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Wyyrlokk May 14th, 2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4641442)
Probably yes. >> *walks away with head hanging down in shame

*evil grin*

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XD!! Me neither. Sabrina is too...ehm...intelligent? XD She would see right through the men and turn them into dolls before they had a chance to jump at her.
Thinking of her battle with bugsy, probably Reflect (or was it Barrage?) would do the job as well. Besides, what should she do with that many dolls of naked men?


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>> Yes, dear, it can be true. It can be, sadly. >> Ask him once he's online again. Next week, I think.
Er... well...

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He's weaker than Sabrina...at least in the games...heck, one ELITE trainer, weaker than the GYM LEADER of the element. Reminds me of how underlevelled the GSC elite four were. Sabrina for elite four in HG/SS!!!! Come on, we had Koga, throw him out! And make it psychicshippy while you're at it, game creators!
Not Koga please, Bruno instead. And by the way, I always thought of Sabrina to be stronger than him, so where's the problem? xD
(I hardly doubt there will be ANY shipping in a game mostly aligned to children, so I don't even have to say "No please, don't give her away!" because it would not happen anyway I hope .)

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I wouldn't like to win that way, too, and I think so far I never had a battle where I used more then five hyper potions. Mostly before I gave up before it could come down to such a battle. >>
But yeah, I trained my Espeon for days until her big battle. Aw, still proud of her. XD!
I was running out of time, so it was the only way. Giving up is rarely an alternative to me, and never in a battle like that. It was against the abhorred archenemy, so I simply couldn't loose.

Psychic*Absol May 14th, 2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641513)
Besides, what should she do with that many dolls of naked men?

Sell them? XD She herself has (hopefully) no use for them, but other girls...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641513)
Not Koga please, Bruno instead.

Hm, now that you say it...yes, Bruno plz. *fighter's bias 0=) )
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641513)
And by the way, I always thought of Sabrina to be stronger than him, so where's the problem? xD

...he is a friggin ELITE FOUR!!! The elite four are supposed to be the strongest trainers in a region. And a simple gym leader, even of the same element, is STRONGER than him. Does that make sense? >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641513)
(I hardly doubt there will be ANY shipping in a game mostly aligned to children, so I don't even have to say "No please, don't give her away!" because it would not happen anyway I hope .)

...ehm, Misty and the bridge of love, plz? 0=) I would so *love* to see a little masked sprite and the one of the girl with long hair there....ehm, okay, I know, I'm only dreaming, too, but that's what fanfics are for. *goes back to writing Spring's Revenge*...remind me to give you the link, I forgot again. >.<
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641513)
I was running out of time, so it was the only way. Giving up is rarely an alternative to me, and never in a battle like that. It was against the abhorred archenemy, so I simply couldn't loose.

XD!! Abhorred archenemy? *THEN* you should so read Spring's Revenge (but not Grasping the Moon >.<) . Nice interaction between Karen and Sabrina there. Really nice. 0=)
...never noticed that I'm a psychic *Absol*? I love both dark and psychic types. Don't hurt me. *hides* XD

Wyyrlokk May 14th, 2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4641546)
Sell them? XD She herself has (hopefully) no use for them, but other girls...

I suddenly wish I hadn't ask...

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Hm, now that you say it...yes, Bruno plz. *fighter's bias 0=) )
I don't have anything against him. He was quite nice to defeat. ^^ But that's the point - he was too easy in all the games, and he was in B/R/G, G/S/C and FR/LG. That's enough, I think.

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...he is a friggin ELITE FOUR!!! The elite four are supposed to be the strongest trainers in a region. And a simple gym leader, even of the same element, is STRONGER than him. Does that make sense? >>
It has indeed, because it's not a simple gym leader, it's Sabrina!!! *growl*

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...ehm, Misty and the bridge of love, plz? 0=) I would so *love* to see a little masked sprite and the one of the girl with long hair there....ehm, okay, I know, I'm only dreaming, too, but that's what fanfics are for. *goes back to writing Spring's Revenge*...remind me to give you the link, I forgot again. >.<
LINK PLZ!!!
Well, that Misty story... ok. But this was only one time with a random guy who isn't even named in the games.

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XD!! Abhorred archenemy? *THEN* you should so read Spring's Revenge (but not Grasping the Moon >.<) . Nice interaction between Karen and Sabrina there. Really nice. 0=)
...never noticed that I'm a psychic *Absol*? I love both dark and psychic types. Don't hurt me. *hides* XD
I love Dark Pokemon too (don't you visit my profile? oO), but Wyyrlok (my current ingame character for the Challenge) doesn't do so. And it's the Psychic Monotype Challenge, so of course Dark is the abhorrend Archenemy, for obvious reasons (so would Psychic be in a Fighting Monotype Challenge).

Psychic*Absol May 15th, 2009 9:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
I suddenly wish I hadn't ask...

XD Your mistake.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
I don't have anything against him. He was quite nice to defeat. ^^ But that's the point - he was too easy in all the games, and he was in B/R/G, G/S/C and FR/LG. That's enough, I think.

Meh, I have something against fighters. They're ugly. >> And they had a gym title before Sabrina's gym had hers. Yes, she did defeat them, yet I still think the former is a reason for me to hate them. 0=)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
It has indeed, because it's not a simple gym leader, it's Sabrina!!! *growl*

...so, then, tell me, if she's that strong, why hasn't she tried to get a spot in the elite four herself? She got her gym title, another gym leader managed to become elite four, so why not her? 0=)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
LINK PLZ!!!

Sorry, I do not own any Zelda games...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
Well, that Misty story... ok. But this was only one time with a random guy who isn't even named in the games.

So what? It was still some kind of romantic story. Why not try it with canon characters? 0=)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
I love Dark Pokemon too (don't you visit my profile? oO),

No, I didn't. ...I failed as a stalker. ;.;
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4641607)
but Wyyrlok (my current ingame character for the Challenge) doesn't do so. And it's the Psychic Monotype Challenge, so of course Dark is the abhorrend Archenemy, for obvious reasons (so would Psychic be in a Fighting Monotype Challenge).

Kinda offtopic question, but where does that name come from, anyway? XD
And hey, my in-game character Amelie (hit me, I know I use her for nearly everything *hides*) likes dark and psychic Pokemon. She even (always) uses a team of psychic and dark Pokemon. Heck, my whole fic (the big one) is based around the fact that psychic and dark are complete opposites yet *can* work together. (Spring's Revenge does so, too, strangely. Oo I just noticed that myself....)

Wyyrlokk May 15th, 2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4643947)
Meh, I have something against fighters. They're ugly. >> And they had a gym title before Sabrina's gym had hers. Yes, she did defeat them, yet I still think the former is a reason for me to hate them. 0=)

I'd thought they had both their title at the same time, but in the fight about which gym will be the official one she beats him... Is that wrong? oO Anyway, always when I won against a fighting gym leader (or Bruno) it's a reminding to Sabrinas victory, so it's quite funny to me to beat them. Therefore, they have a use.

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...so, then, tell me, if she's that strong, why hasn't she tried to get a spot in the elite four herself? She got her gym title, another gym leader managed to become elite four, so why not her? 0=)
Because, as she tells in the games, she doesn't like fighting. And in the PokeSpec, there was an alternate reason for building the second Elite Four.

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So what? It was still some kind of romantic story. Why not try it with canon characters? 0=)
Because that would destroy the illusions of many fans. And lowering the number of fans is definitely not what Nintendo would risk if there's any way to avoid it. Probably that's also a reason why Ash doesn't have a relation to anyone.

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No, I didn't. ...I failed as a stalker. ;.;
So you stalk me already? oO

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Kinda offtopic question, but where does that name come from, anyway? XD
And hey, my in-game character Amelie (hit me, I know I use her for nearly everything *hides*) likes dark and psychic Pokemon. She even (always) uses a team of psychic and dark Pokemon. Heck, my whole fic (the big one) is based around the fact that psychic and dark are complete opposites yet *can* work together. (Spring's Revenge does so, too, strangely. Oo I just noticed that myself....)
I stealed that name out of the "Star Wars Legacy" Arc. Darth Wyyrlok (III), a Chagrian, is, as his mother was, a high-ranked servant of the One Sith and Darth Krayt.
It was random the choose his name, but I like him and use his name every time I couldn't use 'Nihilus'. And honestly, a Sith Lord as a Psychic trainer isn't that farfetched.

Psychic*Absol May 15th, 2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
I'd thought they had both their title at the same time, but in the fight about which gym will be the official one she beats him... Is that wrong? oO

...according to the games, it isn't, but well, I like to make my own interpretations. After all, Sabrina is clearly younger then the master of the fighting dojo, now, isn't she? (Okay, far-fetched, so what? XD I like to make up fanon stories...)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
Anyway, always when I won against a fighting gym leader (or Bruno) it's a reminding to Sabrinas victory, so it's quite funny to me to beat them. Therefore, they have a use.

A fighting type gym leader, okay, but not an elite four. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
Because, as she tells in the games, she doesn't like fighting. And in the PokeSpec, there was an alternate reason for building the second Elite Four.

Then, tell me, why did she become gym leader at all if she does not like to fight? She didn't have to, now, did she? And it still is weird, a gym leader who doesn't like fighting is stronger thn the elite four of this type, the elite four who may like fighting. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
Because that would destroy the illusions of many fans. And lowering the number of fans is definitely not what Nintendo would risk if there's any way to avoid it. Probably that's also a reason why Ash doesn't have a relation to anyone.

(well, okay, I admit, my idea is delusional, but I cannot help but imagine...a game, where you double-battle Sabrina and Will...and they might be married and...okay, I shut up. *ggg*)
Don't tell that the thousands of Pokeshippers or they rip your head of. (And that would be a big loss for the club. XD!)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
So you stalk me already? oO

*hides in the shadows*
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
I stealed that name out of the "Star Wars Legacy" Arc. Darth Wyyrlok (III), a Chagrian, is, as his mother was, a high-ranked servant of the One Sith and Darth Krayt.

Oh, Star Wars!!! *old Star Wars Fan, though not active anymore, talking here* XD They always have the freakiest names.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644067)
It was random the choose his name, but I like him and use his name every time I couldn't use 'Nihilus'. And honestly, a Sith Lord as a Psychic trainer isn't that farfetched.

...for me, the psychics are rather the Jedi and the darklings are the Sith, but meh, it's up tp everyone to choose...

Wyyrlokk May 15th, 2009 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4644107)
...according to the games, it isn't, but well, I like to make my own interpretations. After all, Sabrina is clearly younger then the master of the fighting dojo, now, isn't she? (Okay, far-fetched, so what? XD I like to make up fanon stories...)

Well, but that doesn't really beat my argument, does it? Maybe we're both right.

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Then, tell me, why did she become gym leader at all if she does not like to fight? She didn't have to, now, did she? And it still is weird, a gym leader who doesn't like fighting is stronger thn the elite four of this type, the elite four who may like fighting. >>
I'd known that you'll come up with this. I surrender.

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(well, okay, I admit, my idea is delusional, but I cannot help but imagine...a game, where you double-battle Sabrina and Will...and they might be married and...okay, I shut up. *ggg*)
Well, you battle Flint and Volkner in a 2vs2 on Platinum, and it's known they were very close friends... does it mean they have a relationship? xD You could image whatever you want, but if Nintendo really comes up with that, I'll have to rip off some heads myself, too.

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Don't tell that the thousands of Pokeshippers or they rip your head of. (And that would be a big loss for the club. XD!)
I think that they are too busy battling against each other about the fact if Misty, May or Dawn would fit him most.

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...for me, the psychics are rather the Jedi and the darklings are the Sith, but meh, it's up tp everyone to choose...
I guess Sabrina (in every version) or PokeSpec Will wouldn't be Jedi. x_x And Dark trainers don't have mental powers, do they? I think they're just... well, evil. xD

Psychic*Absol May 15th, 2009 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
Well, but that doesn't really beat my argument, does it? Maybe we're both right.

*shrugs* Let's agree on a tie, neh?
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I'd known that you'll come up with this. I surrender.

XD!!!!! One of us is a mind-reader...0=) (And yay, I beat someone. lol)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
Well, you battle Flint and Volkner in a 2vs2 on Platinum, and it's known they were very close friends... does it mean they have a relationship? xD

You haven't read the fanfics yet, you haven't read the fanfics yet...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
You could image whatever you want, but if Nintendo really comes up with that, I'll have to rip off some heads myself, too.

...meh, I wouldn't care. 0=) Same rights for everyone! XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
I think that they are too busy battling against each other about the fact if Misty, May or Dawn would fit him most.

...still, the Pokeshipping fans are the majority and though I really hate Pokeshipping and I would love to exclaim that, I'm a bit worried about the consequences...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4644144)
I guess Sabrina (in every version) or PokeSpec Will wouldn't be Jedi. x_x And Dark trainers don't have mental powers, do they? I think they're just... well, evil. xD

...why not? I mean, it's been too long since I last watched Star Wars, but the thing distinguishing the Jedi and the Sith was that the Jedi were, well, 'good' and the Sith 'evil' and 'powerhungry'. Game version Sabrina, not sure. PokeSpec, Sith, obviously. Anime? I wouldn't call her consciously evil there...
And Will is, at least in the manga, a clear Sith.
Zammy will so celebrate this, hearing it from me. >.<;;;;;;

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 1:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4644272)
One of us is a mind-reader...0=) (And yay, I beat someone. lol)

Is that such a seldom event to you...? oò

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You haven't read the fanfics yet, you haven't read the fanfics yet...
Which fancic do you mean exactly? There are so many... x_X And by the way, you still have some to send me...

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...still, the Pokeshipping fans are the majority and though I really hate Pokeshipping and I would love to exclaim that, I'm a bit worried about the consequences...
In fact, I don't care about who of them gets Ash (IF that happens anyway...), as long as they don't give away Sabrina.

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...why not? I mean, it's been too long since I last watched Star Wars, but the thing distinguishing the Jedi and the Sith was that the Jedi were, well, 'good' and the Sith 'evil' and 'powerhungry'. Game version Sabrina, not sure. PokeSpec, Sith, obviously. Anime? I wouldn't call her consciously evil there...
And Will is, at least in the manga, a clear Sith.
Zammy will so celebrate this, hearing it from me. >.<;;;;;;
Ok, in the games she's not evil, my mistake.
And, falling back on the "evil and powerhungry"-aspect, Sabrina's a Sith in the PokeSpec without a doubt, yes... ^^ I always liked the Sith best (disappointing that the Jedi always win against them. -.-) in any game, book or movie of Star Wars. And they have the better music. ^^ Think that's reflected in the fact that I'm an Absol, too, in some ways.


I don't know if somebody has mentioned it already, but did you notice that Pokespec Sabrina probably has a crush on Giovanni? x_X

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
Is that such a seldom event to you...? oò

XDI'm more used to the diplomatic way-
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
Which fancic do you mean exactly? There are so many... x_X

I don't want to *read* these fics, so I don't have the links. But I know they exist.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
And by the way, you still have some to send me...

... http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3897024/1/Grasping_the_Moon <-- Grasping the Moon
http://members.iinet.net.au/~aceywacey/pokemon.htm <-- Pokemon Master
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
In fact, I don't care about who of them gets Ash (IF that happens anyway...), as long as they don't give away Sabrina.

...0=) Maybe they *will*.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
Think that's reflected in the fact that I'm an Absol, too, in some ways.

...so what is reflected by the fact that I am a psychic Absol? ...
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4645733)
I don't know if somebody has mentioned it already, but did you notice that Pokespec Sabrina probably has a crush on Giovanni? x_X

Well, if somebody hasn't mentioned it, I surely have mentioned it somewhere (though I'm fairly sure innuendo came up with that...). Eh, so what? 0=) I like it. We do have talked about the possibility of Sabrina being Silver's mother, haven't we? XD

Anyway, I promised CPF a review. ^.~
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Did these people truly believe that the color of the pearl determined their fate?
Well, people have relied on much more stupid things in the past...
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“So, it’s Will, Karen, Silver, Jasmine, Joe and myself who are the chosen ones,”
Well, I knew before that Sabrina would not be one of them, but aren't we missing the great champion?...though, how high are the chances that she is actually chosen? >>
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if the pearl turns to black, the one holding it must have a heart made of pure evil!”
QUICK!!! LET CYNTHIA TRY!!! *hides fast*
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“How?” Will protested. “It doesn’t have a compass!”

Roxanne simply glared at Will. “You’re a fool,” she said.
Well, that's something Sabrina could have told you before. *giggles*
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“How am I a fool?” Will asked Sabrina. “That was a reasonable question.”

“Just shut up and go ahead with your journey,” Sabrina replied.
Ehm...have to agree with Sabrina. Just shut up. lol
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Apparently Sabrina was either mad at him for being chosen, or jealous for not being chosen,
Which is, basically, the same. *lol*
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He wanted to chuckle about it, but he figured this was no time for humor.
Or else he would have his head bitten off by his angry wife. XD!
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We have a giant Pidgeotto that is capable of fitting all eight of us aboard,” Roxanne explained. “It is a marvel of nature, something I’m sure was brought to me not by coincidence but by the will of Arceus.
...*mumbles something and shakes head*
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You may want to say goodbye to your loved ones, Will.
First of all, do the others not have any loved ones they may say goodbye to? XD Secondly, since when is Liza one of his loved ones? Rather the one who keeps on teasing him
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I’m basically that girl’s mother already!”
*kicks Liza* *hard*
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Sabrina could not help but notice that he walked right over to Karen and stood beside her.
Coincidence Not.
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a vacationing spot known as Shamouti Island.
Hm...
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She put her hands on her chest, feeling the very ample portion of her body. Only Lorelei could claim a bigger chest area than her, and she was only 20, still growing.
*blinks and shakes head*
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She had led him into her cult
*Cult* is the right word. >.<

Crazy Packers Fan May 16th, 2009 9:25 AM

So you like the "cult" Roxanne has created? I've got a lot of possibilities for this, which could be really sweet. Unfortunately they have neither to do with Sabrina nor Cynthia, but rather the characters that used to be important until I started centering my fic on the Cynthia-Sabrina one-sided rivalry. Speaking of which, we'll go back to that rivalry in Chapters 32 and 33, one of which I can put up today.

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 9:55 AM

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So you like the "cult" Roxanne has created?

Ehm...no? >>;;;
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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4646556)
I've got a lot of possibilities for this, which could be really sweet.

You mind if I follow the development of this cult and use it in The Golden Prince? Have no idea how I will include it yet, but it seems to be an interesting twist...
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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4646556)
Unfortunately they have neither to do with Sabrina nor Cynthia, but rather the characters that used to be important until I started centering my fic on the Cynthia-Sabrina one-sided rivalry.

Nah, me not cares, after all, it is not only a Sabrina& Cynthia fic, and I, too, have to involve some other characters in my later fic. =3

Crazy Packers Fan May 16th, 2009 9:59 AM

Well, the "cult" may or may not exist after this story, depending on how things go... you can certainly use it, as long as there are still believers in Arceus after what happens later...

And of course now that I think of it I'm not going that far away from the Cynthia-Sabrina families since Will has been brought into the "cult."

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 10:13 AM

*shrugs* If it does still exist, might as well use it. If not, I can revive it with certain characters as the *new* founders (I do have an idea about it, and oh, the twists, the twists! XD).

Yeah, poor Will, not on his own free will (...*sweatdrops*) and certainly not on the will of his wife. lol

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 10:35 AM

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...so what is reflected by the fact that I am a psychic Absol? ...
That you're both Jedi AND Sith?

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We do have talked about the possibility of Sabrina being Silver's mother, haven't we? XD
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... No. NO! NEVER!!!
(And not only because she's too young to have a son already so old without turning Giovanni into a pervert...)

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 11:25 AM

Hm...being both doesn't even sound so bad...
Well, Silver was 11 in GSC, wasn't he? And Sabrina did look to be around 25-28, so, she wouldn't be *that* young...just a bit younger than usual...but you're right, I'm not really believing it either.
Review time. And due to PC's inconsistence, I'll post the whole review here.
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Her gunshot went right into thin air, failing to touch anything. Lucian had disappeared.
...why did I knew that you wouldn't dare to kill Lucian?
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“He must have impeccable timing,” J remarked. “That’s just not possible!”

“Unfortunate, isn’t it?” Cynthia commented.
... oh, yes, really unfortunate.
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My powers as a psychic are far beyond what you can ever imagine,” Cynthia stated.
*coughs*
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“I give up...” J replied.
...she gives up that easily.
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“I would be honored to work for you, Queen Cynthia,” she said.
...why did I know before that it has something to do with Sabrina?
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Why did those two have to go together?
Because they were both chosen? lol
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Miss Saffron,” J answered.

“That would be Mrs. Saffron,”
As a non-native speaker, I never get the difference, but I suppose it has something to do with being married. Though, this leads to the question as to why J doesn't know that Sabrina is married...
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paused for a moment, thinking about her possibilities. “Get as much of it as you can and bring it to me,” she replied.
Lol, nothing new there.
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Sabrina wanted to escape, but she found that she could not teleport. Again, she was helpless.
What a surprise. D'oh.
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Cynthia smiled. “So, you accept the fact that I am now the queen of the Pokémon world?” she asked.

Sabrina did not respond.
I guess she did before, but now she doesn't anymore. Hm.
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“You took from me something I could never replace, and for that, you shall pay.”
...man, she has some problems. >>
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I am a fair queen,
In your dreams.
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There is nothing from me I have left to give.”

“Your life,” Cynthia stated.
Even Sabrina's life won't bring Cynthia's parents back.
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“Okay, Sabrina, I forgive you,” Cynthia stated.

Sabrina breathed a sigh of relief.

“But my sister does not!” Cynthia then screamed.
I hate you...
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“Then just kill me,” Sabrina said. “If you’ll only spare Will and my daughter, I will choose to die right now.”
Well, Sabrina is certainly stronger-minded than Cynthia...
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“I can’t bring them back from the dead!” Sabrina cried.

“Then you shall be tortured,” Cynthia replied. “Every day, for one hour.”
...I really hate you. And your Cynthia. Who is insane. But that is nothing new.
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“Thank you, Lucian,” Sabrina replied.
Hm...
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“Your reward is making the queen happy,” she replied.

“What?” J questioned. “You mean I don’t get anything for what I did for you?”
You should have expected that. Never trust Cynthia. Never.
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Lucian thought about his response carefully. “Whatever makes the queen happy,” he responded.

“Oh, that’s exactly what I thought you’d say,” Cynthia said.
...smart boy.
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The logistics of this were unclear to him;
and to the readers as well.
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At this point, he figured, no one would be stupid enough not to bow.
Or else, there will be no need for a new world, as the few people that are left can start a new world anyway.
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But she’s lost her luster, she’s lost her strength, she’s no longer the woman she once was.
Thanks to CPF, she has.
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“And that person is-”
...Cynthia? lol

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4646809)
Hm...being both doesn't even sound so bad...

Then you have to do as much good to the galaxy as you do evil... My, my... I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

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Well, Silver was 11 in GSC, wasn't he? And Sabrina did look to be around 25-28, so, she wouldn't be *that* young...just a bit younger than usual...but you're right, I'm not really believing it either.
In your interpretation she would be pregnant with 14 (worst case) or at least 17 (still very bad, at least when it's about Sabrina... ). That definitely IS very young, and I think Giovanni and her didn't know each other a long time before she joined Team Rocket on its founding day. And that was only a short time before Red started his journey, I guess.
Besides, she was the might-hungry leader of a criminal organisation, so she definitely wouldn't want a child in such a situation. xD

(Hm, I personally think she's only about 20-22 in GSC. óò (Or should I say, "hope"?)

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4646892)
Then you have to do as much good to the galaxy as you do evil... My, my... I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

...good thing? 0=) Oh, who cares if it's a good thing. I would certainly have my fun. ;-)
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In your interpretation she would be pregnant with 14 (worst case) or at least 17 (still very bad, at least when it's about Sabrina... ). That definitely IS very young, and I think Giovanni and her didn't know each other a long time before she joined Team Rocket on its founding day. And that was only a short time before Red started his journey, I guess.

Like I said, I don't believe in it either, but the fact stays, we don't have one clue about Silver's mother and the only woman shown to have interest in Gio is Sabrina. Really, I don't believe in it, either, but...
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Besides, she was the might-hungry leader of a criminal organisation, so she definitely wouldn't want a child in such a situation. xD

Who says that she had a chance to decide?
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(Hm, I personally think she's only about 20-22 in GSC. óò (Or should I say, "hope"?)

Meh, I have problems judging her age in the mange. She looked awefully young during the Red/Blue/Green series, about 15/16, and didn't seem to have matured at all during Yellow, and then, suddenly, in GSC, she looked about 25,wtf? Oo

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 12:29 PM

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...good thing? 0=) Oh, who cares if it's a good thing. I would certainly have my fun. ;-)

Then you truly ARE a Sith.

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Like I said, I don't believe in it either, but the fact stays, we don't have one clue about Silver's mother and the only woman shown to have interest in Gio is Sabrina. Really, I don't believe in it, either, but...
Probably his mother just died during the birth. If not, Giovanni would care more about her, I guess.

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Who says that she had a chance to decide?
She might worship him, but is mentally strong enough to decide by herself, and protection surely exist even in the Pokeworld. And I doubt Giovanni wanted a child in his position as Team Rocket's leader. And, and... Well, it just doesn't fit in the timeline in m opinion.

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Meh, I have problems judging her age in the mange. She looked awefully young during the Red/Blue/Green series, about 15/16, and didn't seem to have matured at all during Yellow, and then, suddenly, in GSC, she looked about 25,wtf? Oo
Well... I see your point. but that only supports my point that she is only about 20 in GSC, and probably 17-19 in RB (18-20 in Y then)... So the difference isn't that big.

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 12:50 PM

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Then you truly ARE a Sith.

...what, Jedi are not allowed to have fun?!
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Probably his mother just died during the birth. If not, Giovanni would care more about her, I guess.

But wouldn't that be a bit, eh, clichéd to have Silver be a half-orphan? And I can see Giovanni, in his state back then, not caring much about the mother. After all, he didn't seem to look that much after Silver if Mask of Ice managed to kidnap him...
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She might worship him, but is mentally strong enough to decide by herself, and protection surely exist even in the Pokeworld.

Dark Pokemon blocking her mind (they DID exist back then, Silver's sneasel)? Giovanni being simply stronger than her? She being completely obedient to her boss?
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And I doubt Giovanni wanted a child in his position as Team Rocket's leader.

Oo You seriously doubt he wanted an heir?!
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Well... I see your point. but that only supports my point that she is only about 20 in GSC, and probably 17-19 in RB (18-20 in Y then)... So the difference isn't that big.

...hm, okay, it could work. But 17 in RB would even be a tad bit too old in my taste, I would rather see her as 16, even more as just 15...she just looks quite young there. Oo

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 1:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4647035)
...what, Jedi are not allowed to have fun?!

Right, because it's selfish. And you said that you wouldn't care if you do good or evil things, and THAt is surely a Sith-way of thinking.

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But wouldn't that be a bit, eh, clichéd to have Silver be a half-orphan? And I can see Giovanni, in his state back then, not caring much about the mother. After all, he didn't seem to look that much after Silver if Mask of Ice managed to kidnap him...
Well, till FRLG he was a "full" orphan. But anyway, Giovanni seems to have so low interest on Sabrina that maybe just she have a crush on him, not responded by him.

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Dark Pokemon blocking her mind (they DID exist back then, Silver's sneasel)? Giovanni being simply stronger than her? She being completely obedient to her boss?
The first point is abundant implausible. In the second point, she truly would lost her love for him, and in the last point, she would be really weak-minded, which doesn't fit her. =_= She probabaly had kill herself after he sent her and Surge back to their gyms instead of keeping them by his side.

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Oo You seriously doubt he wanted an heir?!
To make sure an heir will rule your empire like you want him to do, you have to influence him from birth till you die. So you really should procreate him AFTER you conquered your empire, and Giovanni was still on his campaign.

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...hm, okay, it could work. But 17 in RB would even be a tad bit too old in my taste, I would rather see her as 16, even more as just 15...she just looks quite young there. Oo
Well, I agree she looks young, but probably her psychic powers just blocked her hormons...

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4647137)
Right, because it's selfish. And you said that you wouldn't care if you do good or evil things, and THAt is surely a Sith-way of thinking.

...;.; But I wanna do good things, too. And I said who cares if it's a good thing to do both good and evil things. That's not the same. ^.^
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The first point is abundant implausible.

I don't see why it is. Dark Pokemon are not affected by psychic powers, so they must block them somehow. And Giovanni is obviously in the posession of dark Pokemon, otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to give his son a sneasel.
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In the second point, she truly would lost her love for him, and in the last point, she would be really weak-minded, which doesn't fit her. =_= She probabaly had kill herself after he sent her and Surge back to their gyms instead of keeping them by his side.

Meh, maybe Giovanni doesn't care about her love. And well, she IS a member of team rocket, and she gave away her whole city for Giovanni, how is that not obedient? Unlike Koga, who disappeared, she stayed loyal and searched for him on that island after Lugia's appearance (forgot the name of the island XD)
Obviously, she did not kill herself. >>;;;
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4647137)
To make sure an heir will rule your empire like you want him to do, you have to influence him from birth till you die. So you really should procreate him AFTER you conquered your empire, and Giovanni was still on his campaign.

...hm, maybe, but this is only speculation, maybe Giovanni thought that he would not be able to bring TR to its true might, so his son should do it for him? He did want Silver to join TR in FR/LG, but I'm afraid I cannot say more about this matter, I haven't read these volumes of the manga. XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4647137)
Well, I agree she looks young, but probably her psychic powers just blocked her hormons...

LOL This is most interesting thing I have heard in a while..of course, both manga AND anime Sabrina would be interested in using that effect of her powers...quite interesting. No hormons--> no love Really something she would be interested in, at least as long as she wanted to be emotionless.

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 2:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4647179)
...;.; But I wanna do good things, too. And I said who cares if it's a good thing to do both good and evil things. That's not the same. ^.^

I understood you wrong.

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I don't see why it is. Dark Pokemon are not affected by psychic powers, so they must block them somehow. And Giovanni is obviously in the posession of dark Pokemon, otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to give his son a sneasel.
From what I understand, he got Sneasel from Mask of Ice, not from his father. oO And Electric doesn't affect Ground, but Ground doesen't block Electric's Power, so that doesn't count as an argument I guess.

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Meh, maybe Giovanni doesn't care about her love. And well, she IS a member of team rocket, and she gave away her whole city for Giovanni, how is that not obedient? Unlike Koga, who disappeared, she stayed loyal and searched for him on that island after Lugia's appearance (forgot the name of the island XD)
Er, I think to sacrifice her City isn't so hard to her. If you're evil, you don't have to do such things out of love, but because it goes along with your own plans. (At least, I would do so...) (Koga stayed away cause of the shame that he needed the help of kids to win against the Elite Four.) And after Giovanni went away, neither her nor Surge searched for him anyway.
But even when she loved him, being abused should break that because she truly have her proud. <<

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...hm, maybe, but this is only speculation, maybe Giovanni thought that he would not be able to bring TR to its true might, so his son should do it for him? He did want Silver to join TR in FR/LG, but I'm afraid I cannot say more about this matter, I haven't read these volumes of the manga. XD
No no, he was so close to his victory when he was stopped by Red that I doubt that. And besides, self-confidence wasn't his problem either. Wanting his son to join was just natural but not because he awaited him for taking over the organisation.

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LOL This is most interesting thing I have heard in a while..of course, both manga AND anime Sabrina would be interested in using that effect of her powers...quite interesting. No hormons--> no love Really something she would be interested in, at least as long as she wanted to be emotionless.
This time you misunderstood me... ^^ I thought of that her powers block her hormons, so her body wasn't able to reach puberty. In GSC, while she stayed at the hotspring, she didn't train nor battle, so she could grown up physically, which made that huge difference between her look in BRY and GSC.
(weird... I know...)

Psychic*Absol May 16th, 2009 2:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4647269)
From what I understand, he got Sneasel from Mask of Ice, not from his father.

I'm fairly sure he had Sneasel before he went to Mask of Ice. After all, it was one the picture with him and his father.
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And Electric doesn't affect Ground, but Ground doesen't block Electric's Power, so that doesn't count as an argument I guess.

Ah, but electric and ground are, in comparison, rather physical elements instead of psychic and dark. Psychic powers can manipulate people and matter (as shown in the manga by Blue and her problems with birds), and well, imo, that's different from the way electric and ground react to each other. There has to be a reason why psychic powers do no work on dark pokemon, and I think dark powers either block psychic powers or psychic powers just don't work on dark pokemon. Either way, Giovanni could shield himself with a dark pokemon. And remember, he has Viridian's powers, who knows what else he can do...
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Er, I think to sacrifice her City isn't so hard to her. If you're evil, you don't have to do such things out of love, but because it goes along with your own plans.

I never said she would do that out of love (I think I did XD), I meant that she would do that because she is weak-minded, giving up the city she controls and letting TR control it completely. On the other hand, you're right, if you're evil, you do these things because they go along with your plans.
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(Koga stayed away cause of the shame that he needed the help of kids to win against the Elite Four.)

Isn't that Giovanni's assumption? We don't really know why Koga went away, we don't know his own motivations.
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And after Giovanni went away, neither her nor Surge searched for him anyway.

Hm, okay, thaqt is true.
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But even when she loved him, being abused should break that because she truly have her proud. <<

It should, yes, but consider that the current actions happen ten years later. Long time to forgive, ne?
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No no, he was so close to his victory when he was stopped by Red that I doubt that.

Yes, when he was stopped by Red. We're talking about the time when Silver was conceived, which was at least 8-9 years before Red's victory. Back then, Giovanni could have had doubts that he would be able to bring TR to glory, so, he got a son...
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And besides, self-confidence wasn't his problem either. Wanting his son to join was just natural but not because he awaited him for taking over the organisation.

I always thought that once Silver become a member, it would be obvious that he would be trained to be the next leader. Oo Becoming a member just being the first step on the ladder, so to say.
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This time you misunderstood me... ^^ I thought of that her powers block her hormons, so her body wasn't able to reach puberty.

Oh, I got you quite right, but hormons control love, too. (Psychologist in me is speaking again, lol)
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In GSC, while she stayed at the hotspring, she didn't train nor battle, so she could grown up physically, which made that huge difference between her look in BRY and GSC.
(weird... I know...)

...yes, very weird. I had the imagine popping (...) up of her *suddenly* maturing in the middle of the spring scene and Red being present...
I should not be online at 1 am....

Wyyrlokk May 16th, 2009 3:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4647318)
I'm fairly sure he had Sneasel before he went to Mask of Ice. After all, it was one the picture with him and his father.

Point given to you. I don't read FRLG so far, so I couldn't say anything against this.

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Ah, but electric and ground are, in comparison, rather physical elements instead of psychic and dark. Psychic powers can manipulate people and matter (as shown in the manga by Blue and her problems with birds), and well, imo, that's different from the way electric and ground react to each other. There has to be a reason why psychic powers do no work on dark pokemon, and I think dark powers either block psychic powers or psychic powers just don't work on dark pokemon. Either way, Giovanni could shield himself with a dark pokemon. And remember, he has Viridian's powers, who knows what else he can do...
Hm... no, not really. It's more a natural ability of Dark Pokemon, I guess. So they can only block attacks and psycal powers targetting themselves. But there is no hint to that theme anyway, so we could fight about this for years without coming to a result... ^^

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I never said she would do that out of love (I think I did XD), I meant that she would do that because she is weak-minded, giving up the city she controls and letting TR control it completely. On the other hand, you're right, if you're evil, you do these things because they go along with your plans.
She was evil, and she was one of the leaders of TR, so letting the city take over bei TR doesn't means she's weak-minded. She controls the city anyway, further as a gym leader, afterwards as a TR executive. And I don't think the city meaned much to her - otherwise she surely would never had joined TR.

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Isn't that Giovanni's assumption? We don't really know why Koga went away, we don't know his own motivations.
Well, you don't read PokeSpec 14, right? ^^
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Hm, okay, thaqt is true.
Thanks. Finally a point to me.

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It should, yes, but consider that the current actions happen ten years later. Long time to forgive, ne?
No. I don't hear of any strong-minded victim to sexual abuse which ever forgives her torturer. And, as you already sayed, she was quite young in RBY, not much older than Blue (Green in our German version). And Blue and Silver where nearly at the same age when they were kidnapped. I just remember that by now. It definitely wouldn't fit in the timeline. And, last but not least, if I'm Giovanni, I would choose a woman which is old enough to take care of a child better than a 14/15-year-old girl without emotions (and no time because she has to build up a criminal empire by your side).

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Yes, when he was stopped by Red. We're talking about the time when Silver was conceived, which was at least 8-9 years before Red's victory. Back then, Giovanni could have had doubts that he would be able to bring TR to glory, so, he got a son...
*sigh* I think he founded TR a year ago before he was stopped by Red, or maybe two years, not earlier. Surge, Koga and Sabrina where members from the beginning (as you see in PokeSpec 14) and it would be too conspicious if three leaders disapper for such a long time, I guess. And 8-9 years before I don't think he would doubt his victory anyway. He doesn't seem to be that type of person. He even rebuilt TR after the Elite Four and Mask of Ice were stopped, right? That means he never give up, so why should he have doubts before even founded TR?

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I always thought that once Silver become a member, it would be obvious that he would be trained to be the next leader. Oo Becoming a member just being the first step on the ladder, so to say.
Trained by the Mask of Ice wasn't his plan. Anyway. The three gym leaders were executives (and his deputies) from the beginning, so why should he make his son to a lower-ranked henchman?
I think after recognizing Silver's his son, he wants him to join Tr, but in the days Silver was born he didn't think about Tr already, or at least didn't think about an heir.

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Oh, I got you quite right, but hormons control love, too. (Psychologist in me is speaking again, lol)
I know, but I thought you mean she actively opressed her hormons. I think it is just an adverse reaction. By the way, she liked Giovanni...

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...yes, very weird. I had the imagine popping (...) up of her *suddenly* maturing in the middle of the spring scene and Red being present...
I should not be online at 1 am....
She had a year to mature... Red arrived at the last day on the hotspring, and anyway, she was grown up menatl, of course, before that. It's just about her physical condition.
(After all, YOU started that theme about how strange it is she lookes so much older in GSC! xD)

And no, I guess you shouldn't... or maybe you should? It might be funny to see what you image next time... *g*


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