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Crazy Packers Fan April 30th, 2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alakazam17 (Post 4595901)
And hmm, as this is the Sabrina club, perhaps I should mention her in here too, XD. At long last, I get another chapter from her perspective. And perhaps those SHIRONA!!! flashbacks you've been asking about. ^_^

Well of course I want to see Cynthia even more... so I'll be most definitely looking forward to seeing her show up.

Psychic*Absol April 30th, 2009 11:01 AM

Shiro-Cynthia flashbacks--> possible ways for me to re-interpret this in yuri ways. Hehehe...
After long last, first part of your review, CPF. Like I said, I'm multi-tasking, so, my typo rate has increased. x.x

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Already having missed Sabrina’s company for a month
*cough three months cough* Aww, poor guy. ;.;
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It must have cost a fortune, he thought.

Only about three trillion yen, a response came to him.
Cynthia's a naughty little mind reader.
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Come inside, boy, she added.
Now all men are just 'boy' for her? No names anymore?
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But did this mean Cynthia could not read his mind and figure out that he was hiding Sabrina in a ball? He was doing all he could to block her from reading his mind, but surely it could not be enough…
First, apparently, Cynthia really cannot feel Sabrina from inside the ball. o,o Weird for someone as powerful as her. Secondly...she cannot read Will's mind? WTF?
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“Now, for the final proof of Sabrina’s death…” she said, “kiss me.”
I KNEW HE WOULD KISS ANOTHER WOMAN, I KNEW HE WOULD!!! Hahaha, in your face, coincidence! XD
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I made a promise to Sabrina… that I’d never kiss another woman as long as I live!
He kissed Erica...>>
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Surely Sabrina would not want him to sacrifice his life over something as simple as a kiss, or would she?
I wouldn't be so sure...
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he realized that Cynthia was a much better kisser than Sabrina.
I can imagine...*pictures flood mind*....P*A dazes off in daydreams... ...Sabrina is still a better kisser. Just less experienced. XD!
Other part will be in the other club. =3

Crazy Packers Fan April 30th, 2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4595961)
Shiro-Cynthia flashbacks

You know, "shiro" means "white" in Japanese... so that would mean "White-Cynthia." And I think she much prefers black.

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Now all men are just 'boy' for her? No names anymore?
Something I love doing with Cynthia, simply calling them "boy." She even used Lucian as a footstool!
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...Sabrina is still a better kisser. Just less experienced. XD!
Very important, that Will prefers Cynthia as a kisser. I don't think Sabrina will like that very much!

Psychic*Absol April 30th, 2009 11:52 AM

....heheh, didn't know that. XD Originally, I wanted to say Shirona, but then, a certain someone would have used my trademark cry again, so I changed it in the middle. Didn't know that it would turn out so funnily. XD
...she did. >>
No, Sabrina will not like this very much. Niehter will she like being awaked and immideately be killed by Cynthia because now certain queen knows that she's still alive. Will is, for once, dumb. Very dumb. Argh. >< Lossing his wife over a simple kiss that didn't really need to be mentioned. >.<

Crazy Packers Fan April 30th, 2009 3:01 PM

Well, he's not just letting her out over that, he's letting her out because he misses her. He's gone three months without seeing her. And besides, maybe he can hide the kiss from her long enough that it won't be a problem...

Psychic*Absol May 1st, 2009 8:45 AM

I know, I know, but he will miss her even more if Cynthia kills Sabrina just because her FRIGGIN STUPID HUSBAND let her out just to see her again when it was their WHOLE FRIGGIN plan to let her stay in as long as danger, aka Cynthia, is out there. >>
Yeah, he hides it from her for two minutes, then Cynthia comes in and kills her. Problem solved. >>

Crazy Packers Fan May 1st, 2009 7:42 PM

Hey, you're acting like the writer is incompetent here... relax, I've got it all under control.

Psychic*Absol May 2nd, 2009 8:28 AM

No, no, no, not the writer is incompetent, the character is! XD It's kinda stupid f Will to do this, that's what I mean. It has nothign to do with your writing, since writer =/= character. =3 (Though sometimes I wish I were Will...you know why...0=) )

Crazy Packers Fan May 2nd, 2009 9:51 AM

So basically you plan on blaming Sabrina's imminent death, if there happened to be one, on Will. Makes sense, though I think you'd have to blame the writer first. I'll post that chapter sometime when I'm on my computer.

Psychic*Absol May 2nd, 2009 10:30 AM

Well, yes, I would blame it on Will and Cynthia, but that one is obvious, there's no one else who would/could kill her that easily..
Thing is....characters do stuff that authors don't approve. At least that's my philosophy. I got attacked for something one of my characters did (opening a grave and stealing something from it) by a reader and that's when I formed this rule for myself. My characters do things I would never do, either because these thigns digust me, I don't approve them, I don't want to break rules, I'm too shy, or heck, just because I don't want to. I'm not my characters and they can do whatever they want (kinda). So that's why I blame Will, and not you. ^.^

Crazy Packers Fan May 2nd, 2009 11:44 AM

Okay, I'm glad you won't blame me. It is my fault that Cynthia is evil, though, that's something that no one thought of before me. But you're right, my characters a lot of times do things that I would never do.

Psychic*Absol May 2nd, 2009 12:16 PM

XD Of course not, why should I blame yo---wait, does that mean that Sabrina *will* be killed? Oo Okay, in that case, I might get a bit angry at you...XD!

...or they do things you would like to do? 0=)

Crazy Packers Fan May 3rd, 2009 7:37 AM

Sorry, I can't find the pictures of those Sabrina cosplayers.

Do you want me to post the new chapter today? I think I have it ready if you want to see it.

Psychic*Absol May 3rd, 2009 8:22 AM

Ah, no problem, I will find some Sabrina cosplayers one day. Or rather, some more cosplayers, as I have already found a few on deviantart. But, so far, only there. >> (And weird other internet sources I cannot name, because they lack a name. o,o)

...why do you even ask me if I want to see the new chapter? XD Isn't my answer kind of obvious?

Crazy Packers Fan May 3rd, 2009 12:47 PM

Okay, it's up now, maybe you've seen it by now.

Psychic*Absol May 4th, 2009 11:16 AM

I guess some part of the review will have to come here...*mutters something quietly about a certain husband she still believes to be completely stupid*
Title: Whoah, there *is* a song that has 'Run to you' as the chorus. o,o Though I doubt you know it. "7 years&50 days" by Groove Coverage. o,o And it has something to do with lovers being apart. Hm....
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“Just let her out!” Liza exclaimed.

“But then Cynthia will kill her!” Will replied.

“So what?” Liza joked.

“So-”
I haven't figured out yet if I should hate Liza or Will more now...
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“So, have you figured a way to stop Cynthia?” Sabrina asked.
*hides* No.
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“I missed my birthday!” she screamed.
XD! Ah, so I'm not the only one who remembered!
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“Will, what’s been going on the last few months?” she asked.

“Nothing, really…” Will replied.
'Nothing' is an understatement.
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“I sure didn’t marry you for your brains.”
XD!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, she didn't, she's no zombie. =2
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Liza held out Roxette to Sabrina. “Look, she wants to see her mother,” Liza said.

Sabrina held her daughter happily. “I’m so happy to see you,” she said.
Awwww....=3
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She then gave a suspicious look to Will. “You’re hiding something from me, aren’t you?”

Will stepped back, in a bit of surprise. “No, no, not at all!” he replied.
No, of course not, what should he hide from her...>>
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“Um… happy belated birthday,” he said.

“That’s not going to be enough to weasel your way out of this one,” Sabrina replied.
XD! That joke is *so* going to be in my future fic, too. Poor Will, some things never change and some things can be inheritated. 0=)
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I will find out what you’re hiding.
And you won't be happy about what you find.
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In a flash, she slapped him across the face, then turned away and stomped out the front door of their house.

“She was going to kill me!” Will protested.
And now either Sabrina is going to kill you or Cynthia kills her. There will be corpses one way or the other.
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Will met Sabrina outside, where she was sitting on the ground, crying.
;.; Awwwwww......
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“It’s not just that you kissed her,” Sabrina replied. “It was your thoughts while kissing her.”
...even I can't deny that. >>
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“You fool, I wish you were dead! I have no place in my life for you!”
...-_- She's not that dumb, is she?
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“I’ve done all I could to save you, Sabrina,” Will stated. “You’re on your own now.”
Okay, she is dumb and married a dumb man. Poor Roxy.
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“Give me my daughter,” Sabrina said. “I’m going to live with my parents.”

“She’s my flesh and blood,” Will replied. “She shall live with me.”
She belongs to 'both' of you, not only one! >.<
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“Oh, come on, you’d break up over something like this?”

Liza appeared between the bickering couple, holding onto Roxette.
^.^ *pats Liza happily*
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“So you know all our secret conversations?” Sabrina asked.

“Not all of them, just… most of them,” Liza replied mischievously.
And not only these.
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“I guess if I had the chance to kiss Lucian, I’d do the same.”
Yet Lucian's not that much of a good kisser. 0=)
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Will gave her a quick wave without smiling, as he clearly did not want to see her.
Rather, as his wife did not want him to see her.
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opened the door to reveal Roxanne as well as two others – Cynthia’s grandparents.
OMG- Zombies!!!! *runs away*
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She then bowed her head before Carolina.
Me does not like Sabrina bowing. To anyone.
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“I am one of the chosen ones,” she bragged. “And perhaps, so are some of you… so I ask now, each of you, to take the pearl… and find out if you are chosen as well.”
Interesting...

Other part in the other fanclub. =3

Crazy Packers Fan May 4th, 2009 2:19 PM

So Sabrina survives, and actually it did not even cross my mind, the thought of her dying, through this whole chapter. I began to miss her, which is why I had Will take her out of the ball. Maybe this will keep me from thinking of killing her off in the future...

Sabrina will always bow to Cynthia and her family.

Also, I couldn't bear to see Sabrina and Will break up, so I quickly had Liza come in and straighten things out. She can be helpful at times, like this one.

Psychic*Absol May 5th, 2009 11:12 AM

...o,o it didn't even cross your mind?! WTF?!?!? And all this time, I have been worrying about Sabrina. >>
Okay, if missing her keeps you from killing her, then let Will force her into that ball a few more times. XD! Every chapter that Cynthia tries to kill her in, best. =3

No, she won't always bow to them. 0=)

I couldn't have beared to see this, too (heck why they quickly got together in my fic, too- plus, it gives you the chance to write amazing cuddle and fluffy scenes 0=) ), so that's why I patted Liza this time. She's not as bratty as she seems to be...at least today. XD

Crazy Packers Fan May 6th, 2009 3:42 AM

She's probably not going back in that ball for the rest of the story... and I almost gave away something about the next chapter here, because I forgot it wasn't up yet.

Yes, she will!

We got some fluffy scenes as well as an argument, so I'd say it was a pretty good chapter for the development of their marriage.

Psychic*Absol May 6th, 2009 11:31 AM

Hm, so her not going back is a important plot thing? Hopefully, not her death... Meh, I rather guess the ball gets destroyed or something. That would at least by the best solution for me, no danger of dying for sweet Sabrina. 0=)

No, she won't.

XD Well, I would have spend a few chapters on this development, knowing my tendency to write ten sentences where one would be enough, but I won't complain about fluffy scenes and marriage development. *g* There's no way to tell which way's better. ^^

Crazy Packers Fan May 8th, 2009 3:18 AM

What makes you think Sabrina's going to get her way against Cynthia and stop bowing to her? Cynthia's going to be around a long time...

Yes, but if there were a few chapters of the argument, it would slow down the plot, and it would possibly be a really bad argument that wouldn't be so easy to recover from. So I like the way it turned out better.

Psychic*Absol May 8th, 2009 10:45 AM

(Before I post anything, just let me say that school killed me, I got a nasty headache AND I feel ill. x.x If you want a review for any soon-to-be-posted chapter or something, don't expect it any sooner than Tuesday. x.x)

Well, first, Cynthia won't be around forever and second, who says that Sabrina will get her way against her?

Heheh, drama, baby, drama! (No one will recognise this....>>). I love playing with people's love, and I love seing it being played with. Well, at least as long as I know that they will end up together again. ^.~ It usually ends up with even more romantic, fluffy scenes, just like it happened in your fic (and in mine).

Crazy Packers Fan May 8th, 2009 2:07 PM

Didn't Cynthia become immortal? Or are you going to do something to break her immortality?

It's always nice for a little fluff. Sometimes, though, I have to move on to other parts of the plot. And I guess I'll wait until Tuesday to post the next chapter of my fic.

Psychic*Absol May 9th, 2009 1:08 PM

Yes, she did become immortal, but will she be immortal forever? Or is immortal simply a synonym for forever young? Is this even a hint? You'll have to wait until I friggin finish Spring's Revenge and start The Golden Prince.

Meh, I wish I could read the chapter to cheer me up, yet, I can understand that you want the review directly after the chapter. I'm so sorry that I feel too ill to write one right now, but even if I tried, it wouldn't be such a good review.

On the topic side...well, the hottest new topic right now is OF COURSE HG/SS. Any idea on the 'new' Sabrina there? =3

Crazy Packers Fan May 10th, 2009 3:24 PM

Hopefully Sabrina has dark green hair and looks like her anime self. Then hopefully she's one of the strongest people in Kanto - I remember that she was one of the first Kanto gym leaders to go down in Gold/Silver, because you arrive at Saffron sooner. And what if, *gasp*, we get some background information on her life? Even just a couple sentences, a small hint? It would be epic.

Psychic*Absol May 11th, 2009 9:09 AM

If I remember right, her FR/LG sprite looked game-like, so no green hair. >>
I hope for this, too, but I fear it will come down to her being one of the weaker gym leaders again, beceause Saffron could again be one of the cities you visit early. The second next to Vermillion, right? It's been so long since I last played Crystal.... (that, and I never *wanted* to beat Sabrina right away...*coughs*)

*gasp*...well, we did get a bit of background information of her over the span of the games. XD! She got her powers when she was a child, and she distastes battling. And she got a fan me on the Sevi Islands. A bit more information, though, wouldn't hurt.
And please, more information on Will. ;.;

Crazy Packers Fan May 11th, 2009 10:16 AM

I will be disappointed if the games give little information on Sabrina and Will, even worse if they just repeat their lines from the previous games. There better be an all-out effort to make these ones good, that's for sure.

Psychic*Absol May 11th, 2009 10:49 AM

Yeah, I would be disappointed, too, but wasn't this the case with FR/LG, just a repeating of the old lines? I don't remember so well. Of course, to bring nothing new would be very stupid of the game creators, even FR/LG had something new (and, well, a new fan for Sabrina XD). In the end, we can only hope that there will be a few more lines.

Crazy Packers Fan May 11th, 2009 11:03 AM

At least we're getting another game with Sabrina in it, that's not something I had expected for the last few years. Unless, of course, they change the storyline... what if some Sinnoh woman happened to kill off Sabrina?

Psychic*Absol May 11th, 2009 11:56 AM

What, you actually did not see this coming? I kinda did. It was, after a while, getting quite obvious that there would be G/S remakes. I wouldn't have betted on it, though, because there's always a chance they might tried to mislead us, yet, in the end, it was obvious.

...CPF, you've been a good friend of mine for quite a few years now, but if you don't stop annoying me with your "Cynthia will/will not/whatever kill Sabrina", I will quit it. Because it is getting annyoing. >>

Wyyrlokk May 11th, 2009 9:07 PM

Is there still a chance to become a member in this club? If yes, I would like to join in.
Why? Because Sabrina was my favourite Gym leader from the first moment I saw her in the original games (think it was 1998/99) and she is my favourite until today, and tomorrow she will be it, too.
I like her Anime version, but in the PokeSpec manga, she's best in my opinion. xD

At all who fear that she might be under-powered in HGSS: She wasn't weak in GSC. Because it was possible to travel through Kanto in about 30 minutes if you avoid the fights, all Gym leaders had the same level of Pokemon, so none of them was weaker then the others (of all Gym leaders, only Blue had higher-leveled Pokemon). I don't think they change it.
[No doubt that it was pretty easy to beat the Kanto Gym Leaders anyway...]

Crazy Packers Fan May 12th, 2009 4:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4632612)
...CPF, you've been a good friend of mine for quite a few years now, but if you don't stop annoying me with your "Cynthia will/will not/whatever kill Sabrina", I will quit it. Because it is getting annyoing. >>

Okay, I'll stop. I just meant it to be humorous, besides, by now you should know that Sabrina's not going to die.

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At all who fear that she might be under-powered in HGSS: She wasn't weak in GSC.
Hopefully she will be a bit stronger than the rest in the new one, or at least a challenge at that point in the game.

Wyyrlokk May 12th, 2009 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4634705)
Hopefully she will be a bit stronger than the rest in the new one, or at least a challenge at that point in the game.

I doubt she will be stronger than the others, because of course everyone wants his/her favourite gym leader to be stronger than the others, but Nintendo couldn't take care of that. If she's a challenge might be up to you and your methods of training... xD With six Pokemon up to Lv.46 on my team she wasn't hard to defeat, neither one of the other leaders nor Red was. But I really think they should raise the levels of the Kanto gym leaders Pokemon, otherwise it would end up in a slaughter, not in a battle - as it was in my eyes, defeating all of them without any problems or special training. That would make it boring and is unworthy to the leaders (yes, especially to Sabrina...).

Psychic*Absol May 12th, 2009 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4634086)
Is there still a chance to become a member in this club? If yes, I would like to join in....

No, this club is P*A, CPF and Zammy exclusive, LOL Of course you can. ^.~ Heheh, I was waiting for you to join. XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4634086)
I like her Anime version, but in the PokeSpec manga, she's best in my opinion. xD...

Tell me, how did you get the PokeAdventure Mangas? I know only the first three were translated here, so I had to import the others *pats amazon*, but, getting any of the GSC series is a pain. >.<

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4634086)
At all who fear that she might be under-powered in HGSS: She wasn't weak in GSC. Because it was possible to travel through Kanto in about 30 minutes if you avoid the fights, all Gym leaders had the same level of Pokemon, so none of them was weaker then the others (of all Gym leaders, only Blue had higher-leveled Pokemon). I don't think they change it.
[No doubt that it was pretty easy to beat the Kanto Gym Leaders anyway...]

Yeah, well, I guess we think of her as under-powered because we wish Sabrina would be stronger. And that, of course, is a wish all fans have, like you already said. XD Maybe I'm still too influenced from the days when psychic was the strongest type, but then, GSC brought dark, one of my favourite types now.
All in all, I think you're right, they won't change much. But hey, FR/LG had some changes, AND there was something about Sabrina, too.
Not to mention the great possibility of a moving sprite...*.*

Wyyrlokk May 12th, 2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4635335)
No, this club is P*A, CPF and Zammy exclusive, LOL Of course you can. ^.~ Heheh, I was waiting for you to join. XD
Tell me, how did you get the PokeAdventure Mangas? I know only the first three were translated here, so I had to import the others *pats amazon*, but, getting any of the GSC series is a pain. >.<

Thank you sooooo much. ^^
Well, I read 8-9 (the first two of the Johto Arc) here in the Forum (I can give you a link if you don't have already read it). I imported 10-14 directly from Singapore by using Ebay. And 15? Well, I'm going to buy it this week. Sabrina is really gorgeous in this Arc. And her battle against Bugsy was great - winning against a predominant type!

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Yeah, well, I guess we think of her as under-powered because we wish Sabrina would be stronger. And that, of course, is a wish all fans have, like you already said. XD Maybe I'm still too influenced from the days when psychic was the strongest type, but then, GSC brought dark, one of my favourite types now.
All in all, I think you're right, they won't change much. But hey, FR/LG had some changes, AND there was something about Sabrina, too.
Not to mention the great possibility of a moving sprite...*.*
Of course, as her worshipper I wish that she would be stronger than the others. But that is really implausible. Yeah, good old days of B/R, when Psychic was the best you could get. I played it just two weeks ago, and it was great. Psychic was still good in GSC, but not as dominating as in the first Generation. Strangly, Psychic is better in the third Generation. oO I'm looking forward to see how it's going on Diamond, to finish my Challenge.
Yes, more information about her or a moving sprite would be cool (and, in the second case, really verisimilar).

Psychic*Absol May 12th, 2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635500)
Thank you sooooo much. ^^
Well, I read 8-9 (the first two of the Johto Arc) here in the Forum (I can give you a link if you don't have already read it). I imported 10-14 directly from Singapore by using Ebay. And 15? Well, I'm going to buy it this week. Sabrina is really gorgeous in this Arc. And her battle against Bugsy was great - winning against a predominant type! )

Well, I have 1-3 in German (though they already look a tad bit, ah, tattered), then the whole Yellow arc in English (thnx to amazon) and 11/12, I think, in English again, imported though grimsg (that was the name, right?) It's the two volumes with Sabrina bathing (reason why I knew what you meant with gorgeous...the *censoring* though ticks me off, couldn't they have shown her completely naked? Ah, well, fan-bias *g*).
Is there anymore Sabrina in these books aside from her bath and the battle against Bugsy? (Again, I agree with him, she is great there! I love how everything looks as if she gets beaten and then her comeback! Great, just great. Gotta love her powers.)

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635500)
Of course, as her worshipper I wish that she would be stronger than the others. But that is really implausible. Yeah, good old days of B/R, when Psychic was the best you could get. I played it just two weeks ago, and it was great. Psychic was still good in GSC, but not as dominating as in the first Generation. Strangly, Psychic is better in the third Generation. oO I'm looking forward to see how it's going on Diamond, to finish my Challenge.
Yes, more information about her or a moving sprite would be cool (and, in the second case, really verisimilar).

...I can't believe I actually meet a German worshipper of her. XD I thought I was alone in this country. And *now* I know where I know you from! XD The Monotype challenge, right? The thread is by my friend Zammy, and so I checked it, and that's where I found you.
Anyway, back on topic. How is psychic better in the third generation (Hoenn, right I kinda mix them up sometimes)?
Anyone want to take any guesses as how a moving sprite of her would look like? Or what information you would like to have included? FR/LG already started it with their FameChecker, but, I find that information there kinda lacking the important-ness. >> We all *knew* before that she's telepathic. XD

Wyyrlokk May 12th, 2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4635600)
Well, I have 1-3 in German (though they already look a tad bit, ah, tattered), then the whole Yellow arc in English (thnx to amazon) and 11/12, I think, in English again, imported though grimsg (that was the name, right?) It's the two volumes with Sabrina bathing (reason why I knew what you meant with gorgeous...the *censoring* though ticks me off, couldn't they have shown her completely naked? Ah, well, fan-bias *g*).
Is there anymore Sabrina in these books aside from her bath and the battle against Bugsy? (Again, I agree with him, she is great there! I love how everything looks as if she gets beaten and then her comeback! Great, just great. Gotta love her powers.)

I have the first three in German too. ^^
You must have 13 then; the hotspring scene and her battle are in 13, not in 12.
[Thinking by now, I'm quite glad they didn't show her completely. So you could imagine some... details by yourself, and, more important, not every unworthy teenage boy who might read this would claim her as his personal sexual object.]
Her fighting was so good... I was really shocked how predominat Bugsy was, but from that moment Heracross crashed in that invisible wall, it was all wonderful. ^^
No, sadly there are only about four or five more pictures from her, not more. I don't know about 15, but I don't have that many hope.
[From what I understand that far, you like Will, so you might be disappointed that he's wearing a harlequin costume, and is even acting like one... o_O]


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...I can't believe I actually meet a German worshipper of her. XD I thought I was alone in this country. And *now* I know where I know you from! XD The Monotype challenge, right? The thread is by my friend Zammy, and so I checked it, and that's where I found you.
Anyway, back on topic. How is psychic better in the third generation (Hoenn, right I kinda mix them up sometimes)?
Anyone want to take any guesses as how a moving sprite of her would look like? Or what information you would like to have included? FR/LG already started it with their FameChecker, but, I find that information there kinda lacking the important-ness. >> We all *knew* before that she's telepathic. XD
Yes, same here. I nearly thought the same.
You´re perfectly right. I'm quite active at the Monotype Challenge Thread the last time, I thought. But I wouldn't have expect somebody to read what I've written, honestly. ^^"
Psychic is quite better because it seems to have more power, surprisingly. You get better Pokemon (and better TMs to support them), like Gardevoir instead of Hypno. Calm Mind really makes a difference, I nearly beat every gym leader's Pokemon with only one hit! But maybe it's a chestiness by myself that they are stronger as in Gen.2, causing by the fact I'm rushing through the game in an unexpected speed (unexpected by me, at least...).

Psychic*Absol May 12th, 2009 12:51 PM

(Did my post get deleted or what? Oo I saw it before, but now it has disappeared...wtf?)

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635665)
I have the first three in German too. ^^

XD I remember I was like "WTF, what is this series?" when I first got them. Remind you, I started with the anime, not the game.
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You must have 13 then; the hotspring scene and her battle are in 13, not in 12.

...okay, then I have 12/13, I didn't remember the numbers so well. XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635665)
[Thinking by now, I'm quite glad they didn't show her completely. So you could imagine some... details by yourself, and, more important, not every unworthy teenage boy who might read this would claim her as his personal sexual object.]

And teenage girls, plzthx. XD!
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Her fighting was so good... I was really shocked how predominat Bugsy was, but from that moment Heracross crashed in that invisible wall, it was all wonderful. ^^

I read a summary before I got the books, so I knew about the outcome of the battle before. Yet, it was still great. I didn't think they would allow psychic powers in battle, but I guess the Pokemon world has different rules.
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No, sadly there are only about four or five more pictures from her, not more. I don't know about 15, but I don't have that many hope.

>.< And in which volumes? I only have 12/13, as you could see.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635665)
[From what I understand that far, you like Will, so you might be disappointed that he's wearing a harlequin costume, and is even acting like one... o_O]

...Will is my favourite male Pokemon character, and yes, I do know how he acts like (and looks like x.x) in the manga. And I don't like it.
But don't tell that Zammy, he might use it for his advantage. He always makes poor Will a villain. >.<

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Yes, same here. I nearly thought the same.

Well, I guess it was a matter of time till one German fan stumbled over the mountain of a thread. XD!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635665)
You´re perfectly right. I'm quite active at the Monotype Challenge Thread the last time, I thought. But I wouldn't have expect somebody to read what I've written, honestly. ^^"

XD! Hehe, I'm a stalker. Okay, I was stalking Zammy back then...
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Psychic is quite better because it seems to have more power, surprisingly. You get better Pokemon (and better TMs to support them), like Gardevoir instead of Hypno. Calm Mind really makes a difference, I nearly beat every gym leader's Pokemon with only one hit! But maybe it's a chestiness by myself that they are stronger as in Gen.2, causing by the fact I'm rushing through the game in an unexpected speed (unexpected by me, at least...).

...now that I think about it, Hoenn was the only generation where I continouosly used two psychic Pokemon on my team. Yet it was the hardest generation for me, especially the elite four. And I didn't think that psychic was so strong back in Gen1, but well, my training methods were a bit...unusual...

Wyyrlokk May 12th, 2009 1:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4635801)
(Did my post get deleted or what? Oo I saw it before, but now it has disappeared...wtf?)

XD I remember I was like "WTF, what is this series?" when I first got them. Remind you, I started with the anime, not the game.

I wasn't allowed to see the anime when I was a child, so I wasn't preoccupied. xD

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And teenage girls, plzthx. XD!
Girls could do whatever they want. ^^

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Yet, it was still great. I didn't think they would allow psychic powers in battle, but I guess the Pokemon world has different rules.
Why not? It's Mr. Mime's special ability to do so. Sabrina, of course, isn't allowed to use her powers.

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>.< And in which volumes? I only have 12/13, as you could see.
There's one picture of her in 10, a very short scene (3 pictures I guess) in 11 and in 14 all the gym leaders fighting against Team Rocket, so she has some pictures, too. But not many.

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...Will is my favourite male Pokemon character, and yes, I do know how he acts like (and looks like x.x) in the manga. And I don't like it.
But don't tell that Zammy, he might use it for his advantage. He always makes poor Will a villain. >.<
I thought villains are sexy?


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XD! Hehe, I'm a stalker. Okay, I was stalking Zammy back then...
...now that I think about it, Hoenn was the only generation where I continouosly used two psychic Pokemon on my team. Yet it was the hardest generation for me, especially the elite four. And I didn't think that psychic was so strong back in Gen1, but well, my training methods were a bit...unusual...
This Challenge is the first time I have more than one Psychic Pokemon in my team, but it is so incredible easy to get through the games... much easier than using a mixed team. Well, of course Karen was very hard, and that guy with Dark Pokemon in Hoenn's Elite Four could be a problem, too (but I think I can handle him easy if everything goes well... xp).
Psychic WAS that strong in Gen1. No weaknesses, remember? Nearly all Psychic Pokemon were OverUsed in Competive Play. There was hardly a team without Alakazam, Exeggcutor and Starmie. (And, after playing it that way, I can see why.)

Psychic*Absol May 13th, 2009 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
I wasn't allowed to see the anime when I was a child, so I wasn't preoccupied. xD

I started the anime a little late, when I was ten, I think, and we were already at the league's episodes. Yet before I became a Sabrina fan, I saw her episodes three times....well...no wonder, knowing how much our channels re-runs the seasons *cough*

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
Girls could do whatever they want. ^^

...so you wouldn't mind if a girl takes Sabrina? =P

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
Why not? It's Mr. Mime's special ability to do so. Sabrina, of course, isn't allowed to use her powers.

*blink* It was Mr.Mime?!?! Dang, I thought it was Sabrina...well, okay, I did know that the invisible house itself was Mr. Mime's work, but I thought when she walked through it, she used her own powers to do so...

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
There's one picture of her in 10, a very short scene (3 pictures I guess) in 11 and in 14 all the gym leaders fighting against Team Rocket, so she has some pictures, too. But not many.

I think I have seen the pics of volume 11 (phoning with Surge, right?), but not the ones in 10 and 14 (argh, I have the gym leader's tournament but not their fight against TR, what a shame >.<).

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
I thought villains are sexy?

Will is sexy, even as a villain (ehm....except for PokeAdventures...he's just...silly there...), but Zammy makes him all too evil and makes Sabrina hate him and all that stuff. ;.;...

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
This Challenge is the first time I have more than one Psychic Pokemon in my team, but it is so incredible easy to get through the games... much easier than using a mixed team. Well, of course Karen was very hard, and that guy with Dark Pokemon in Hoenn's Elite Four could be a problem, too (but I think I can handle him easy if everything goes well... xp).

...Ah, Karen, good old times...I beat her with my Espeon single-handely...okay, my Espeon was way above her dark Pokemon, level-wise, but still, I nice feeling, beating her with just one psychic pokemon. B-)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4635928)
Psychic WAS that strong in Gen1. No weaknesses, remember? Nearly all Psychic Pokemon were OverUsed in Competive Play. There was hardly a team without Alakazam, Exeggcutor and Starmie. (And, after playing it that way, I can see why.)

...*coughs* Yeah, no weaknesses....but...eheheh...my trainign method destroyed all of that. XD I beat Sabrina with my Victrebell first time I went through Blue, because, well, I did not know anything about types back then and thought Poison was actually strong against psychic. >.<
Nevertheless, you're right, I hardly saw a team without Alakazam back then, and, well, yeah, I still have two Alakazam from back then...(Yellow and Blue ones) I hardly ever delete Team Pokemon, I just get them into every new game I start. XD!

Wyyrlokk May 13th, 2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4638702)
I started the anime a little late, when I was ten, I think, and we were already at the league's episodes. Yet before I became a Sabrina fan, I saw her episodes three times....well...no wonder, knowing how much our channels re-runs the seasons *cough*

I saw her episodes one month ago the first time. The best Pokemon episodes I've ever seen, no doubt.

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...so you wouldn't mind if a girl takes Sabrina? =P
Yes I WOULD!
(But it's about a (random) teenage who used her as a sexual object... I wouldn't mind if a girl would do so, that's all.)

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*blink* It was Mr.Mime?!?! Dang, I thought it was Sabrina...well, okay, I did know that the invisible house itself was Mr. Mime's work, but I thought when she walked through it, she used her own powers to do so...
I thought it was quite obvious... oO Sabrina herself told Bugsy that Mr. Mime "creates solid walls from air" and Bugsy thought "IT created it while pretendingto be attacked by Scyther and Heracross." And Sabrina could, of course, see the walls because she's a psychic.


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Will is sexy, even as a villain (ehm....except for PokeAdventures...he's just...silly there...), but Zammy makes him all too evil and makes Sabrina hate him and all that stuff. ;.;...
I must admit I used to disrespect him for being so easy to defeat in GSC... <_>" *prepares for punishment*
I noticed that the popular thinking is that he only has one functionating eye... why? Bulbapedia at least says that he has two on the updated artwork from Sugimori. Is it because it makes him more mysterious?

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...*coughs* Yeah, no weaknesses....but...eheheh...my trainign method destroyed all of that. XD
What ARE your training methods? Oo

Psychic*Absol May 13th, 2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4638924)
I saw her episodes one month ago the first time. The best Pokemon episodes I've ever seen, no doubt.

But not on RTL2, right? Oo I would know it if they had aired there again...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4638924)
Yes I WOULD!

....too bad for you. *g*
Let's see, Sabrina has already one guy and one girl fighting for her in the real world (me and Zammy), and now another guy is added. Boy, she can start a harem now. XD!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4638924)
(But it's about a (random) teenage who used her as a sexual object... I wouldn't mind if a girl would do so, that's all.)

....*mutters something about perverted guys*

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4638924)
I thought it was quite obvious... oO Sabrina herself told Bugsy that Mr. Mime "creates solid walls from air" and Bugsy thought "IT created it while pretendingto be attacked by Scyther and Heracross." And Sabrina could, of course, see the walls because she's a psychic.

Well, that *is* indeed what I got right (both the creating of the walls and her seeing them). What I didn't get right is that I thought she used her powers to walk on the walls.

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I must admit I used to disrespect him for being so easy to defeat in GSC... <_>" *prepares for punishment*

*gets her pokes of doom* Mwahahaha, prepare to be huminilated!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4638924)
I noticed that the popular thinking is that he only has one functionating eye... why? Bulbapedia at least says that he has two on the updated artwork from Sugimori. Is it because it makes him more mysterious?

....popular thinking...he has only one functioning eye in my fic, too. *sweatdrops*
Thing is, if you look at his sugimori art, he indeed HAS only one eye there. (Contradicting bulbapedia, but look into the discussion of that page, it's already noted there) Different artwork depicts him with either two or one eyes, but calling of all picture of my mind, I would say more pictures depict him with only one eye. And the game sprite does not tell anything.

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What ARE your training methods? Oo

XD Training my Pokemon up to ten level above the gym leader...*hides*

Wyyrlokk May 13th, 2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4639014)
But not on RTL2, right? Oo I would know it if they had aired there again...

Not, but the First Volumes are available on DVD right now...

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....too bad for you. *g*
We'll see.

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Let's see, Sabrina has already one guy and one girl fighting for her in the real world (me and Zammy), and now another guy is added. Boy, she can start a harem now. XD!
What, only one? At least there's one guy at deviantart who calls himself "Salem the Psychic" and likes to see pictures of handcuffed, tied-up Sabrina... (Calling ME a pervert???) His avatar charakter, Salem, is also married to Sabrina and have a son with her, you could imagine that it hurts me terrible to read something like that. *___*
Interesting, by the way, that Sabrina even attracts girls to her. ^^ But you have Will already, so could you please let her to us?


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Well, that *is* indeed what I got right (both the creating of the walls and her seeing them). What I didn't get right is that I thought she used her powers to walk on the walls.
Sorry... Well, but the walls are solid, so why should she have to use some powers?

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*gets her pokes of doom* Mwahahaha, prepare to be huminilated!....
Think you mean "humiliated"? XD
Thanks for the annotation about his eye(s).

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XD Training my Pokemon up to ten level above the gym leader...*hides*
What's wrong with that? My Pokemon are usually under the gym leader's level and I still manage to win.

Psychic*Absol May 13th, 2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
Not, but the First Volumes are available on DVD right now...

You mean these 'The world of Pokemon' DVD's? I have them. XD!

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
We'll see.

*evil grin* Yes, we will see.

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What, only one? At least there's one guy at deviantart who calls himself "Salem the Psychic" and likes to see pictures of handcuffed, tied-up Sabrina...

Well, one I know personally. 0=)
Hey, you know Salem, too? XD I like to watch his gallery for Sabrina pics, yet, I can't see all of them because of the stupid censoring. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
(Calling ME a pervert???)

At least a typical guy who likes girls making out. XD!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
His avatar charakter, Salem, is also married to Sabrina and have a son with her, you could imagine that it hurts me terrible to read something like that. *___*

Where did he write that he has a son with her? Oo Never saw that...link please?
And, heheh, both my and CPF have her paired with Will and have them have a daughter (eh, wait, CPF has, I don't).
And if you read "Discovering..." Well, the plot is that she has a child there, too. XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
Interesting, by the way, that Sabrina even attracts girls to her. ^^ But you have Will already, so could you please let her to us?

Interesting? I would call that not surprsing. XD And no, I don't like to share. It's either Will or me for her. XD!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
Sorry... Well, but the walls are solid, so why should she have to use some powers?

Well, that is the question that my humble mind did not manage to ask itself. XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639075)
Think you mean "humiliated"? XD

Yeah, I did. >> It's late, typos raise from the grave.
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Thanks for the annotation about his eye(s).

No problem. I like to help this theory forward. XD
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What's wrong with that? My Pokemon are usually under the gym leader's level and I still manage to win.

Well, it destroys nearly all type advantages, because these don't matter when your level is so high. >>

Wyyrlokk May 13th, 2009 1:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4639137)
You mean these 'The world of Pokemon' DVD's? I have them. XD!

Cause I never saw them before, it's quite nice to be able to buy them finally, no doubt the DVDs and the poor excuse for a magazine are childish.

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Well, one I know personally. 0=)
Hey, you know Salem, too? XD I like to watch his gallery for Sabrina pics, yet, I can't see all of them because of the stupid censoring.
Well, it seems like every Sabrina-fan knows his/her rivals... xD
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At least a typical guy who likes girls making out. XD!
Please. Think of my situation - if I have the choice between a girl or a boy making out, who do you think I choose? =_=

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Interesting? I would call that not surprsing. XD And no, I don't like to share. It's either Will or me for her. XD!
Self-confidence seems not to be a problem for you. xD We could say a hundred times "We'll see... *g*" to each other without getting results. ^^ Let us just say, who sees her first, gets her.

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No problem. I like to help this theory forward. XD
Hard to understand what is so great on having only one eye, but it makes him... cool, strangely. o.O"

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Well, it destroys nearly all type advantages, because these don't matter when your level is so high. >>
True, but you have to do so in the Monotype Challenge as well... I didn't do it and had my problems with Karen as a result. Had to stall out her attacks. <<

Psychic*Absol May 13th, 2009 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
Cause I never saw them before, it's quite nice to be able to buy them finally, no doubt the DVDs and the poor excuse for a magazine are childish.

Childish, yes. But they have pictures of Sabrina in them. So they are worth buying, and if they were a hundred euros! *g*
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
Well, it seems like every Sabrina-fan knows his/her rivals... xD

Oh, yes, we're all a big family gang of Sabrina fans...9ß% male, though...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
Please. Think of my situation - if I have the choice between a girl or a boy making out, who do you think I choose? =_=

...well, okay, okay, but most guys seem to get more perverted the second they can watch girls making out. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
Self-confidence seems not to be a problem for you. xD

Ah, alas, only when it's regarding Sabrina. XD!!!!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
^^ Let us just say, who sees her first, gets her.

Then, Zammy has already won. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
Hard to understand what is so great on having only one eye, but it makes him... cool, strangely. o.O"

....0=) It sure does, it sure does. I mean, we have one guy with a mask, and he gets forgetten always...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639215)
True, but you have to do so in the Monotype Challenge as well... I didn't do it and had my problems with Karen as a result. Had to stall out her attacks. <<

>.< Well, I used my Espeon with Bite and Shadowball, and in the end, it worked. Somehow. XD! But, like I said, my Espeon was way above Karen's Pokemon as well.

Wyyrlokk May 13th, 2009 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4639237)
Childish, yes. But they have pictures of Sabrina in them. So they are worth buying, and if they were a hundred euros! *g*

I would buy 100€ for the Pokespec, but not for the DVD. The anime wasn't that good after all. The three episodes with Sabrina are brilliant, but in direct comparison not as good as the manga.

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Oh, yes, we're all a big family gang of Sabrina fans...9ß% male, though...
Like some snakes... about hundreds of males try to make love with only one female. oO

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...well, okay, okay, but most guys seem to get more perverted the second they can watch girls making out. >>
I would call this natural, not pervert. xp

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Then, Zammy has already won. >>
I meant a real version of her.

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....0=) It sure does, it sure does. I mean, we have one guy with a mask, and he gets forgetten always...
I don't get what you´re meaning. oO Please explain that...

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>.< Well, I used my Espeon with Bite and Shadowball, and in the end, it worked. Somehow. XD! But, like I said, my Espeon was way above Karen's Pokemon as well.
My battle was more like "Houndoom uses Crunch Attack! Wyyrlok uses Hyper Potion! Houndoom uses Crunch Attack! Wyyrlok uses Hyper Potion! Houndoom uses..." 15 Hyper Potions later, I was able to attack without fearing to die immediately in return.

Psychic*Absol May 13th, 2009 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639284)
I would buy 100€ for the Pokespec, but not for the DVD.

Hm, I think I had spend 25 on my two mangas because of importing.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639284)
The anime wasn't that good after all. The three episodes with Sabrina are brilliant, but in direct comparison not as good as the manga.

Hm, I guess I like the anime version more, but maybe the manga version of Sabrina hasn't had enough appearances to satisfy me. After all, it was the anime that made me a fan.
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Like some snakes... about hundreds of males try to make love with only one female. oO

....>> I do not even want to imagine that. The fans can't be that...twisted.

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639284)
I would call this natural, not pervert. xp

XD Whatever. *is feminist and thus, bound to hate this attitude* XD!!!!

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639284)
I meant a real version of her.

...the joke is, he does think he met a real version of her.

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639284)
I don't get what you´re meaning. oO Please explain that...

In all of the Pokemon games, we have ONE character with a real mask (Crasher Wake does not count >>), and mask= cool, but Will always gets forgotten, despite his mask. >>

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639284)
My battle was more like "Houndoom uses Crunch Attack! Wyyrlok uses Hyper Potion! Houndoom uses Crunch Attack! Wyyrlok uses Hyper Potion! Houndoom uses..." 15 Hyper Potions later, I was able to attack without fearing to die immediately in return.

XD!!!!! Great battle!!! XD I think mine with Karen had more attacks, my Espeon was a bit stronger, and her Houndoom rarely used Crunch. Oo

Wyyrlokk May 13th, 2009 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4639340)
Hm, I think I had spend 25 on my two mangas because of importing.
Hm, I guess I like the anime version more, but maybe the manga version of Sabrina hasn't had enough appearances to satisfy me. After all, it was the anime that made me a fan.

I became her fan just from the games. With nearly no information and a bad graphic-image. Does that mean I'm a bigger fan of her? ^^

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....>> I do not even want to imagine that. The fans can't be that...twisted.
There's nothing wrong with doing so. Animals are... well, natural.
(Nethertheless I think Sabrina wouldn't let something like that happen to her.)

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XD Whatever. *is feminist and thus, bound to hate this attitude* XD!!!!
Well... would it be better the other way round, that men feel attracted to look at other men? xD

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...the joke is, he does think he met a real version of her.
HELL!!! That can't be true!!! ;_______________;

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In all of the Pokemon games, we have ONE character with a real mask (Crasher Wake does not count >>), and mask= cool, but Will always gets forgotten, despite his mask. >>
Oh, finally I got it. ^^" You're right. (Probably because he's so weak. <<)

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XD!!!!! Great battle!!! XD I think mine with Karen had more attacks, my Espeon was a bit stronger, and her Houndoom rarely used Crunch. Oo
I hate it to win in such a way (using potions to stall), because it's completely senseless, wouldn't work if Pokemon are real and doesn't work in Competive Play, too. It's nearly cheating to me, and I'm deeply ashamed to use such a cheap way to won against her. But I guess there was no other way than training for hours on Victory Road. At least she was the only enemy I had to use that method so far.

Psychic*Absol May 14th, 2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639365)
I became her fan just from the games. With nearly no information and a bad graphic-image. Does that mean I'm a bigger fan of her? ^^

Probably yes. >> *walks away with head hanging down in shame
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639365)
There's nothing wrong with doing so. Animals are... well, natural.
(Nethertheless I think Sabrina wouldn't let something like that happen to her.)

XD!! Me neither. Sabrina is too...ehm...intelligent? XD She would see right through the men and turn them into dolls before they had a chance to jump at her.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639365)
Well... would it be better the other way round, that men feel attracted to look at other men? xD

In that case, I simply wouldn't care! =3
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HELL!!! That can't be true!!! ;_______________;

>> Yes, dear, it can be true. It can be, sadly. >> Ask him once he's online again. Next week, I think.
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Oh, finally I got it. ^^" You're right. (Probably because he's so weak. <<)

He's weaker than Sabrina...at least in the games...heck, one ELITE trainer, weaker than the GYM LEADER of the element. Reminds me of how underlevelled the GSC elite four were. Sabrina for elite four in HG/SS!!!! Come on, we had Koga, throw him out! And make it psychicshippy while you're at it, game creators!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4639365)
I hate it to win in such a way (using potions to stall), because it's completely senseless, wouldn't work if Pokemon are real and doesn't work in Competive Play, too. It's nearly cheating to me, and I'm deeply ashamed to use such a cheap way to won against her. But I guess there was no other way than training for hours on Victory Road. At least she was the only enemy I had to use that method so far.

I wouldn't like to win that way, too, and I think so far I never had a battle where I used more then five hyper potions. Mostly before I gave up before it could come down to such a battle. >>
But yeah, I trained my Espeon for days until her big battle. Aw, still proud of her. XD!

Wyyrlokk May 14th, 2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4641442)
Probably yes. >> *walks away with head hanging down in shame

*evil grin*

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XD!! Me neither. Sabrina is too...ehm...intelligent? XD She would see right through the men and turn them into dolls before they had a chance to jump at her.
Thinking of her battle with bugsy, probably Reflect (or was it Barrage?) would do the job as well. Besides, what should she do with that many dolls of naked men?


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>> Yes, dear, it can be true. It can be, sadly. >> Ask him once he's online again. Next week, I think.
Er... well...

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He's weaker than Sabrina...at least in the games...heck, one ELITE trainer, weaker than the GYM LEADER of the element. Reminds me of how underlevelled the GSC elite four were. Sabrina for elite four in HG/SS!!!! Come on, we had Koga, throw him out! And make it psychicshippy while you're at it, game creators!
Not Koga please, Bruno instead. And by the way, I always thought of Sabrina to be stronger than him, so where's the problem? xD
(I hardly doubt there will be ANY shipping in a game mostly aligned to children, so I don't even have to say "No please, don't give her away!" because it would not happen anyway I hope .)

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I wouldn't like to win that way, too, and I think so far I never had a battle where I used more then five hyper potions. Mostly before I gave up before it could come down to such a battle. >>
But yeah, I trained my Espeon for days until her big battle. Aw, still proud of her. XD!
I was running out of time, so it was the only way. Giving up is rarely an alternative to me, and never in a battle like that. It was against the abhorred archenemy, so I simply couldn't loose.

Psychic*Absol May 14th, 2009 10:59 AM

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Besides, what should she do with that many dolls of naked men?

Sell them? XD She herself has (hopefully) no use for them, but other girls...
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Not Koga please, Bruno instead.

Hm, now that you say it...yes, Bruno plz. *fighter's bias 0=) )
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And by the way, I always thought of Sabrina to be stronger than him, so where's the problem? xD

...he is a friggin ELITE FOUR!!! The elite four are supposed to be the strongest trainers in a region. And a simple gym leader, even of the same element, is STRONGER than him. Does that make sense? >>
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(I hardly doubt there will be ANY shipping in a game mostly aligned to children, so I don't even have to say "No please, don't give her away!" because it would not happen anyway I hope .)

...ehm, Misty and the bridge of love, plz? 0=) I would so *love* to see a little masked sprite and the one of the girl with long hair there....ehm, okay, I know, I'm only dreaming, too, but that's what fanfics are for. *goes back to writing Spring's Revenge*...remind me to give you the link, I forgot again. >.<
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641513)
I was running out of time, so it was the only way. Giving up is rarely an alternative to me, and never in a battle like that. It was against the abhorred archenemy, so I simply couldn't loose.

XD!! Abhorred archenemy? *THEN* you should so read Spring's Revenge (but not Grasping the Moon >.<) . Nice interaction between Karen and Sabrina there. Really nice. 0=)
...never noticed that I'm a psychic *Absol*? I love both dark and psychic types. Don't hurt me. *hides* XD

Wyyrlokk May 14th, 2009 11:29 AM

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Sell them? XD She herself has (hopefully) no use for them, but other girls...

I suddenly wish I hadn't ask...

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Hm, now that you say it...yes, Bruno plz. *fighter's bias 0=) )
I don't have anything against him. He was quite nice to defeat. ^^ But that's the point - he was too easy in all the games, and he was in B/R/G, G/S/C and FR/LG. That's enough, I think.

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...he is a friggin ELITE FOUR!!! The elite four are supposed to be the strongest trainers in a region. And a simple gym leader, even of the same element, is STRONGER than him. Does that make sense? >>
It has indeed, because it's not a simple gym leader, it's Sabrina!!! *growl*

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...ehm, Misty and the bridge of love, plz? 0=) I would so *love* to see a little masked sprite and the one of the girl with long hair there....ehm, okay, I know, I'm only dreaming, too, but that's what fanfics are for. *goes back to writing Spring's Revenge*...remind me to give you the link, I forgot again. >.<
LINK PLZ!!!
Well, that Misty story... ok. But this was only one time with a random guy who isn't even named in the games.

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XD!! Abhorred archenemy? *THEN* you should so read Spring's Revenge (but not Grasping the Moon >.<) . Nice interaction between Karen and Sabrina there. Really nice. 0=)
...never noticed that I'm a psychic *Absol*? I love both dark and psychic types. Don't hurt me. *hides* XD
I love Dark Pokemon too (don't you visit my profile? oO), but Wyyrlok (my current ingame character for the Challenge) doesn't do so. And it's the Psychic Monotype Challenge, so of course Dark is the abhorrend Archenemy, for obvious reasons (so would Psychic be in a Fighting Monotype Challenge).

Psychic*Absol May 15th, 2009 9:50 AM

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I suddenly wish I hadn't ask...

XD Your mistake.
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I don't have anything against him. He was quite nice to defeat. ^^ But that's the point - he was too easy in all the games, and he was in B/R/G, G/S/C and FR/LG. That's enough, I think.

Meh, I have something against fighters. They're ugly. >> And they had a gym title before Sabrina's gym had hers. Yes, she did defeat them, yet I still think the former is a reason for me to hate them. 0=)
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It has indeed, because it's not a simple gym leader, it's Sabrina!!! *growl*

...so, then, tell me, if she's that strong, why hasn't she tried to get a spot in the elite four herself? She got her gym title, another gym leader managed to become elite four, so why not her? 0=)
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LINK PLZ!!!

Sorry, I do not own any Zelda games...
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Well, that Misty story... ok. But this was only one time with a random guy who isn't even named in the games.

So what? It was still some kind of romantic story. Why not try it with canon characters? 0=)
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I love Dark Pokemon too (don't you visit my profile? oO),

No, I didn't. ...I failed as a stalker. ;.;
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but Wyyrlok (my current ingame character for the Challenge) doesn't do so. And it's the Psychic Monotype Challenge, so of course Dark is the abhorrend Archenemy, for obvious reasons (so would Psychic be in a Fighting Monotype Challenge).

Kinda offtopic question, but where does that name come from, anyway? XD
And hey, my in-game character Amelie (hit me, I know I use her for nearly everything *hides*) likes dark and psychic Pokemon. She even (always) uses a team of psychic and dark Pokemon. Heck, my whole fic (the big one) is based around the fact that psychic and dark are complete opposites yet *can* work together. (Spring's Revenge does so, too, strangely. Oo I just noticed that myself....)

Wyyrlokk May 15th, 2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4643947)
Meh, I have something against fighters. They're ugly. >> And they had a gym title before Sabrina's gym had hers. Yes, she did defeat them, yet I still think the former is a reason for me to hate them. 0=)

I'd thought they had both their title at the same time, but in the fight about which gym will be the official one she beats him... Is that wrong? oO Anyway, always when I won against a fighting gym leader (or Bruno) it's a reminding to Sabrinas victory, so it's quite funny to me to beat them. Therefore, they have a use.

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...so, then, tell me, if she's that strong, why hasn't she tried to get a spot in the elite four herself? She got her gym title, another gym leader managed to become elite four, so why not her? 0=)
Because, as she tells in the games, she doesn't like fighting. And in the PokeSpec, there was an alternate reason for building the second Elite Four.

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So what? It was still some kind of romantic story. Why not try it with canon characters? 0=)
Because that would destroy the illusions of many fans. And lowering the number of fans is definitely not what Nintendo would risk if there's any way to avoid it. Probably that's also a reason why Ash doesn't have a relation to anyone.

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No, I didn't. ...I failed as a stalker. ;.;
So you stalk me already? oO

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Kinda offtopic question, but where does that name come from, anyway? XD
And hey, my in-game character Amelie (hit me, I know I use her for nearly everything *hides*) likes dark and psychic Pokemon. She even (always) uses a team of psychic and dark Pokemon. Heck, my whole fic (the big one) is based around the fact that psychic and dark are complete opposites yet *can* work together. (Spring's Revenge does so, too, strangely. Oo I just noticed that myself....)
I stealed that name out of the "Star Wars Legacy" Arc. Darth Wyyrlok (III), a Chagrian, is, as his mother was, a high-ranked servant of the One Sith and Darth Krayt.
It was random the choose his name, but I like him and use his name every time I couldn't use 'Nihilus'. And honestly, a Sith Lord as a Psychic trainer isn't that farfetched.

Psychic*Absol May 15th, 2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
I'd thought they had both their title at the same time, but in the fight about which gym will be the official one she beats him... Is that wrong? oO

...according to the games, it isn't, but well, I like to make my own interpretations. After all, Sabrina is clearly younger then the master of the fighting dojo, now, isn't she? (Okay, far-fetched, so what? XD I like to make up fanon stories...)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
Anyway, always when I won against a fighting gym leader (or Bruno) it's a reminding to Sabrinas victory, so it's quite funny to me to beat them. Therefore, they have a use.

A fighting type gym leader, okay, but not an elite four. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
Because, as she tells in the games, she doesn't like fighting. And in the PokeSpec, there was an alternate reason for building the second Elite Four.

Then, tell me, why did she become gym leader at all if she does not like to fight? She didn't have to, now, did she? And it still is weird, a gym leader who doesn't like fighting is stronger thn the elite four of this type, the elite four who may like fighting. >>
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Because that would destroy the illusions of many fans. And lowering the number of fans is definitely not what Nintendo would risk if there's any way to avoid it. Probably that's also a reason why Ash doesn't have a relation to anyone.

(well, okay, I admit, my idea is delusional, but I cannot help but imagine...a game, where you double-battle Sabrina and Will...and they might be married and...okay, I shut up. *ggg*)
Don't tell that the thousands of Pokeshippers or they rip your head of. (And that would be a big loss for the club. XD!)
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So you stalk me already? oO

*hides in the shadows*
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
I stealed that name out of the "Star Wars Legacy" Arc. Darth Wyyrlok (III), a Chagrian, is, as his mother was, a high-ranked servant of the One Sith and Darth Krayt.

Oh, Star Wars!!! *old Star Wars Fan, though not active anymore, talking here* XD They always have the freakiest names.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
It was random the choose his name, but I like him and use his name every time I couldn't use 'Nihilus'. And honestly, a Sith Lord as a Psychic trainer isn't that farfetched.

...for me, the psychics are rather the Jedi and the darklings are the Sith, but meh, it's up tp everyone to choose...

Wyyrlokk May 15th, 2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4644107)
...according to the games, it isn't, but well, I like to make my own interpretations. After all, Sabrina is clearly younger then the master of the fighting dojo, now, isn't she? (Okay, far-fetched, so what? XD I like to make up fanon stories...)

Well, but that doesn't really beat my argument, does it? Maybe we're both right.

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Then, tell me, why did she become gym leader at all if she does not like to fight? She didn't have to, now, did she? And it still is weird, a gym leader who doesn't like fighting is stronger thn the elite four of this type, the elite four who may like fighting. >>
I'd known that you'll come up with this. I surrender.

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(well, okay, I admit, my idea is delusional, but I cannot help but imagine...a game, where you double-battle Sabrina and Will...and they might be married and...okay, I shut up. *ggg*)
Well, you battle Flint and Volkner in a 2vs2 on Platinum, and it's known they were very close friends... does it mean they have a relationship? xD You could image whatever you want, but if Nintendo really comes up with that, I'll have to rip off some heads myself, too.

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Don't tell that the thousands of Pokeshippers or they rip your head of. (And that would be a big loss for the club. XD!)
I think that they are too busy battling against each other about the fact if Misty, May or Dawn would fit him most.

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...for me, the psychics are rather the Jedi and the darklings are the Sith, but meh, it's up tp everyone to choose...
I guess Sabrina (in every version) or PokeSpec Will wouldn't be Jedi. x_x And Dark trainers don't have mental powers, do they? I think they're just... well, evil. xD

Psychic*Absol May 15th, 2009 1:00 PM

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Well, but that doesn't really beat my argument, does it? Maybe we're both right.

*shrugs* Let's agree on a tie, neh?
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I'd known that you'll come up with this. I surrender.

XD!!!!! One of us is a mind-reader...0=) (And yay, I beat someone. lol)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
Well, you battle Flint and Volkner in a 2vs2 on Platinum, and it's known they were very close friends... does it mean they have a relationship? xD

You haven't read the fanfics yet, you haven't read the fanfics yet...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
You could image whatever you want, but if Nintendo really comes up with that, I'll have to rip off some heads myself, too.

...meh, I wouldn't care. 0=) Same rights for everyone! XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
I think that they are too busy battling against each other about the fact if Misty, May or Dawn would fit him most.

...still, the Pokeshipping fans are the majority and though I really hate Pokeshipping and I would love to exclaim that, I'm a bit worried about the consequences...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
I guess Sabrina (in every version) or PokeSpec Will wouldn't be Jedi. x_x And Dark trainers don't have mental powers, do they? I think they're just... well, evil. xD

...why not? I mean, it's been too long since I last watched Star Wars, but the thing distinguishing the Jedi and the Sith was that the Jedi were, well, 'good' and the Sith 'evil' and 'powerhungry'. Game version Sabrina, not sure. PokeSpec, Sith, obviously. Anime? I wouldn't call her consciously evil there...
And Will is, at least in the manga, a clear Sith.
Zammy will so celebrate this, hearing it from me. >.<;;;;;;

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 1:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4644272)
One of us is a mind-reader...0=) (And yay, I beat someone. lol)

Is that such a seldom event to you...? oò

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You haven't read the fanfics yet, you haven't read the fanfics yet...
Which fancic do you mean exactly? There are so many... x_X And by the way, you still have some to send me...

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...still, the Pokeshipping fans are the majority and though I really hate Pokeshipping and I would love to exclaim that, I'm a bit worried about the consequences...
In fact, I don't care about who of them gets Ash (IF that happens anyway...), as long as they don't give away Sabrina.

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...why not? I mean, it's been too long since I last watched Star Wars, but the thing distinguishing the Jedi and the Sith was that the Jedi were, well, 'good' and the Sith 'evil' and 'powerhungry'. Game version Sabrina, not sure. PokeSpec, Sith, obviously. Anime? I wouldn't call her consciously evil there...
And Will is, at least in the manga, a clear Sith.
Zammy will so celebrate this, hearing it from me. >.<;;;;;;
Ok, in the games she's not evil, my mistake.
And, falling back on the "evil and powerhungry"-aspect, Sabrina's a Sith in the PokeSpec without a doubt, yes... ^^ I always liked the Sith best (disappointing that the Jedi always win against them. -.-) in any game, book or movie of Star Wars. And they have the better music. ^^ Think that's reflected in the fact that I'm an Absol, too, in some ways.


I don't know if somebody has mentioned it already, but did you notice that Pokespec Sabrina probably has a crush on Giovanni? x_X

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
Is that such a seldom event to you...? oò

XDI'm more used to the diplomatic way-
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Which fancic do you mean exactly? There are so many... x_X

I don't want to *read* these fics, so I don't have the links. But I know they exist.
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And by the way, you still have some to send me...

... http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3897024/1/Grasping_the_Moon <-- Grasping the Moon
http://members.iinet.net.au/~aceywacey/pokemon.htm <-- Pokemon Master
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In fact, I don't care about who of them gets Ash (IF that happens anyway...), as long as they don't give away Sabrina.

...0=) Maybe they *will*.
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Think that's reflected in the fact that I'm an Absol, too, in some ways.

...so what is reflected by the fact that I am a psychic Absol? ...
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I don't know if somebody has mentioned it already, but did you notice that Pokespec Sabrina probably has a crush on Giovanni? x_X

Well, if somebody hasn't mentioned it, I surely have mentioned it somewhere (though I'm fairly sure innuendo came up with that...). Eh, so what? 0=) I like it. We do have talked about the possibility of Sabrina being Silver's mother, haven't we? XD

Anyway, I promised CPF a review. ^.~
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Did these people truly believe that the color of the pearl determined their fate?
Well, people have relied on much more stupid things in the past...
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“So, it’s Will, Karen, Silver, Jasmine, Joe and myself who are the chosen ones,”
Well, I knew before that Sabrina would not be one of them, but aren't we missing the great champion?...though, how high are the chances that she is actually chosen? >>
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if the pearl turns to black, the one holding it must have a heart made of pure evil!”
QUICK!!! LET CYNTHIA TRY!!! *hides fast*
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“How?” Will protested. “It doesn’t have a compass!”

Roxanne simply glared at Will. “You’re a fool,” she said.
Well, that's something Sabrina could have told you before. *giggles*
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“How am I a fool?” Will asked Sabrina. “That was a reasonable question.”

“Just shut up and go ahead with your journey,” Sabrina replied.
Ehm...have to agree with Sabrina. Just shut up. lol
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Apparently Sabrina was either mad at him for being chosen, or jealous for not being chosen,
Which is, basically, the same. *lol*
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He wanted to chuckle about it, but he figured this was no time for humor.
Or else he would have his head bitten off by his angry wife. XD!
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We have a giant Pidgeotto that is capable of fitting all eight of us aboard,” Roxanne explained. “It is a marvel of nature, something I’m sure was brought to me not by coincidence but by the will of Arceus.
...*mumbles something and shakes head*
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You may want to say goodbye to your loved ones, Will.
First of all, do the others not have any loved ones they may say goodbye to? XD Secondly, since when is Liza one of his loved ones? Rather the one who keeps on teasing him
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I’m basically that girl’s mother already!”
*kicks Liza* *hard*
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Sabrina could not help but notice that he walked right over to Karen and stood beside her.
Coincidence Not.
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a vacationing spot known as Shamouti Island.
Hm...
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She put her hands on her chest, feeling the very ample portion of her body. Only Lorelei could claim a bigger chest area than her, and she was only 20, still growing.
*blinks and shakes head*
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She had led him into her cult
*Cult* is the right word. >.<

Crazy Packers Fan May 16th, 2009 9:25 AM

So you like the "cult" Roxanne has created? I've got a lot of possibilities for this, which could be really sweet. Unfortunately they have neither to do with Sabrina nor Cynthia, but rather the characters that used to be important until I started centering my fic on the Cynthia-Sabrina one-sided rivalry. Speaking of which, we'll go back to that rivalry in Chapters 32 and 33, one of which I can put up today.

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 9:55 AM

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So you like the "cult" Roxanne has created?

Ehm...no? >>;;;
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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4646556)
I've got a lot of possibilities for this, which could be really sweet.

You mind if I follow the development of this cult and use it in The Golden Prince? Have no idea how I will include it yet, but it seems to be an interesting twist...
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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4646556)
Unfortunately they have neither to do with Sabrina nor Cynthia, but rather the characters that used to be important until I started centering my fic on the Cynthia-Sabrina one-sided rivalry.

Nah, me not cares, after all, it is not only a Sabrina& Cynthia fic, and I, too, have to involve some other characters in my later fic. =3

Crazy Packers Fan May 16th, 2009 9:59 AM

Well, the "cult" may or may not exist after this story, depending on how things go... you can certainly use it, as long as there are still believers in Arceus after what happens later...

And of course now that I think of it I'm not going that far away from the Cynthia-Sabrina families since Will has been brought into the "cult."

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 10:13 AM

*shrugs* If it does still exist, might as well use it. If not, I can revive it with certain characters as the *new* founders (I do have an idea about it, and oh, the twists, the twists! XD).

Yeah, poor Will, not on his own free will (...*sweatdrops*) and certainly not on the will of his wife. lol

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 10:35 AM

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...so what is reflected by the fact that I am a psychic Absol? ...
That you're both Jedi AND Sith?

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We do have talked about the possibility of Sabrina being Silver's mother, haven't we? XD
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... No. NO! NEVER!!!
(And not only because she's too young to have a son already so old without turning Giovanni into a pervert...)

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 11:25 AM

Hm...being both doesn't even sound so bad...
Well, Silver was 11 in GSC, wasn't he? And Sabrina did look to be around 25-28, so, she wouldn't be *that* young...just a bit younger than usual...but you're right, I'm not really believing it either.
Review time. And due to PC's inconsistence, I'll post the whole review here.
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Her gunshot went right into thin air, failing to touch anything. Lucian had disappeared.
...why did I knew that you wouldn't dare to kill Lucian?
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“He must have impeccable timing,” J remarked. “That’s just not possible!”

“Unfortunate, isn’t it?” Cynthia commented.
... oh, yes, really unfortunate.
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My powers as a psychic are far beyond what you can ever imagine,” Cynthia stated.
*coughs*
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“I give up...” J replied.
...she gives up that easily.
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“I would be honored to work for you, Queen Cynthia,” she said.
...why did I know before that it has something to do with Sabrina?
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Why did those two have to go together?
Because they were both chosen? lol
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Miss Saffron,” J answered.

“That would be Mrs. Saffron,”
As a non-native speaker, I never get the difference, but I suppose it has something to do with being married. Though, this leads to the question as to why J doesn't know that Sabrina is married...
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paused for a moment, thinking about her possibilities. “Get as much of it as you can and bring it to me,” she replied.
Lol, nothing new there.
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Sabrina wanted to escape, but she found that she could not teleport. Again, she was helpless.
What a surprise. D'oh.
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Cynthia smiled. “So, you accept the fact that I am now the queen of the Pokémon world?” she asked.

Sabrina did not respond.
I guess she did before, but now she doesn't anymore. Hm.
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“You took from me something I could never replace, and for that, you shall pay.”
...man, she has some problems. >>
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I am a fair queen,
In your dreams.
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There is nothing from me I have left to give.”

“Your life,” Cynthia stated.
Even Sabrina's life won't bring Cynthia's parents back.
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“Okay, Sabrina, I forgive you,” Cynthia stated.

Sabrina breathed a sigh of relief.

“But my sister does not!” Cynthia then screamed.
I hate you...
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“Then just kill me,” Sabrina said. “If you’ll only spare Will and my daughter, I will choose to die right now.”
Well, Sabrina is certainly stronger-minded than Cynthia...
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“I can’t bring them back from the dead!” Sabrina cried.

“Then you shall be tortured,” Cynthia replied. “Every day, for one hour.”
...I really hate you. And your Cynthia. Who is insane. But that is nothing new.
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“Thank you, Lucian,” Sabrina replied.
Hm...
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“Your reward is making the queen happy,” she replied.

“What?” J questioned. “You mean I don’t get anything for what I did for you?”
You should have expected that. Never trust Cynthia. Never.
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Lucian thought about his response carefully. “Whatever makes the queen happy,” he responded.

“Oh, that’s exactly what I thought you’d say,” Cynthia said.
...smart boy.
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The logistics of this were unclear to him;
and to the readers as well.
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At this point, he figured, no one would be stupid enough not to bow.
Or else, there will be no need for a new world, as the few people that are left can start a new world anyway.
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But she’s lost her luster, she’s lost her strength, she’s no longer the woman she once was.
Thanks to CPF, she has.
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“And that person is-”
...Cynthia? lol

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 11:58 AM

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Hm...being both doesn't even sound so bad...

Then you have to do as much good to the galaxy as you do evil... My, my... I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

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Well, Silver was 11 in GSC, wasn't he? And Sabrina did look to be around 25-28, so, she wouldn't be *that* young...just a bit younger than usual...but you're right, I'm not really believing it either.
In your interpretation she would be pregnant with 14 (worst case) or at least 17 (still very bad, at least when it's about Sabrina... ). That definitely IS very young, and I think Giovanni and her didn't know each other a long time before she joined Team Rocket on its founding day. And that was only a short time before Red started his journey, I guess.
Besides, she was the might-hungry leader of a criminal organisation, so she definitely wouldn't want a child in such a situation. xD

(Hm, I personally think she's only about 20-22 in GSC. óò (Or should I say, "hope"?)

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4646892)
Then you have to do as much good to the galaxy as you do evil... My, my... I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

...good thing? 0=) Oh, who cares if it's a good thing. I would certainly have my fun. ;-)
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In your interpretation she would be pregnant with 14 (worst case) or at least 17 (still very bad, at least when it's about Sabrina... ). That definitely IS very young, and I think Giovanni and her didn't know each other a long time before she joined Team Rocket on its founding day. And that was only a short time before Red started his journey, I guess.

Like I said, I don't believe in it either, but the fact stays, we don't have one clue about Silver's mother and the only woman shown to have interest in Gio is Sabrina. Really, I don't believe in it, either, but...
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Besides, she was the might-hungry leader of a criminal organisation, so she definitely wouldn't want a child in such a situation. xD

Who says that she had a chance to decide?
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(Hm, I personally think she's only about 20-22 in GSC. óò (Or should I say, "hope"?)

Meh, I have problems judging her age in the mange. She looked awefully young during the Red/Blue/Green series, about 15/16, and didn't seem to have matured at all during Yellow, and then, suddenly, in GSC, she looked about 25,wtf? Oo

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 12:29 PM

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...good thing? 0=) Oh, who cares if it's a good thing. I would certainly have my fun. ;-)

Then you truly ARE a Sith.

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Like I said, I don't believe in it either, but the fact stays, we don't have one clue about Silver's mother and the only woman shown to have interest in Gio is Sabrina. Really, I don't believe in it, either, but...
Probably his mother just died during the birth. If not, Giovanni would care more about her, I guess.

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Who says that she had a chance to decide?
She might worship him, but is mentally strong enough to decide by herself, and protection surely exist even in the Pokeworld. And I doubt Giovanni wanted a child in his position as Team Rocket's leader. And, and... Well, it just doesn't fit in the timeline in m opinion.

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Meh, I have problems judging her age in the mange. She looked awefully young during the Red/Blue/Green series, about 15/16, and didn't seem to have matured at all during Yellow, and then, suddenly, in GSC, she looked about 25,wtf? Oo
Well... I see your point. but that only supports my point that she is only about 20 in GSC, and probably 17-19 in RB (18-20 in Y then)... So the difference isn't that big.

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 12:50 PM

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Then you truly ARE a Sith.

...what, Jedi are not allowed to have fun?!
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Probably his mother just died during the birth. If not, Giovanni would care more about her, I guess.

But wouldn't that be a bit, eh, clichéd to have Silver be a half-orphan? And I can see Giovanni, in his state back then, not caring much about the mother. After all, he didn't seem to look that much after Silver if Mask of Ice managed to kidnap him...
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She might worship him, but is mentally strong enough to decide by herself, and protection surely exist even in the Pokeworld.

Dark Pokemon blocking her mind (they DID exist back then, Silver's sneasel)? Giovanni being simply stronger than her? She being completely obedient to her boss?
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And I doubt Giovanni wanted a child in his position as Team Rocket's leader.

Oo You seriously doubt he wanted an heir?!
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Well... I see your point. but that only supports my point that she is only about 20 in GSC, and probably 17-19 in RB (18-20 in Y then)... So the difference isn't that big.

...hm, okay, it could work. But 17 in RB would even be a tad bit too old in my taste, I would rather see her as 16, even more as just 15...she just looks quite young there. Oo

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 1:34 PM

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...what, Jedi are not allowed to have fun?!

Right, because it's selfish. And you said that you wouldn't care if you do good or evil things, and THAt is surely a Sith-way of thinking.

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But wouldn't that be a bit, eh, clichéd to have Silver be a half-orphan? And I can see Giovanni, in his state back then, not caring much about the mother. After all, he didn't seem to look that much after Silver if Mask of Ice managed to kidnap him...
Well, till FRLG he was a "full" orphan. But anyway, Giovanni seems to have so low interest on Sabrina that maybe just she have a crush on him, not responded by him.

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Dark Pokemon blocking her mind (they DID exist back then, Silver's sneasel)? Giovanni being simply stronger than her? She being completely obedient to her boss?
The first point is abundant implausible. In the second point, she truly would lost her love for him, and in the last point, she would be really weak-minded, which doesn't fit her. =_= She probabaly had kill herself after he sent her and Surge back to their gyms instead of keeping them by his side.

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Oo You seriously doubt he wanted an heir?!
To make sure an heir will rule your empire like you want him to do, you have to influence him from birth till you die. So you really should procreate him AFTER you conquered your empire, and Giovanni was still on his campaign.

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...hm, okay, it could work. But 17 in RB would even be a tad bit too old in my taste, I would rather see her as 16, even more as just 15...she just looks quite young there. Oo
Well, I agree she looks young, but probably her psychic powers just blocked her hormons...

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4647137)
Right, because it's selfish. And you said that you wouldn't care if you do good or evil things, and THAt is surely a Sith-way of thinking.

...;.; But I wanna do good things, too. And I said who cares if it's a good thing to do both good and evil things. That's not the same. ^.^
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The first point is abundant implausible.

I don't see why it is. Dark Pokemon are not affected by psychic powers, so they must block them somehow. And Giovanni is obviously in the posession of dark Pokemon, otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to give his son a sneasel.
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In the second point, she truly would lost her love for him, and in the last point, she would be really weak-minded, which doesn't fit her. =_= She probabaly had kill herself after he sent her and Surge back to their gyms instead of keeping them by his side.

Meh, maybe Giovanni doesn't care about her love. And well, she IS a member of team rocket, and she gave away her whole city for Giovanni, how is that not obedient? Unlike Koga, who disappeared, she stayed loyal and searched for him on that island after Lugia's appearance (forgot the name of the island XD)
Obviously, she did not kill herself. >>;;;
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To make sure an heir will rule your empire like you want him to do, you have to influence him from birth till you die. So you really should procreate him AFTER you conquered your empire, and Giovanni was still on his campaign.

...hm, maybe, but this is only speculation, maybe Giovanni thought that he would not be able to bring TR to its true might, so his son should do it for him? He did want Silver to join TR in FR/LG, but I'm afraid I cannot say more about this matter, I haven't read these volumes of the manga. XD
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Well, I agree she looks young, but probably her psychic powers just blocked her hormons...

LOL This is most interesting thing I have heard in a while..of course, both manga AND anime Sabrina would be interested in using that effect of her powers...quite interesting. No hormons--> no love Really something she would be interested in, at least as long as she wanted to be emotionless.

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 2:37 PM

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...;.; But I wanna do good things, too. And I said who cares if it's a good thing to do both good and evil things. That's not the same. ^.^

I understood you wrong.

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I don't see why it is. Dark Pokemon are not affected by psychic powers, so they must block them somehow. And Giovanni is obviously in the posession of dark Pokemon, otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to give his son a sneasel.
From what I understand, he got Sneasel from Mask of Ice, not from his father. oO And Electric doesn't affect Ground, but Ground doesen't block Electric's Power, so that doesn't count as an argument I guess.

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Meh, maybe Giovanni doesn't care about her love. And well, she IS a member of team rocket, and she gave away her whole city for Giovanni, how is that not obedient? Unlike Koga, who disappeared, she stayed loyal and searched for him on that island after Lugia's appearance (forgot the name of the island XD)
Er, I think to sacrifice her City isn't so hard to her. If you're evil, you don't have to do such things out of love, but because it goes along with your own plans. (At least, I would do so...) (Koga stayed away cause of the shame that he needed the help of kids to win against the Elite Four.) And after Giovanni went away, neither her nor Surge searched for him anyway.
But even when she loved him, being abused should break that because she truly have her proud. <<

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...hm, maybe, but this is only speculation, maybe Giovanni thought that he would not be able to bring TR to its true might, so his son should do it for him? He did want Silver to join TR in FR/LG, but I'm afraid I cannot say more about this matter, I haven't read these volumes of the manga. XD
No no, he was so close to his victory when he was stopped by Red that I doubt that. And besides, self-confidence wasn't his problem either. Wanting his son to join was just natural but not because he awaited him for taking over the organisation.

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LOL This is most interesting thing I have heard in a while..of course, both manga AND anime Sabrina would be interested in using that effect of her powers...quite interesting. No hormons--> no love Really something she would be interested in, at least as long as she wanted to be emotionless.
This time you misunderstood me... ^^ I thought of that her powers block her hormons, so her body wasn't able to reach puberty. In GSC, while she stayed at the hotspring, she didn't train nor battle, so she could grown up physically, which made that huge difference between her look in BRY and GSC.
(weird... I know...)

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4647269)
From what I understand, he got Sneasel from Mask of Ice, not from his father.

I'm fairly sure he had Sneasel before he went to Mask of Ice. After all, it was one the picture with him and his father.
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And Electric doesn't affect Ground, but Ground doesen't block Electric's Power, so that doesn't count as an argument I guess.

Ah, but electric and ground are, in comparison, rather physical elements instead of psychic and dark. Psychic powers can manipulate people and matter (as shown in the manga by Blue and her problems with birds), and well, imo, that's different from the way electric and ground react to each other. There has to be a reason why psychic powers do no work on dark pokemon, and I think dark powers either block psychic powers or psychic powers just don't work on dark pokemon. Either way, Giovanni could shield himself with a dark pokemon. And remember, he has Viridian's powers, who knows what else he can do...
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Er, I think to sacrifice her City isn't so hard to her. If you're evil, you don't have to do such things out of love, but because it goes along with your own plans.

I never said she would do that out of love (I think I did XD), I meant that she would do that because she is weak-minded, giving up the city she controls and letting TR control it completely. On the other hand, you're right, if you're evil, you do these things because they go along with your plans.
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(Koga stayed away cause of the shame that he needed the help of kids to win against the Elite Four.)

Isn't that Giovanni's assumption? We don't really know why Koga went away, we don't know his own motivations.
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And after Giovanni went away, neither her nor Surge searched for him anyway.

Hm, okay, thaqt is true.
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But even when she loved him, being abused should break that because she truly have her proud. <<

It should, yes, but consider that the current actions happen ten years later. Long time to forgive, ne?
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No no, he was so close to his victory when he was stopped by Red that I doubt that.

Yes, when he was stopped by Red. We're talking about the time when Silver was conceived, which was at least 8-9 years before Red's victory. Back then, Giovanni could have had doubts that he would be able to bring TR to glory, so, he got a son...
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And besides, self-confidence wasn't his problem either. Wanting his son to join was just natural but not because he awaited him for taking over the organisation.

I always thought that once Silver become a member, it would be obvious that he would be trained to be the next leader. Oo Becoming a member just being the first step on the ladder, so to say.
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This time you misunderstood me... ^^ I thought of that her powers block her hormons, so her body wasn't able to reach puberty.

Oh, I got you quite right, but hormons control love, too. (Psychologist in me is speaking again, lol)
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In GSC, while she stayed at the hotspring, she didn't train nor battle, so she could grown up physically, which made that huge difference between her look in BRY and GSC.
(weird... I know...)

...yes, very weird. I had the imagine popping (...) up of her *suddenly* maturing in the middle of the spring scene and Red being present...
I should not be online at 1 am....

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4647318)
I'm fairly sure he had Sneasel before he went to Mask of Ice. After all, it was one the picture with him and his father.

Point given to you. I don't read FRLG so far, so I couldn't say anything against this.

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Ah, but electric and ground are, in comparison, rather physical elements instead of psychic and dark. Psychic powers can manipulate people and matter (as shown in the manga by Blue and her problems with birds), and well, imo, that's different from the way electric and ground react to each other. There has to be a reason why psychic powers do no work on dark pokemon, and I think dark powers either block psychic powers or psychic powers just don't work on dark pokemon. Either way, Giovanni could shield himself with a dark pokemon. And remember, he has Viridian's powers, who knows what else he can do...
Hm... no, not really. It's more a natural ability of Dark Pokemon, I guess. So they can only block attacks and psycal powers targetting themselves. But there is no hint to that theme anyway, so we could fight about this for years without coming to a result... ^^

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I never said she would do that out of love (I think I did XD), I meant that she would do that because she is weak-minded, giving up the city she controls and letting TR control it completely. On the other hand, you're right, if you're evil, you do these things because they go along with your plans.
She was evil, and she was one of the leaders of TR, so letting the city take over bei TR doesn't means she's weak-minded. She controls the city anyway, further as a gym leader, afterwards as a TR executive. And I don't think the city meaned much to her - otherwise she surely would never had joined TR.

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Isn't that Giovanni's assumption? We don't really know why Koga went away, we don't know his own motivations.
Well, you don't read PokeSpec 14, right? ^^
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Hm, okay, thaqt is true.
Thanks. Finally a point to me.

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It should, yes, but consider that the current actions happen ten years later. Long time to forgive, ne?
No. I don't hear of any strong-minded victim to sexual abuse which ever forgives her torturer. And, as you already sayed, she was quite young in RBY, not much older than Blue (Green in our German version). And Blue and Silver where nearly at the same age when they were kidnapped. I just remember that by now. It definitely wouldn't fit in the timeline. And, last but not least, if I'm Giovanni, I would choose a woman which is old enough to take care of a child better than a 14/15-year-old girl without emotions (and no time because she has to build up a criminal empire by your side).

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Yes, when he was stopped by Red. We're talking about the time when Silver was conceived, which was at least 8-9 years before Red's victory. Back then, Giovanni could have had doubts that he would be able to bring TR to glory, so, he got a son...
*sigh* I think he founded TR a year ago before he was stopped by Red, or maybe two years, not earlier. Surge, Koga and Sabrina where members from the beginning (as you see in PokeSpec 14) and it would be too conspicious if three leaders disapper for such a long time, I guess. And 8-9 years before I don't think he would doubt his victory anyway. He doesn't seem to be that type of person. He even rebuilt TR after the Elite Four and Mask of Ice were stopped, right? That means he never give up, so why should he have doubts before even founded TR?

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I always thought that once Silver become a member, it would be obvious that he would be trained to be the next leader. Oo Becoming a member just being the first step on the ladder, so to say.
Trained by the Mask of Ice wasn't his plan. Anyway. The three gym leaders were executives (and his deputies) from the beginning, so why should he make his son to a lower-ranked henchman?
I think after recognizing Silver's his son, he wants him to join Tr, but in the days Silver was born he didn't think about Tr already, or at least didn't think about an heir.

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Oh, I got you quite right, but hormons control love, too. (Psychologist in me is speaking again, lol)
I know, but I thought you mean she actively opressed her hormons. I think it is just an adverse reaction. By the way, she liked Giovanni...

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...yes, very weird. I had the imagine popping (...) up of her *suddenly* maturing in the middle of the spring scene and Red being present...
I should not be online at 1 am....
She had a year to mature... Red arrived at the last day on the hotspring, and anyway, she was grown up menatl, of course, before that. It's just about her physical condition.
(After all, YOU started that theme about how strange it is she lookes so much older in GSC! xD)

And no, I guess you shouldn't... or maybe you should? It might be funny to see what you image next time... *g*

Crazy Packers Fan May 16th, 2009 3:48 PM

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...why did I knew that you wouldn't dare to kill Lucian?

Cause I gave it away ahead of time. Too bad you've lately been making me give away that certain characters won't die.
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As a non-native speaker, I never get the difference, but I suppose it has something to do with being married. Though, this leads to the question as to why J doesn't know that Sabrina is married...
Yes, it has to do with marriage, although I think "Miss Saffron" sounds better. It gives a feeling of youth. J hasn't been around anyone for a while.
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I hate you...
Just what I thought.
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...Cynthia? lol
Wouldn't it be awesome if Will went after Cynthia and left Sabrina behind? It would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.

Oh, and two characters die next chapter, two who have been around since early in my first story. They're a couple. You'll be sad over their deaths... maybe devastated, I don't know. They aren't throwaway characters.

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 8:25 AM

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Cause I gave it away ahead of time. Too bad you've lately been making me give away that certain characters won't die.

...Well, you only told me that one character (Sabrina) would not die, you said nothing about Lucian. It were rather my instincts that told me he wouldn't die.
And no, now that I know that Sabrina is (relatively) safe, you don't need to tell me before that certain characters are not going to die. I want to be at least a bit surprised.

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Yes, it has to do with marriage, although I think "Miss Saffron" sounds better. It gives a feeling of youth. J hasn't been around anyone for a while.

I don't think the difference between Miss and Misses is that big, though...the first one sounds like a beauty queen's title! (oha, I've better not given CPF ideas for Cynthia with that >.<)
Will and Sabrina's marriage was kinda big enough to reach Sinnoh's news, too, I think. Besides, considering all the people J has worked with so far (Cyrus, Lucian, Cynthia) one of them is bound to have told her about Will and Sabrina.

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Just what I thought.

...no comment.

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Wouldn't it be awesome if Will went after Cynthia and left Sabrina behind? It would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.

No. The biggest scandal is Lance leaving Clair behind and having an affair with Cynthia. *THAT* is a scandal. Will is too small of a VIP to get such attention.

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Oh, and two characters die next chapter, two who have been around since early in my first story. They're a couple. You'll be sad over their deaths... maybe devastated, I don't know. They aren't throwaway characters.

...hm....Sabrina's parents? Ritchie and Daisy? Ash and Misty? I need to re-re-read the first part. >.<

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 9:08 AM

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No. The biggest scandal is Lance leaving Clair behind and having an affair with Cynthia. *THAT* is a scandal. Will is too small of a VIP to get such attention.

Is he? He's a member of the Elite Four, at least that's something like a minister I guess... That should make him a VIP who could be dangerously affekted by scandals... think of how often a politicians carrer ended up after a verbal or sexual scandal. xD

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 9:43 AM

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Is he? He's a member of the Elite Four, at least that's something like a minister I guess... That should make him a VIP who could be dangerously affekted by scandals... think of how often a politicians carrer ended up after a verbal or sexual scandal. xD

Well, we were talking about the *biggest* scandal, and comparing Will to Lance...I guess in the case of Will, Lance would get realyl mad at him and shout at him and threat him with kicking him out and everything. Lance, on the other hand, could probably do whatever he wants, yet the public eye still watches him and for having an affair with Cynthia, he would certainly get in trouble, too.
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Hm... no, not really. It's more a natural ability of Dark Pokemon, I guess. So they can only block attacks and psycal powers targetting themselves. But there is no hint to that theme anyway, so we could fight about this for years without coming to a result... ^^

...hm, I can see what you think, but I'm still not too sure. If it's a natural ability, why shouldn't they be able to use that ability to, let's say, save or guard their trainers? Other Pokemon do the same with their kind of ability, and dark Pokemon maybe block psychic powers to save their trainers.
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She was evil, and she was one of the leaders of TR, so letting the city take over bei TR doesn't means she's weak-minded. She controls the city anyway, further as a gym leader, afterwards as a TR executive. And I don't think the city meaned much to her - otherwise she surely would never had joined TR.

I don't think Sabrina had as much control over her city after she had given it to TR as she had before. I mean, both Koga and Surge where, in the final battle, there, and their roles were, if I had to judge, just as big as hers. If you didn't have any information from the games, and just judged the situation by the plot, you would think that Sabrina literally had no power over any city, because the other executives (and Giovanni himself! How could I forget him?) were in Saffron and fighting in Silph.
Though, it *is* debatable if the city really was such an important point for her.
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Well, you don't read PokeSpec 14, right? ^^

No, I don't own it. >> Sadly.
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And, as you already sayed, she was quite young in RBY, not much older than Blue (Green in our German version). And Blue and Silver where nearly at the same age when they were kidnapped. I just remember that by now. It definitely wouldn't fit in the timeline. And, last but not least, if I'm Giovanni, I would choose a woman which is old enough to take care of a child better than a 14/15-year-old girl without emotions (and no time because she has to build up a criminal empire by your side).

...I'm starting to wonder just why I am defending a theory so much that I don't even believe in myself. XD!
Well, Sabrina was certainly older than Blue (I myself think that Blue matured really fast, and Sabrina...well, the opposite. XD!). Blue was around starting trainer age (aka 10) and Sabrina had to be at 15. So...okay, I see, I see, the theory *is* stupid, but only as long as we don't know Sabrina's true age in the manga. For all we know, she could be the opposite of anime May, and look like 15, but be 25 in reality.
And, hey, Giovanni seems to have enough money to get a nanny. After all, look at Koga, there's no sign of a wife or mother for Janine, so he probably took care of her himself, and that didn't seem to be a problem for Giovanni.
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*sigh* I think he founded TR a year ago before he was stopped by Red, or maybe two years, not earlier. Surge, Koga and Sabrina where members from the beginning (as you see in PokeSpec 14) and it would be too conspicious if three leaders disapper for such a long time, I guess. And 8-9 years before I don't think he would doubt his victory anyway. He doesn't seem to be that type of person. He even rebuilt TR after the Elite Four and Mask of Ice were stopped, right? That means he never give up, so why should he have doubts before even founded TR?

Oo Uhm, why do you think that he found TR just a year before RB? I mean, they have a nearly half-complete Mewtwo in their backyard, you seriously think it took just one year to have the basics for cloning a Pokemon and fulfill said task? A year is not enough for that, imo.
Like I said, I didn't read volume 14, but I think I read that somewhere else, too.
Come on, Green, Red and Blue saw that Sabrina and Surge were members of TR, and in GSC, they're again gym leaders and competeting in the gym leader's tournament. If *that* is no problem, then being gone for a while certainly isn't, too. And isn't Surge some kind of sailor, often on the sea?
Before he rebuilt it, he was gone for a long time. And the ending of Yellow certainly didn't give the the wipes of Giovanni being the strong man he claims to be. >>
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Trained by the Mask of Ice wasn't his plan. Anyway. The three gym leaders were executives (and his deputies) from the beginning, so why should he make his son to a lower-ranked henchman?
I think after recognizing Silver's his son, he wants him to join Tr, but in the days Silver was born he didn't think about Tr already, or at least didn't think about an heir.

First, I didn't mean training by the Mask of Ice. I meant that Silver was supposed to become a member of TR to be trained and then becoming the next leader. And well, the three gym leaders were gym leaders, so why not give them a higher ranking? Silver was just a mere trainer, he had no real position yet.
And still, we don't know when TR was founded, so he could have, or could have not thought about an heir back then.
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I know, but I thought you mean she actively opressed her hormons. I think it is just an adverse reaction. By the way, she liked Giovanni...

I don't think her *love* for Giovanni is that openly controlled by hormons, otherwise, she would react quite differently (A hormon-crazy Sabrina...ugh, horrible image x.x)
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She had a year to mature... Red arrived at the last day on the hotspring, and anyway, she was grown up menatl, of course, before that. It's just about her physical condition.
(After all, YOU started that theme about how strange it is she lookes so much older in GSC! xD)

I know you meant she had a year to mature, that funny picture was not meant to be serious (XD Not at all!). Yet, to go through, let's see, 10 years of maturing in the span of one year is still...ehm, weird to imagine. XD! (Can't we just blame it on the artist? lol) ...I know I started the topic, but I didn't know before that it would end up with such crazy theories. XD!
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And no, I guess you shouldn't... or maybe you should? It might be funny to see what you image next time... *g*

It has to be 1 am for me to think of crazy stuff. Remind me never to continue my story at this time. x.x I don't want to scare the readers.

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 10:18 AM

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Well, we were talking about the *biggest* scandal, and comparing Will to Lance...I guess in the case of Will, Lance would get realyl mad at him and shout at him and threat him with kicking him out and everything. Lance, on the other hand, could probably do whatever he wants, yet the public eye still watches him and for having an affair with Cynthia, he would certainly get in trouble, too.

Dependig on the fact that his relationship to Clair is well-known... does he sell his own stories to the yellow press as well? oO

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...hm, I can see what you think, but I'm still not too sure. If it's a natural ability, why shouldn't they be able to use that ability to, let's say, save or guard their trainers? Other Pokemon do the same with their kind of ability, and dark Pokemon maybe block psychic powers to save their trainers.
Because, you as a person may have, lets say, a natural ability to resist poison. That would help you if you're become bitten by a snake, but you cannot use this ability to help somebody other. It's just that it is inside you, a part of your genes, but you cannot use it intentional. And Dark Pokemon must have some anti-psychic powers if they really could manage to use their powers beyond their own bodies to shield a trainer or repress a psychic's mind, which they obviously don't have... Dark Attacks are for fighting only, like Crunch and Bite, and hit physical. And the only attacks of Psychic type they can learn are Rest (which every Pokemon can learn) and, some of them, Calm Mind, which in my eyes only shows their strong mind and probably a will to fight, but not any psychic powers at all.



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...I'm starting to wonder just why I am defending a theory so much that I don't even believe in myself. XD! [...] (Can't we just blame it on the artist? lol) ...I know I started the topic, but I didn't know before that it would end up with such crazy theories. XD!
Let's stop that... After all nobody of us believes in it and it's going weird, I guess. ^^"
Let's agree on the point that she was a short-term affair to him (or he to her? xD), if any.


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It has to be 1 am for me to think of crazy stuff. Remind me never to continue my story at this time. x.x I don't want to scare the readers.
I'm not be scared that easy, and reading something funny usually please me. xD

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Dependig on the fact that his relationship to Clair is well-known... does he sell his own stories to the yellow press as well? oO

Well, in my fanfic, he certainly does. XD But that is only my interpretation, as I make Lance quite the publicity-hungry and money-hungry leader who goes over the corpses of his underlings to receive profit and stuff. ^^
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Because, you as a person may have, lets say, a natural ability to resist poison. That would help you if you're become bitten by a snake, but you cannot use this ability to help somebody other. It's just that it is inside you, a part of your genes, but you cannot use it intentional.

I don't think a certain resistance to poison is saved in your genes, otherwise, your children would have no problem withstanding poison. Oo (BTW, I still think psychics themselves also have no problems with poison. Just like the Pokemon. But again, my own interpretation. 0=)
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And Dark Pokemon must have some anti-psychic powers if they really could manage to use their powers beyond their own bodies to shield a trainer or repress a psychic's mind, which they obviously don't have...

But then, you know that psychic pokemon can use moves like barrier, and that attack can certainly guard a human as well. And like always, I see both psychic and dark as kinda mental abilities, though they are opposites.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Dark Attacks are for fighting only, like Crunch and Bite, and hit physical.

Again, I see dark as kinda mental, because why should they be weak against fighting, then?
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Let's agree on the point that she was a short-term affair to him (or he to her? xD), if any.

XD Well, short-term affair needs both persons' will to happen, doesn't it? If one doesn't want, it doesn't count as a affair. And yes, I agree, affair is better. ^.~ And it explains stuff like her seeming to have a liking for Giovanni.
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I'm not be scared that easy, and reading something funny usually please me. xD

XD I won't be online for long today. x.x

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4649668)
Well, in my fanfic, he certainly does. XD But that is only my interpretation, as I make Lance quite the publicity-hungry and money-hungry leader who goes over the corpses of his underlings to receive profit and stuff. ^^

Ok then, but going about your own corpse is something different than just to sell the secrets of your underlings... ^^"

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I don't think a certain resistance to poison is saved in your genes, otherwise, your children would have no problem withstanding poison. Oo (BTW, I still think psychics themselves also have no problems with poison. Just like the Pokemon. But again, my own interpretation. 0=)
It must be, because everything physical is saved there... probabaly some sort of mutation, which hardly is given to a child. (On the other hand, that sort of mutations lead to the genesis of new animals and plants in our world...) Don't let us talk about Psychics and their problems with poison, we would argue about that again, and it was a random example. Better would be: an African could withstand high temperatures better than an European, but he couldn't protect him from the sun.

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But then, you know that psychic pokemon can use moves like barrier, and that attack can certainly guard a human as well. And like always, I see both psychic and dark as kinda mental abilities, though they are opposites.
I don't think so. As Dark is another interpretation for "Evil", the opposite of Dark would be "Good" or "light". In my eyes Fighting is the opposite to Psychic. Remember, with the release of DP many attacks changed from physical to psychic and the other way. But all old fighting moves remained to be physical, and all Psychic moves remained psychical, so they are the very essence of physical and psychal powers, which made them to opposites in my eyes. Dark, or better Evil, may be connected with your mentality, but not with psychic powers you may have or not. Therefore, a Psychic Pokemon using reflect uses its own mental powers to affect reality, but a Dark Pokemon withstanding a Psychic attack just profits from its type-given genetic advantage without being able to use this very essence of itself to affect reality in a way a Psychic Pokemon or human could do.

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Again, I see dark as kinda mental, because why should they be weak against fighting, then?
Why resists Steel Psychic attacks, when every Psychic Pokemon can bend a spoon? Probably because Dark needed some weaknesses... You could ask why it's weak to Bug, too. Doesn't make sense either, I think.

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XD Well, short-term affair needs both persons' will to happen, doesn't it? If one doesn't want, it doesn't count as a affair. And yes, I agree, affair is better. ^.~ And it explains stuff like her seeming to have a liking for Giovanni.
So we could end this after a day of debatting. We truly would make good politicians. ^^

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Ok then, but going about your own corpse is something different than just to sell the secrets of your underlings... ^^"

I didn't mean that literally. XD i just meant that Lance would nearly do anything for a good story, but of course not the death of one of his trainers, because that, one the other hand, would make up tons of stories, but no good ones.
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It must be, because everything physical is saved there... probabaly some sort of mutation, which hardly is given to a child.

Oo I still don't think that this is possible..I mean physical things would also be if you trained your body to be a super fantastic bodybuilder, but your kid won't look like mini-Schwarzenegger when born...
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Don't let us talk about Psychics and their problems with poison, we would argue about that again, and it was a random example.

...hey, I do like arguing. And there has to be some reason as to why psychic withstands poison.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Better would be: an African could withstand high temperatures better than an European, but he couldn't protect him from the sun.

I'm not sure if that has something to do with genes or simple the enviroment you grew up. And psychic and dark powers seem to be in the genes, or aren't they? (Okay, I'm kinda contradicting myself in my story, too, as Will is no born psychic, yet, there are no real theories about this...)
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I don't think so. As Dark is another interpretation for "Evil", the opposite of Dark would be "Good" or "light".

I disagree. Dark Pokemon are not evil. >> They are just as social as every other kind of Pokemon. They're just dark, but not evil.
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Dark, or better Evil, may be connected with your mentality, but not with psychic powers you may have or not.

But psychic powers= mentality, so why can't there be a connection?
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Therefore, a Psychic Pokemon using reflect uses its own mental powers to affect reality, but a Dark Pokemon withstanding a Psychic attack just profits from its type-given genetic advantage without being able to use this very essence of itself to affect reality in a way a Psychic Pokemon or human could do.

I stil don't see the point, I mean, psychic and dark powers are very similar, both are genetic-given, so why shouldn't dark Pokemon be able to do something out of their body, so to say? Sadly, I don't know many dark attacks, I just looked up bulbapedia, and well, okay, a lot of dark attacks are physical there. Still, just because they're physical doesn't mean that they can't extend over to other persons/pokemon. I have to defend one of my main points in my fic! XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Why resists Steel Psychic attacks, when every Psychic Pokemon can bend a spoon? Probably because Dark needed some weaknesses... You could ask why it's weak to Bug, too. Doesn't make sense either, I think.

Well, steel, maybe because they're not made out of flesh like most living beings, and of cold metal, and so, influencing their minds is harder? *shrugs* No idea, and no idea about bug types, either. I can understand it, though, I hate spiders, too. *g*
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So we could end this after a day of debatting. We truly would make good politicians. ^^

XD Yeah, but our discussion about dark/psychic still has not finished.

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 12:58 PM

You forgot about the point that in my eyes fighting is the opposite to psychic. Don't you have any arguments? ^^



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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4649856)
I didn't mean that literally.

I know. But honestly, making money with the secrets ans relatonships of his underlings in easy, but selling himself? Seems to be a bad idea.

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Oo I still don't think that this is possible..I mean physical things would also be if you trained your body to be a super fantastic bodybuilder, but your kid won't look like mini-Schwarzenegger when born...
I mean natural-given things.

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I'm not sure if that has something to do with genes or simple the enviroment you grew up. And psychic and dark powers seem to be in the genes, or aren't they? (Okay, I'm kinda contradicting myself in my story, too, as Will is no born psychic, yet, there are no real theories about this...)
Don't forget that the environment influences the genes. Foxes on North pole had warm, white coats and small ears, while Desert Foxes have brown, short hairs and that big ears. It's adaption. And besides, an african is born with a darker colour skin (that shouldn't be rascistic!), so his withstandness to the sunlight is genetic, because otherwise children of africans born in Europe would be of pale skin.

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I disagree. Dark Pokemon are not evil. >> They are just as social as every other kind of Pokemon. They're just dark, but not evil.
In my opinion, they are. Being social to others of your kind doesn't mean you couldn't be evil. And I doubt the power of night or darkness would give you the mental power to withstand psychic.


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But psychic powers= mentality, so why can't there be a connection?
Look, I meaned Evilness/Darkness is a question of morality. It was a wrong phrase by me.

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I stil don't see the point, I mean, psychic and dark powers are very similar, both are genetic-given, so why shouldn't dark Pokemon be able to do something out of their body, so to say? Sadly, I don't know many dark attacks, I just looked up bulbapedia, and well, okay, a lot of dark attacks are physical there. Still, just because they're physical doesn't mean that they can't extend over to other persons/pokemon. I have to defend one of my main points in my fic! XD
...I know, it's your fic and I don't want to destory it in any way. But I can't assign this time. Well, how should you protect somebody with a Crunch? Biting in the air? Or how could you use Bite to lift an objekt with your mind or teleport? It's no way.
It's just that dark Pokemon may have a strong mind and withstand Psychic, but that's all. I guess their mind is so strong that they could built up a barrage in their head to block anything Psychic, but to profite from that as a human, your mind must be connected with the Dark Pokemons mind - which is impossible of course because of its mental barrage! Or probably - just probably! - you could awake such a strong mind in yourself while training Dark Pokemon a long time, such as Will awakes his powers in your story. But that's the only agreement I can make, because I think my point is rationally more logical than yours.
(To come closer to your point - a last thinking. The way a Dark Pokemon attacks could use that power creating its mental barrage. Let's say, if Dark Pokemon are over-emotional, they use this emotion in their attacks (That's logical to me at least, because emotions could protect you from attacks on your attitude (I'm sure that's the wrong word)... Well, being an idealist helps you not to take strokes of fate as hard as others would. that may fit it best...). Cause a Psychics mind is that fragile and he hides emotions not to weak his powers, that may be the reason why this emotion-powered Dark attacks are so powerful against Psychic human and Pokemon. Do you accept this? =] )


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Well, steel, maybe because they're not made out of flesh like most living beings, and of cold metal, and so, influencing their minds is harder? *shrugs* No idea, and no idea about bug types, either. I can understand it, though, I hate spiders, too. *g*
Maybe. But I thought in the way that the Psychic Pokemon would attack its body mentally, not its mind. Just like a Sith could strangulate yourself with his mind's powers.

Alakazam17 May 18th, 2009 11:58 AM

So, I see you've joined us Wyyrlokk. Welcome to the club! :D

Yeah, I've been away for a week, but now I'm back! Wow...I just went through the PC WiFi Tournament and the Ultimate Monotype Challenge, and even the Sailor Moon Fan Guild, and I'm now caught up on everything that was said in each of them. But here....we sure do post a lot, eh? :P

Well, everyone knows what my plans are fic-wise, so I see no point in repeating myself, right? XD Just know that I'll have a lot of funky BlackVelvet moments, and best of all, NO WILL! ^______^

Wyyrlokk May 18th, 2009 8:59 PM

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So, I see you've joined us Wyyrlokk. Welcome to the club! :D

Thank you. Finding this club was one of my better moments last week.

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Well, everyone knows what my plans are fic-wise, so I see no point in repeating myself, right? XD Just know that I'll have a lot of funky BlackVelvet moments, and best of all, NO WILL! ^______^
Everything with Sabrina in it is great, and Sabrina without Will is even better. ^^

Alakazam17 May 19th, 2009 5:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4654219)
Everything with Sabrina in it is great, and Sabrina without Will is even better. ^^

!!!!!!!

Oh my god, that line just made my day, XD. We have another Anti-Psychic-Shipper in the house. foxyay! :D

Wyyrlokk May 19th, 2009 6:57 AM

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!!!!!!!

Oh my god, that line just made my day, XD. We have another Anti-Psychic-Shipper in the house. foxyay! :D

P*A foretold that you'll be happy about that... xD

(Oh, and I guess it drives her crazy. ^^)

Alakazam17 May 19th, 2009 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4655020)
P*A foretold that you'll be happy about that... xD

(Oh, and I guess it drives her crazy. ^^)

Haha, but of course it's a good crazy.

...right P*A? *hides*

Wyyrlokk May 20th, 2009 7:40 AM

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Haha, but of course it's a good crazy.

I wouldn't bet on that... xD

(But I'm questioning myself if, from Psychicshipper's point of view, a story without Will is worse than a story with Will as the villain?)

Psychic*Absol May 20th, 2009 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
You forgot about the point that in my eyes fighting is the opposite to psychic. Don't you have any arguments? ^^

Well, can't one lement have more than one opposite? XD And in my eyes, Psychic- Dark - Fighting is rather a triangle than two separate opposites. (Worded funnily, I know. >>;;;)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
I know. But honestly, making money with the secrets ans relatonships of his underlings in easy, but selling himself? Seems to be a bad idea.

Lance is certainly one of the more popular elite four trainers, if not the most popular, so why should he not seel himself? And the public doesn't have to know that he kinda sold himself, as long as they get the stories. What I mean is that Lance gets the paparazzi, they get their stories, but no one outside of the league has to know that Lance himself *sold himself*. (Reason why Sabrina knows about his policy, but some worker that reads the local yellow press paper doesn't. That, and she's psychic, of course she knows. XD!)
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I mean natural-given things.

Hoe is building muscles not as natural as withstanding poison? Oo
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
Don't forget that the environment influences the genes. Foxes on North pole had warm, white coats and small ears, while Desert Foxes have brown, short hairs and that big ears. It's adaption. And besides, an african is born with a darker colour skin (that shouldn't be rascistic!), so his withstandness to the sunlight is genetic, because otherwise children of africans born in Europe would be of pale skin.

I see your point, this is something that lies in the genes, but again, prove first that if you're good at withstanding poison, your child has no problems with that, too. Because I really don't believe that.
Oh, I forgot about enviroment influencing the genes...well, I can't realyl see what kind of enviroment would influence psychic or dark abilities. If you have an example, feel free to impress me with it. XD!
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In my opinion, they are. Being social to others of your kind doesn't mean you couldn't be evil.

This is the case, but then, *every* Pokemon could be called evil, because all of them are kinda social to others of the ´kind, but not other species (There was a pair of Pokemon that hates each other, I cannot just remember the names...Jessie had the snake one... >.<)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
Look, I meaned Evilness/Darkness is a question of morality. It was a wrong phrase by me.

First, I always saw "Dark" as a representation of the night and the colour black and everything connected with that, not evilness (so I kinda welcome the German name for dark, it fits, imo). Because I can't just think of a whole species of Pokemon being damned to be evil, just because of their type's name. Oo
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Cause a Psychics mind is that fragile

*cough* You're quoting my fic...
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Do you accept this? =] )

To end this endless discussion, yes. XD Next endless topic please. XD!!!
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Maybe. But I thought in the way that the Psychic Pokemon would attack its body mentally, not its mind. Just like a Sith could strangulate yourself with his mind's powers.

..didn't you say that dark Pokemon equal Sith? And now a Sith strangulates you with your mind's power...hm....

No comment at your discussion with Zammy. >> I feel underpowered here. (And yes, for a psychicshipper, a story without Will is worse than one where he is the villain. Latter can still include hints. Can't it, Zammy? 0=) )

@Zammy: ...after talking about all of that BlackVelvetShippyness, I would be very happy if I FINALLY SAW THAT DAMN NEW CHAPTER WITH MY OWN EYES!!!!
Oh, and plz beta-read. A certain new reader is blackmailing me. 0=)

Wyyrlokk May 20th, 2009 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4658121)
Well, can't one lement have more than one opposite? XD And in my eyes, Psychic- Dark - Fighting is rather a triangle than two separate opposites. (Worded funnily, I know. >>

It's no triangle, because a triangle has to work in both directions.
See, Water-Fire-Grass is a triangle. Water is effective against Fire, and Fire is effectiv against Grass, and Grass is effective against Water. Going the other way around, Water isn't effective against Grass, as well as Grass isn't effective against Fire and Fire isn't effective against Water. So that's the concept of a triangle.
Let's look again. Psychic is effective against Fighting; Fighting is effective against Dark; Dark is effective against Psychic. And the other way around? Dark isn't effective against Fighting. Fighting isn't effective against Psychic. And Psychic - doesn't effect Dark!
That breaks the concept of the triangle and is the reason why Nintendo will never create a game with a Psychic, a Dark and a Fighting Pokemon as starters.
[I have to admit that this wasn't my awareness.]

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I cannot just remember the names...Jessie had the snake one... >.<)
It's Seviper and Zangoose. It bases on the fights between cobra and mongoose in nature.

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*cough* You're quoting my fic...
Isn't it in your interest that somebody keeps it that well in mind, and even use your version in discussions? xD

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To end this endless discussion, yes. XD Next endless topic please. XD!!!
After catfighting for days, I think we should end it here, yes. Of course we could discuss that for years. xD To avoid that, I'm not quoting the passages about that theme now. Another theme? I guess we would find one very fast. xD

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No comment at your discussion with Zammy. >> I feel underpowered here. (And yes, for a psychicshipper, a story without Will is worse than one where he is the villain. Latter can still include hints. )
What have we said a while ago? You get Psychicshipping, and I get Sabrina? ^^



[My eyes only: Hm, I should better be more cautious while blackmailing somebody... ]

Psychic*Absol May 21st, 2009 8:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4658961)
Let's look again. Psychic is effective against Fighting; Fighting is effective against Dark; Dark is effective against Psychic. And the other way around? Dark isn't effective against Fighting. Fighting isn't effective against Psychic. And Psychic - doesn't effect Dark!
That breaks the concept of the triangle and is the reason why Nintendo will never create a game with a Psychic, a Dark and a Fighting Pokemon as starters.

First, I was aware that Psychic does not effect dark (though, miracle eye, anyone? *g*), but still, it's closer to a triangle than many other elements. And for fanfic symbolic purposes, it fits. (Yes, I'm seeing this with the mind of a writer again, and not with the one of a logical thinking person).
Not to mention that there were rumours of a group of dark, psychic and fighting starters, but these ended up being fake (much to my dismay, these fake starters looked cuter than the real ones. >.<)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4658961)
It's Seviper and Zangoose. It bases on the fights between cobra and mongoose in nature.

Thanks for the names. I forgot them. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4658961)
Isn't it in your interest that somebody keeps it that well in mind, and even use your version in discussions? xD

XD Alas, my fanfic is copyright material, so no use without asking me first!
(I'm only kidding, of course I'm happy when someone memorizes my fic that well. Rarely happens. ^^ Though I *know* I use quotes from other fics frequently in mine...)
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After catfighting for days, I think we should end it here, yes. Of course we could discuss that for years. xD To avoid that, I'm not quoting the passages about that theme now. Another theme? I guess we would find one very fast. xD

Oh, I wouldn't call it catfighting. This is what we have debating lessons for, no?
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What have we said a while ago? You get Psychicshipping, and I get Sabrina? ^^

;.; But Psychicshipping does not work without Sabrina!
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[My eyes only: Hm, I should better be more cautious while blackmailing somebody... ]

*raises eyebrow* Blackmailing? Hm...
*g*

Wyyrlokk May 22nd, 2009 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4660968)
First, I was aware that Psychic does not effect dark (though, miracle eye, anyone? *g*), but still, it's closer to a triangle than many other elements. And for fanfic symbolic purposes, it fits. (Yes, I'm seeing this with the mind of a writer again, and not with the one of a logical thinking person).
Not to mention that there were rumours of a group of dark, psychic and fighting starters, but these ended up being fake (much to my dismay, these fake starters looked cuter than the real ones. >.<)

The only possible starter triangles working in a rock-paper-scissors fashion (and the same with resistances in reverse) other than the traditional Fire/Water/Grass are Rock/Fighting/Flying, Fire/Rock/Steel and Grass/Poison/Ground.

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XD Alas, my fanfic is copyright material, so no use without asking me first!
(I'm only kidding, of course I'm happy when someone memorizes my fic that well. Rarely happens. ^^ Though I *know* I use quotes from other fics frequently in mine...)
If only use it to defeat you with your own weapons... xD

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Oh, I wouldn't call it catfighting. This is what we have debating lessons for, no?
...so it is catfighting. ^^" I think PE lessons helps a lot there, too. xD

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;.; But Psychicshipping does not work without Sabrina!
Just use your dreams. Psychicshipping is only an idea (as I define it, a nightmare...), so you could imagine it even if Sabrina is mine. (Of course, Psychicshipping is even more implausible then...)

Psychic*Absol May 22nd, 2009 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4663190)
The only possible starter triangles working in a rock-paper-scissors fashion (and the same with resistances in reverse) other than the traditional Fire/Water/Grass are Rock/Fighting/Flying, Fire/Rock/Steel and Grass/Poison/Ground.

...but these elements don't sound so fascinating as starting elements. ;.;
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If only use it to defeat you with your own weapons... xD

Ah, remember, each of my fanfics is a different universe in itself, so I can build up several different opinions in them with never showing what I truly think. 0=) Elements may be similair, but that may not be of any importance.
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...so it is catfighting. ^^" I think PE lessons helps a lot there, too. xD

...Oo Catfighting= debating? (Alas, I'm the only half-kitty here!!!) And PE...no, I fail at that. ;.;
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Just use your dreams. Psychicshipping is only an idea (as I define it, a nightmare...), so you could imagine it even if Sabrina is mine.

...hm, you mean I should imagine that Will steals Sabrina from you? Thanks, that's a really sweet dream. 0=)
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(Of course, Psychicshipping is even more implausible then...)

...maybe you *are* Will in another universe? XD (And heck, if we take it seriosly, almost every shipping is implausible in the Pokemon world. >> Do we even have ONE canon one? >>) Pikachu x Buneary, lol

Wyyrlokk May 22nd, 2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4663424)
...but these elements don't sound so fascinating as starting elements. ;.;

True, but it's about the balance of the game...

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...Oo Catfighting= debating? (Alas, I'm the only half-kitty here!!!) And PE...no, I fail at that. ;.;
I guess catfighting is some sort of debating, after all. xD

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...hm, you mean I should imagine that Will steals Sabrina from you? Thanks, that's a really sweet dream. 0=)
Imaging all that havoc I create by putting the world in flames to get her back and kill that bastard would fit your definition of sweetness? o_O"


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...maybe you *are* Will in another universe? XD (And heck, if we take it seriosly, almost every shipping is implausible in the Pokemon world. >> Do we even have ONE canon one? >>) Pikachu x Buneary, lol
You want to make Zammy hate me?

Well, the makers don't want to take away the fun we have with speculations and dreams. ^^

Psychic*Absol May 22nd, 2009 1:24 PM

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Post #100... ôO

Congrats. ^^ I'm close to 2,000th and wish I already had 2,000 so I could beat Zammy easier.
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True, but it's about the balance of the game...

Screw the balance, coolness is more important! *hides* I see your point, but still...I wil always see psychic-dark-fighting as a triangle. >>
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I guess catfighting is some sort of debating, after all. xD

Debating between cats. 0=)
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Imaging all that havoc I create by putting the world in flames to get her back and kill that bastard would fit your definition of sweetness? o_O"

Yes, if Will dies trying to save Sabrina from you, then yes. 0=)
Seriously, what would you do if Sabrina fell in love with another men (not necessarily Will) and not you? Kill him? Oo
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You want to make Zammy hate me?

No, maybe he would startliking Will then? 0=)
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Well, the makers don't want to take away the fun we have with speculations and dreams. ^^

...yeah, they surely didn't take away any dreams with the whole Brandon-Paul deal. >>
And I guess a lot of Poke-, Advance-, Ikari- and other -shippers would disagree with you and *love* to see more shippings scenes.
I would almost be happy enough if they just showed that Will is even alive and existing in the Pokemon Anime world. ;.; Poor guy gets ignored all the time.

Wyyrlokk May 24th, 2009 10:05 AM

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Yes, if Will dies trying to save Sabrina from you, then yes. 0=)

Well, we are at the point that he have to steal her from me, in fact that's kidnapping. =_=

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Seriously, what would you do if Sabrina fell in love with another men (not necessarily Will) and not you? Kill him? Oo
If she is in relationship with me and he (whoever he is) breaks it up to get her... then yes, maybe. Otherwise, I may have to accept it. ;_;

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No, maybe he would startliking Will then? 0=)
Probably he should answer that by himself... but personally I don't think so. There would be still a Will between him and Sabrina.

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...yeah, they surely didn't take away any dreams with the whole Brandon-Paul deal. >>
Don't know what you're meaning... ^^"

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And I guess a lot of Poke-, Advance-, Ikari- and other -shippers would disagree with you and *love* to see more shippings scenes.
Surely, but in fact 2/3 of the Ash+...-shippers would be unlucky, so there's no chance for them.

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I would almost be happy enough if they just showed that Will is even alive and existing in the Pokemon Anime world. ;.; Poor guy gets ignored all the time.
That's because you are his only fan

Psychic*Absol May 24th, 2009 10:24 AM

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Well, we are at the point that he have to steal her from me, in fact that's kidnapping. =_=

Only as long as Sabrina doesn't want to be 'kidnapped'...0=)
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If she is in relationship with me and he (whoever he is) breaks it up to get her... then yes, maybe.

...on the one hand, I like how you would kill for her (I probably would, too), on the other, it means that we Sabrina fans could be potentially dangerous for ourselves. XD!
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Otherwise, I may have to accept it. ;_;

^^ Ah, see, that's the attitude we like and want. XD!!!
j/k
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Probably he should answer that by himself...

For that, he first needs to come online. >> *pokes Zammy*
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but personally I don't think so. There would be still a Will between him and Sabrina.

*lol* Isn't it funny that, either way, Zammy still has a guy between him and Sabrina?
And we are not even talking about the girls yet...
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Don't know what you're meaning... ^^"

Ah, there was a big discussion in all sorts of forums that maybe, maybe, Brandon is Paul's father because of various hints, but alas, the anime disappointed us. >>
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Surely, but in fact 2/3 of the Ash+...-shippers would be unlucky, so there's no chance for them.

Hm, I see, you're right. If they please one kind of shippers, the others will be left unhappy. I guess if they want to please the majority, they should go for Pokeshipping, but then, they would surely loose me as a watcher. x.x (Though, if they decided to throw in a special with Sabrina...or Will...or both...ahem...)
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That's because you are his only fan

Not his only! His only active fan in this club anymore! XD But there ARE more, I know. We even had a Will FC here once.

Wyyrlokk May 24th, 2009 10:50 AM

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Only as long as Sabrina doesn't want to be 'kidnapped'...0=)

You think she would cheat on her partner? -.- *angry mode to defend her honour*

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...on the one hand, I like how you would kill for her (I probably would, too), on the other, it means that we Sabrina fans could be potentially dangerous for ourselves. XD!
That might be a way for her to decimate the number of possible partners... the strongest will survive. xD

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^^ Ah, see, that's the attitude we like and want. XD!!!
Want to say that you wouldn't accept her choice? In that case, I don't have to simulate morality... *evil grin*

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*lol* Isn't it funny that, either way, Zammy still has a guy between him and Sabrina?
Which leads us back to the fact that we still would kill ourselves for her... I think the manga Sabrina would be amused. Or even delighted.

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(Though, if they decided to throw in a special with Sabrina...or Will...or both...ahem...)
...it wouldn't be a red-letter-day for Zammy and me. Only if there is only Sabrina. Best without anyone else.

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Not his only! His only active fan in this club anymore! XD But there ARE more, I know. We even had a Will FC here once.
So all his fans in that club probably died a horrible and mysterious death... Zammy? Do you know anything about that? *g*


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