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Crazy Packers Fan May 16th, 2009 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4646809)
...why did I knew that you wouldn't dare to kill Lucian?

Cause I gave it away ahead of time. Too bad you've lately been making me give away that certain characters won't die.
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As a non-native speaker, I never get the difference, but I suppose it has something to do with being married. Though, this leads to the question as to why J doesn't know that Sabrina is married...
Yes, it has to do with marriage, although I think "Miss Saffron" sounds better. It gives a feeling of youth. J hasn't been around anyone for a while.
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I hate you...
Just what I thought.
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...Cynthia? lol
Wouldn't it be awesome if Will went after Cynthia and left Sabrina behind? It would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.

Oh, and two characters die next chapter, two who have been around since early in my first story. They're a couple. You'll be sad over their deaths... maybe devastated, I don't know. They aren't throwaway characters.

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 8:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4647427)
Cause I gave it away ahead of time. Too bad you've lately been making me give away that certain characters won't die.

...Well, you only told me that one character (Sabrina) would not die, you said nothing about Lucian. It were rather my instincts that told me he wouldn't die.
And no, now that I know that Sabrina is (relatively) safe, you don't need to tell me before that certain characters are not going to die. I want to be at least a bit surprised.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4647427)
Yes, it has to do with marriage, although I think "Miss Saffron" sounds better. It gives a feeling of youth. J hasn't been around anyone for a while.

I don't think the difference between Miss and Misses is that big, though...the first one sounds like a beauty queen's title! (oha, I've better not given CPF ideas for Cynthia with that >.<)
Will and Sabrina's marriage was kinda big enough to reach Sinnoh's news, too, I think. Besides, considering all the people J has worked with so far (Cyrus, Lucian, Cynthia) one of them is bound to have told her about Will and Sabrina.

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Originally Posted by Crazy Packers Fan (Post 4647427)
Just what I thought.

...no comment.

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Wouldn't it be awesome if Will went after Cynthia and left Sabrina behind? It would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.

No. The biggest scandal is Lance leaving Clair behind and having an affair with Cynthia. *THAT* is a scandal. Will is too small of a VIP to get such attention.

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Oh, and two characters die next chapter, two who have been around since early in my first story. They're a couple. You'll be sad over their deaths... maybe devastated, I don't know. They aren't throwaway characters.

...hm....Sabrina's parents? Ritchie and Daisy? Ash and Misty? I need to re-re-read the first part. >.<

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4649305)
No. The biggest scandal is Lance leaving Clair behind and having an affair with Cynthia. *THAT* is a scandal. Will is too small of a VIP to get such attention.

Is he? He's a member of the Elite Four, at least that's something like a minister I guess... That should make him a VIP who could be dangerously affekted by scandals... think of how often a politicians carrer ended up after a verbal or sexual scandal. xD

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 9:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
Is he? He's a member of the Elite Four, at least that's something like a minister I guess... That should make him a VIP who could be dangerously affekted by scandals... think of how often a politicians carrer ended up after a verbal or sexual scandal. xD

Well, we were talking about the *biggest* scandal, and comparing Will to Lance...I guess in the case of Will, Lance would get realyl mad at him and shout at him and threat him with kicking him out and everything. Lance, on the other hand, could probably do whatever he wants, yet the public eye still watches him and for having an affair with Cynthia, he would certainly get in trouble, too.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
Hm... no, not really. It's more a natural ability of Dark Pokemon, I guess. So they can only block attacks and psycal powers targetting themselves. But there is no hint to that theme anyway, so we could fight about this for years without coming to a result... ^^

...hm, I can see what you think, but I'm still not too sure. If it's a natural ability, why shouldn't they be able to use that ability to, let's say, save or guard their trainers? Other Pokemon do the same with their kind of ability, and dark Pokemon maybe block psychic powers to save their trainers.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
She was evil, and she was one of the leaders of TR, so letting the city take over bei TR doesn't means she's weak-minded. She controls the city anyway, further as a gym leader, afterwards as a TR executive. And I don't think the city meaned much to her - otherwise she surely would never had joined TR.

I don't think Sabrina had as much control over her city after she had given it to TR as she had before. I mean, both Koga and Surge where, in the final battle, there, and their roles were, if I had to judge, just as big as hers. If you didn't have any information from the games, and just judged the situation by the plot, you would think that Sabrina literally had no power over any city, because the other executives (and Giovanni himself! How could I forget him?) were in Saffron and fighting in Silph.
Though, it *is* debatable if the city really was such an important point for her.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
Well, you don't read PokeSpec 14, right? ^^

No, I don't own it. >> Sadly.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
And, as you already sayed, she was quite young in RBY, not much older than Blue (Green in our German version). And Blue and Silver where nearly at the same age when they were kidnapped. I just remember that by now. It definitely wouldn't fit in the timeline. And, last but not least, if I'm Giovanni, I would choose a woman which is old enough to take care of a child better than a 14/15-year-old girl without emotions (and no time because she has to build up a criminal empire by your side).

...I'm starting to wonder just why I am defending a theory so much that I don't even believe in myself. XD!
Well, Sabrina was certainly older than Blue (I myself think that Blue matured really fast, and Sabrina...well, the opposite. XD!). Blue was around starting trainer age (aka 10) and Sabrina had to be at 15. So...okay, I see, I see, the theory *is* stupid, but only as long as we don't know Sabrina's true age in the manga. For all we know, she could be the opposite of anime May, and look like 15, but be 25 in reality.
And, hey, Giovanni seems to have enough money to get a nanny. After all, look at Koga, there's no sign of a wife or mother for Janine, so he probably took care of her himself, and that didn't seem to be a problem for Giovanni.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
*sigh* I think he founded TR a year ago before he was stopped by Red, or maybe two years, not earlier. Surge, Koga and Sabrina where members from the beginning (as you see in PokeSpec 14) and it would be too conspicious if three leaders disapper for such a long time, I guess. And 8-9 years before I don't think he would doubt his victory anyway. He doesn't seem to be that type of person. He even rebuilt TR after the Elite Four and Mask of Ice were stopped, right? That means he never give up, so why should he have doubts before even founded TR?

Oo Uhm, why do you think that he found TR just a year before RB? I mean, they have a nearly half-complete Mewtwo in their backyard, you seriously think it took just one year to have the basics for cloning a Pokemon and fulfill said task? A year is not enough for that, imo.
Like I said, I didn't read volume 14, but I think I read that somewhere else, too.
Come on, Green, Red and Blue saw that Sabrina and Surge were members of TR, and in GSC, they're again gym leaders and competeting in the gym leader's tournament. If *that* is no problem, then being gone for a while certainly isn't, too. And isn't Surge some kind of sailor, often on the sea?
Before he rebuilt it, he was gone for a long time. And the ending of Yellow certainly didn't give the the wipes of Giovanni being the strong man he claims to be. >>
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
Trained by the Mask of Ice wasn't his plan. Anyway. The three gym leaders were executives (and his deputies) from the beginning, so why should he make his son to a lower-ranked henchman?
I think after recognizing Silver's his son, he wants him to join Tr, but in the days Silver was born he didn't think about Tr already, or at least didn't think about an heir.

First, I didn't mean training by the Mask of Ice. I meant that Silver was supposed to become a member of TR to be trained and then becoming the next leader. And well, the three gym leaders were gym leaders, so why not give them a higher ranking? Silver was just a mere trainer, he had no real position yet.
And still, we don't know when TR was founded, so he could have, or could have not thought about an heir back then.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
I know, but I thought you mean she actively opressed her hormons. I think it is just an adverse reaction. By the way, she liked Giovanni...

I don't think her *love* for Giovanni is that openly controlled by hormons, otherwise, she would react quite differently (A hormon-crazy Sabrina...ugh, horrible image x.x)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
She had a year to mature... Red arrived at the last day on the hotspring, and anyway, she was grown up menatl, of course, before that. It's just about her physical condition.
(After all, YOU started that theme about how strange it is she lookes so much older in GSC! xD)

I know you meant she had a year to mature, that funny picture was not meant to be serious (XD Not at all!). Yet, to go through, let's see, 10 years of maturing in the span of one year is still...ehm, weird to imagine. XD! (Can't we just blame it on the artist? lol) ...I know I started the topic, but I didn't know before that it would end up with such crazy theories. XD!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649375)
And no, I guess you shouldn't... or maybe you should? It might be funny to see what you image next time... *g*

It has to be 1 am for me to think of crazy stuff. Remind me never to continue my story at this time. x.x I don't want to scare the readers.

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4649442)
Well, we were talking about the *biggest* scandal, and comparing Will to Lance...I guess in the case of Will, Lance would get realyl mad at him and shout at him and threat him with kicking him out and everything. Lance, on the other hand, could probably do whatever he wants, yet the public eye still watches him and for having an affair with Cynthia, he would certainly get in trouble, too.

Dependig on the fact that his relationship to Clair is well-known... does he sell his own stories to the yellow press as well? oO

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...hm, I can see what you think, but I'm still not too sure. If it's a natural ability, why shouldn't they be able to use that ability to, let's say, save or guard their trainers? Other Pokemon do the same with their kind of ability, and dark Pokemon maybe block psychic powers to save their trainers.
Because, you as a person may have, lets say, a natural ability to resist poison. That would help you if you're become bitten by a snake, but you cannot use this ability to help somebody other. It's just that it is inside you, a part of your genes, but you cannot use it intentional. And Dark Pokemon must have some anti-psychic powers if they really could manage to use their powers beyond their own bodies to shield a trainer or repress a psychic's mind, which they obviously don't have... Dark Attacks are for fighting only, like Crunch and Bite, and hit physical. And the only attacks of Psychic type they can learn are Rest (which every Pokemon can learn) and, some of them, Calm Mind, which in my eyes only shows their strong mind and probably a will to fight, but not any psychic powers at all.



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...I'm starting to wonder just why I am defending a theory so much that I don't even believe in myself. XD! [...] (Can't we just blame it on the artist? lol) ...I know I started the topic, but I didn't know before that it would end up with such crazy theories. XD!
Let's stop that... After all nobody of us believes in it and it's going weird, I guess. ^^"
Let's agree on the point that she was a short-term affair to him (or he to her? xD), if any.


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It has to be 1 am for me to think of crazy stuff. Remind me never to continue my story at this time. x.x I don't want to scare the readers.
I'm not be scared that easy, and reading something funny usually please me. xD

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Dependig on the fact that his relationship to Clair is well-known... does he sell his own stories to the yellow press as well? oO

Well, in my fanfic, he certainly does. XD But that is only my interpretation, as I make Lance quite the publicity-hungry and money-hungry leader who goes over the corpses of his underlings to receive profit and stuff. ^^
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Because, you as a person may have, lets say, a natural ability to resist poison. That would help you if you're become bitten by a snake, but you cannot use this ability to help somebody other. It's just that it is inside you, a part of your genes, but you cannot use it intentional.

I don't think a certain resistance to poison is saved in your genes, otherwise, your children would have no problem withstanding poison. Oo (BTW, I still think psychics themselves also have no problems with poison. Just like the Pokemon. But again, my own interpretation. 0=)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
And Dark Pokemon must have some anti-psychic powers if they really could manage to use their powers beyond their own bodies to shield a trainer or repress a psychic's mind, which they obviously don't have...

But then, you know that psychic pokemon can use moves like barrier, and that attack can certainly guard a human as well. And like always, I see both psychic and dark as kinda mental abilities, though they are opposites.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Dark Attacks are for fighting only, like Crunch and Bite, and hit physical.

Again, I see dark as kinda mental, because why should they be weak against fighting, then?
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
Let's agree on the point that she was a short-term affair to him (or he to her? xD), if any.

XD Well, short-term affair needs both persons' will to happen, doesn't it? If one doesn't want, it doesn't count as a affair. And yes, I agree, affair is better. ^.~ And it explains stuff like her seeming to have a liking for Giovanni.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649497)
I'm not be scared that easy, and reading something funny usually please me. xD

XD I won't be online for long today. x.x

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4649668)
Well, in my fanfic, he certainly does. XD But that is only my interpretation, as I make Lance quite the publicity-hungry and money-hungry leader who goes over the corpses of his underlings to receive profit and stuff. ^^

Ok then, but going about your own corpse is something different than just to sell the secrets of your underlings... ^^"

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I don't think a certain resistance to poison is saved in your genes, otherwise, your children would have no problem withstanding poison. Oo (BTW, I still think psychics themselves also have no problems with poison. Just like the Pokemon. But again, my own interpretation. 0=)
It must be, because everything physical is saved there... probabaly some sort of mutation, which hardly is given to a child. (On the other hand, that sort of mutations lead to the genesis of new animals and plants in our world...) Don't let us talk about Psychics and their problems with poison, we would argue about that again, and it was a random example. Better would be: an African could withstand high temperatures better than an European, but he couldn't protect him from the sun.

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But then, you know that psychic pokemon can use moves like barrier, and that attack can certainly guard a human as well. And like always, I see both psychic and dark as kinda mental abilities, though they are opposites.
I don't think so. As Dark is another interpretation for "Evil", the opposite of Dark would be "Good" or "light". In my eyes Fighting is the opposite to Psychic. Remember, with the release of DP many attacks changed from physical to psychic and the other way. But all old fighting moves remained to be physical, and all Psychic moves remained psychical, so they are the very essence of physical and psychal powers, which made them to opposites in my eyes. Dark, or better Evil, may be connected with your mentality, but not with psychic powers you may have or not. Therefore, a Psychic Pokemon using reflect uses its own mental powers to affect reality, but a Dark Pokemon withstanding a Psychic attack just profits from its type-given genetic advantage without being able to use this very essence of itself to affect reality in a way a Psychic Pokemon or human could do.

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Again, I see dark as kinda mental, because why should they be weak against fighting, then?
Why resists Steel Psychic attacks, when every Psychic Pokemon can bend a spoon? Probably because Dark needed some weaknesses... You could ask why it's weak to Bug, too. Doesn't make sense either, I think.

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XD Well, short-term affair needs both persons' will to happen, doesn't it? If one doesn't want, it doesn't count as a affair. And yes, I agree, affair is better. ^.~ And it explains stuff like her seeming to have a liking for Giovanni.
So we could end this after a day of debatting. We truly would make good politicians. ^^

Psychic*Absol May 17th, 2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Ok then, but going about your own corpse is something different than just to sell the secrets of your underlings... ^^"

I didn't mean that literally. XD i just meant that Lance would nearly do anything for a good story, but of course not the death of one of his trainers, because that, one the other hand, would make up tons of stories, but no good ones.
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It must be, because everything physical is saved there... probabaly some sort of mutation, which hardly is given to a child.

Oo I still don't think that this is possible..I mean physical things would also be if you trained your body to be a super fantastic bodybuilder, but your kid won't look like mini-Schwarzenegger when born...
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Don't let us talk about Psychics and their problems with poison, we would argue about that again, and it was a random example.

...hey, I do like arguing. And there has to be some reason as to why psychic withstands poison.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Better would be: an African could withstand high temperatures better than an European, but he couldn't protect him from the sun.

I'm not sure if that has something to do with genes or simple the enviroment you grew up. And psychic and dark powers seem to be in the genes, or aren't they? (Okay, I'm kinda contradicting myself in my story, too, as Will is no born psychic, yet, there are no real theories about this...)
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I don't think so. As Dark is another interpretation for "Evil", the opposite of Dark would be "Good" or "light".

I disagree. Dark Pokemon are not evil. >> They are just as social as every other kind of Pokemon. They're just dark, but not evil.
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Dark, or better Evil, may be connected with your mentality, but not with psychic powers you may have or not.

But psychic powers= mentality, so why can't there be a connection?
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Therefore, a Psychic Pokemon using reflect uses its own mental powers to affect reality, but a Dark Pokemon withstanding a Psychic attack just profits from its type-given genetic advantage without being able to use this very essence of itself to affect reality in a way a Psychic Pokemon or human could do.

I stil don't see the point, I mean, psychic and dark powers are very similar, both are genetic-given, so why shouldn't dark Pokemon be able to do something out of their body, so to say? Sadly, I don't know many dark attacks, I just looked up bulbapedia, and well, okay, a lot of dark attacks are physical there. Still, just because they're physical doesn't mean that they can't extend over to other persons/pokemon. I have to defend one of my main points in my fic! XD
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
Why resists Steel Psychic attacks, when every Psychic Pokemon can bend a spoon? Probably because Dark needed some weaknesses... You could ask why it's weak to Bug, too. Doesn't make sense either, I think.

Well, steel, maybe because they're not made out of flesh like most living beings, and of cold metal, and so, influencing their minds is harder? *shrugs* No idea, and no idea about bug types, either. I can understand it, though, I hate spiders, too. *g*
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649771)
So we could end this after a day of debatting. We truly would make good politicians. ^^

XD Yeah, but our discussion about dark/psychic still has not finished.

Wyyrlokk May 17th, 2009 12:58 PM

You forgot about the point that in my eyes fighting is the opposite to psychic. Don't you have any arguments? ^^



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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4649856)
I didn't mean that literally.

I know. But honestly, making money with the secrets ans relatonships of his underlings in easy, but selling himself? Seems to be a bad idea.

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Oo I still don't think that this is possible..I mean physical things would also be if you trained your body to be a super fantastic bodybuilder, but your kid won't look like mini-Schwarzenegger when born...
I mean natural-given things.

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I'm not sure if that has something to do with genes or simple the enviroment you grew up. And psychic and dark powers seem to be in the genes, or aren't they? (Okay, I'm kinda contradicting myself in my story, too, as Will is no born psychic, yet, there are no real theories about this...)
Don't forget that the environment influences the genes. Foxes on North pole had warm, white coats and small ears, while Desert Foxes have brown, short hairs and that big ears. It's adaption. And besides, an african is born with a darker colour skin (that shouldn't be rascistic!), so his withstandness to the sunlight is genetic, because otherwise children of africans born in Europe would be of pale skin.

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I disagree. Dark Pokemon are not evil. >> They are just as social as every other kind of Pokemon. They're just dark, but not evil.
In my opinion, they are. Being social to others of your kind doesn't mean you couldn't be evil. And I doubt the power of night or darkness would give you the mental power to withstand psychic.


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But psychic powers= mentality, so why can't there be a connection?
Look, I meaned Evilness/Darkness is a question of morality. It was a wrong phrase by me.

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I stil don't see the point, I mean, psychic and dark powers are very similar, both are genetic-given, so why shouldn't dark Pokemon be able to do something out of their body, so to say? Sadly, I don't know many dark attacks, I just looked up bulbapedia, and well, okay, a lot of dark attacks are physical there. Still, just because they're physical doesn't mean that they can't extend over to other persons/pokemon. I have to defend one of my main points in my fic! XD
...I know, it's your fic and I don't want to destory it in any way. But I can't assign this time. Well, how should you protect somebody with a Crunch? Biting in the air? Or how could you use Bite to lift an objekt with your mind or teleport? It's no way.
It's just that dark Pokemon may have a strong mind and withstand Psychic, but that's all. I guess their mind is so strong that they could built up a barrage in their head to block anything Psychic, but to profite from that as a human, your mind must be connected with the Dark Pokemons mind - which is impossible of course because of its mental barrage! Or probably - just probably! - you could awake such a strong mind in yourself while training Dark Pokemon a long time, such as Will awakes his powers in your story. But that's the only agreement I can make, because I think my point is rationally more logical than yours.
(To come closer to your point - a last thinking. The way a Dark Pokemon attacks could use that power creating its mental barrage. Let's say, if Dark Pokemon are over-emotional, they use this emotion in their attacks (That's logical to me at least, because emotions could protect you from attacks on your attitude (I'm sure that's the wrong word)... Well, being an idealist helps you not to take strokes of fate as hard as others would. that may fit it best...). Cause a Psychics mind is that fragile and he hides emotions not to weak his powers, that may be the reason why this emotion-powered Dark attacks are so powerful against Psychic human and Pokemon. Do you accept this? =] )


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Well, steel, maybe because they're not made out of flesh like most living beings, and of cold metal, and so, influencing their minds is harder? *shrugs* No idea, and no idea about bug types, either. I can understand it, though, I hate spiders, too. *g*
Maybe. But I thought in the way that the Psychic Pokemon would attack its body mentally, not its mind. Just like a Sith could strangulate yourself with his mind's powers.

Alakazam17 May 18th, 2009 11:58 AM

So, I see you've joined us Wyyrlokk. Welcome to the club! :D

Yeah, I've been away for a week, but now I'm back! Wow...I just went through the PC WiFi Tournament and the Ultimate Monotype Challenge, and even the Sailor Moon Fan Guild, and I'm now caught up on everything that was said in each of them. But here....we sure do post a lot, eh? :P

Well, everyone knows what my plans are fic-wise, so I see no point in repeating myself, right? XD Just know that I'll have a lot of funky BlackVelvet moments, and best of all, NO WILL! ^______^

Wyyrlokk May 18th, 2009 8:59 PM

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So, I see you've joined us Wyyrlokk. Welcome to the club! :D

Thank you. Finding this club was one of my better moments last week.

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Well, everyone knows what my plans are fic-wise, so I see no point in repeating myself, right? XD Just know that I'll have a lot of funky BlackVelvet moments, and best of all, NO WILL! ^______^
Everything with Sabrina in it is great, and Sabrina without Will is even better. ^^

Alakazam17 May 19th, 2009 5:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4654219)
Everything with Sabrina in it is great, and Sabrina without Will is even better. ^^

!!!!!!!

Oh my god, that line just made my day, XD. We have another Anti-Psychic-Shipper in the house. foxyay! :D

Wyyrlokk May 19th, 2009 6:57 AM

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!!!!!!!

Oh my god, that line just made my day, XD. We have another Anti-Psychic-Shipper in the house. foxyay! :D

P*A foretold that you'll be happy about that... xD

(Oh, and I guess it drives her crazy. ^^)

Alakazam17 May 19th, 2009 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4655020)
P*A foretold that you'll be happy about that... xD

(Oh, and I guess it drives her crazy. ^^)

Haha, but of course it's a good crazy.

...right P*A? *hides*

Wyyrlokk May 20th, 2009 7:40 AM

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Haha, but of course it's a good crazy.

I wouldn't bet on that... xD

(But I'm questioning myself if, from Psychicshipper's point of view, a story without Will is worse than a story with Will as the villain?)

Psychic*Absol May 20th, 2009 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
You forgot about the point that in my eyes fighting is the opposite to psychic. Don't you have any arguments? ^^

Well, can't one lement have more than one opposite? XD And in my eyes, Psychic- Dark - Fighting is rather a triangle than two separate opposites. (Worded funnily, I know. >>;;;)
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I know. But honestly, making money with the secrets ans relatonships of his underlings in easy, but selling himself? Seems to be a bad idea.

Lance is certainly one of the more popular elite four trainers, if not the most popular, so why should he not seel himself? And the public doesn't have to know that he kinda sold himself, as long as they get the stories. What I mean is that Lance gets the paparazzi, they get their stories, but no one outside of the league has to know that Lance himself *sold himself*. (Reason why Sabrina knows about his policy, but some worker that reads the local yellow press paper doesn't. That, and she's psychic, of course she knows. XD!)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
I mean natural-given things.

Hoe is building muscles not as natural as withstanding poison? Oo
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
Don't forget that the environment influences the genes. Foxes on North pole had warm, white coats and small ears, while Desert Foxes have brown, short hairs and that big ears. It's adaption. And besides, an african is born with a darker colour skin (that shouldn't be rascistic!), so his withstandness to the sunlight is genetic, because otherwise children of africans born in Europe would be of pale skin.

I see your point, this is something that lies in the genes, but again, prove first that if you're good at withstanding poison, your child has no problems with that, too. Because I really don't believe that.
Oh, I forgot about enviroment influencing the genes...well, I can't realyl see what kind of enviroment would influence psychic or dark abilities. If you have an example, feel free to impress me with it. XD!
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
In my opinion, they are. Being social to others of your kind doesn't mean you couldn't be evil.

This is the case, but then, *every* Pokemon could be called evil, because all of them are kinda social to others of the ´kind, but not other species (There was a pair of Pokemon that hates each other, I cannot just remember the names...Jessie had the snake one... >.<)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4649969)
Look, I meaned Evilness/Darkness is a question of morality. It was a wrong phrase by me.

First, I always saw "Dark" as a representation of the night and the colour black and everything connected with that, not evilness (so I kinda welcome the German name for dark, it fits, imo). Because I can't just think of a whole species of Pokemon being damned to be evil, just because of their type's name. Oo
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Cause a Psychics mind is that fragile

*cough* You're quoting my fic...
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Do you accept this? =] )

To end this endless discussion, yes. XD Next endless topic please. XD!!!
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Maybe. But I thought in the way that the Psychic Pokemon would attack its body mentally, not its mind. Just like a Sith could strangulate yourself with his mind's powers.

..didn't you say that dark Pokemon equal Sith? And now a Sith strangulates you with your mind's power...hm....

No comment at your discussion with Zammy. >> I feel underpowered here. (And yes, for a psychicshipper, a story without Will is worse than one where he is the villain. Latter can still include hints. Can't it, Zammy? 0=) )

@Zammy: ...after talking about all of that BlackVelvetShippyness, I would be very happy if I FINALLY SAW THAT DAMN NEW CHAPTER WITH MY OWN EYES!!!!
Oh, and plz beta-read. A certain new reader is blackmailing me. 0=)

Wyyrlokk May 20th, 2009 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4658121)
Well, can't one lement have more than one opposite? XD And in my eyes, Psychic- Dark - Fighting is rather a triangle than two separate opposites. (Worded funnily, I know. >>

It's no triangle, because a triangle has to work in both directions.
See, Water-Fire-Grass is a triangle. Water is effective against Fire, and Fire is effectiv against Grass, and Grass is effective against Water. Going the other way around, Water isn't effective against Grass, as well as Grass isn't effective against Fire and Fire isn't effective against Water. So that's the concept of a triangle.
Let's look again. Psychic is effective against Fighting; Fighting is effective against Dark; Dark is effective against Psychic. And the other way around? Dark isn't effective against Fighting. Fighting isn't effective against Psychic. And Psychic - doesn't effect Dark!
That breaks the concept of the triangle and is the reason why Nintendo will never create a game with a Psychic, a Dark and a Fighting Pokemon as starters.
[I have to admit that this wasn't my awareness.]

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I cannot just remember the names...Jessie had the snake one... >.<)
It's Seviper and Zangoose. It bases on the fights between cobra and mongoose in nature.

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*cough* You're quoting my fic...
Isn't it in your interest that somebody keeps it that well in mind, and even use your version in discussions? xD

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To end this endless discussion, yes. XD Next endless topic please. XD!!!
After catfighting for days, I think we should end it here, yes. Of course we could discuss that for years. xD To avoid that, I'm not quoting the passages about that theme now. Another theme? I guess we would find one very fast. xD

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No comment at your discussion with Zammy. >> I feel underpowered here. (And yes, for a psychicshipper, a story without Will is worse than one where he is the villain. Latter can still include hints. )
What have we said a while ago? You get Psychicshipping, and I get Sabrina? ^^



[My eyes only: Hm, I should better be more cautious while blackmailing somebody... ]

Psychic*Absol May 21st, 2009 8:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4658961)
Let's look again. Psychic is effective against Fighting; Fighting is effective against Dark; Dark is effective against Psychic. And the other way around? Dark isn't effective against Fighting. Fighting isn't effective against Psychic. And Psychic - doesn't effect Dark!
That breaks the concept of the triangle and is the reason why Nintendo will never create a game with a Psychic, a Dark and a Fighting Pokemon as starters.

First, I was aware that Psychic does not effect dark (though, miracle eye, anyone? *g*), but still, it's closer to a triangle than many other elements. And for fanfic symbolic purposes, it fits. (Yes, I'm seeing this with the mind of a writer again, and not with the one of a logical thinking person).
Not to mention that there were rumours of a group of dark, psychic and fighting starters, but these ended up being fake (much to my dismay, these fake starters looked cuter than the real ones. >.<)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4658961)
It's Seviper and Zangoose. It bases on the fights between cobra and mongoose in nature.

Thanks for the names. I forgot them. >>
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Isn't it in your interest that somebody keeps it that well in mind, and even use your version in discussions? xD

XD Alas, my fanfic is copyright material, so no use without asking me first!
(I'm only kidding, of course I'm happy when someone memorizes my fic that well. Rarely happens. ^^ Though I *know* I use quotes from other fics frequently in mine...)
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4658961)
After catfighting for days, I think we should end it here, yes. Of course we could discuss that for years. xD To avoid that, I'm not quoting the passages about that theme now. Another theme? I guess we would find one very fast. xD

Oh, I wouldn't call it catfighting. This is what we have debating lessons for, no?
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What have we said a while ago? You get Psychicshipping, and I get Sabrina? ^^

;.; But Psychicshipping does not work without Sabrina!
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[My eyes only: Hm, I should better be more cautious while blackmailing somebody... ]

*raises eyebrow* Blackmailing? Hm...
*g*

Wyyrlokk May 22nd, 2009 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4660968)
First, I was aware that Psychic does not effect dark (though, miracle eye, anyone? *g*), but still, it's closer to a triangle than many other elements. And for fanfic symbolic purposes, it fits. (Yes, I'm seeing this with the mind of a writer again, and not with the one of a logical thinking person).
Not to mention that there were rumours of a group of dark, psychic and fighting starters, but these ended up being fake (much to my dismay, these fake starters looked cuter than the real ones. >.<)

The only possible starter triangles working in a rock-paper-scissors fashion (and the same with resistances in reverse) other than the traditional Fire/Water/Grass are Rock/Fighting/Flying, Fire/Rock/Steel and Grass/Poison/Ground.

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XD Alas, my fanfic is copyright material, so no use without asking me first!
(I'm only kidding, of course I'm happy when someone memorizes my fic that well. Rarely happens. ^^ Though I *know* I use quotes from other fics frequently in mine...)
If only use it to defeat you with your own weapons... xD

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Oh, I wouldn't call it catfighting. This is what we have debating lessons for, no?
...so it is catfighting. ^^" I think PE lessons helps a lot there, too. xD

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;.; But Psychicshipping does not work without Sabrina!
Just use your dreams. Psychicshipping is only an idea (as I define it, a nightmare...), so you could imagine it even if Sabrina is mine. (Of course, Psychicshipping is even more implausible then...)

Psychic*Absol May 22nd, 2009 8:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4663190)
The only possible starter triangles working in a rock-paper-scissors fashion (and the same with resistances in reverse) other than the traditional Fire/Water/Grass are Rock/Fighting/Flying, Fire/Rock/Steel and Grass/Poison/Ground.

...but these elements don't sound so fascinating as starting elements. ;.;
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If only use it to defeat you with your own weapons... xD

Ah, remember, each of my fanfics is a different universe in itself, so I can build up several different opinions in them with never showing what I truly think. 0=) Elements may be similair, but that may not be of any importance.
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...so it is catfighting. ^^" I think PE lessons helps a lot there, too. xD

...Oo Catfighting= debating? (Alas, I'm the only half-kitty here!!!) And PE...no, I fail at that. ;.;
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Just use your dreams. Psychicshipping is only an idea (as I define it, a nightmare...), so you could imagine it even if Sabrina is mine.

...hm, you mean I should imagine that Will steals Sabrina from you? Thanks, that's a really sweet dream. 0=)
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(Of course, Psychicshipping is even more implausible then...)

...maybe you *are* Will in another universe? XD (And heck, if we take it seriosly, almost every shipping is implausible in the Pokemon world. >> Do we even have ONE canon one? >>) Pikachu x Buneary, lol

Wyyrlokk May 22nd, 2009 12:58 PM

Post #100... ôO



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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4663424)
...but these elements don't sound so fascinating as starting elements. ;.;

True, but it's about the balance of the game...

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...Oo Catfighting= debating? (Alas, I'm the only half-kitty here!!!) And PE...no, I fail at that. ;.;
I guess catfighting is some sort of debating, after all. xD

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...hm, you mean I should imagine that Will steals Sabrina from you? Thanks, that's a really sweet dream. 0=)
Imaging all that havoc I create by putting the world in flames to get her back and kill that bastard would fit your definition of sweetness? o_O"


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...maybe you *are* Will in another universe? XD (And heck, if we take it seriosly, almost every shipping is implausible in the Pokemon world. >> Do we even have ONE canon one? >>) Pikachu x Buneary, lol
You want to make Zammy hate me?

Well, the makers don't want to take away the fun we have with speculations and dreams. ^^

Psychic*Absol May 22nd, 2009 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4663984)
Post #100... ôO

Congrats. ^^ I'm close to 2,000th and wish I already had 2,000 so I could beat Zammy easier.
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True, but it's about the balance of the game...

Screw the balance, coolness is more important! *hides* I see your point, but still...I wil always see psychic-dark-fighting as a triangle. >>
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I guess catfighting is some sort of debating, after all. xD

Debating between cats. 0=)
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Imaging all that havoc I create by putting the world in flames to get her back and kill that bastard would fit your definition of sweetness? o_O"

Yes, if Will dies trying to save Sabrina from you, then yes. 0=)
Seriously, what would you do if Sabrina fell in love with another men (not necessarily Will) and not you? Kill him? Oo
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You want to make Zammy hate me?

No, maybe he would startliking Will then? 0=)
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Well, the makers don't want to take away the fun we have with speculations and dreams. ^^

...yeah, they surely didn't take away any dreams with the whole Brandon-Paul deal. >>
And I guess a lot of Poke-, Advance-, Ikari- and other -shippers would disagree with you and *love* to see more shippings scenes.
I would almost be happy enough if they just showed that Will is even alive and existing in the Pokemon Anime world. ;.; Poor guy gets ignored all the time.

Wyyrlokk May 24th, 2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4664051)
Yes, if Will dies trying to save Sabrina from you, then yes. 0=)

Well, we are at the point that he have to steal her from me, in fact that's kidnapping. =_=

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Seriously, what would you do if Sabrina fell in love with another men (not necessarily Will) and not you? Kill him? Oo
If she is in relationship with me and he (whoever he is) breaks it up to get her... then yes, maybe. Otherwise, I may have to accept it. ;_;

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No, maybe he would startliking Will then? 0=)
Probably he should answer that by himself... but personally I don't think so. There would be still a Will between him and Sabrina.

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...yeah, they surely didn't take away any dreams with the whole Brandon-Paul deal. >>
Don't know what you're meaning... ^^"

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And I guess a lot of Poke-, Advance-, Ikari- and other -shippers would disagree with you and *love* to see more shippings scenes.
Surely, but in fact 2/3 of the Ash+...-shippers would be unlucky, so there's no chance for them.

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I would almost be happy enough if they just showed that Will is even alive and existing in the Pokemon Anime world. ;.; Poor guy gets ignored all the time.
That's because you are his only fan

Psychic*Absol May 24th, 2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4671039)
Well, we are at the point that he have to steal her from me, in fact that's kidnapping. =_=

Only as long as Sabrina doesn't want to be 'kidnapped'...0=)
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If she is in relationship with me and he (whoever he is) breaks it up to get her... then yes, maybe.

...on the one hand, I like how you would kill for her (I probably would, too), on the other, it means that we Sabrina fans could be potentially dangerous for ourselves. XD!
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Otherwise, I may have to accept it. ;_;

^^ Ah, see, that's the attitude we like and want. XD!!!
j/k
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4671039)
Probably he should answer that by himself...

For that, he first needs to come online. >> *pokes Zammy*
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Originally Posted by Wyyrlokk (Post 4671039)
but personally I don't think so. There would be still a Will between him and Sabrina.

*lol* Isn't it funny that, either way, Zammy still has a guy between him and Sabrina?
And we are not even talking about the girls yet...
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Don't know what you're meaning... ^^"

Ah, there was a big discussion in all sorts of forums that maybe, maybe, Brandon is Paul's father because of various hints, but alas, the anime disappointed us. >>
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Surely, but in fact 2/3 of the Ash+...-shippers would be unlucky, so there's no chance for them.

Hm, I see, you're right. If they please one kind of shippers, the others will be left unhappy. I guess if they want to please the majority, they should go for Pokeshipping, but then, they would surely loose me as a watcher. x.x (Though, if they decided to throw in a special with Sabrina...or Will...or both...ahem...)
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That's because you are his only fan

Not his only! His only active fan in this club anymore! XD But there ARE more, I know. We even had a Will FC here once.

Wyyrlokk May 24th, 2009 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Psychic*Absol (Post 4671095)
Only as long as Sabrina doesn't want to be 'kidnapped'...0=)

You think she would cheat on her partner? -.- *angry mode to defend her honour*

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...on the one hand, I like how you would kill for her (I probably would, too), on the other, it means that we Sabrina fans could be potentially dangerous for ourselves. XD!
That might be a way for her to decimate the number of possible partners... the strongest will survive. xD

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^^ Ah, see, that's the attitude we like and want. XD!!!
Want to say that you wouldn't accept her choice? In that case, I don't have to simulate morality... *evil grin*

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*lol* Isn't it funny that, either way, Zammy still has a guy between him and Sabrina?
Which leads us back to the fact that we still would kill ourselves for her... I think the manga Sabrina would be amused. Or even delighted.

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(Though, if they decided to throw in a special with Sabrina...or Will...or both...ahem...)
...it wouldn't be a red-letter-day for Zammy and me. Only if there is only Sabrina. Best without anyone else.

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Not his only! His only active fan in this club anymore! XD But there ARE more, I know. We even had a Will FC here once.
So all his fans in that club probably died a horrible and mysterious death... Zammy? Do you know anything about that? *g*


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