worse, since once it gets a DD in, it can OHKO or 2HKO everything on your team.

Not a bad team overall, but you really need to get a proper TTar counter; and once Zapdos falls, Suicune will also be a problem..
Also, use Lefties on Zapdos and Dusclops.

Espy Psyche October 18th, 2005 7:54 AM

I only thought about HP Fight OHKOing T-Tar. And it does work if the timing is right.

I have ran into Suicune trouble. Dusclops can C Ray and WoW it to try to outstall it and attack with Shadow Ball. And Zard, after some damage is done, can endure a Surf and hit it with HP Grass powered up by Peyata. If I forgot to change my Zard's nature to Timid, I need to fix that. Timid Endure/Peyata>Modest.

Ham October 18th, 2005 8:02 AM

lol, outstalling Suicune. what a laugh that joke was!

BTW, T-tar problems. if the thing even comes in you have problems. too many endurers.

Espy Psyche October 18th, 2005 8:15 AM

Is there something other than salac sweeper that flare can be? Such as bp some speed via Jask and sweep w/out salac?
Maybe I should replace Clops with this:
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Sub
Protect
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

Sub up until almost dead, then BP to Flare and sweep(Varia of JaskWak). No salac, no problem with T-Tar. Does use as a skarmbliss counter work though?

Also, the point of the "outstall Suicune" was to confuse and burn it and attack until dusclops dies and hope i did enough damage for Zard to finish with HP Grass.

Pax Deorum October 18th, 2005 8:38 AM

Suicune will Rest before you finish him off, it'll take a while for Dusclops to damage Suicune enough to allow your Charizard to kill him

Synchronize October 18th, 2005 9:24 AM

And another thing about ninjask. It's pathetic; a given, but i'm not talking about that right now. I'm tired of seeing Jasks with protect. There's no point in it. If your passing speed, substitute is fine on its own. I mean, you don't need to pass more than 2-4 speed boosts anyway for anything you would pass SD to.

Some people argue about saving HP to use it again. That's bs. You should really only have to use it once, maybe twice. Besides, With Silver Wind/HP Bug you can at least OHKO any zams out there and help your team out. Hell you could Even save SDs for jask so Silver Wind can knowck out a ttar or something, or maybe even pass the stat boosts.

Espy Psyche October 18th, 2005 11:00 AM

The point of it is for the Rock Blast users that "are so common in the current metagame." I don't think so, but I knew I'd take flak either way.

Loyal Arcanine October 18th, 2005 12:50 PM

I'd like to say another thing on outstalling Suicune. You simply can't get it's HP low enough for Charizard to finish with HP Grass. Why? Because one of Suicune's main moves while stalling is Calm Mind. So unless you get it at 10% ... it owns you.

Espy Psyche October 19th, 2005 7:11 AM

Maybe I need something else to kill it. But that is one weakness. I see one more--Lax. What else? Skarmbliss is no problem for Flare, or is Weezing for Espy. I see no other glaring weaknesses, except for a water weakness that is countered by Zappy or Zard's HP Grass.

Any other weaknesses that anyone notices?

Synchronize October 19th, 2005 7:38 AM

Maybe add some tanks, as in today's metagame, it's not all about how you attack, but mostly how you can defend yourself. Then when you get a chance, you strike hard and fast, then lather, rinse, and repeat.

Espy Psyche October 19th, 2005 8:21 AM

You are a defender and I am an attacker. Besides, Dusclops is a double tank. IB is only for dragons.

Synchronize October 19th, 2005 9:35 AM

Dusclops is annoying as a wall, but it doesn't necessarily tank like skarmory can. Most tanks have natural resistances/immunities to the things they are tanking against, like Skarm is ammune to poison and ground, and resists Normal, Ghost, Bug, and just about all physical moves, making it a physical tank. dusclops, however, is just a frikin annoying wall. It's still good, don't get me wrong, but it's not necessarily a tank. And although you could count it as a tank if u really thought about it, your moveset for it didn't seem too tankish.

Ham October 19th, 2005 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elitefour_protector
You are a defender and I am an attacker. Besides, Dusclops is a double tank. IB is only for dragons.

you are a loser and he is a winner then.

today's OU battles are all about stalling and withering until you can find a way to exploit a weakness in a team and sweep it. if you use all out attacks, you will be losing HP and PP needed to do this late game sweep. I know from personal experience this is how OU works.

Espy Psyche October 19th, 2005 11:12 AM

Why do you constantly flame when you know it can land you in the same group as g80(banned)?

Shadow Tyranitar October 19th, 2005 11:31 AM

e4protector is right. Ham, you really need to grow up. Why are you flaming people for not being complete masters at pokemon? You were at the same level as e4 protector is now, as was everybody else on netbattle. While I would prefer that e4protector didn't rate any teams until s/he is more knowledgable of the current metagame/movesets/strategies/etc, that doesn't mean that s/he should be flamed. S/he hasn't done anything to you or anybody else, all s/he's done is posted a team to help her/him improve. If you have to resort to all caps, insults, and swear words just to get your point across, then you fail at life far more than e4protector does.

Ham October 19th, 2005 4:18 PM

it's funny really.

heaven forbid the truth be flaming.

do you want to remain in your little dream world where people are all nice and use clean language? too bad.

Shadow Tyranitar October 19th, 2005 4:24 PM

not only did you just call yourself mean and an asshole, but you didn't disagree with anything i said in my last post. nice comeback.

Ham October 19th, 2005 4:35 PM

what? why would I deny the truth? I really have no reason to.

jc_rcw October 19th, 2005 4:42 PM

Ok stop flaming please, don't start a fight.

Ham October 19th, 2005 4:45 PM

well, I don't see where I flamed in this thread.

of course, it's as old as hell.

Shadow Tyranitar October 19th, 2005 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ham
n00bish action 1. keeping Charizard in on what obviously has Thunderbolt.



n00bish action #2. lol shell bell.



luck-out in your favor. #1



you actually do.



there actually was with Meatgross missing.



DID YOU EVER BOTHER TO THINK IT WAS BECAUSE HE FORGOT TO GET A COUNTER TO A STRATEGY THAT NO ONE EVER USES ANYMORE?



yeah. it's suprising how shitty you are. 1-0 is NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT, EVEN WITH A STATEGY HE HAD NO COUNTER FOR AND THIS SUPPOSED 'SUPRISE ELEMENT.'

shut the **** up, plz.

That's where you started. Anyway jc_rw is right, no need to start a fight.

jc_rcw October 19th, 2005 4:55 PM

Yeah please stop or I will have to call a mod in

leafgreen386 October 19th, 2005 5:26 PM

Wow. Who cares? Flames.

Ooh.

Ahh.

*audience applauds after ooh-ing and ahh-ing*

If you can't take an e-insult, you are one sad person. THEY R GONNA HURT ME OVER TEH INTERNETS LOLZ!!!1!!!!1!!!!1!!! Get a life.

The world isn't a friendly place. If you think it is, you've been living in a hole for too long. If all of the same people who are in the real world are on the internet, why would you think the internet should be any friendlier?

Quote:

Ok stop flaming please, don't start a fight.
lol

Quote:

Yeah please stop or I will have to call a mod in
lol x2

OH NOES! HE'S GONNA TELL ON US! "Fights" over the intarweb are lol.

Quote:

Why do you constantly flame when you know it can land you in the same group as g80(banned)?
Why do ask questions you already know the answers to?

Espy Psyche October 20th, 2005 7:12 AM

Actually, I don't know why you continue to flame when you saw g80 banned for it. The staff will ban you because flaming is against the rules. If everyone followed the rules, everyone would be happier. You do have the right to disagree with me, just not ot flame me. (God someone needs to make me a mod so i can ban you myself......)

EDIT: Shadow T-Tar, you should look at people's profiles. It clearly says that I am male. There is no need to type s/he.

Synchronize October 20th, 2005 7:20 AM

.......................................Stupidity is the leading cause of the teenage death toll.


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